No Bail For Illegal Aliens Initiative Gets Gutted
By Greg L | 14 December 2007 | Illegal Aliens, Virginia Politics | 86 Comments
Remember that proposal by the Republican caucus to deny bail to illegal aliens? Already there’s been some back-tracking, and the Virginia Crime Commission is ready to scale back that proposal to only include a select list of offenses, saying that there’s insufficient jail space to hold arrested illegal aliens until they go to trial. According to the Associated Press:
Commission chairman David Albo of Fairfax County said you couldn’t build enough jails to detain every illegal alien arrested for minor offenses like being drunk in public. The goal of the no-bail proposal is to keep illegals from fleeing to avoid deportation after trial.
What Albo and the Crime Commission is missing here is that detention facilities for illegal aliens awaiting trial don’t have to be as extensively equipped as the detention facilities that hold convicted felons. As I noted before in regards to another proposal the Crime Commission walked away from, without a need to rehabilitate inmates, we could very easily construct relatively inexpensive facilities to hold illegals that might even be a profitable enterprise if we rent out space to hold illegals detained by the federal government. But the Crime Commission walked away from that idea, which gave it a good excuse to walk away from this initiative as well.
Here’s what I said on this earlier proposal:
With a less expensive to operate detention center solely for illegal aliens awaiting deportation, this can actually be a money-maker for the state. Willacy County, Texas does this now under the Federal Secure Border Initiative, and the Stewart Detention Center in Stewart County, Georgia is a private for-profit prison run by the Corrections Corporation of America, so the business model here is pretty mature and proven. Mecklenberg County, which was an early adopter of the Section 287(g) Program, has plans for a 1,500 bed facility in Charlotte, North Carolina to take advantage of this as well.
It’s worth noting that the Crime Commission continued to talk about this proposed detention facility as if it would have been the first in the nation, before they nixed the idea without getting any information from the localities that have already done this. What a great way to make decisions — ignore real-world results, while engaging in political posturing over a critical issue.
What the Crime Commission doesn’t realize, or more likely doesn’t want to acknowledge, is that once we start holding illegals and the word gets out that this is not a good place for them to be we’re not going to have a lot of them to hold until trial. Instead, the Crime Commission wants to take a half-measure approach, which won’t have the deterrent effect that a strong policy like disallowing bail for all illegal aliens would have. It’s a recipe for ensuring this problem perpetuates itself as long as possible.
The session hasn’t even started, and already there are those who want to gut the campaign promises that Republican candidates ran on, and won with. With a start like this, it’s going to be a very ugly General Assembly session.
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we could probably save a whole lot of money by just erecting some tents and renting a bunch of greyhound buses. They wouldnt have to stay long in the tent city, since they would be on the bus back to where they came from in no time…
Just use a big warehouse type of building like Costco. That is all you need. Once they are processed, they are shipped off.
Yea, josh, give’m some pink underwear (long ones this time of year) and feed’m baloney sandwiches, you know like old Joe in Arizona does. The two above suggestions are really great. Go to it you guys. All the problems solved. No more illegals. Tada! We’ll all live happily ever after, for sure.
Yes, the measurable outcome - shipped off.
Of those in the ADC, how many have been shipped off since July?
How many have been released on a deportation warrant?
How many released have shown up for the hearing?
Sheriff Joe is putting them in tents in Arizona. That not good enough for Virginia? I guess if they were put in tents, they wouldn’t get UNIVISION.
The MJM FINALLY reported on the outcome of the trial of MARILU LOPEZ, an illegal alien with five illegitimate kids from two boyfriends who was charged with child abuse, in today’s paper. Her trial was held a week ago yesterday (5 December) and the paper is just getting around to reporting the results. UNBELIEVABLE!
On the bright side of this announcement is the implicit admission that the criminal illegal alien population in this state has just gotten too big to be manageable.
What about ankle bracelets?
What’s with the tents, what wrong with a bus. Oh, that’s right, the feds would have to actually deport them.
Silly me
@Krusty
“”"Yea, josh, give’m some pink underwear (long ones this time of year) and feed’m baloney sandwiches, you know like old Joe in Arizona does.”"”
And? Do you somehow disagree with this? If so, rationale?
Why are you carrying on about keeping them? Isn’t anyone interested in deportation?
I see nothing wrong with tent city. Cheap, easy to erect, low maintenance and easily accessible. I have no quarrel with giving the inmates nothing. They did something wrong, they should not be “rewarded” with a gym membership, free medical care and buffet. The Sheriff in Williamson Co., in IL, came into office and the first thing he did was cancel the cable subscription for the jail. He then proceeded to remove all movies from the day room. He gained the respect of many Williamson Co. citizens. Jail should not be easy. This reminds me of the homeless ILLEGAL admitting his crime. He now gets a health club, medical benefits (better than the ones I have to pay for) and 3 hot meals a day. I guess no more hard ground for him this winter.
I will conclude that you all are not interested in deportation as you claim. More into how mean you can be. Have at it.
Advocator, What about S.T.A.R.F.A.G.?? (Selective Termination And Reassignment For Affected Groups) I say if an ILLEGAL alien has committed a crime in the US, off with their head. Better yet, if anyone commits a crime they should be punished severely for it. My a$$ was busted when I messed up. It does wonders for me next time I think about doing the same stupid thing again.
One voice, They have to have a place to stay while they are processed. Once processed, their @$$ has a free ride back to the border or country they came from. I do not see the processing taking anymore than 5 business days. Computers do wonders for speeding up the process.
MEDIC64 -
Understand. But you think five days - LOL. Again, how many of the 242 turned over to ICE since July have been DEPORTED, VAMOOSED, LEFT, SHIPPED OFF?
No one seems to be concerned that that part of this is not happening. The debate should be why it’s not happening.
My point is that - that would be the harder issue to discuss, more fun in speculating about how badly they can be treated, I guess.
Dave’s wrong on this one. Temporary detention centers, including the policies and procedures for running them in compliance with the 8th and 14th Amendments can be constructed rather quickly.
The plight of economic migrants, circumventing legal processes (i.e. illegal aliens) seeking nothing more than a pay check-not assimilation or the “American (insert country of choice) dream”-is a problem brought about by globalization and is causing concerns all over the world. Because of this, we’re going to begin to see “solutions” emerging all over; some will not be acceptable. For example, in Malaysia citizen patrols are made “deputies” to deal with “illegal immigrants [aliens].” Neighbors fear neighbors there.
The sooner (which we’re well on our way in PWC) we actively enforce our laws at all levels, do away with “sanctuary cities,” secure our border and hold our international neighbors (e.g. Mexico, El Sal, etc.) accountable for their lax approach to respecting our immigration laws (read restrict foreign aid; esp. to that little beggar Calderon), the better off we’ll be in the eyes of the world for setting the right example to provide for national and economic security.
We’ve got a big problem, the sooner we start dealing with it in proactive-identify, arrest, prosecute, deport and restrict re-entry of illegal aliens-approaches, within the confines of our laws rather than reacting, the better off we’ll be.
Right, the sooner the feds deport, the less cost to all of us. How do we put this pressure on them?
Mr Royse, do you know how many of the 242 in the ADC that were turned over to ICE have actually been deported?
1. Build the fence, tall and strong. Maintain it. It works. Look at the price and availability of heroin and cocaine. (Way up!) It’s the people who bring the drugs, folks! Keep the people out, keep the dope out! (Better yet, legalize it and take away it’s value. Governments would crumble. Terrorism would lose it’s funding. OOPs, forgot about oil!)
2. Bag ‘em, tent ‘em, deport ‘em. Wives, kids, etc.
3. Fix the 14th Amendment.
4. Open the textile and steel mills back up. I’d rather buy American and pay a living wage than give my money away to foreigners.
Whew! Have at it, folks!
Mando 9:40 - What good would it do? That’s my rationale.
You want to be a warden in a tent city jail? A job Americans want to do, no doubt. We have Minutemen ready, eager, and able. Let’s use’m!
I like number 4. When we made yarn and thread, it didn’t break, yarn kept it’s shape.
I would rather buy American any day.
one voice, I do not obviously know since I do not know the names of those turned over to check. Obviously some are being deported since they are re-entering the country again.
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SInce you are on the issue One voice, tell me how many have been deported? It isn’t about being mean, that attitude has to be gutted right away. Yes they are human beings, but they are also criminals. Criminals forfeit certain sympathy IMHO.
That’s why I am asking. There was another thread regarding the sucess of the program and I couldn’t get the answer there either. But again, no one was really interested or APPEARED interested in that.
I am just suggesting that rather than spend time on that dribble, there appear to lots of folks “in the know” here with lots of sources on so many things - can’t anyone find out?
If I could,I would and and I would report it.
Krusty-I know of a few TSA employees looking for a career upgrade…
Our government will continue to hamstring everything…I would like to know why. I’m flabberghasted…really and trully.
What’s the incentive for any level of government to continue to aid and abett the illegal populace? There’s got to be something here…every time something is proposed, its “scaled back” “gutted” “amended” or any other term applicable to rendering a proposal completely useless.
Its not about being mean One Voice… Illegal aliens awaiting deportation have no use for gyms, community rooms, tv, radio or any other sort of amenity. Beyond providing the most very basic of human needs I find little fault with the most basic forms of holding…be they tents or warehouse-like facilities.
Our government is proving itself to be quite worthless indeed.
As would I, one voice. I will make you a deal, you gather the names and I will research their outcome. Now, I am willing to find out the information if you are willing to put forth the effort to assist the research.
I’m saying that instead of pursuing facts here on the blog, folks are more interested in talking about how they should be treated. Not an image I think is good for business.
Anyone in jail should lose priviliges, that’s the point of jail - I agree - we all agree. Some enjoy describing scenarios.
I am simply frustrated because 287(g) has been called a success without facts and and our elected leaders at all levels are not properly managing community expectations regarding the issues.
How many of the 242 ‘turned over to ICE’ have been deported. I wouldn’t call 287(g) a success unless that number is published. Maybe it’s 241?!!!
I will no longer ask the question as it appears no one knows - but if it’s touted again as a success without the data, I will be back on it!!!!
Medic64
I don’t know how. I am asking and wondering why no one else is asking. I’ve called the jail and not gotten an answer - they don’t give this information out to regular people. I don’t have any contacts -
Perhaps HSM would have access to this information?
Why is it necessary to build new facilities? Aren’t there a few abandoned military bases strewn across the Commonwealth, just as there are in every state in this nation? I don’t see any reason why these couldn’t be easily converted…if they were good enough for our soldiers, they should certainly be good enough for illegal aliens who have been charged with a crime.
I have called you out on it One Voice, gather the names and I will do the research to find out the disposition. You want answers, but you are not willing to do some research for them.
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From the ICE 2k6 Fiscal report:
Fiscal Year 2006 (FY06) was a year of many records for ICE. Building
upon the strong foundation established during its formative years, ICE in FY06 succeeded in implementing many new initiatives that are transforming the agency into a premiere 21st century law enforcement institution.
During the last 12 months, ICE set new records for enforcement
activity, ended the long-standing practice of “catch and release,”
launched major new initiatives, developed a framework for
eliminating ICE’s long-standing financial challenges, and
improved the management and morale of the agency.
In FY06, ICE set new records for work site enforcement by increasing
the number of arrests sevenfold over the last five years since the Immigration and Naturalization Service’s (INS) last full year of operation in 2002. ICE is now criminally charging and seizing the
assets of unscrupulous employers to create the kind of deterrence
that was previously absent in work site enforcement efforts, and
achieving measurable success.
ICE also ended the practice of “catch and release” along the borders,
an accomplishment that many considered impossible in 2005
when only 29 percent of apprehended non-Mexican aliens were
detained along the border.
Using Expedited Removal authority, ICE succeeded in reducing the
average length of stay in custody for aliens placed in expedited
removal proceedings to approximately 19 days, down significantly
from the average of 90 days for aliens in traditional proceedings.
ICE also increased its use of the Justice Prisoner and Alien Transportation System, expanded its use of video teleconferencing technology at foreign consulates, and established the Detention
Operations Coordination Center to maximize detention capacity.
All of these efforts resulted in the increased efficiency of the
removal process, and a record number of alien removals. In FY06,
ICE removed 185,431 illegal aliens from the country, a ten percent
increase over the number of removals in FY05.
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From Orlando Sentinel:
It’s all part of “Operation Return to Sender,” a national push by officers of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement — a branch of the Department of Homeland Security — that made 2006 the year with the most deportations on record with more than 195,000 such removals.
The agency appears to be out pacing that in 2007, with more than 125,000 illegal immigrants sent away by mid-April.”
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I am fairly confident that those turned over to ICE from the ADC may not have met all of the criteria for deportation, but hopefully some of them were included in the 185,431 that were deported. It all boils down to getting rid of the worse ones first, then work your way down.
See One Voice, a matter of a few minutes I was able to get some research done and provide information. It isn’t hard if you really want answers.
It would appear that one figure is greater than the other, but that could be because at the time the Fiscal report was created, it could have been at the 185k level.
Once the process has been streamlined, I am sure there will be more. It is successful and it is working, but like any new initiative, it takes time to work out an efficient manner to handle all of the people involved.
EXCELLENT point AWC!!!!
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FOIA One Voice. They have to respond to those requests.
You have ‘called me out’ to do something I say I don’t know how to do. Are you proving your manhood or something?
Tell you what. Let’s switch, you get the names and I’ll follow up, but I’ll not have to do anything until you get the names first and I can sit back and make comments like that.
For Pete’s sake - that was helpful.
One Voice,
http://ww4report.com/node/2228/print
Here is a link to information about the number of deportations. It doesn’t deal directly with our group, but general deportations.
LOL @ One Voice, you have already declared your computer illiteracy. I will look into getting the names. I am not sure why since you will not follow through. It has nothing to do with manhood. It has to do with those who demand things, yet are not willing to do some leg work for the information.
FOIA - Okay.
Glad you were able to get information from Orlando. That’s a bit far from Manassas so I am not sure of the relavance. I could search another state and post that. That would be easy.
I will now research FOIA’s.
Krusty said on 14 Dec 2007 at 7:13 am:
Krusty said on 14 Dec 2007 at 7:13 am:
Yea, josh, give’m some pink underwear (long ones this time of year) and feed’m baloney sandwiches, you know like old Joe in Arizona does. The two above suggestions are really great. Go to it you guys. All the problems solved. No more illegals. Tada! We’ll all live happily ever after, for sure.
If that’s what it takes, DO IT!
Okay Medic64 - 11:55
Whatever…………..
/\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 14 Dec 2007 at 9:53 am:
One voice, They have to have a place to stay while they are processed. Once processed, their @$$ has a free ride back to the border or country they came from. I do not see the processing taking anymore than 5 business days. Computers do wonders for speeding up the process.
Forget the FREE RIDE back to the border. If they can’t afford to pay for their trip, have their relatives send them the money. They send enough of it back to their “home” countries.
Krusty said on 14 Dec 2007 at 10:27 am:
Mando 9:40 - What good would it do? That’s my rationale.
You want to be a warden in a tent city jail? A job Americans want to do, no doubt. We have Minutemen ready, eager, and able. Let’s use’m!
That’s the only rational thing you have said in weeks. Keep up the good work! You’ll come around!
Vigilant1-Good point! There has to be some way to levy a civil penalty or criminal fine against them to help recover costs. Once we start seizing homes, bank accounts (illegal gains) and cars, how long would it be before they loaded up the truck and hightail it out of the U.S.? Take a coat, it’s cold up in Canada.
Vigilant1, The problem with waiting for money from home is they have none. We will be forced to hold them until they get enough together which could be years. In the long run, it would be cheaper to give them a ride back.
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One Voice said on 14 Dec 2007 at 12:00 pm:
LOL @ One Voice, giving up so soon?
The information is from Orlando and yes it is a bit far from Manassas, however, it was posted to show the success you asked for. What should it really matter if each one of those detained and released to ICe from the ADC were deported. As I stated, some probably didn’t meet all the deportation criteria and were released.
I also posted from the Fiscal Report for ICE as well. There are many positive pieces of information if you look for them.
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I know the pink jumpsuit and jail conditions would be a deterrent for me. I am sure not many want to commit crime in Sheriff Joe’s jurisdiction.
The tent city concept seems to work for sheriff Joe, In fact he’s been doing it for ages. When I left arizona almost 17 years ago he was just starting it and it’s still around and he’s still around and keeps getting elected. He must be doing something right! I dont agree with all of his tactics but he’s making sure that the law is enforced regardless of the amount of feathers he ruffles. Is that not what everyone wants? I dont want to live in a lawless society. I want all the rules applicable to everyone, not just those that chose to follow them. Illegal aliens seem to get a free pass. It’s time for that pass to expire and for them to be on their way.
If it takes tents, buses, baloney sandwiches and pink underwear then so be it….
Good point Johnson, If we seize the assets of drug dealing criminals, why can’t we seize the assets of ILLEGAL aliens as well?? That would help offset some of the cost, not all, but some.
For all to enjoy-
http://www.local10.com/news/14853316/detail.html
She made bail, her immigration status was not mentioned. If she has a green card, it should be revoked for aiding and abetting.
How does a news article from Orlando answer “how many of the 242 turned over to ICE at the PWC ADC were deported” Maybe I should find one from Kansas will that help me answer that question.
I checked on FOIA and (The FOIA Office can be reached by phone at (301) 975-4074. Their address is: National Institute of Standards and Technology, FOIA Office, 100 Bureau Drive, Stop 1710, Gaithersburg, MD 20899-1710.).
I am unlikely to get data from a jail (one of the BIG
exceptions as it could interfere with ongoing investigations)
I will be charged for any information that they wish to
provide.
Again, if we got information for a thread that the program is a success with 242 being turned over to ICE (can’t figure out how that information was available considering today’s mini research project) Why wasn’t the follow up question asked “how many were deported”.
Promise, I will stop now and will stick with funding, something I understand.
Help me out here. I am listening to the HRC sideshow so perhaps I cannot multi-task as well as I thought I could. One Voice, unless I am mistaken, you are simply trying to determine how many of our local illegal detainees have been deported?
Why are you being called out? LOL Folks, the sideshow is down at the McCoart Building. If no one knows, just tell the lady you don’t know. We don’t need High Noon over it.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with measurable outcomes. So far all I have heard is that the 287(g) program is working. Well…what does ‘working’ mean? How can we measure it? Empirical evidence please.
Exactly what have I missed? Obviously something.
One Voice,
You asked for information that apparently is no longer available and for that I will apologize for rousting you on your lack of being able to get it.
What does it matter if the detainees from our specific ADC are deported as long as the most violent ILLEGALS are being deported? I care about ours being released and coming back, but I am sure they realize they are now on the proverbial radar and will most likely seek a safer place.
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Dolph,
Please see the post from the Fiscal report for ICE I posted earlier for your evidence.
BTW One Voice, FOIA stands for Freedom OF Information Act.
Oh gee, thanks for the correction on FOIA.
Medic64 said: “What does it matter if the detainees from our specific ADC are deported as long as the most violent ILLEGALS are being deported?”
1) Is this what HSM believes?
2) Is this the RULE OF LAW?
3) Is this what folks here believe?
4) Is this spin based on perceived failure of the feds?
5) Is this an okay for illegals to stay here and trash the
neighborhoods because they are not violent?
Yikes, I sure missed the point of the 7/10 resolution and the focus of illegal immiagration here on BVBL.
I didn’t ask earlier. I just think if someone wants to know something you either answer them or say you don’t know.
If we are paying for something as a county, then what happens locally is important. Frankly, I don’t want to know. I am more the type of person who wants criminals in jail here rather than returned home. But I also realize not everyone shares my opinion, which is ok.
Careful Medic 64, or somone might accuse you of being a chest thumper or a bully.
Krusty said on 14 Dec 2007 at 7:13 am:
“Yea, josh, give’m some pink underwear (long ones this time of year) and feed’m baloney sandwiches, you know like old Joe in Arizona does. The two above suggestions are really great. Go to it you guys. All the problems solved. No more illegals. Tada! We’ll all live happily ever after, for sure.”
Yes….we will live happily ever after if this finally happens!
Sheriff Joe is a fantastic role model on how to get things done!
One Voice, You have obviously not read all of my comments here on this blog.
I can not spek for HSM nor do I infer that I am.
Here is what I am for:
1) Securing the borders
2) Enforcing the current law
3) Not enacting other laws without enforcement of those already on the books
4) I do not want these people returned back into society, but I am realistic about it, they can not detain all ILLEGAL aliens, there simply is not enough space. So, with that in mind, I have to be satisfied that the most violent ones are being detained and deported. Once they are deported then that frees up more room for those that are less violent.
5) All ILLEGALS should be deported once they have been discovered.
6) Anchor babies do not get automatic citizenship, which goes to fixing the 14th Amendment.
The feds are doing, IMHO, what they can with what they have to work with. I am not happy with the job they are doing, but I am trying to be realistic about it.
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Dolph,
I posted some evidence earlier, that is what my post was referring to. As far as the comment “I just think if someone wants to know something you either answer them or say you don’t know.” I feel that if you want information you can go to several places to get it. You can certainly ask here, but you can also gain it from Google ® searches as well.
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I have little patience for the apologetic people for ILLEGAL aliens. I would like to know how many of the ADC detainees were deported as well, but we may not know since there are no names readily available to the general public to track them with.
crumpled to the floor from sheer exhaustion –
#5 is the point of all my posts. How many that have been discovered in PWC have been deported? Greg L posted a thread that the program was sucessfull and I questioned the measure of success as the number deported was not reported. (rhyme time)
I try to give up, but, can’t so you are correct with the ‘giving up so easily’….
I accept your apology regarding me obtaining information that is not obtainable. Very gracious and appreciated. It’s not so much what you do it’s how….we don’t always have to agree. This would totally disqualify you from being accused of a chest thumper or a bully in my book.
FINIS
http://newsok.com/article/3180616/1197617763
“Judge tosses immigration lawsuit”
Now that is what I am talking about!
“These plaintiffs admit their violation of federal law, and then ask this court to allow them to file suit anonymously, so as to avoid detection by the federal law enforcement,” Payne wrote.”
You gotta love this quote from the article I posted above! This is just like all of those “petitions” that were given to the BOCS during that marathon night a few months back. How many of those people were “anonymous” to avoid detection????
from the floor I clicked on link with last vestige of remaining strength….only to be delighted to find the following comment:
“These illegal alien plaintiffs seek nothing more than to use this court as a vehicle for their continued unlawful presence in this country. To allow these plaintiffs to do so would make this court an abettor of iniquity and this court finds that simply unpalatable.”
Good reading. Come East.
http://clearinghouse.wustl.edu/chDocs/public/IM-TX-0003-0006.pdf
Good news from farmersbranch!
/\/\3|)iç 64 and I have always been respectful of each other, jfk. He and I can agree, or we can disagree.
/\/\3|)iç 64, I might have overlooked something. I was trying to find out what I missed. I was listening to the Ms. Chavez debacle at the time.
Let me try another approach here. It isn’t fair to lay this all on you. Does anyone know if anyone has actually been deported who has been taken in at our regional ADC? (It’s ok if they haven’t, in my book)
jfk, I believe you agreed to drop this silliness. Why is it returning? Are you not a person of your word?
Coalition of Latino Clergy and Christian Leaders….hmmmm…isn’t this the same group who had a hand in the lawsuit filed against Prince William County? If yes, they sure get around. Just regular gadflies, aren’t they?
http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/immigration/entries/2007/12/12/hillary_clinton_releases_spani.html
“Hillary Clinton releases Spanish-language ad and video featuring Bill”
The question is why? Legal citizens (who are the only ones that can vote) should be able to speak English per the citizenship test correct???
Johnson said on 14 Dec 2007 at 12:29 pm:
For all to enjoy-
http://www.local10.com/news/14853316/detail.html
She made bail, her immigration status was not mentioned. If she has a green card, it should be revoked for aiding and abetting.
They won’t see her again!
The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 14 Dec 2007 at 2:39 pm:
The question is why? Legal citizens (who are the only ones that can vote) should be able to speak English per the citizenship test correct???
CORRECT. What they are doing is called PANDERING!
Being a Medic One Voice, I will be happy to give you an IV for strength (c; D5W (sugar water) will perk ya up (c:
I read that article as well. I was happy to see the judge’s comments as also. I did take a bit of time to read some of the comments posted at the bottom of the article I read out of OK. Something that disturbed me was one person said to beware, this wasn’t over and once the high price attorney’s get their teeth into it, HR 1804 will be overturned. I am in hopes that the PWC resolution will stand up to the high price attorneys.
How do people that enter ILLEGALLY qualify for resolution in our judicial system?
IMHO, as long as Kaine is in the Gov’s mansion, we will never see this kind of action towards ILLEGALS. His pre-k is designed with them in mind.
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Kisseys for the Dolph ~(c; A little tongue too!!
What is the scoop on th Chavez crap?
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I agree 999, she is in the wind.
http://phxnews.com/fullstory.php?article=50857
GREAT podcast from Col. Rodriquez regarding illegal immigration.
The Patriot-I was waiting for this to come out. It’s a little early, I think. HRC is gonna bomb this nomination because she started campaigning too early. Gave us all too much of a chance to see the real Hill-Bill. She and her cohorts have been pressuring INS to approve the backlog of green cards for more Dem voters. Same as with Bill’s campaign in 2000. There’s something basically wrong with a spanish-language political commercial. They’re probably used to this in Kalifornia. Remember, a vote for Hill-Billery is a vote for amnesty!
Kisseys,
You might be rather ….amused…to read what dolphins really do with tongue…..
Not to avoid your question….I posted my rather biased comments over under the circus thread. I was pretty disgusted with her. She definitely had her own agenda. She interrupted the anti-illegal folks with her own opinions….the pro illegal lawyer was invited to submit her additional evidence after doing the biggest pity party whine session I have ever heard….someone should have asked her if she got the offending cops’ badge numbers and names. She was full of it. Frith I think was the name.
Chavez also prefaced her remarks to the supervisors with a little prejudicial stage setting. They fought back. I was proud of them.
Was I surprised at the tone of the hearing? Not in the least.
One Voice, What really needs to be asked, isn’t if they have been deported, but if there are detainers on these illegal’s. Some illegals have to serve sentences before they are deported. So just because one hasn’t been deported doesn’t mean that the 287g isn’t working.
Just being able to tell if a person is illegal is a benefit. For instance, you might have an illegal that has committed a misdemeanor, but you look at his record and find out he has two more let’s say, DUI’s. The ADC can then hold them for ICE. Before, there was an almost certain chance that this illegal would have been let loose. We now have the tools to be able to petition the Fed’s to get rid of this illegal.
I am now interested Dolph. I will look up that tidbit of info right now!!
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The devil made me reference that;).
uhh Dolph…..I found this link when I did a Google ® search (dolphin tongue)….a bit more information than I expected.
http://www.ilovedolphins.org/
“She and her cohorts have been pressuring INS to approve the backlog of green cards for more Dem voters.”
How the devil would green cards translate into voters? Green cards are only legal residency IDs for foreign nationals necessary (theoretically) to obtain employment in this country. Legal citizens (who should be the only ones voting) do not require green cards. Is this a presumption that they are planning upon committing voter fraud on a national basis? If this is true, we might just as well turn over the keys of the nation to the illegals!
Maureen Wood said on 14 Dec 2007 at 3:50 pm:
One Voice, What really needs to be asked, isn’t if they have been deported, but if there are detainers on these illegal’s. Some illegals have to serve sentences before they are deported. So just because one hasn’t been deported doesn’t mean that the 287g isn’t working.
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Detainers and imprisioned is different than released under a warrant to appear at a deportation hearing.
I’ve suggested the following measures; due to overloading the system I was worn down to one measure today simply to continue breathing. Although a nice post from MEDIC regarding an IV and a judgement from OK have revived me some.
1) Deported
2) Issued a detainer and imprisioned
3) Issued a warrant to appear for a deportation hearing
4) Failure to appear under #3
While I agree with you in a sense, to capture the whole picture all four are necessary. My only concern here is that if the feds don’t cough it up, we need to know early and complain to our local and state reps often - better while the Gen’l Assembly is in session, don’t you think?
One Voice- It is my understanding that when a detainer is placed on an illegal they are not released, hence the detainer. That is why th 287g agreement was so nesssary, so they were not released and told to come back for their deportation hearing.
They sit in jail until the hearing.
Not true. Many are released. That’s been happening all over - particularly in Charlotte NC. The best part about Charlotte is they release them and tell them to appear at the Federal Court in Atlanta!!! What a hoot.
All 287(g) does is DELEGATE federal authority to local law enforcement to ask the status question. That’s it in a nutshell.
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LOL TMI!!!! I got my information on the subject from the Discovery Channel several years ago. It also talked about D2D (dolphin to dolphin), not D2P.
The author of that article probably needs to have a long long talk with his shrink. Leave it to the internet…..
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As I said the other day, I feel unless one of our elected officials is directly impacted by a criminal act committed by an illegal nothing will change. You can bet if the poor kid who was killed by an illegal in Woodbridge a few months ago, had been the son of an elected official, or even Police chief, said elected official or police chief would not stop trying to get every illegal out of the State.
COM - there is truth in what you say, however, I am more pessamistic. I think it would have to happen at a national level. And those at the the national level will never be impacted by the day to day nonsense the rest of us have to put up with.
At the tippy top they are so busy lining their pockets with spoils from Iraq, they forget they are American, I think that’s why they all wear flags to help jog their memories.. The camera lights reflect off them into their eyes and they remember.
Com,
Agreed.
It really is sad that illegals are treated far better than the average American when it comes to the legal system.
I plan on going on the General Assembly next month and I will certainly raise this issue with Jackson and Chuck. It simply is not acceptable for the GA to not do everything possible to protect the safety and security of the Citizens of this Commonwealth.
Anybody who is not in favor of not providing bail for illegals is a supporter of criminals and should be personally held responsible for crimes committed by those illegals who commit further crimes after having come into contact with law enforcement.
We should do the same for the judges who allow illegals back out as well. If judges and law enforcement were to be held responsible and accountable for those out on bail, there would be a huge decrease in the number of people released.
CitizenofManassas said on 14 Dec 2007 at 9:30 pm:
“It really is sad that illegals are treated far better than the average American when it comes to the legal system”
I could not agree with you more and this I do believe is the feeling of most.
( I have been trying for the last few minutes to elaborate more to say but I am truly at a loss of words.)
COM/REDAWN
This is from the thread about today’s events at McCoart. The following is part of a ruling from a Judge in Oklahoma. Pertinent to your comments and postive news. We can only hope this thought process continues and expands.
Patriot posted the link. I am totally inept when it comes to copying links I can try if you want it.
“These illegal alien plaintiffs seek nothing more than to use this court as a vehicle for their continued unlawful presence in this country. To allow these plaintiffs to do so would make this court an abettor of iniquity and this court finds that simply unpalatable.”
One voice,
That Judge gets it. I believe what Oklahoma has done is great and more States should follow exactly as they have done(to avoid legal issues). If their new laws are upheld, there is no longer the excuse of legal action to not take steps to rid a City or State of illegals.
Chris Royce said, “We’ve got a big problem, the sooner we start dealing with it in proactive-identify, arrest, prosecute, deport and restrict re-entry of illegal aliens-approaches, within the confines of our laws rather than reacting, the better off we’ll be.”
I agree wholeheartedly, Chris, but this doesn’t bode well in the face of our government’s plan for a “North American Union,” does it?
To me, a person’s support/non-support for the concept and eventual evolution of a “North American Union” warrants being used as a litmus test for every presidential and congressional candidate…but it won’t. I feel that we as citizens are totally hamstrung and can do very little about it.
Delegate-elect Nichols had legislative services draft a no bail/no release bill, which he is introducing, should put a lot of folks in a bind when it comes to a vote in subcommittee, we’ll record the unofficial vote, sine the Rs did away with recorded voted in subcommittee.