Comments on: MJM: Residential Overcrowding Is Nothing But Our Imagination

By: WGW

WGW — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 03:37:25 +0000

atoo: No civic association here. Besides, I don’t think would allow a witch. BTW-I’ve seen violations at residences from all ethnic backgrounds. These days(last few years) the violations are far more prevalent. I’m not the least bit surprised they were white(your words not mine). Ethnicity makes no difference to me. However, LEGAL or ILLEGAL ALIEN that matters to me. This is not about race! Hello!

By: anonymoustoo

anonymoustoo — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:58:08 +0000

WGW, you could do a fly-by in my neighborhood and find some overcrowding. It ebbs and flows. A single house here and there. Same with the other neighborhoods down Rt. 234. The biggest problem in one neighborhood is limited to one related family…about eleven members who park their broken-down cars all over the cul de sac. Their dog is the only one in the neighborhood that runs loose. They used to park all over the grass but a visit from PWC resulted in their paving some more of their front yard . Surprise…they aren’t Hispanic. They’re white (for those who value ethnicity).

Does your neighborhood have a civic association? If not, that might be a goal.

By: WGW

WGW — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:29:16 +0000

anonymoustoo,
Weekends would NOT be overtime if the PCE worked a flex schedule. They need to come in early hours of the mornings when the “tenants” are leaving for to go do the work the Americans don’t want to do(as you’d say, just a guess). Citizens keep logs and take pictures of the comings and goings. I think there’s a few fine upstanding citizens in the county that would be willing to testify in court. However, who’s to say the defendants would even bother to show up in court.
I see you still have those blinders on. Maybe, you should go on a “fly by” with me sometime, and yes includes, Western, Eastern and mid-county.

By: anonymoustoo

anonymoustoo — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:18:41 +0000

If you’re the monticup of magic fame, stick to that. Logic doesn’t appear to be your strong point. And…what kind of citizen doesn’t want to pay to improve his community, but wants those of us without problems to do so? We voted for libraries, parks, and roads! Yes, we actually had a say at the voting booth in that choice. That’s where the majority of voters opted to spend money. You want more of MY tax dollar but don’t want to spend your own to solve your problems. There are a few taxing districts within the county that residences have formed to alleviate problems unique to their areas.

WGW, I thought the cars weren’t there when inspectors came by during the day. I don’t think one trip witnessing an abundance of cars will justify going to court. The department will want enough evidence to stand up to scrutiny. Weekends are overtime.

By: monticup

monticup — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:05:28 +0000

Anonymoustoo is bound and determined to make PWC a haven for illegal aliens. What kind of citizen approves of the trashing of their community?

By: monticup

monticup — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:04:07 +0000

Anontoo–no need to raise taxes. All we need to do is cut off services and benefits to illegal aliens. That’s a lot of money we’re throwing away.

By: WGW

WGW — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:24:59 +0000

No stake-outs needed. Citizens seem to have pretty good details when they call violations in. Ms. C. herself said they will go to homes as early as 5am. Well, why not the weekend too?

By: anonymoustoo

anonymoustoo — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:07:58 +0000

So, WGW, would you pay more for stake-outs? Even that doesn’t solve the problem of having probable cause to suspect the people are unrelated.

By: West Gate Witch

West Gate Witch — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:29:58 +0000

Numbertwo,
Take a good look at the county maps of where the violations are for 2007 & 2008YTD. Go to page 13.
Problems, are all over the county, honey! Get over it. If we don’t do something now it will land in your neighborhood. Then will see who’ll be the first one to cry.
http://www.pwcgov.org/documents/bocs/agendas/2007/1211/7-B.pdf

By: anonymoustoo

anonymoustoo — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:05:48 +0000

Are you willing to pay higher taxes so agencies which are operating at a bare minimum can afford to pay overtime to have someone stake out a house at night (for many days)? PWC is losing money because the real estate tax base is falling. Many small businesses and their tax base will disappear as well. Are you going to cough up the bucks it takes to do these things? Most of us voted to pass bond referenda to pay for parks, libraries, and roads…not enforcement of immigration laws. Are you willing to create a taxing district for your subdivision for all these extras you take away from the rest of us?

By: Lafayette(Mistletoe for Dec.)

Lafayette(Mistletoe for Dec.) — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:07:42 +0000

CW of PWC said on 17 Dec 2007 at 11:40 am:
Johnson said on 17 Dec 2007 at 12:53 pm:
I agree with both of you. Here’s some of my comments on first thread regarding Zoning/PCE.
Lafayette(Mistletoe for Dec.) said on 15 Dec 2007 at 2:13 pm:
Bayberry,
Your family visiting for the weekend or holidays is very different from living there for living in crowded conditions by choice for months on in. I also, would bet that your family/guests would not be parking on the lawn front and back, coming and going all hours of the middle of the night, or urinate in the front lawn for the world to see. Maybe, I wrong here, but I doubt it.There’s a big difference. Of course you should NOT be penalized for this. I’m a pretty middle of the road person myself, very openminded, and even more INDEPENDENT.
My point in Zoning needing to have a more flexible schedule it would be easier to talk to the occupants and explain what the problem is other than a written citation, which very well might get ignored. Believe it or not I am VERY AWARE of the fact that local zoning offices are limited by the laws from the state and feds. This is all the more reason concerned citizens need to get involved. Our state leaders must take action to give the localities within the “Old Dominion State” more tools to be effective.

By: Johnson

Johnson — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:53:58 +0000

El Guapo and Hans Mast-way to go! You have followed the MWB manifesto to the letter:

1. Play the Race Card.

2. Misdirect.

3. Lie.

“There’s nobody actually LIVING in the tent. They’re out looking for a propped open screen door after work.”

We need to be actively changing the housing codes at all levels to end the overcrowding (hiding) of illegal aliens.

By: CW of PWC

CW of PWC — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:40:20 +0000

To me, the most disturbing part of the subject of overcrowding is not the conclusions of the MJM, but the attitude of the Prince William Neighborhood Services Division. If this division is lack-luster in it’s approach to dealing with overcrowding, or dare I say “pro-illegal,” how are we ever going to effectively deal with this problem? It’s very disheartening. The Prince William electorate voted Supervisors into office to try to begin the process of dealing with illegal aliens to some degree. But, if the subordinates in the local government are against “the cause” it seems that nothing significant will ever be accomplished. This reminds me very much of the federal government(where I work)….It really doesn’t matter what leaders get elected or appointed, the “machine” will still run the way that it always has. Stewart and Stirrup may have very little control over the muckety-mucks that run the everyday operations of the county. Yes, it’s a good thing that the police will be enacting Section 287(g) program policies, but this won’t be enough to really deal with illegal immigration effectively. Prince William County needs a multi-pronged approach if it’s ever going to work here. But, if the County Administrators can’t even admit that we have an overcrowding problem, we’re in trouble. I mean, any schmuck off the street can see that we have overcrowding issues involving illegals. Just drive through any neighborhood. But sadly, many citizens of the county don’t have to do much driving to see the effects of illegal immigration…They just have to look out their own window(myself included). Just how many beautiful homes have to get gutted? Just how many old trees have to get cut down? Just how many people have to report large groups of grown men peeing in broad daylight, before something is done by the county? The government inspectors show up to investigate at certain hours, because they don’t want to catch people overcrowding in a residence. Yes Virginia there is a problem!!! But, the scary thing is that it appears that the Neighborhood Services Division KNOWS about the problem, but is choosing to deny the 400 pound gorilla on it’s back. Once again, the voters have spoken, but the govt. will continue to function as ineffectively as it always has….Disappointing, and deplorable. A prime example of government ineffectiveness and inefficiency.

By: Big Dog

Big Dog — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:43:40 +0000

Good old PWC — apparently most residents of
the City of Manassas were mailed the PWC newsletter
“INFOCUS” last week. Interesting - the county apparently
has a “cable coordinator” — wish the city could afford that.
(By the way, what is the logic behind a mass mailing
to folks in another jurisdiction? Just asking.)

By: Lafayette(Mistletoe for Dec.)

Lafayette(Mistletoe for Dec.) — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:59:58 +0000

Lafayette(Mistletoe for Dec.) said on 16 Dec 2007 at 1:58 pm:
**off topic**
The Christmas Parade is airing now on Channel 2.
El Diabilo should be coming up soon. Stay tuned…

By: 999

999 — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:33:16 +0000

Dolph said on 16 Dec 2007 at 10:11 am:
The alternative would be to call up the MJM, tell them they are blind, lazy and stupid.

They have all the appearances that they are.

I did just that re the Lopez child abuse case. Case went to trial on 5 December and nothing was published. After a week, I sent them an e-mail asking if they ever followed up on a story (they had a front page story re this case before it went to trial.) Never got a response from them but there was a short blurb I think this past Thursday (8 days after the trial) saying the defendant copped a plea etc. This is not the first time where a front page story disappears and never any follow-up. Did you catch the story about the Metz student that “was killed” after being struck by a car and two sentences later said the child was released from the hospital? Appears no one checks the facts and they just want to fill space.

By: Lafayette(Mistletoe for Dec.)

Lafayette(Mistletoe for Dec.) — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:10:41 +0000

Dolph,
I’m glad to see you are willing to get involved for the good of all by donating your services to such a worthy cause.

By: Dolph

Dolph — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:09:22 +0000

Lafayette,

Why yes I do. I am heavily in to sloth and procrastination these days. Just call me the email clearing house. I just cleaned out all the spam so bring it on!

~~splash~~

By: Lafayette(Mistletoe for Dec.)

Lafayette(Mistletoe for Dec.) — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:08:55 +0000

Loudoun,
Thank you, we must get them to listen to our concerns and see them first hand. I just this minute figured out who you are. We must take the booklets from Neighborhood Services with us too. I would like all to know that several of us pass these booklets out in our communty. These are very imformant and I truly like the fact that are printed in both English and Spanish.
You know Wally and Michelle C will be talking about the ole “shot gun” effect. Ha! We are working for the good of the county as whole.

By: Loudoun

Loudoun — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:02:16 +0000

Lafayette - I will speak with the MJM as well. When are we going to conduct our “clean sweep”?