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My Day At The Circus
By Greg L | 14 December 2007 | Prince William County | 71 Comments
I had the pleasure, so to speak, of attending the hearings of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights that were held at the McCoart center today, and found them occasionally informative, frequently irrelevant, and largely outrageous. This tremendous waste of taxpayer resources, Hilda Barg’s parting gift to the taxpayers she has so frequently abused during her tenure, was a complete circus.
Despite some actually interesting testimony by our government officials, along with Michael Schwartz of the Prince William Health System, and a largely irrelevant demographic briefing by Jeff Passel of the Pew Hispanic Research Center, this was pretty much a waste of time. Linda Chavez’s clear bias repeatedly shone through during her comments and questions, and the inclusion of FAIR and IRLI demonstrated the real purpose behind this exercise. Prince William is only a convenient venue for her to engage in her ongoing war with the Federation for American Immigration Reform, also known as FAIR.
Really, why have FAIR at this at all? If the intent here really was, as Chavez stated, to determine what unlawful discrimination may result from the adoption of the rule of law resolution of July 10th, how would FAIR contribute to such a determination? FAIR had nothing to do with the resolution, they have no organizational presence in Prince William County, and have no understanding of the facts on the ground here at all. You might as well have invited the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps to testify at these hearings as well, as they were just as involved in these as FAIR was. If the intent here was as Chavez stated, inviting FAIR to participate is entirely inconsistent with this goal.
For some reason Chavez has a personal ax to grind with these folks, and it showed during the hearings. She and Dan Stein, the President of FAIR, went round and round at the end of these hearings in a useless debate of national immigration policy and what the actual position of FAIR was regarding the acceptable levels of immigration into this country, and not once asked him a question of relevance to Prince William County. After the meeting adjourned, Chavez cornered Corey Stewart to continue this debate, trying to tell him that FAIR could not be trusted and that Dan Stein is misrepresenting the policy of the organization that he leads, as if getting Corey Stewart to agree that FAIR is somehow wrong is an important personal goal for her. It was completely bizarre.
Which brings me to the ultimate acrobatic act of these hearings. Eric Byler, one of the filmmakers of the 9500Liberty videos which have regaled us over the past several months with his carefully edited content crafted into propaganda for the illegal alien lobby was asked to testify here. Notwithstanding his recent decision to move to Prince William County, since he has been “talking to both sides”, USCOCR supposedly felt he would be a good person to bring for a balanced view of the situation, or so goes the official explanation. When Byler spoke, instead of actually doing this, one of the first things out of his mouth was the blatant lie that Help Save Manassas was working on the behalf of FAIR. Now Byler knew this was not the case. The guy spent hours with me in my home and at public events, and I’ve walked him through the history of Help Save Manassas on several occasions. He’s been to HSM meetings, and not once has a representative from FAIR ever been there. After I confronted him after the hearings about giving testimony, he was all quick to acknowledge that this wasn’t the case, but never explained why he decided it was the right thing to do to say things he knew weren’t true, and this specific lie in particular, at a hearing chaired by someone who has a personal ax to grind against FAIR. What a heck of a coincidence, isn’t it?
I wonder if this sort of smear job was what he did when working for the Jim Webb campaign in 2006, because this smells awfully familiar. Anyone who could have ever been under the impression that Eric Byler and the 9500Liberty crew were honest about their intentions, his clear interest in telling deliberate lies (he also claimed that HSM “dominates” citizen’s time at BOCS meetings) should put that to rest once and for all. This guy is a hack for the illegal alien lobby, and will stoop to telling deliberate falsehoods in order to advance that agenda, when convenient. His “documentary” is going to be one heck of a piece of work, I’m certain.
Prince William was just a convenient venue for the continuation of a personal battle between Linda Chavez and Dan Stein, where there was at least one gullible lackey that could be drawn into that battle, and a host of characters from county government provided an interesting sideshow to what was happening in the center ring. All of which was presented courtesy of your taxpayer dollars, and at the behest of an outgoing supervisor who voted for a policy and then invited the Commission on Civil Rights to come throw rocks at the policy she wouldn’t publicly oppose.
Send in the clowns here folks, because that seems to be about the only thing missing. Maybe that’s what was going on out in front of the McCoart Building with Mexicans Without Borders and their sign claiming that the latino community wasn’t allowed to participate.
I guess they hadn’t figured out that this wasn’t going to be Prince William County’s circus.
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Greg: What did Mike Schwartz from PWH have to say, please?
Wasn’t IRLI created by the board of FAIR? Didn’t IRLI assist in the drafting of the “Rule of Law” resolution?
So let me get this straight, the fund-raising, advocacy, and lobbying arm of FAIR helps draft the resolution, but you don’t think it’s right have FAIR part of this?
Chavez probably has an ax to grind with FAIR because FAIR’s founder (John Tanton) is a white supremacist with times to other hate groups.
I listened. I wish it had been televised. Interesting that independently, Greg and I came away pretty much agreeing on the content. Also interesting that the illegals and the anti-illegals both felt disenfranchised from this hearing. Why have a hearing if none of the involved parties are not even included. (other than 2 supervisors)
Greg, who was the demographics dude at the beginning of the meeting? I felt his data was informative.
I would like a printed transcript of the hearing. What is the likelihood of this being possible?
Whatever the genesis of IRLI, it is irrelevant. IRLI was suggested as an organization that could bring considerable expertise in constitutional law and help ensure that whatever was proposed would be legally sound. They didn’t pick the issue, or the way the issue would be addressed, all they did was provide legal advice on how to get it done.
Having been in the trenches during this whole effort, I can tell you that FAIR was never involved in it. Whether IRLI spoke with FAIR, I haven’t any idea. I doubt they had much reason to do so on this initiative, but I never was part of any discussions where FAIR participated.
Eric Byler spent over two hours in my house interviewing me about HSM, how it was formed, and what it does, plus multiple hours in other venues. He’s been to a number of membership meetings, and seen us in action at meetings of the PWC BOCS. He knows we’re not FAIR’s local affiliate, and for him to say otherwise when he knows it is not the case was a blatant and deliberate lie.
You are absolutely correct Anonymous, IRLI did assist. Listen Greg, anyone can clearly see you are just a little puppet of FAIR. Maybe you are just angry that you were not asked to speak, after all , this little baby was yours wasn’t it? Without HSM, how would we fight this invasion? I feel sorry for you Greg.
“FAIR and its ties to white supremacy are examined in the latest issue of the SPLC’s quarterly Intelligence Report.
The SPLC today added FAIR to its list of hate groups operating in the United States.
“FAIR’s position on immigration is rooted more in its anti-Latino and anti-Catholic beliefs than in policy concerns,” said Mark Potok, the director of the SPLC’s project that monitors hate group activity. “Remarkably, it has still managed to infiltrate the mainstream and shape the immigration debate in this country.”
FAIR helped defeat federal immigration reform earlier this year and has played a key role in fueling the fierce, anti-immigrant backlash in the United States. It was founded in 1979 by John Tanton, a man who has compared immigrants to bacteria and warned that high birthrates will allow Latinos to take over America. Still a member of FAIR’s board, Tanton also operates The Social Contract Press, listed as a hate group for many years by the SPLC because of its anti-Latino and white supremacist writings.
“The sad fact is that attempts to reform our immigration system are being sabotaged by organizations fueled by hate,” Henry Fernandez, a senior fellow and expert on immigration at the Center for American Progress, told the Intelligence Report.
The SPLC has documented a 40 percent increase in the number of hate groups since 2000, an increase that SPLC analysts attribute to the anti-immigrant fervor that is sweeping the country. The FBI recently released statistics showing a 35 percent rise in hate crimes against Latinos since 2003. A sampling of some of the most egregious acts of violence against Latinos over the past three years is included in the new issue of the SPLC’s Intelligence Report.”
How in the heck am “I” supposed to be a puppet of an organization whose leadership I only had a chance to meet this very day? This is about the goofiest load of horse hockey that I have ever heard.
I suppose you’re just a lackey of the Communist Party, USA, besides simply being an intolerant bigot.
thinker, I read through the website of FAIR. I didn’t see anything that the SPLC says. Where is their proof? Just because someone does something outside of a group is their personal business. If it affects the group, with proper proof, I will see things differently. As usual the liberals are ready to follow the liberal media to the ends of the earth. I want proof that FAIR is doing this with hate. I see apologists getting upset that progress is being made to remove ILLEGAL aliens from the US. Unfortunately they will try to smear any group that does not see things their way. I am in hopes that the country doesn’t get to the state of affairs that it will be at if we do nothing to make sure the borders are secure and we stop this invasion!!
thinker, I challenge you to come up with another source for this accusation. Once you do, I will give it more consideration, until then, I do not see Greg as a whiner in this, I see the apologists as whiners. If they do not have problems with the ILLEGALS, let them take care of them. My tax dollars need to be spent for other things.
I am grateful that so many people are coming together to fight illegal immigration. There is no excuse to allow 10’s of million of illegal aliens (criminals…every single one of them) to walk freely on US soil. Thank you all for your efforts and Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays.
independent thinker=Chavez? It’s similar to the rant with Dan Stein
today.
Starryflights,
AMEN.
Can it be possible that Tanton has changed his view on things since 1979? I have the same feelings about the birthrates.
Wow thinker, you just keep rolling in it. Where is the proof? I am having a hard time taking anything you say seriously.
Starryflights,
AMEN.
Indepent Thinker is probably Eric Byler. What a liar he turned out to be.
I think we should all call Hilda Barg and ask her why she wasted our tax dollars on this event.
The resolution came from the citizens of Westgate and Sudley. We are united.
The Washington Post had an article back in the beginning of July that stated,
“In drafting the resolution, Stirrup worked with the Washington-based Immigration Reform Law Institute, the law firm of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which advocates tougher immigration laws.”
Also, at a Help Save Fairfax meeting they very readily agreed that they were partnered with FAIR.
The interesting thing I would like noted is how this organization - FAIR has created about a dozen different named organizations. In doing so, it gives the appearance as if this anti-immigrant sentiment is much more wide spread. The following is a list of their ‘organizations’: (Note: the asterisks are for groups that have been designated ‘Hate Groups’ by the Southern Poverty Law Center.
*American Immigration Control Foundation
*American Patrol/Voice of Citizens Together
California Coalition for Immigration Reform
Californians for Population Stabilization
Center for Immigration Studies
*Federation for American Immigration Reform
NumbersUSA
Population-Environment Balance
Pro English
ProjectUSA
*The Social Contract Press
U.S. English
U.S. Inc.
I see the SPLC state that FAIR has a history of hate, is this because one person may have a history or does the ENTIRE group have this history. I need more proof before I can actually subscribe to this pigeonholing of the ENTIRE group as haters and bigots.
Here’s some pix from outside of the McCoart Bldg. this morning.
http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/2124492080102412507kFhvwZ
http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/2277854420102412507JfkJuu
http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/2003922980102412507ozslCj
http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/2384330670102412507HtrHere’s the link that takes you to all the pix I’ve posted there.
Enjoy!
Medic, Neo Nazis also has lots of affiliates. The premise that one person does not represent their groups idealogy has no basis. If I belong to a Neo Nazi group I thus subscribe to their beliefs. I have seen on this site, people refer to children as parasites, blame immigrants for MRSA, and single handedly bring down our housing market. These broad generalizations are what I find most troubling. Clearly, there are issues that need to be addressed, but Greg Latiques HSM is not the vehicle in which to do that. BTW, I am not Eric nor am I a communist.
Thank you, Starryflights. You do the same.
Btw, my CFC contributions go to FAIR. How’s that make you feel, In Depends Stinker?
Neo Nazis also “have” not “has”
Advocator, you are clearly juvenile and reinforce my point about this blog, thank you
Someone help me get this straight. The Civil Rights Commission rides into VA in support of illegals, but the pictures Lafayette posted show Latinos with a sign saying the commission excludes them in favor of their “racist” friends - what am I missing?
Ahhhh…. so now we have the independent County of Westgate and Sudley.
Oh brother….broaden yourself a bit; do yourself a huge favor.
MdMan,
No Latinos were asked to speak I am guessing.
independent thinker: By that rationale then I assume you are in favor of labeling mexicans without borders and la raza hate groups as well? That term makes me laugh. It has taken on a new meaning these days to be any group that works against what some retard liberal thinks should be. The words racist and hate group are so overused that they have all but lost their meaning. Since I am the minority in my city then I plan on crying racism any time the law forces me to do something that I don’t want to do. Don’t you see how RIDONKULOUS that is? You liberals make me laugh. Me laugh hard, me tummy hurt.
Aren’t there any Westager’s or Sudleyites that are going to respond to the Declaration of Independence of Westgate/Sudley?
Does this mean we can create a separate tax district and you pay for this?
The rest of us have supported this - at least until now, when I find out I have been kicked out of the club due to geographics.
MdMan : …”what am I missing?”
Nothing. It was an exercise in futility brought about by folks that have no business coming here other than tooting their own horn(s).
But the media will like it!
One Voice,
No secession here in Sudley, thank you very much. ho ho ho. Please don’t send ME a bill. I had nothing to do with any Resolution other than reading about it in the paper. PW seems to have enough budget problems without us western end folks seceding.
“independent thinker=Chavez? It’s similar to the rant with Dan Stein today.”
It would seem that NOTFAIR has it right…IT denied being Byler but not Chavez. It would make sense that she is a regular visitor here, particularly since the announcement of her little “investigatory” trip to our county.
Madam, as you seem to be watching, your blatant and obvious bias makes your presence a total farce, and you an obvious tool.
AWC,
Right again. I see.
AWCheney, are you off your meds again? Haldol need to be taken at regular intervals. I am not Linda Chavez, just a resident of northern virginia my entire life. If someone had accused me of being Linda Chavez I would have refuted that also. Maybe you might have some more cogent thoughts after your meds kick in
“and you an obvious tool.”
and not the sharpest tool in the American owned shed!(sarcasm button now off)
Ah, now I see your post NOTFAIR. So let me refute, I am not Linda Chavez.
Ah, now I see your post NOTFAIR. So let me refute, I am not Linda Chavez.
nor “independent”
nor “thinker”
You’re losing ground.
IT, someone did…as I quoted. My remark was addressed directly to Ms. Chavez, based upon the reports of her activities today, and I stand by it. If you are indeed not Ms. Chavez, I suggest that you are, in all probability, close to her. By all means, give her the message.
When people who wish nothing more than the protection of their government guaranteed them under the Constitution of the United States, and the enforcement of existing laws; who wish to be safe in their homes and, most importantly, be assured that their children are safe even when they step out of their homes in an area which has never seen the level of crime which we have seen here in the last decade (particularly the last few years); and who witness the downward spiral of the quality of life enjoyed in our area for generations disappearing before our eyes are accused of being, or in league with, “Neo-Nazis” and “White Supremacists,” the individual making that accusation is either not American or has a vested interest in stirring the pot. Take your spoon, and your own bigoted comments, elsewhere if you please.
Apparently you can dish it out but have difficulty taking it AWCheney. Calling children parasites in NOT an American attribute, blaming immigrants for MRSA is NOT an American attribute, and claiming that one sect of people, i.e. immigrants for the housing slump is NOT an American attribute. I guess the Southern Poverty Law Center must also be closely tied to Linda Chavez as they too support what I am saying about the mutation of a civil discussion about immigration to the degragded level to which FAIR and HSM have taken this debate. Wow, this one woman sure has alot of power, is that why you seem so scared of the truth. The crime rate is down in Prince William County or didn’t you know that? So where is the emperical data that proves your point? So far as I can tell, people in this county were riding high on the real estate boom as proven by your increased equity if you have been in your home for more than two years. Interesting how the devil is seen in the illegal immigration community around the same time as the housing bubble burst.
eslalay, what is your point exactly? That I don’t read every single persons comment, that maybe I missed NOTFAIR and that proves I am somehow unable to think for myself. Your point isn’t even logical. So, I missed one comment, are you serious? You are correct, my life is much to full to spend my time reading each and every single hate filled paranoid comment on this blog.
And for that, I am truly thankful.
“The crime rate is down in Prince William County or didn’t you know that?”
Relative to which decade, LT? Since you obviously do not live in PWC, perhaps you should research the previous decade (which I mentioned) relative to at least one decade prior. The invasion which we are experiencing at this moment did NOT happen overnight. There is also the matter of the TYPE of crimes. I have never seen, nor heard of, as many crimes against children as we have been witnessing in recent year…and I’ve lived here, in PWC, for 44 of them (and another 10 prior in Alexandria).
Correction: “in recent yearS”
The crime rate is really insignificant since it is based on the number of crimes per the population. As long as the population keeps going up your going to have a lowering crime rate. You need to look at raw numbers. Also the crime rate only deals with crimes that are reported to the FBI for the bean counters. If it is a crime that the bean counters dont care about, it is still a crime to the victim.
The real estate boom went bust. Assessments are down, sales have gone to snails pace and that is going to impact the money the city and county get for budget. The boom went bang.
As far as the Southern Party Law Center….they are first cousins to the ACLU. Go to thier web page…they are a far left organziation. They have a good record for addressing civil rights violations, but are out to lunch on the immigration and other social issues.
Anonymous– You are correct. The Southern Poverty Law Center are corrupt race hustlers. They make millions and have a massive facility thanks to their race-baiting. They are parasites.
Morris Dees and the SPLC were “outed” years ago for being shameless racketeers and scavengers. And not just by the “radical right”, but by leftists and former employees! Every circus has it’s hucksters, and Dees has been selling sh*t as sugar for a long time.
http://www.texasls.org/reading_room/hate/splc/dees_money_machine.shtmlhttp://www.americanpatrol.com/SPLC/ChurchofMorrisDees001100.html
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1809
http://www.criminalgovernment.com/docs/rel/dees.html
http://www.theamericanresistance.com/articles/art2005sep27d.html
http://www.jbs.org/node/1290
http://www.texasls.org/reading_room/hate/splc/dees_money_machine.shtml
http://www.americanpatrol.com/SPLC/ChurchofMorrisDees001100.html
Mr. Dees truly understands that we have a culture with a strong sense of justice that abhors racism. It sounds like he uses the sickness of the few to take advantage of the huge kindness of the many.
The pro illegals close their minds to any comment against illegals and dismiss it as racism and xenophobia. Rule of law folks see that those accusations don’t have merit. The word has lost its power.
Pro illegals would do more good for the illegals if they would be honest and tell them, “It’s about legality. Act dignified and you will be treated with dignity.”
Chavez, county officials spar
http://www.manassasjm.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=MJM%2FMGArticle%2FWPN_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173353873186&path=!news
If Westgate and Sudley goes can they take Patty and Layfette with them?
Since I know neither Patty nor Lafayette personally, I can only
guess from having read the comments on this blog for quite
some time, neither will be leaving…they are actively using
their energy to take back their neighborhoods and I say:
God Bless and keep up the good work!”
Linda Chavez attempted to use the illegal alien conundrum to immediately bear-bait our supervisors. She kept asking for empirical data, knowing full well that such evidence is almost impossible to quantify because of the restrictions placed on determining immigration status by the federal government.
Her continual attempts to define what our ‘guest supervisors’ were saying as anecdotal evidence clearly showed her bias and her goal to belittle Prince William County and our county leaders.
Her immediate leap into the Catch-22 method of investigation made me lose any hope that this visit was for legitimate fact-finding purposes. The visit was simple political grandstanding at best and threatening at worst.
Gone Fishing,
Thank you. I’m not going anywhere! I don’t know why others don’t want to improve quality of life for the entire county.
Anonymous said on 15 Dec 2007 at 9:16 am:
If Westgate and Sudley goes can they take Patty and Layfette with them?
Those were Patty’s comments NOT mine. I look beyond my front door. NEVER, have I said the resolution came from WestGate/Sudley. I know the resolution came from the Honorable John Stirrup.
Hey why be anon?
Here’s a blurb from the Post.
Citizens’ input seems to be marginalized,” said Donna Widawski of Haymarket, who supports the county’s crackdown. “What I saw was a predetermined agenda that would favor those who support illegal immigrants.”
IT, I have not seen anyone claim or blame the LEGAL immigrants for the housing issues or not to have services. I have, however, seen people blame the ILLEGAL aliens for this. To me and I would suppose others here, there IS a difference.
______________________________________________________
I have seen ILLEGALS called parasites and other names, but I have yet to see it on this blog. Please show comments, IN THEIR ENTIRETY, which state such.
Anonymous said on 15 Dec 2007 at 9:16 am:
If Westgate and Sudley goes can they take Patty and Layfette with them?
Hey, Anon-
Separate those two, will you!!!!! Lafayette has worked tirelessly for months improving her neighborhood. She has methodically collected information, photos and persisantly presented this information to board members and county employees. Cut her a break. This is happening in her front, back and side yards -she is entitied to get a bit emotional about this. I know I would.
So few people actually get involved becuase there is no cash reward, please don’t trash the few that do. Since you are Anon maybe she is helping improve YOUR neighborhood.
As for the other, I have no comment except what I’ve seen has not been nice.
One Voice,
Thank you.
Anon,
I have seen some houses in the Brenstville district that blew me away the first time I saw them. I helped a concerned citizen, and took it to the BOS, and told Wally he really needed to take a drive through there. From what understand things have improved there too. I’ve done the same in the Woodbridge district for some concerned natives of the county, and that’s improved too.
BTW, IT the housing issues I speak of are the overcrowding and zoning violation ones, not the housing market.
Lafayette(Mistletoe for Dec.),
I am sure anon will get over it, before you get UNDER it
lol
Lafayette,
Any time you stick your neck out, as you have, there will always be some rat bastard who wants to chop it off, for whatever reason. As long as you know you are doing what needs to be done, the rat bastards should become irrelevant.
In my former life, I always knew I was doing a good job when someone called me a bitch. Wear those nasty-grams as a red badge of courage. Collect them with pride. It means you are disturbing someone’s comfort level and it probably needed disturbing.
Interestingly enough IT disappears after the links to the REAL Dees are posted. Interesting information. As I said before, I wanted more info before I lumped all of them together. Glad I got it……Thank you!!
Anonymous said on 15 Dec 2007 at 9:16 am:
If Westgate and Sudley goes [sic] can they take Patty and Layfette [sic] with them?
Anonymous - you have no right to disparage people you do not know (Patty and Lafayette). I personally know both Patty and Lafayette and PWC needs more people like them. They take action where action is needed - whether it is contacting the police about crimes - or contacting zoning about overcrowding, health code violations, refuse piles, etc…
The condition and safety of our neighborhood has drastically improved because of these ladies taking action.
Lafayette truly inspires me with her dedication to our community, our county, and our country.
Dolph, Lafayette,
Maybe the “rat bastard” misses the rats that were running to hood.
Again, this Anonymous crap. I do not take anyone that uses Anonymous as their handle seriously and give their comments no weight. Use a handle of some kind, come out of the shadows so you can be identified. My real email address is used when they ask for an email address here. It includes my name and my business, not some free email service.
/\/\3|)iç 64 said on 15 Dec 2007 at 10:40 am:
Use a handle of some kind, come out of the shadows so you can be identified. My real email address is used when they ask for an email address here. It includes my name and my business, not some free email service.
I use my real name and email address too. Anyone, is more than welcome to ask Greg L for my contact info. Sounds like the same could be said for you.
Anons(ALL),
Use a handle or even put a number or character after anon. It’s very hard to keep you cowards straight. I put the heat on an anon one night, and they became “Vigilant1″. I have the utmost respect for them to do that. The rest of you should do the same. Also, I’ve posted under my real name, and have even said it when some thought they were being kind by not saying my real name. Also, I think most know what “Lafayette” means too. Do you? I came right back and gave it. In fact I will put name here now. Are you willing to do the same?
I bet NOT!
Chris Pannell
IGNORE BUTTON**ACTIVATED**
BTW-This is not a popularity contest.
Dolph,
I’ve always worn those badges with honor and view them as compliments.
redawn said on 15 Dec 2007 at 10:21 am:
Dolph, Lafayette,
Maybe the “rat bastard” misses the rats that were running to hood.
Maybe, this was one of their long lost friends. I’m glad they aren’t around anymore. They took work from Zoning, Public Works, PWCSA, Health Dept., and yes even VDOT. Yet, I’m the “bad guy”. Yeah right.
http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/2009984830102412507aHQKVO
One Voice and Anon,
My neighbor and I went to John Stirrup’s office last January with the problems we’ve experienced in our neighborhood. We’ve called our local, state and U.S. representatives. Supervisor Stirrup listened to the constituents and presented a resolution that dealt with the problems we are facing in our neighborhood and in this county. This resolution wasn’t concocted in the back room of Stirrup’s office. It came about because concerned citizens took action. That is what representative government is all about. If you take offense at that, then you have a problem. I do credit the citizens of Westgate and Sudley for taking action to bring these problems to our representatives. There are a bunch of unsung heroes in my neighborhood and my next door neighbor is one of them.
Forgot this guy.
http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/2359179980102412507EzHtcf
Cliff Brown, I have nothing to hide behind. I use Medic because I was a Paramedic/Fire Fighter and a Hospital Corpsman in the US Navy. I am a service connected disabled vet (60%) and I feel strongly about ILLEGAL aliens.
A couple of points:
1) Linda Chavez wanting empirical evidence as to the illegal immigration problem is beyond the scope of her comission. What does that have to do with civil rights? If the new policies somehow infringe the civil rights of PW residents, then that is another story. Of course, I’m sure Chavez has no empirical evidence of such infringment. What a joke she is.
2) All this debate about whether HSM or FAIR of some other organization drafted the resolution is pointless. Due the input of the county staff and many individual members of the BOCS, the final version of the resolution that was passed by the BOCS is significantly different from what was originally proposed by Mr. Stirrup anyway. Thus, even if the original version was drafted by some other group, the final version was drafted by the members of the BOCS and the county staff.
Check this out. One man has packed his family up and are moving back to Mexico. If in fact that’s where they flee to.
Feliz Navidad!
Video here.
http://cfc.news8.net/videoondemand.cfm?id=5905&ref=home
Lafayette,
I found it interesting that the man returning to Mexico had his belongings on the roof of his car. Seriously now, if you were returning to your homeland, where is the moving van, where is the trailer of household possessions? I expect that segment of the news clip was staged.
Linda Chavez has already released her report. We heard it on the video. So much for unbiased fact-finding. Too bad you can’t take her on one of your famous ‘field trips.’ Just don’t take her past Yogi Bear and the Santa Maria. Those are home-grown. Grin!
Thank you Dolph for yor take on Chavez.
Discredit and blame the victims. Punish the innocent and allow the guilty to continue acting with impunity.
Chavez doesn’t like it when the (taxed) slaves forget their place and get uppity.
Dolph,
Staged, no doubt. We must remember they could’ve been sharing their house with other “family” members.
I would be more than happy to take Ms. Chavez on a “field trip” of some hard hit neighborhoods. I mean way more than my immediate blocks too. I know where these communities are countywide. Only a fool would think this illegal invasion has only effected WestGate/Sudley are. I did take a respresentative from the VA Attorney General’s office on a “field trip” in late August, and this included some of Manassas Park and the City of Manassas. Once again, I did not limit the scope of the problem. I met the AG in the fall, and he thanked me for my efforts and taking the time to show his office first hand what we were dealing with on a daily basis. I truly think it made an impact.
I’m not one to pat myself on the back. However, I will say this I do and have done a lot more than most may realize. There’s was a very balanced piece on PBS that aired in the fall I did. I wish some could have seen it. They would’ve learned a lot about the whole shooting match. All sides were equally represented, and although I did not agree with all sides it was a very well done segment. I know all I do, have done, and will continue you to do, and when I put my head down on my pillow each and every night I know I have done very my best, and sleep like a baby.
Lafayette
It has been a pleasure to watch you in action. You should pat yourself on the back. Few people can take on an emotional issue such as this and maintain some dignity and grace at the end of a heated discussion. I have no doubt that you would be able to take Ms. Chavez on a field trip and instill some questions in her head that had not occurred to her previously. That is the beginning of change. (The less effective style would be to grind her head into the pavement as we would all like to do, but would be pointless and rude).
Few people try to grasp the bigger picture depsite the fact that we all know that unintended impacts lurk behind every corner. Fewer people listen to any other side - where there might be some useful information.
Others would benefit from your style.
KEEP IT UP. You have fans and support outside of Westgate/Sudley - the comment simply irked me - but it was not your comment.
Lafayette needs to be in charge of zoning! That is how things will get done!
Is there an audio transcript?