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Bob Marshall on WTOP
By Greg L | 17 December 2007 | Virginia Politics, US Senate | 96 Comments
Delegate Bob Marshall appeared on the first segment of the Mark Plotkin show on WTOP and just fell short of announcing that he would run for the Republican nomination for United States Senate. It’s an interesting listen, even if Dick Saslaw called in, which I found distracting.
Anyone who underestimates Bob Marshall clearly does so at their own peril.
H/T: NLS
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I am certainly no Bob Marshall fan just because I think he hurts other Republicans, but he could end up being Gilmore’s worst nightmare in a convention setting. Think about it, if he indeed mounts a serious challenge almost all the pro-life community will instantly back him. This could be very interesting indeed!
Anonymous said on 17 Dec 2007 at 11:19 am:
Think about it, if he indeed mounts a serious challenge almost all the pro-life community will instantly back him.
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That’s a very SCARY thought!
He is crazy
Period
Marshall is a very smart man and I think if he did win the convention he would be a threat to Warner and here’s why
Marshall-Newman Marriage amendment, got 200.000 more votes then warner did when he ran for governor despite Warner’s financial opposition and being outspent $300.000 to over $1.000.000.000
Independence, Marshall’s failure to jump when the leadership tells him to, may hurt him in convention but will help him in general, combined with his Democratic background he will appeal to minority’s and Moderate’s without seriously hurting him with Republicans
And last. He sticks with his beliefs.
I doubt that Marshall will appeal to many Independents, particularly women. He’s too rigid on the abortion issue and all of us are going to die at some point and I don’t think we want Bob Marshall sticking his nose into our or our families’ decisions then.
anonymoustoo
why shouldn’t he appeal to women?
not all of them like to murder their offspring.
As long as he can fend of mis-characterizations by the liberals he WILL pick up independents and conservative dems(SW VA)
When you look at ALL of his record he comes of as extremely appealing
(P.S how do you know that being Pro-Life will hurt someone? neither Jerry Kilgore or George Allen ran pro-life ads.)
anonymoustoo said on 17 Dec 2007 at 2:40 pm:
I’m in 100% agreement with you on this one.
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PWConservative said on 17 Dec 2007 at 3:15 pm:
anonymoustoo
why shouldn’t he appeal to women?
not all of them like to murder their offspring.
Excuse me “murder their offspring”. Just because someone is pro-choice it most certainly doesn’t mean they are pro-death as some of you pro-lifers like to play it off. I think most women and would hope men too(don’t waste too much time on that one myself) want the option of abortion to be available. That doesn’t mean they themselves would have an abortion.
Marshall has a chance against Warner?? Are you kidding me? Stop drinking the kool-aid and come back to reality. Instead of winning by 20% against Gilmore, Warner will beat Marshall by 30%.
Marshall won’t raise anywhere near the money he will need to in order to run a statewide campaign. Warner will bury him; except maybe in the 13th HOD district
Lafayette and Anonymoustoo,
Make that three in total agreement.
Furthermore, Bob Marshall opposes contraception. Now how does that fly with most Virginians? And don’t think for a second this dirty little secret will not be brought out.
The new state song can be ‘Carry Me Back to the Dark Ages,’ should Marshall be elected as a U.S. Senator.
PWConservative, I don’t think Marshall has to worry about “mis-characterizations” by liberals. His record will speak for itself and it’s far-right and looney.
Abortion is not something that some woman considers on the spur of the moment and says, “Oh, gee, what can I do today? I think I’ll run out and have an abortion!” And as long as the looney right thinks that that’s the MO of most women, you’ll continue to lose.
And we remember the Hugh Finn case as well. Keep that lunatic out of our hospital rooms!!! Though we may not all be capable of becoming pregnant (half the population is male), we’re all gonna die and I don’t think we want some zealot on our deathbeds.
Lafayette, I guess we just gave PWConservative two Independents’ opinions!
I see you sneaked in as I was typing, Dolph. Yes…three.
anonymoustoo,
I don’t want anyone near me on my deathbed. Please, let me die peacefully. Let’s not forget Terry Schiavo(sp?) in Florida.
I’ve got a Living Will, Medical Power of Attorney, Do Not Resistate order, etc. Don’t keep me around to be “Debbie Downer” for my family/loved ones.
I think I am peril.
Still think if the RPVA wants to support Gilmore or Marshall, they should cede the election and just donate all that money to a good cause - roads would be good.
My living will does say “spare no expense”, though.
Dolph,
“Furthermore, Bob Marshall opposes contraception. Now how does that fly with most Virginians? And don’t think for a second this dirty little secret will not be brought out.
Interesting article to go with interesting video.”
It should come out…..
http://www.roanoke.com/roatimes/news/story162759.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6k4RrKNk7s
redawn,
I hope all take the time to watch the video and read the article. It’s not easier to listen to or hear now, then it was the first time. Love Canals/Frat Boys what the hell. This guy is a total nut about this crap.
Layfayette,
Yes and as far as my understanding goes, he considers ALL contraception a chemical abortion ( even the pill)…Dolph is the one that can back this up with facts. She has taught me a thing or two or three…
I typoed on your name…urggg
Lafayette - couldn’t agree more, totally, completely, un-equivocly…..
redawn,
Yeah, the dolph enlightened me too.
One Voice,
Thank you as always. I mean honestly those comments are from the 50’s. IMHO
Ha ha. With Marshall there’s no hiding his record. It’s there in all its glory and lunacy. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a youtube satire of the “love canal” comment…if it hasn’t already been done.
anonymoustoo,
Are you saying he should look into PREVENTIVE measures?
wink
Ladies(dolph, redawn, one voice, and anonymoustoo),
You know Delegate Marshall has been known to appear here on bvbl as a “poster”. I saw him about 10-11pm on a Saturday before the elections. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.
Krusty,
Where the heck are you? I know we agree on this one.
Redawn, he might want to abort his run for the Senate. (Groan.)
Let’s see if we can put a barrier between him and that seat.
anonymoustoo,
The next time I sit down on that unknown throne ( from webster’s online dictionary:the chair of state of a sovereign or high dignitary (as a bishop) b: the seat of a deity) I will whistle while I work and thrown my wish into the well :).
I left out : your comment made me think of the BARRIER one would use in the public restroom
Redawn, lol!
I look at the topic and think “Bob Marshall on TOP”. Ha ha. How could anyone think otherwise…it’s so missionary.
anonymoustoo,
yes and I am sure his supporters will say ” Don’t mess with a missionary man”( Eurythmics)
ok, Greg is going to upset with us getting OFF topic. I am done
LOL
God what an idiot.
First of all Delegate Marshall, “hoi polloi” itself means “the many”, or “the people” - usually in a contemptuous sense - “the” is not necessary. Second of all, you used “hoi polloi” incorrectly. When you stated “I guess that’s where the hoi polloi (ed. note - and he had the class to mispronounce “polloi”) decided it would go” you meant to say “I guess that’s where the elite decided it would go.” You managed to sound like a buffoon and insult your constituents at the same time!
Ok, that was only the first minute. Let’s see how how much worse this slow, arrogant man can get.
Redawn and Anonymoustoo,
I don’t think you all were off topic at all. Plus, I rather enjoyed the frivolous exchange. You all were getting quite clever. Ah, those rascally plays on words. I know you all were just warming up.
Yes, where is Krusty? Krusty, the Choice-chix have called you out to play!
~~splash~~
Bob Marshall is against ABORTION, chemical or otherwise. The Pill is NOT contraception it is a chemical abortion and to anontoo dolph and Lafayette I did NOT get the opinion of three independents i got the opinion of three twisted, morality free, Communists
PWConservative said on 17 Dec 2007 at 10:57 pm:
Nothing like having to resort to calling a TRUE AMERICAN a Communist. You are the one who is “twisted”, and as for morals you seem a little lacking in your last post. I guess that’s what you have to resort to when someone doesn’t agree with you.
That’s right Bob Marshall wants to inflict his extreme beliefs on the body of female in Virginia, and now maybe our great nation.
Government doesn’t belong in my bedroom or telling a female they must carry a child even in instances of rape, etc. Well, that’s simply cruel and unusual punishment to the victim.
Conservative is one thing and religious zealot types are another(IMHO) Afterall it’s the female’s body not the governments.
I quite frankly give no credibility to those that want to resort to childish name calling.
You don’t me, and have no right what so ever to question my morality.
corr
You don’t KNOW me,…..
PWC conservative,
By all means, you should stay away from things that violate your morals.
However, mine are just fine and I will not have you stand in judgement of them. Who gives you the right to play God? You have tipped your hand as to true motives and your brand of Christianity, if that is what is motivating you, is not mine. You have not been given permission to exercise moral authority over me or the rest of the women in Virginia.
Mr PWC conservative - Well, well, whatta yu know! The three twisted, morality free, Communists (capital C yet!) have just been joined by a fourth. Sorry, Chix, I didn’t even look at this thread yesterday. The headline didn’t seem interesting.
PWCC is definitely from the dark ages. Is he married? If so, does he have children? If so, how many? If not many, how avoided? Coitus interruptus, maybe? Contraception= less unwanted pregnancies= fewer abortions! Isn’t that the idea? If “Planned Parenthood”s goal could be reached, every child would be planned. Utopia, of course, but something to strive for.
It’s amazing how many Republicans want less government interference in our lives, yet think it’s perfectly OK to enact rules of such intensely private affairs as sex and childbearing.
Keep up the good work, Chix!
(time for my comfort bowl of oatmeal&maple syrup)
I would suggest that wanting to protect innocent lives from being deliberately snuffed out is not at all tantamount to playing God. One might well argue, as I would, that terminating the existence of an innocent person through morally suspect medical efforts subverts God from fulfilling any plans he might have for them. It’s not a matter of “playing God”, it’s a matter of not wantonly trying to subvert His intentions.
I don’t presume to understand why God allows this to happen, and recognize that if it were His wish he could put an end to this immediately in a rather stunning display of His awesome might and power, or perhaps more subtly in causing people to choose not to participate in this practice. It’s awfully hard for us to understand what’s happening here and what the plan is, but much less difficult to grasp what He commands us to do, or not to do.
So without a lightning bolt from the heavens, or a host of angels ready to dictate policy to us, or similar undeniable display, what is someone to do who is trying to the best of their ability to lead a God-pleasing life to do?
The Bible is pretty clear that if God wanted to end an innocent persons existence for some reason, he is fully capable of making that happen without our intervention. At the same time, those who work to relieve suffering, heal the sick, and preserve life are repeatedly demonstrated to be great examples of those following God’s direction. Jesus healed the sick, raised the dead, and relieved suffering on many occasions. Not once did he terminate a life, although in numerous instances my terribly imperfect perception would make me think it would have been a good thing to do. Taking out Herod after the birth of Jesus would have been something I’d have little problem with, but God chose otherwise. I might not understand why, but I have to trust it was the right thing.
Similarly, millions of innocent babies are murdered in my view every year before they have a chance to be born. I don’t know why it’s allowed to happen. It seems abhorrent. It’s another one of those innumerable and unexplainable tragedies that our earthly experience encompasses, without any apparent reason to comfort those of us currently trapped here on earth and subject to the death and suffering implicit upon it.
This isn’t a “brand of Christianity” thing, or at least it shouldn’t be. It’s not like the Bible gives us conflicting direction about how God feels about this. The last I checked, Jesus wasn’t telling folks they can justifiably avoid the inconvenience of parenthood by ripping the life of a child out of a womb before it was born.
I must sensitive to the notion that this is an improper attempt to exercise authority over the legal autonomy of women. God’s direction makes sense well beyond the words of the Bible, which gives believers an opportunity to argue public policy arguments external to a reliance on faith. If it’s the right thing, there should be (and always is) a lot more than the Word to demonstrate the case.
I find that autonomy argument somewhat dubious, as in this case the exercise of that autonomy requires the practice of terminating an innocent life. Although carrying a child to birth may sometimes be inconvenient for whatever reason, the solution to that inconvenience should not require the death of an obviously innocent person. You don’t need to reach for a Bible to realize this, although that can help.
If life is more precious than simple possessions, we can’t treat other lives as if they are nothing more than possessions. The moral authority for that argument isn’t something that requires an explicit grant of permission from the Word, it is simply the inescapable logical conclusion that God’s creation inevitably leads us to, even if that path is long, arduous, and depressingly lined with the countless corpses of the most innocent among us. “Choose death” is not an idea that can possibly resonate within our God-given logic, nor our souls. Love, and life, is the only place where our minds and souls can comfortably rest.
OH, MY GOSH!!!
Pro-lifers
I guess you pro-lifers(and some have gone as far as to call us God-less). I’m sure they’ll be spitting the venom later.
1)How do you all feel about these doctors at fertility clinics playing “God” making babies outside of the human body?
2)Or them do what’s known as “micro sort” which sorting the sperm to make sure a woman has a male or female child?
3)Or couples that continue to throw their money away trying to have a baby?
These fertility clinics are more than happy to take their payment and from their insurance company’s too. These
poor folks should realize maybe, God is trying to tell them something. Hmm.
Krusty,
We missed you last night!
I’m sure after last nights comments, the snakes will come slithering out of their holes. This should be interesting as always, and we know the childish uncredible “name calling” will begin. Pathetic!
Some in society seem to not care about these children or want to help them once they are born, that is the same as “choosing death”?
I am pro-life. Including after birth. The logic must continue after birth or it is false.
Lafayette
I have been called god-less becuase I am a registered Democrat. Not very God-like at all.
One Voice,
I’ve made it very clear before. I wish some would realize just because something is legal doesn’t mean I would do it(abortion).
I am all for adoption, and feel these children deserve a decent life. My cousin and his wife have 6 boys(their’s). They really wanted a girl, and adopted a little girl from Guatemala. I say more power to them. One child is quite enough for this woman.
You will probably be the “One Voice of Reason” on the prolife side.
One Voice said on 18 Dec 2007 at 7:42 am:
Lafayette
I have been called god-less becuase I am a registered Democrat. Not very God-like at all.
That’s just it these extremist are not God-like at all when they make hateful comments like they do. I mean honestly, I’ve been called many names on here before. However, to call me Communist takes the cake. I don’t think that’s very God-like either, and I think that’s a real shame.
I wonder if all of those fine Americans have their flag displayed properly. I would be willing to bet not all do. To me improper displaying of the flag is communistic behavior. Hmm.
I have zero respect for pro-lifers when their concern and religion ends at birth. It is sooooo easy to have an opinion up to that point. Religion doesn’t end at any point, unless you have a Religion of convenience, I don’t. Religionof convenience also allows you to have a lack of convictions and lack of ethics as it suits the situation.
No, they are not God-like at all, they’ve just passed the convenience point of their religion. Always look for the folks with the strong convictions and continued consistancy, they will be respectful even in their disagreements.
I, too was called a communist once, because I thought the mailing was inappropriate use of tax dollars. Chin up.
I’m a god-less realist/feminist whose sister works for CPS and can tell some real horror stories about unwanted/uncared-for kiddos. Where are all the bleeding hearts after her clients give birth? Nowhere to be found. In fact, they’d probably be the people who would be quick to call her clients “welfare queens”.
If there were not different brands of Christianity, there would not be different denominations. My religion does not prohibit the use of contraception. Even if it did, I would not want to see my religion mandate its moral position on those who do not share those beliefs.
Basically, not all of us share the same beliefs. Why should one set of beliefs trump another in a country founded, in part, on religious freedom?
Virginians must decide who they want making deeply personal decisions for them. I do not give the state or strangers the right to make those choices for me. Virginians are fiercely independent. I expect that most feel perfectly capable of making their own morally appropriate decisions regarding reproduction.
Ah, but Dolph, there is a great deal of discussion on the founding fathers opinon. Most of them were Deists.
This should start a discussion…
What do you do on Sunday One Voice, Dolph, Lafayette, Krusty, redawn? It would be a good bet it doesn’t include going to church. There is a direct correlation between what political party you favor and how often you go to church. It is the biggest discriminator.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-06-02-religion-gap_x.htm
So does Democrat = godless? Not necessarily, but possibly indicates someone who has fallen by the wayside and lost sight of their purpose here on earth. I will be praying for you all.
Una Voce said on 18 Dec 2007 at 9:18 am:
What do you do on Sunday One Voice, Dolph, Lafayette, Krusty, redawn? It would be a good bet it doesn’t include going to church.
If you were the “God fearing” one you and other like you claim to be, you wouldn’t care how another worships. A persons relationship with God or their God is PERSONAL. I am of a belief some sort of religion is better than none. Furthermore, I’m no Dem or Repub.. I’m an INDEPENDENT to the core!!
Oh it must be great to be “holier than thou”. Keep your hate of others religion and certainly mine to yourself.
Please, I need NO prayers from those of the likes of you!
Lafayette - Skip the discussion, it does not rise to any addressable standard. These are the folks that never miss Sunday morning because it’s more important to be seen on Sunday than it is to do anything on a Wednesday. So much for the correlation. Salvation is the key. It has to be earned not proven.
Una Voce,
We all don our commie pinko uniforms, get together and pray that you will stop being judgement of people you know nothing about? Yea, that’s the ticket!
~~~sarcasm button OFF now~~~
I rest my case. Una Voce apparently wants to decide what is best for the rest of us. Typical.
Correction: judgementAL
Dolph - Yea, remind me to take my pinko uniform to the cleaners before our next bash!
Dolph
I like the hi-jacking of my name. I must have hit a nerve with my earlier post. LOL Guess even though I am pro-life I am now God-less and painted with the same brush as pro-choice. I am confused. But feel better being assoicated with you, Krusty and Lafayette as opposed to the sanctimonious Una Voce (English spoken here, please)
Must say I find it difficult to follow some of the logic thrown out here. Not worth the discussion as it can’t stay on point.
One Voice,
You are the “One Voice of Reason” for this thread.
IGNORE BUTTON.is fully ACTIVATED. I must remember you can’t reason with radical. IMHO
And I am in English. Yes, ignore, wait for a discussion more worthy of your skills and one where some respect is shown for you.
One Voice (the one and ONLY),
Nerve-hitting must be the order of the day. I must have hit a major one also.
Pressing 1 for English now….
I suppose the fact that One Voice describes herself as pro-life and I describe myself as pro-choice and that we both have mutual respect for each other has been overlooked by many of this blog?
Isn’t it amazing what TOLERANCE and RESPECT do for an exchange of ideas?
Too deep Dolph, that requires a frontal lobe as well as, well this is mixed company.
It is nice to see you ladies high jacked another thread.
Perhaps, some are re-thinking their un-Christian like rantings.
“Una Voce said on 18 Dec 2007 at 9:18 am:
What do you do on Sunday One Voice, Dolph, Lafayette, Krusty, redawn? It would be a good bet it doesn’t include going to church.”
Well, on Sunday, I don’t play church. My relationship between me and the Lord is a personal one. HE is the one that knows my heart and the ONLY one I have to answer to.
It is shame that a person is going to burn in hell for unsing birth control pills???????????????????????????
Eve - hopefully you are right. It’s not good for the image here.
Eve,
I consider our subject to be very much on topic. We are discussing one of Delegate Marshall’s main legislative goals. When he comes on here for his read, perhaps he can deny that is what he wants to do.
~~splash~~
One Voice of Reason: Amen, it’s not good for the image here.
Dolph: Check those peeps of yours there was a grin. Yes, you all are very on topic. I couldn’t help noticing the opposition has kept their months closed lately. BTW- I think that’s a good thing. Fear not little lady I am on your side.
Eve,
Oh I knew…I was punctuating…~~splash~~
Yes, it is quiet.
I guess everyone is gearing up for the big pow wow this afternoon. After all, Mom will be there with the dress police and everyone must look their very best. It is nice to know we still have standards here in Pr Wm. I wonder if Lafayette will wear her red dress for the Christmas season. Oooops…now THAT was off topic.
Dolph: Are you sure you aren’t a cat.
Eve,
Only on Saturdays.
~~splash~~
Lafayette
How are my morals twisted?
and How am I Playing God
I’m not the one defending the Homicide (homicide def “the killing of one human by another”) of innocent infants.
according to your logic, outlawing lynching was “playing God”
The father of medicine, Hippocrates, expressly prohibited abortion in his ethical Oath long before Christianity, Was he “Playing God”???
Do you folks in the Pro-life crowd believe in capital punishment?
That’s killing too. This should be interesting.
The point to be made is that life does not end at birth. Can you honestly say you support life after birth? Or is it at that point you feel free to become judgemental about the value of specific life? I have been around more than my share of pro-lifers since I am one and there is definitely a split in the thinking on this issue. As I said, it is easier to be seen in Church on Sunday than perform some act of kindness on Wednesday. If the only argument here is going to relate to the “being seen on Sunday”, it’s not worth anyone’s time. Pro-life is a philosophy and a lifestyle, not a stump for speeches.
This does evenutally leads to the death penalty, which I the god-less, registered Democrat, pro lifer, communist person also support in some cases and now that we have DNA analysis.
Dolph, This is for you : it’s hard to walk in someone’s shoes with your legs crossed, isn’t it?
( the other argument form another time/ thread)
Dolph, This is for you : it’s hard to walk in someone’s shoes with your legs crossed, isn’t it?
( the other argument form another time/ thread)
Eve
No not all Pro-Lifers support the death penalty but I do. Here’s Why
There is a difference between an unborn child who has done nothing to deserve a painful death, And a Person who has been given a chance at life, who has made the choice to murder someone willfully. Sometimes the only punishment we can give is capitol punishment, so as to deter other would be criminals
(P.S. check out Mike Huckabee’s responce to this question
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVqEKX1JyzY&eurl=http://www.youtube.com/republicandebate
One Voice asks some very important questions. All too often I have seen the very people who howl about abortion also howl about social programs that provide for poor families, increased spending on schools, and other quality of life issues.
Unless a person can say that they are willing to adopt a handicapped or non-white child, provide the funding necessary for schools, meals, child care etc., I dismiss their protests.
Unless a person is open to contraception being available for all sexually active people, I dismiss their protests.
You cannot have it both ways.
PWCon,
I thank you for posting the video. I did look at it was very hard to hear, and I have no use for someone billed as “Religious Conservative” or anyone else claiming to be a conservative. You all are human beings too, and I’m sure YOU ALL have sinned. Who knows maybe some of you radicals feel so strongly about abortion, because you’ve had one. I have to draw the conclusion some of you have been mentally screwed in the head for having had an abortion. I would also like to include the “sperm donors” in this statement.
Dolph
Yes there are many parents who adopt non-white kids, and yes there are some with disorders like autism, and yes some choose to Homeschool them and not put them on SS.
PWConservative:
And? Your point?
to clarify my position on contraception, i believe it’s okay if it does not involve post conceptual extermination.
# Lafayette said on 18 Dec 2007 at 9:32 am:
Una Voce said on 18 Dec 2007 at 9:18 am:
What do you do on Sunday One Voice, Dolph, Lafayette, Krusty, redawn? It would be a good bet it doesn’t include going to church.
If you were the “God fearing” one you and other like you claim to be, you wouldn’t care how another worships. A persons relationship with God or their God is PERSONAL. I am of a belief some sort of religion is better than none. Furthermore, I’m no Dem or Repub.. I’m an INDEPENDENT to the core!!
Oh it must be great to be “holier than thou”. Keep your hate of others religion and certainly mine to yourself.
Please, I need NO prayers from those of the likes of you!
1st of all, you are false in your idea that some religion is better than none. religion doesn’t save you. forgiveness of sin through Jesus Christ does. but when you accept Jesus into your heart you change, you don’t want to sin, you want to please Christ and so that is where social activism come’s in
2nd no one is saying they are Holier than thou, only God is Holy,so stop using that as a lame excuse
3rd I don’t care if you think you need it or not i’m still going to pray for you
PW Conservative,
Religion is personal. There’s nothing like claiming to be such a Christian, and then continue show hate not love. I will not ackwowledge attitude such as yours. Be damned if they don’t agree with you and your radical ways. Trust me I am quite comfortable with my relationship with God.
Why are you radicals so full of hate for others that don’t agree?
I would never put someone down just because they didn’t agree with me.
Your opinion is just that YOUR opinion, and I don’t have to agree with you or you with me. It’s called “agree to disagree”, it’s far more respectful. You live YOUR life the way YOU want, and I will live MINE as I want.
I truly wish you a Merry Christmas. Have a little heart, why don’t ya?
PW Con,
Are you are you Pastor?
Well, I have a Pastor, and I don’t need you or any other Pastor wannabe preaching to me. I do value other’s opinion. You should try it sometime. You might like it. I’m a very middle of the road person and do NOT wish to inflict my beliefs on another and attempt to belittle them. The doesn’t seem very Christian like in MY mind. Please, be nice!
corr:
THAT doesn’t seem very Christian like in MY mind.
Have a great day!
Many modern birth control pills prevent implantation in the uterine wall which is medically defined as conception. There is a medical difference between fertilization and conception.
This is simply not an area of interference that the American people are goinig to allow. If contraception offends anyone, then they should avoid it. If it is against their religious beliefs, they should avoid it.
Meanwhile, leave those of us whose religious beliefs are not violated alone. My religion has advocated responsible family planning for decades.
In reading this thread and others, it’s obvious to me why Independents are willing to support a moderate Republican such as Marty Nohe and NOT support the likes of a rabid right-winger such as Marshall. There’s a world of difference and I’ll bet that the far right will see those results in November. I know there will be a boogyman dragged out for everyone to hate before the election, and - surprise - it’s going to be an illegal alien. He/she is this election cycle’s Willy Horton. When there isn’t anything positive to offer the electorate and we’re mired in a war of the Republicans’ making and direction, offer hate and plenty of it!
where have I shown hate? and no I am not a Pastor
PWConservative asked where he/she has shown hate. How about the following:
‘The Pill is NOT contraception it is a chemical abortion and to anontoo dolph and Lafayette I did NOT get the opinion of three independents i got the opinion of three twisted, morality free, Communists.’
Calling the three of us twisted, morality free and communists constitutes hatred in my book. In fact, I would say you were down-right nasty. I wouldn’t say that to someone I didn’t know. You know nothing of my morals and I certainly am not a communist. I absolutely LOVE capitalism. As for being twisted, no telling what you would call twisted. Perhaps I am in your world.
“Una Voce said on 18 Dec 2007 at 9:18 am:
What do you do on Sunday One Voice, Dolph, Lafayette, Krusty, redawn? It would be a good bet it doesn’t include going to church.”
Ok, while we are at it…Una Voce, WHAT is the only thing YOU do on Sunday?
truth is not hate
PWConservative said , ‘truth is not hate.’ @9:26
PWC, you assume that you are special and therefore know the truth. That leads you to make libelous and defamatory statements about folks you don’t even know.
You have made hateful and nasty statements about the 3 of us. Perhaps we should be praying for you in hopes you might learn to exibit more Christian behavior, assuming that is your religion.
This is from another thread.
This blog is great for discussion, however the last few days there’s been too much name called and intolerance of others for my taste. I hope that changes some
I know there’s a thread with reference to fistshaped dildo(I appreciate the warning and all). Wow, I can’t believe such Christians would even look at something like that. Let alone post it here. What is going on here? Some sort of illness I’m just not sure what you would call it. Hmm.
i was merely pointing out communistic ideology, and to lafayette I agree, posting such content is offensive and leads us to question the sincerity of the poster’s Christianity. it has been interesting debating our idea’s but I for one am getting a little tired of the division.
To the Three Left-Leaning debaters. Merry Christmas and God Bless
PWConservative
Then how do you explain me being labeled as illogical and a liberal for pointing out such crudeness on another thread? (please go check the BOCS passes on Illegal Immigration Thread) I would be verrra interested in your response to my labeling when I pointed out such crudeness.
There are some here that when challenged resort to the religous fist claiming just about anything in the name of religion. In my opinion religion is a way of life. Not something you just say; something you act upon and believe and not just on Sunday morning. Muslim terrorists claim everything in the name of religion too, there is only one side and no debate allowed. I thought we were different?
If this thread is to provide citizens with a “lively debate” how does that meld with the three automatic responses when there is disagreement. Actually there are four now illegal alien apologist, un-christian, liberal and now communist. If anything contrary is posted to a thread one of those four responses are whipped out and slammed down. I thought we were different.
Sigh…
One Voicce
The Communist comment was rooted only in the historical origins of your Pro-Choice views
And no I don’t use Illegal Alien apologist as a response, considering my belief in the Bible and the Bible’s dealing with the need to be hospitable to foreigner’s, I am a BUSH Republican, meaning I don’t hate illegals, so don’t group me with the skinheads
Legalized abortion has it roots in Marxism, socialism, and egalitarianism. Lenin and his communist Bolsheviks were the first ones to widely and openly legalize and advocate abortion as a woman’s right. Communism viewed abortion as a vital part of implementing Marx’s and Engel’s Communist Manifesto and their desire for the “Abolition of the family!” and liberation of women who were oppressed by capitalism, marriage, and the family. Modern day Marxists are proud of their pro-abortion heritage and are still leading proponents of abortion as seen by the short article Marxism and Abortion. This article offers us the following insights on how Marxists view abortion – “A Marxist believes that personality and human value are imparted by the external and economic environment, not by any inherent spiritual value, or even by biological processes . . . . The fetus, according to a Marxist, becomes a person when he is judged as such by ‘someone of higher wisdom.’ The humanity of the fetus depends upon how the mother perceives the ‘social relationship’ that exists between them. If the mother desires to keep the baby, then she ‘fantasizes’ it into becoming a human being. But, if she does not want the pregnancy, ‘it is something else entirely.’ Her opinion of the fetus thereby denies it of personhood . . . . ‘Biological processes,’ says Albury, ‘do not carry automatic moral values as the Right to Life suggests . . . . Human economic, social and political relationships create moral values.’ . . . According to Albury, ‘Material conditions of life change, and so do moral values.’ This means that, to a Marxist, the unborn baby may be a human being for a time, but may then become depersonified and rendered ‘pre-human,’ all because his or her mother began to think differently about him or her. She adds: ‘Certainly, many women experience mixed feelings; the fantasy baby may even appear for a while. Women can tell it goodbye forever.’” The article concludes with this comment by Dr. John Whitehall: “The inhumanity of communism resides in this arbitrary assessment of human life, which is based on the Marxist valuation of certain social relationships. On this basis, millions have been told ‘goodbye’–from the purges of Russia , to the genocide in Cambodia , to the killings in the Philippines , and now to the unborn baby.” I can only agree with Dr. Whitehall’s comment and add that it is amazing that anyone, especially libertarians, would cling to anything associated with Marx’s thoroughly discredited theories. We have already had too many innocent lives needlessly sacrificed for the addle-brained utopian scheme of a classless worker’s paradise; we don’t need to add any more.
PWC,
RE: “…The humanity of the fetus depends upon how the mother perceives the ‘social relationship’ that exists between them. If the mother desires to keep the baby, then she ‘fantasizes’ it into becoming a human being. But, if she does not want the pregnancy, ‘it is something else entirely.”
I believe this is the human condition and defines how many women view pregnancy. I do not think it has anything to do with communism, marxism or any other monetary belief system.
My original remarks were regarding contraception. I do not debate abortion because it is such a complex issue with so many various views.
However, I deeply resent being called a communist because I believe in contraception and because I am politically pro-choice. I simply do not feel this is the way to exchange opinions. You obviously believe that the state should decide reproductive issues. I clearly do not. I believe each person is capable of making their own morally appropriate decisions based on that person’s own religious or ethical belief system.
my understanding was that you regarded a chemical abortion as contraception
We probably do not agree on the expression ‘chemical abortion.’
I do not consider the use of birth control pills chemical abortion. I consider it contraception. I would be extremely upset if anyone attempted to instill that kind of extremism on the rest of the population of Virginia. Furthermore, the people of Virginia would not accept it and it would probably be overruled because of the Griswold vs Connecticut Supreme Court decision.
i realized now that my definition of BC Pills was too broad, what I Am opposed to is the specific RU 483 chemical abortant
PWConservative,
I can accept and respect your opposition to RU 486, especially if you have a strong pro-life position.
I am politically pro choice and do not get into my personal feelings about abortion in any public forums. However, if one is opposed to abortion it makes perfect sense to be opposed also to the use of RU 486, since that is what it is.