Reread what I said. I didn’t deny you freedom of speech.

When we come together as a group, we use language that is not offensive to members of the group, in a civilized society. I actually admonished your manners, not your right to use crude, unacceptable speech. Please learn the difference if you are so freaking diverse.

So far you have proven yourself to be rude, crude, and socially unattractive.

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Again, how is cheating the system and benefiting from it a conservative value? Do you support the rule of law? Why do you support child molesters and murderers? Why do you support people who steal?

How do people who get paid in cash pay taxes? How do people who do not work pay any taxes at all?

Why do you support people that rape?

Again, illegals do not pay their fair share. They are here illegally, this has nothing to do with having enough labor over the next fifty years, and besides, what is going to happen in fifty years that will then require the United States to not have the need for labor?

Illegals make up less than 5% of the total work force, we would not miss them at all. Though, I suppose someone like you, would since you seem to have the same morals as they do.

Did you read the MJM today? I guess there goes your lies about how illegals pay into the system.

In America, aside from yelling “fire” in a theater when there is no fire, and similar acts designed to start a stampede, we do not have laws that ban words (at least not yet). I suspect that a Hillary or Osama Obama would push us further down the path to banned words, like Canada now has, but the voters can choose to vote for Freedom instead. www.RonPaul2008.com

As a multiracial woman, who has also worked as an activist on behalf of the transgendered community, I am familiar with the difference between an epithet directed at a person and the benign use of slang, used as a generalization.

In a society that treasures Liberty and Justice for all of its citizens, we cannot have banned words. Our tolerance must work in both directions on the political spectrum, allowing, for example, the White separatist and the La Raza activist to both present their ideas in the public square, then allowing their ideas to be judged only on their merit.

If we can help stimulate a candid dialog, one without banned words, then there is hope that even the most polarized citizens can find common ground on issues such as infrastructure, housing, agriculture and the environment.

As Andrew Young pointed out in a speech given in 2001, the White poor have more in common with the American Negro than they have differences, yet politicians have traditionally played these two groups against one another.

Here in the Twenty-First Century, we need to create an environment where immigrants can be taught to quickly integrate into American society. We can achieve this result with ESL, Citizenship and Hygiene classes. To foster better relations between Blacks,Whites, and other sub-groups, we should foster an open society where frank discussions are encouraged, and no words or ideas are banned.

Anyone here who uses any term that targets a specific race, ethnic group, religion or gender in any negative and derogatory way is expressing racial and ethnics hatred, and doesn’t understand a single concept of individual rights and the US Constitution.

Individuals commit bad and illegal behavior, not groups (some people are just stupid)

ON THE OTHER HAND, Anyone here who uses any term that identifies their own race, ethnic group, religion or gender as something superior or deserving of special privilige, special heritage, special recognition, special treatment, special pride, special cultural supremacy AND/OR who identifies themselves with a specific racial, ethnic, religious or gender group deserving special treatment (which INCLUDES the perceived ethnic right to break the law) is ALSO expressing racial and ethnic hatred for all groups not of their own self-segregating identity and THAT individual doesn’t understand a single concept of individual rights and the US Constitution either.

Police yourselves, and understand clearly the day will come when the majority of INDIVIDUALS will have had enough of illegal INDIVIDUALS who break our immigration laws, as WE THE PEOPLE in order to form a more perfect union will vote with our INDIVIDUAL vote, massed as many to hold all of you individuals who are illegal in our country accountable for your lawbreaking. We will pass these laws to make life hard on you who ignore our laws and we will remove you from this country in favor of bringing in honest and civilized people who will respect our concept of individual freedoms, not the rights of Ethnic groups to hate other ethnic groups or a right to self-segregate and speak your own “private and special superior language” because you don’t like people of other races. genders, religions or ethnic groups all speaking the same language, all following the same laws, all acting as individuals and all treating each other with individual dignity deserved and respected through display of mutual individual understanding and common value systems.

If your interest in immigrants, legal or illegal, was genuine, you would refrain from using language on this blog that has the potential to get it targeted as a hate group.

I am certain you know better. In a civilized society, there are just certain ways to talk in public. I don’t give a rat’s rear end how you talk in private, but a blog is not private.

I know some readers freak out when they read a slang term, like “beaner” but it is just a collective slang term and is meant as a generalization. No need to read prejudice into it, beaners call each other beaners and wetbacks all the time. Just like the use of the word nigger is used by other niggers, they don’t mean anything by it. It is how the word is used, and in this case, beaner is used to describe a group in a general way, without meaning anger or prejudice toward them.

While some of the beaners might be criminals, I think most are just trying to make a life, like the rest of us. An affirmative step, rather than whining about the beaners, is to help them by getting your church or business to hold ESL classes and Citizenship classes.

When I lived in South Texas, many recent immigrants arrived with terrible hygiene practices and many also got in trouble with the law. The local community, especially the churches got involved and began teaching hygiene, citizenship and ESL, and it really helped. The beaners of today can become the upstanding American citizens of tomorrow, if we can deal with this current wave of illegal immigration in a rational way and not let someone’s creepy tattoos get in the way of our attempts to understand or help them become good Americans.

The notion of plumping up the bottom line regardless of any other factors is utterly irresponsible and selfish. Heck, I could turn tricks or pimp out my kids to increase our family income. We could all do our part to boost the economy if we could just ignore a few laws … moral and otherwise.

Let’s all just turn back the clock and use slave and child labor. Who, after all, can compete with the Chinese who can rely on prison labor.

Economic expedience does not excuse - or justify - illegal immigration. Nor does importing any and every level of labor from overseas. We could replace every American employee with a foreigner willing to do the job for less …

Nor does economic expedience excuse the exploitation of their labor. The days of big business passing on the cost of their cheap labor onto the taxpayers is now front page news … to the point of it being a major and pressing issue in the 2008 presidential campaign.

On of my neighbors came to the states from India during the late ’60’s. He owns two coin operated laundrettes … and readily admits that the bulk of his customers are newly arrived latino “immigrants”.

He also hires from that work force and is fretting over current events regarding that population. He frets because there is a good chance that his customer base, along with his employees, could be here illegaly. That his employees have documents does not mean those documents are legit. He also frets over a brother who lives in Chicago who works for Air India in the cargo department. “What a strain” he told me “it has been for my brother because of the feds cracking down on the employment of illegal aliens at the airport.”

What a surprise it was to see the big OBAMA ‘08 bumper sticker on his van.

Between half and 3/4 of the 2Is do work on the books. They pay state and federal income taxes. they also pay social security and Medicare, but they are ineligible to receive the benefits. The IG of the Social Security Administration quantified the 2I contribution to Social Security from 1937 to 2003 at around $5.25 billion.

Arkansas is instructive (I pick this up now because of the attention that Huckabee is getting). Arkansas has had substantial 2I growth between 2000 to 2005. Estimates are that there are 100,000 immigrants in Arkansas. 65,000 are Hispanic. Half of these are illegal. A 2006 study from the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation (see yesterday’s WSJ) tried to quantify financial/economic impact. They concluded that the 2004 negative impact on Arkansas of the immigrant population was around $240 million, but that the plus side of the ledger checked in at close to $260 million. The report concluded that the State’s GDP was increased by about $1.4 billion by the presence of immigrant labor.

Obviously, these numbers are going to vary from location to location and I have no problem acknowledging that the numbers may come out negative depending on where you draw the lines on a map. But they are consistent with national projections. So just lose the Carl Sagan order of magnitude (billions and billions) cost figures. This isn’t a cost problem. It’s a policy problem re security and making sure the US is competitive in attracting all levels of immigrant labor over the next 50 years.

Plus a lot of those cameras are pan/tilt/zoom and they may not have been aimed at the position of interest.

I suspect they have port forwarding set up on whatever device this IP address belongs to so connections to port 25 are forwarded to yet another internal machine.

It also looks as I mentioned that many internal machines are being NAT’d behind this IP address..

It’s a very similar configuration to what we have at work. We have an entire state government network natted through two IPs.

(Let me tell you, it is a real pain to try to figure out what internal machine did what with that external IP because there is no logging… there are so many connections being made and torn down that the logs would be unmanageable. If there’s a recurring problem (spam, abusive posts, etc) I can create a signature on the intrusion detection system to trip on it. But if it’s just something that happened once..sorry, I probably won’t be able to find out who did it).

Why would email ports be used to do web browsing since ports 80 and 443 (secure https) are used? Someone could port these through NAT (Network Address Translation), which I could explain in detail if requested, but it is not common.

However, there is a chance that they have hijacked the Library network and they are using the port 25 to go to the internet. If this is the case, the LAN admin at the library needs to be notified.

To address what seems to be your mantra here:
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“Illegal” is a loose term but it isn’t synonymous with criminality. When you exceed the speed limit, you are driving illegally, but you are not a criminal. When you let your dog off-leash, that’s illegal, but neither you nor your dog are criminals. Illegal aliens violate the law by coming here without passing through authorized checkpoints and showing documentation. They’ve acted unlawfully.
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Let’s start with some definitions:

American Heritage Dictionary
il·le·gal (ĭ-lē’gəl) Pronunciation Key
adj.

1. Prohibited by law.
2. Prohibited by official rules: an illegal pass in football.
3. Unacceptable to or not performable by a computer: an illegal operation.

n. An illegal immigrant.

—Synonyms 1. unlawful; illegitimate; illicit; unlicensed. Illegal, unlawful, illegitimate, illicit, criminal can all describe actions not in accord with law. Illegal refers most specifically to violations of statutes or, in organized athletics, codified rules: an illegal seizure of property; an illegal block (in football). Unlawful means not sanctioned by or according to law: an unlawful claim to the inheritance; to take unlawful advantage of the trading situation. Illegitimate means lacking legal or traditional right or rights: an illegitimate child; illegitimate use of privileged knowledge. Illicit, which originally meant simply “not permitted,” now most often applies to matters regulated by law with specific emphasis on the way things are carried out: illicit conversion of property; an illicit attempt to control the market. Criminal most often refers to violation of the statutes of penal as opposed to civil law. All felonies are criminal as are all crimes sometimes punishable by death such as murder, arson, and kidnapping: a criminal act.
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American Heritage Dictionary
crim·i·nal (krĭm’ə-nəl) Pronunciation Key
adj.

1. Of, involving, or having the nature of crime: criminal abuse.
2. Relating to the administration of penal law.
3.
1. Guilty of crime.
2. Characteristic of a criminal.
4. Shameful; disgraceful: a criminal waste of talent.

n. One that has committed or been legally convicted of a crime.
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With a few definitions out of the way here, let’s talk about your rant.

1) If you break the law, you are a criminal, period. What you have done is illegal and you are a criminal. I broke the law this morning by going 40 in a 35. Just because I am not caught, this time, doesn’t excuse the behavior, I still broke the rule of law. (On a side note, I always said one of my favorite things about being a Paramedic was I got to speed legally)

2) The passing through without going through a checkpoint is against the law and they are criminals, period.
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The apologists like you are part of the problem. You, meaning the group of people not you specifically, all want this to go away so we can get along. Many people, like myself, want the people to go back to where they came from and enter the right way. We, meaning the people of like mind to myself, want them to stop forcing their culture on us. We want them to accept the American culture and learn to live within it. This isn’t rocket science, assimilate and you will have less problems than you are facing right now. People feel their way of life is threatened and they are fighting back. I liken this to the old saying, you don’t kick a lying dog because he will get up and bite you EVERY time. They are kicking the lying dog and he is up and biting in the way of raids and such. If the ILLEGAL aliens had just came in and assimilated, learned English, accepted the American culture and blended in, they would not be having the problems they are having now.

I am not sure they contribute more in taxes than services provided they use. How many day laborers pay taxes on the cash they receive? How many employers pay the employee taxes for them? I can not see the argument that they give more than they take. Who pays for the hospital bill when they use the hospital and do not pay for the services rendered? You and I do with higher costs. That argument really doesn’t hold nay water. How much property tax do they pay to support the schools and other educational services?

But the fact remains they are here illegally, and should not be. Stop making excuses for them. You have attempted to compare Citizens with an alien. There is no comparison. One belongs here, the other does not.

BTW, I really like Wegmans, too, but we don’t have one near where I live, doggone it.