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	<title>Comments on: FINAL NUMBERS FROM THE 50TH</title>
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		<title>By: Ready For Change</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-45042</link>
		<dc:creator>Ready For Change</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-45042</guid>
		<description>LIEle,
Jeanette never could've CHANGED her stance if she never made a firm one to begin with...no one really knew what her stance was for a while, so therefore it couldn't have possibly been changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LIEle,<br />
Jeanette never could&#8217;ve CHANGED her stance if she never made a firm one to begin with&#8230;no one really knew what her stance was for a while, so therefore it couldn&#8217;t have possibly been changed.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyle</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44708</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 05:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44708</guid>
		<description>RFC,

Jackson Miller was elected last year on the immigration issue among others - an issue that didn't really mature into a make or break election issue until this year.  What that means is that Miller was in touch enough with his electorate that he didn't HAVE to change positions and ape his opponent in a vain attempt to get on the voters' side.  That's what wins elections, not the lame accusations that passed for Rishell's attack campaign.  Actually Rishell's came off more like your's above (Jackson Miller responsible for all the growth in Manassas?!?)  No wonder you thought she had a chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RFC,</p>
<p>Jackson Miller was elected last year on the immigration issue among others - an issue that didn&#8217;t really mature into a make or break election issue until this year.  What that means is that Miller was in touch enough with his electorate that he didn&#8217;t HAVE to change positions and ape his opponent in a vain attempt to get on the voters&#8217; side.  That&#8217;s what wins elections, not the lame accusations that passed for Rishell&#8217;s attack campaign.  Actually Rishell&#8217;s came off more like your&#8217;s above (Jackson Miller responsible for all the growth in Manassas?!?)  No wonder you thought she had a chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Ready For Change</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44634</link>
		<dc:creator>Ready For Change</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44634</guid>
		<description>Honestly, both candidates were poor options for this area, but the obvious and definite lesser of the two evils was Jeanette and you all will see that when Miller builds up this town so much that we have 1 tree left and the 2 hour traffic you sit in the whole way to work for the next two years, you can thank on account of Miller...happy tailgating! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, both candidates were poor options for this area, but the obvious and definite lesser of the two evils was Jeanette and you all will see that when Miller builds up this town so much that we have 1 tree left and the 2 hour traffic you sit in the whole way to work for the next two years, you can thank on account of Miller&#8230;happy tailgating! <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44578</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44578</guid>
		<description>James Young said, "...But Rishell presents herself well; it’s just when she opens her mouth and expresses her moonbat views that she gets into trouble."

Wow, now that's the absolute BEST example of "a pot calling the kettle black" that I've EVER seen....:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Young said, &#8220;&#8230;But Rishell presents herself well; it’s just when she opens her mouth and expresses her moonbat views that she gets into trouble.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, now that&#8217;s the absolute BEST example of &#8220;a pot calling the kettle black&#8221; that I&#8217;ve EVER seen&#8230;.:)</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44532</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44532</guid>
		<description>Well, Nancy, she is attractive, for a woman of her years.

And RFC, that's must be some good stuff you're on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Nancy, she is attractive, for a woman of her years.</p>
<p>And RFC, that&#8217;s must be some good stuff you&#8217;re on.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44523</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44523</guid>
		<description>Jeanette couldn't make a stronger stance on immigration because she SUPPORTS the illegal aliens.  She could have been honest and said as much, but then she would have gotten totally demolished by Miller, more than she was.  She's no good as a leader and thank God Jackson won.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeanette couldn&#8217;t make a stronger stance on immigration because she SUPPORTS the illegal aliens.  She could have been honest and said as much, but then she would have gotten totally demolished by Miller, more than she was.  She&#8217;s no good as a leader and thank God Jackson won.</p>
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		<title>By: Ready For Change</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44502</link>
		<dc:creator>Ready For Change</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44502</guid>
		<description>Jeanette would have surely won if it was not for this stupid immigration issue that had quickly risen to the top at the last minute...that is the ONLY reason Jackson Miller won (emphasis on the "ONLY" in case you couldn't tell)..if Jeanette had made a stronger stance on immigration in the beginning and got it out there to the voters, as I will commend Jackson Miller for doing, the issue would've been wiped clear off the slate and much more important issues facing our area would've been the key issues, i.e. transportation.  Best wishes to him in the future still, and I can't wait to see the candidate slate in 2 years!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeanette would have surely won if it was not for this stupid immigration issue that had quickly risen to the top at the last minute&#8230;that is the ONLY reason Jackson Miller won (emphasis on the &#8220;ONLY&#8221; in case you couldn&#8217;t tell)..if Jeanette had made a stronger stance on immigration in the beginning and got it out there to the voters, as I will commend Jackson Miller for doing, the issue would&#8217;ve been wiped clear off the slate and much more important issues facing our area would&#8217;ve been the key issues, i.e. transportation.  Best wishes to him in the future still, and I can&#8217;t wait to see the candidate slate in 2 years!</p>
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		<title>By: Clean it up in '07</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44469</link>
		<dc:creator>Clean it up in '07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44469</guid>
		<description>meant....where it REALLY COUNTS (sorry...sent before proofing).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>meant&#8230;.where it REALLY COUNTS (sorry&#8230;sent before proofing).</p>
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		<title>By: Clean it up in '07</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44468</link>
		<dc:creator>Clean it up in '07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44468</guid>
		<description>Big Dog -- 

In the age of "targeting" the costs of campaigns are going up because more consultants and vendors have dug in so they must be handed a big piece of the pie.  They have become like big government programs in that while they spend loads more money overall, no significant additional dollars and not much more in terms of real services are making it out onto the ground in real grassroots activities real it REALLY COUNTS.

I just can't believe that the big donors have not yet figured out this giant scam perpetuated by all the political consultants and their wholly owned marketing companies that have a stranglehold all on this "no bid" business.  If this was any other type of business, people would be going to jail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Dog &#8212; </p>
<p>In the age of &#8220;targeting&#8221; the costs of campaigns are going up because more consultants and vendors have dug in so they must be handed a big piece of the pie.  They have become like big government programs in that while they spend loads more money overall, no significant additional dollars and not much more in terms of real services are making it out onto the ground in real grassroots activities real it REALLY COUNTS.</p>
<p>I just can&#8217;t believe that the big donors have not yet figured out this giant scam perpetuated by all the political consultants and their wholly owned marketing companies that have a stranglehold all on this &#8220;no bid&#8221; business.  If this was any other type of business, people would be going to jail.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44457</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44457</guid>
		<description>Rishell came out of the gate sideways on illegal
  immigration and overcrowding in her first campaign
  and never could correct that due to her base,
  campaign staff incompetence, and GOP "attention".
  Not sure, in both elections, that she ever fully realized how      
  key those issues are to the voters of the 50th.
  
  (400K!!!! combined expenses. Watch out, pretty soon we will
  be talking about real money to run for the HOD. And
  this is for a two year job paying less than 18K per year.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rishell came out of the gate sideways on illegal<br />
  immigration and overcrowding in her first campaign<br />
  and never could correct that due to her base,<br />
  campaign staff incompetence, and GOP &#8220;attention&#8221;.<br />
  Not sure, in both elections, that she ever fully realized how<br />
  key those issues are to the voters of the 50th.</p>
<p>  (400K!!!! combined expenses. Watch out, pretty soon we will<br />
  be talking about real money to run for the HOD. And<br />
  this is for a two year job paying less than 18K per year.)</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Pratt</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44446</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Pratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44446</guid>
		<description>I got a kick out of Jim Youngs statement  that Jeanette Richel presented herself well except when she opened her mouth to express her views.  How else do you present yourself? Sorry, I just found that funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got a kick out of Jim Youngs statement  that Jeanette Richel presented herself well except when she opened her mouth to express her views.  How else do you present yourself? Sorry, I just found that funny.</p>
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		<title>By: MOJO</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44436</link>
		<dc:creator>MOJO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44436</guid>
		<description>Its probably hard to find a candidate more suited for this district than Miller.  For the city part of the district he served on the City Council. His kids go to my daughters elementary school where his wife volunteers, and he goes to that huge church on wellington road behind the giant food.

In the county part of the district he is a policeman.  As a former LEO I can assure you that (other than maybe a mailman) a beat officer gets to know the community where he is working inside and out, better than anyone.

I have gotten to know him at kids pickup after school.  He comes off as a great guy.  He convinced me to vote for the first time in several years, and he turnrd me on to this blog.  He gets our households vote for years to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its probably hard to find a candidate more suited for this district than Miller.  For the city part of the district he served on the City Council. His kids go to my daughters elementary school where his wife volunteers, and he goes to that huge church on wellington road behind the giant food.</p>
<p>In the county part of the district he is a policeman.  As a former LEO I can assure you that (other than maybe a mailman) a beat officer gets to know the community where he is working inside and out, better than anyone.</p>
<p>I have gotten to know him at kids pickup after school.  He comes off as a great guy.  He convinced me to vote for the first time in several years, and he turnrd me on to this blog.  He gets our households vote for years to come.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44425</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44425</guid>
		<description>Take a look at the races the Democrats targeted in NOVA and other areas then compare finances with Rishell. She essentially got nothing. Rishell was NOT a targeted race.  Kaine and Warner were droping 20-50K or even more each to the competitive races. Webb was also giving much more to those who were expected to do better.  Do you want to see were the Warner, Kaine and the state caucus wasted money? Look no further than Tomer, Day, and Ferguson. Most do not consider these swing or democratic areas for these legislative candidates. Ferguson and Tomer were good candidates with a D beside their name in GOP districts and Bill Day was just plain crazy.  I actually heard several  dems saying they were sure Day was going to win. What a complete waste of resources in these three races. In two of these three races (Ferguson and Day)  the Dems completely outspent the Gop and they still lost by solid margins.  That was either very poor spending by Ward Armstrong and company or the Dems had more money than they knew what to do with. I think it was a combination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a look at the races the Democrats targeted in NOVA and other areas then compare finances with Rishell. She essentially got nothing. Rishell was NOT a targeted race.  Kaine and Warner were droping 20-50K or even more each to the competitive races. Webb was also giving much more to those who were expected to do better.  Do you want to see were the Warner, Kaine and the state caucus wasted money? Look no further than Tomer, Day, and Ferguson. Most do not consider these swing or democratic areas for these legislative candidates. Ferguson and Tomer were good candidates with a D beside their name in GOP districts and Bill Day was just plain crazy.  I actually heard several  dems saying they were sure Day was going to win. What a complete waste of resources in these three races. In two of these three races (Ferguson and Day)  the Dems completely outspent the Gop and they still lost by solid margins.  That was either very poor spending by Ward Armstrong and company or the Dems had more money than they knew what to do with. I think it was a combination.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44411</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44411</guid>
		<description>Some thoughts-
   
   - Before we examine the trees, we should step back
     and look at the forest -- a combined 400K spent on
     a campaign that includes the cities and a sliver of PWC?
     400K!  Wow. Manassas City Council seats have been
     recently won with less than 5K being spent. Triple that
     to cover the wider area and you are still looking at 
     15K.  Spending is getting out of hand for state contest.
     (When PACs etc. give a candidate big $$ - logic
     indicates they expect something in return and that
     may well not be in the interest of us average citizens.)
   - You noted Rishell's major donors -- How about Millers?
   - You are right, some of Jeanette's attack mailings did 
     cost her votes.  Anybody with a bit of common
     sense could have told her that - Miller's weak spot
     was support of the "abuser fees", not phantom 
     "pay increases".   
    -What was the cost per vote for each candidate?
    - Finally - 400k!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some thoughts-</p>
<p>   - Before we examine the trees, we should step back<br />
     and look at the forest &#8212; a combined 400K spent on<br />
     a campaign that includes the cities and a sliver of PWC?<br />
     400K!  Wow. Manassas City Council seats have been<br />
     recently won with less than 5K being spent. Triple that<br />
     to cover the wider area and you are still looking at<br />
     15K.  Spending is getting out of hand for state contest.<br />
     (When PACs etc. give a candidate big $$ - logic<br />
     indicates they expect something in return and that<br />
     may well not be in the interest of us average citizens.)<br />
   - You noted Rishell&#8217;s major donors &#8212; How about Millers?<br />
   - You are right, some of Jeanette&#8217;s attack mailings did<br />
     cost her votes.  Anybody with a bit of common<br />
     sense could have told her that - Miller&#8217;s weak spot<br />
     was support of the &#8220;abuser fees&#8221;, not phantom<br />
     &#8220;pay increases&#8221;.<br />
    -What was the cost per vote for each candidate?<br />
    - Finally - 400k!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: RHarrison</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44407</link>
		<dc:creator>RHarrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44407</guid>
		<description>James,

I understand why the democrats gave Rishell money in August, but by October it was clear Jackson had a solid lead, mostly because people were mad at Rishell.  What made the Democrats think another $1,000 could undue the damage caused by the last $1,000, let alone allow Rishell to pull ahead.

Early money I understand, but the late money shows a woeful understanding of the dynamics of this race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>I understand why the democrats gave Rishell money in August, but by October it was clear Jackson had a solid lead, mostly because people were mad at Rishell.  What made the Democrats think another $1,000 could undue the damage caused by the last $1,000, let alone allow Rishell to pull ahead.</p>
<p>Early money I understand, but the late money shows a woeful understanding of the dynamics of this race.</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44394</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/final-numbers-from-the-50th/#comment-44394</guid>
		<description>I don't know if I'd characterize Jackson as "a strong incumbent," given that he was only elected a year before to fill an unexpired term.  Certainly, he was the superior candidate in many ways: ideologically; temperamentally, etc.  But Rishell presents herself well; it's just when she opens her mouth and expresses her moonbat views that she gets into trouble.  But these numbers aren't unexpected, in light of Jackson's relative inexperience with only a year in office.

It's therefore not surprising that Dems would pour money into a seat against a one-year incumbent.  What is surprising is that they would do so in a district with the 50th's demographics and political history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;d characterize Jackson as &#8220;a strong incumbent,&#8221; given that he was only elected a year before to fill an unexpired term.  Certainly, he was the superior candidate in many ways: ideologically; temperamentally, etc.  But Rishell presents herself well; it&#8217;s just when she opens her mouth and expresses her moonbat views that she gets into trouble.  But these numbers aren&#8217;t unexpected, in light of Jackson&#8217;s relative inexperience with only a year in office.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s therefore not surprising that Dems would pour money into a seat against a one-year incumbent.  What is surprising is that they would do so in a district with the 50th&#8217;s demographics and political history.</p>
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