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	<title>Comments on: No Bail For Illegal Aliens Initiative Gets Gutted</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/</link>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-45806</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-45806</guid>
		<description>Delegate-elect Nichols had legislative services draft a no bail/no release bill, which he is introducing, should put a lot of folks in a bind when it comes to a vote in subcommittee, we'll record the unofficial vote, sine the Rs did away with recorded voted in subcommittee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delegate-elect Nichols had legislative services draft a no bail/no release bill, which he is introducing, should put a lot of folks in a bind when it comes to a vote in subcommittee, we&#8217;ll record the unofficial vote, sine the Rs did away with recorded voted in subcommittee.</p>
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		<title>By: freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44579</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44579</guid>
		<description>Chris Royce said, "We’ve got a big problem, the sooner we start dealing with it in proactive-identify, arrest, prosecute, deport and restrict re-entry of illegal aliens-approaches, within the confines of our laws rather than reacting, the better off we’ll be."

I agree wholeheartedly, Chris, but this doesn't bode well in the face of our government's plan for a "North American Union," does it?

To me, a person's support/non-support for the concept and eventual evolution of a "North American Union" warrants being used as a litmus test for every presidential and congressional candidate...but it won't.  I feel that we as citizens are totally hamstrung and can do very little about it.  :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Royce said, &#8220;We’ve got a big problem, the sooner we start dealing with it in proactive-identify, arrest, prosecute, deport and restrict re-entry of illegal aliens-approaches, within the confines of our laws rather than reacting, the better off we’ll be.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree wholeheartedly, Chris, but this doesn&#8217;t bode well in the face of our government&#8217;s plan for a &#8220;North American Union,&#8221; does it?</p>
<p>To me, a person&#8217;s support/non-support for the concept and eventual evolution of a &#8220;North American Union&#8221; warrants being used as a litmus test for every presidential and congressional candidate&#8230;but it won&#8217;t.  I feel that we as citizens are totally hamstrung and can do very little about it.  <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: CitizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44571</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 05:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44571</guid>
		<description>One voice,

That Judge gets it.   I believe what Oklahoma has done is great and more States should follow exactly as they have done(to avoid legal issues).   If their new laws are upheld, there is no longer the excuse of legal action to not take steps to rid a City or State of illegals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One voice,</p>
<p>That Judge gets it.   I believe what Oklahoma has done is great and more States should follow exactly as they have done(to avoid legal issues).   If their new laws are upheld, there is no longer the excuse of legal action to not take steps to rid a City or State of illegals.</p>
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		<title>By: One Voice</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44568</link>
		<dc:creator>One Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44568</guid>
		<description>COM/REDAWN

This is from the thread about today's events at McCoart.  The following is part of a ruling from a Judge in Oklahoma.  Pertinent to your comments and postive news.  We can only hope this thought process continues and expands.

Patriot posted the link.  I am totally inept when it comes to copying links I can try if you want it. 


"These illegal alien plaintiffs seek nothing more than to use this court as a vehicle for their continued unlawful presence in this country. To allow these plaintiffs to do so would make this court an abettor of iniquity and this court finds that simply unpalatable.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>COM/REDAWN</p>
<p>This is from the thread about today&#8217;s events at McCoart.  The following is part of a ruling from a Judge in Oklahoma.  Pertinent to your comments and postive news.  We can only hope this thought process continues and expands.</p>
<p>Patriot posted the link.  I am totally inept when it comes to copying links I can try if you want it. </p>
<p>&#8220;These illegal alien plaintiffs seek nothing more than to use this court as a vehicle for their continued unlawful presence in this country. To allow these plaintiffs to do so would make this court an abettor of iniquity and this court finds that simply unpalatable.”</p>
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		<title>By: redawn</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44565</link>
		<dc:creator>redawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44565</guid>
		<description>CitizenofManassas said on 14 Dec 2007 at 9:30 pm:

"It really is sad that illegals are treated far better than the average American when it comes to the legal system"

I could not agree with you more and this I do believe is the feeling of most.

( I have been trying for the last few minutes to elaborate more  to say but I am truly at a loss of words.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CitizenofManassas said on 14 Dec 2007 at 9:30 pm:</p>
<p>&#8220;It really is sad that illegals are treated far better than the average American when it comes to the legal system&#8221;</p>
<p>I could not agree with you more and this I do believe is the feeling of most.</p>
<p>( I have been trying for the last few minutes to elaborate more  to say but I am truly at a loss of words.)</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44561</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44561</guid>
		<description>It really is sad that illegals are treated far better than the average American when it comes to the legal system.  

I plan on going on the General Assembly next month and I will certainly raise this issue with Jackson and Chuck.  It simply is not acceptable for the GA to not do everything possible to protect the safety and security of the Citizens of this Commonwealth. 

Anybody who is not in favor of not providing bail for illegals is a supporter of criminals and should be personally held responsible for crimes committed by those illegals who commit further crimes after having come into contact with law enforcement.   

We should do the same for the judges who allow illegals back out as well.  If judges and law enforcement were to be held responsible and accountable for those out on bail,  there would be a huge decrease in the number of people released.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really is sad that illegals are treated far better than the average American when it comes to the legal system.  </p>
<p>I plan on going on the General Assembly next month and I will certainly raise this issue with Jackson and Chuck.  It simply is not acceptable for the GA to not do everything possible to protect the safety and security of the Citizens of this Commonwealth. </p>
<p>Anybody who is not in favor of not providing bail for illegals is a supporter of criminals and should be personally held responsible for crimes committed by those illegals who commit further crimes after having come into contact with law enforcement.   </p>
<p>We should do the same for the judges who allow illegals back out as well.  If judges and law enforcement were to be held responsible and accountable for those out on bail,  there would be a huge decrease in the number of people released.</p>
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		<title>By: redawn</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44545</link>
		<dc:creator>redawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44545</guid>
		<description>Com,

Agreed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Com,</p>
<p>Agreed.</p>
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		<title>By: One Voice</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44544</link>
		<dc:creator>One Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44544</guid>
		<description>COM - there is truth in what you say, however, I am more pessamistic. I think it would have to happen at a national level.  And those at the the national level will never be impacted by the day to day nonsense the rest of us have to put up with.

At the tippy top they are so busy lining their pockets with spoils from Iraq, they forget they are American, I think that's why they all wear flags to help jog their memories..  The camera lights reflect off them into their eyes and they remember.   :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>COM - there is truth in what you say, however, I am more pessamistic. I think it would have to happen at a national level.  And those at the the national level will never be impacted by the day to day nonsense the rest of us have to put up with.</p>
<p>At the tippy top they are so busy lining their pockets with spoils from Iraq, they forget they are American, I think that&#8217;s why they all wear flags to help jog their memories..  The camera lights reflect off them into their eyes and they remember.   <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: CitizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44543</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44543</guid>
		<description>As I said the other day, I feel unless one of our elected officials is directly impacted by a criminal act committed by an illegal nothing will change.   You can bet if the poor kid who was killed by an illegal in Woodbridge a few months ago, had been the son of an elected official, or even Police chief, said elected official or police chief would not stop trying to get every  illegal out of the State.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said the other day, I feel unless one of our elected officials is directly impacted by a criminal act committed by an illegal nothing will change.   You can bet if the poor kid who was killed by an illegal in Woodbridge a few months ago, had been the son of an elected official, or even Police chief, said elected official or police chief would not stop trying to get every  illegal out of the State.</p>
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		<title>By: Dolph</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44535</link>
		<dc:creator>Dolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44535</guid>
		<description>/\/\3&#124;)iç 64,

LOL TMI!!!!  I got my information on the subject from the Discovery Channel several years ago.  It also talked about D2D (dolphin to dolphin), not D2P.  

The author of that article probably needs to have a long long talk with his shrink.  Leave it to the internet.....

~~splash~~~    ~~blush~~~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>/\/\3|)iç 64,</p>
<p>LOL TMI!!!!  I got my information on the subject from the Discovery Channel several years ago.  It also talked about D2D (dolphin to dolphin), not D2P.  </p>
<p>The author of that article probably needs to have a long long talk with his shrink.  Leave it to the internet&#8230;..</p>
<p>~~splash~~~    ~~blush~~~</p>
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		<title>By: One Voice</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44530</link>
		<dc:creator>One Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44530</guid>
		<description>Not true.  Many are released.  That's been happening all over - particularly in Charlotte NC.  The best part about Charlotte is they release them and tell them to appear at the Federal Court in Atlanta!!! What a hoot.

All 287(g) does is DELEGATE federal authority to local law enforcement to ask the status question.  That's it in a nutshell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not true.  Many are released.  That&#8217;s been happening all over - particularly in Charlotte NC.  The best part about Charlotte is they release them and tell them to appear at the Federal Court in Atlanta!!! What a hoot.</p>
<p>All 287(g) does is DELEGATE federal authority to local law enforcement to ask the status question.  That&#8217;s it in a nutshell.</p>
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		<title>By: Maureen Wood</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44526</link>
		<dc:creator>Maureen Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44526</guid>
		<description>One Voice- It is my understanding that when a detainer is placed on an illegal they are not released, hence the detainer. That is why th 287g agreement was so nesssary, so they were not released and told to come back for their deportation hearing. 

They sit in jail until the hearing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One Voice- It is my understanding that when a detainer is placed on an illegal they are not released, hence the detainer. That is why th 287g agreement was so nesssary, so they were not released and told to come back for their deportation hearing. </p>
<p>They sit in jail until the hearing.</p>
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		<title>By: One Voice</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44524</link>
		<dc:creator>One Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44524</guid>
		<description>Maureen Wood said on 14 Dec 2007 at 3:50 pm: 
One Voice, What really needs to be asked, isn’t if they have been deported, but if there are detainers on these illegal’s. Some illegals have to serve sentences before they are deported. So just because one hasn’t been deported doesn’t mean that the 287g isn’t working.
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Detainers and imprisioned is different than released under a warrant to appear at a deportation hearing.  

I've suggested the following measures; due to overloading the system I was worn down to one measure today simply to continue breathing.  Although a nice post from MEDIC regarding an IV and a judgement from OK have revived me some.

1)  Deported
2)  Issued a detainer and imprisioned
3)  Issued a warrant to appear for a deportation hearing
4)  Failure to appear under #3

While I agree with you in a sense, to capture the whole picture all four are necessary.  My only concern here is that if the feds don't cough it up, we need to know early and complain to our local and state reps often - better while the Gen'l Assembly is in session, don't you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maureen Wood said on 14 Dec 2007 at 3:50 pm:<br />
One Voice, What really needs to be asked, isn’t if they have been deported, but if there are detainers on these illegal’s. Some illegals have to serve sentences before they are deported. So just because one hasn’t been deported doesn’t mean that the 287g isn’t working.<br />
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Detainers and imprisioned is different than released under a warrant to appear at a deportation hearing.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve suggested the following measures; due to overloading the system I was worn down to one measure today simply to continue breathing.  Although a nice post from MEDIC regarding an IV and a judgement from OK have revived me some.</p>
<p>1)  Deported<br />
2)  Issued a detainer and imprisioned<br />
3)  Issued a warrant to appear for a deportation hearing<br />
4)  Failure to appear under #3</p>
<p>While I agree with you in a sense, to capture the whole picture all four are necessary.  My only concern here is that if the feds don&#8217;t cough it up, we need to know early and complain to our local and state reps often - better while the Gen&#8217;l Assembly is in session, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44507</link>
		<dc:creator>AWCheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44507</guid>
		<description>"She and her cohorts have been pressuring INS to approve the backlog of green cards for more Dem voters."

How the devil would green cards translate into voters?  Green cards are only legal residency IDs for foreign nationals necessary (theoretically) to obtain employment in this country.  Legal citizens (who should be the only ones voting) do not require green cards.  Is this a presumption that they are planning upon committing voter fraud on a national basis?  If this is true, we might just as well turn over the keys of the nation to the illegals!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;She and her cohorts have been pressuring INS to approve the backlog of green cards for more Dem voters.&#8221;</p>
<p>How the devil would green cards translate into voters?  Green cards are only legal residency IDs for foreign nationals necessary (theoretically) to obtain employment in this country.  Legal citizens (who should be the only ones voting) do not require green cards.  Is this a presumption that they are planning upon committing voter fraud on a national basis?  If this is true, we might just as well turn over the keys of the nation to the illegals!</p>
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		<title>By: /\/\3&#124;)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award)</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44506</link>
		<dc:creator>/\/\3&#124;)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44506</guid>
		<description>uhh Dolph.....I found this link when I did a Google &#174; search (dolphin tongue)....a bit more information than I expected.

http://www.ilovedolphins.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uhh Dolph&#8230;..I found this link when I did a Google &reg; search (dolphin tongue)&#8230;.a bit more information than I expected.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ilovedolphins.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ilovedolphins.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dolph</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44505</link>
		<dc:creator>Dolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44505</guid>
		<description>/\/\3&#124;)iç 64,

The devil made me reference that;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>/\/\3|)iç 64,</p>
<p>The devil made me reference that;).</p>
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		<title>By: /\/\3&#124;)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award)</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44500</link>
		<dc:creator>/\/\3&#124;)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44500</guid>
		<description>I am now interested Dolph.  I will look up that tidbit of info right now!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am now interested Dolph.  I will look up that tidbit of info right now!!</p>
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		<title>By: Maureen Wood</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44498</link>
		<dc:creator>Maureen Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44498</guid>
		<description>One Voice,  What really needs to be asked, isn’t if they have been deported, but if there are detainers on these illegal's. Some illegals have to serve sentences before they are deported. So just because one hasn’t been deported doesn’t mean that  the 287g isn’t working.

Just being able to tell if a person is illegal is a benefit. For instance, you might have an illegal that has committed a misdemeanor, but you look at his record and find out he has two more let’s say, DUI’s. The ADC can then hold them for ICE.  Before, there was an almost certain chance that this illegal would have been let loose. We now have the tools to be able to petition the Fed’s to get rid of this illegal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One Voice,  What really needs to be asked, isn’t if they have been deported, but if there are detainers on these illegal&#8217;s. Some illegals have to serve sentences before they are deported. So just because one hasn’t been deported doesn’t mean that  the 287g isn’t working.</p>
<p>Just being able to tell if a person is illegal is a benefit. For instance, you might have an illegal that has committed a misdemeanor, but you look at his record and find out he has two more let’s say, DUI’s. The ADC can then hold them for ICE.  Before, there was an almost certain chance that this illegal would have been let loose. We now have the tools to be able to petition the Fed’s to get rid of this illegal.</p>
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		<title>By: Dolph</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44492</link>
		<dc:creator>Dolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kisseys,

You might be rather ....amused...to read what dolphins really do with tongue.....

Not to avoid your question....I posted my rather biased comments over under the circus thread.  I was pretty disgusted with her.  She definitely had her own agenda.  She interrupted the anti-illegal folks with her own opinions....the pro illegal lawyer was invited to submit her additional evidence after doing the biggest pity party whine session I have ever heard....someone should have asked her if she got the offending cops' badge numbers and names.  She was full of it.  Frith I think was the name.  

Chavez also prefaced her remarks to the supervisors with a little  prejudicial stage setting.  They fought back.  I was proud of them.  

Was I surprised at the tone of the hearing?  Not in the least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kisseys,</p>
<p>You might be rather &#8230;.amused&#8230;to read what dolphins really do with tongue&#8230;..</p>
<p>Not to avoid your question&#8230;.I posted my rather biased comments over under the circus thread.  I was pretty disgusted with her.  She definitely had her own agenda.  She interrupted the anti-illegal folks with her own opinions&#8230;.the pro illegal lawyer was invited to submit her additional evidence after doing the biggest pity party whine session I have ever heard&#8230;.someone should have asked her if she got the offending cops&#8217; badge numbers and names.  She was full of it.  Frith I think was the name.  </p>
<p>Chavez also prefaced her remarks to the supervisors with a little  prejudicial stage setting.  They fought back.  I was proud of them.  </p>
<p>Was I surprised at the tone of the hearing?  Not in the least.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44491</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/12/14/no-bail-for-illegal-aliens-initiative-gets-gutted/#comment-44491</guid>
		<description>The Patriot-I was waiting for this to come out. It's a little early, I think. HRC is gonna bomb this nomination because she started campaigning too early. Gave us all too much of a chance to see the real Hill-Bill. She and her cohorts have been pressuring INS to approve the backlog of green cards for more Dem voters. Same as with Bill's campaign in 2000. There's something basically wrong with a spanish-language political commercial. They're probably used to this in Kalifornia.  Remember, a vote for Hill-Billery is a vote for amnesty!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Patriot-I was waiting for this to come out. It&#8217;s a little early, I think. HRC is gonna bomb this nomination because she started campaigning too early. Gave us all too much of a chance to see the real Hill-Bill. She and her cohorts have been pressuring INS to approve the backlog of green cards for more Dem voters. Same as with Bill&#8217;s campaign in 2000. There&#8217;s something basically wrong with a spanish-language political commercial. They&#8217;re probably used to this in Kalifornia.  Remember, a vote for Hill-Billery is a vote for amnesty!</p>
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