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Save The Old Dominion On Lou Dobbs

By Greg L | 21 December 2007 | Illegal Aliens, Virginia Politics | 6 Comments

It’s always nice to have a chance to take a shot at Governor Kaine on his refusal to enroll Virginia in the Section 287(g) Program.



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  1. redawn said on 21 Dec 2007 at 9:59 pm:
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    Put up the link to the online petition re: him and the 287 g program

  2. JaJck Campbell said on 23 Dec 2007 at 5:33 am:
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    I’m proud of Virginians for finally standing up against illegal immigration. Get rid of Kane ASAP. Hes another traitor.

  3. Bl said on 26 Dec 2007 at 10:54 am:
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    1. There’s the “lettuce” argument — we’ll be paying $5/head (or starving) if we don’t have illegal aliens working in the fields. As Phil Martin, ag economist at UC Davis shows, the field labor cost in a $1 head of lettuce is about 6 cents. Triple those wages and Americans will do the jobs. (They’re not career positions. They’re seasonal jobs for young people, starting in the world of work. Growing up in Chicago in the 1950s and 1960s, I did similarly menial jobs.) And you’ll be paying 10% more for lettuce and other produce. Do you spend $1,000/year on produce? OK, you’ll pay $100 more.

    The lettuce argument also parallels that for the retention of slavery.

    2. There’s the “everyone’s an immigrant except for the ‘Native Americans’” argument. Well, the American Indians didn’t sprout from the land, they came across the Bering land bridge from Asia. So if the criterion is “You’re an immigrant if you had an ancestor who immigrated here,” then American Indians are immigrants, too.

    In that case, “immigrant” is no longer a useful word, since EVERYONE’s an immigrant.

    But actually, I’m not an immigrant — I was born in Chicago and have no other “native land” to return to. And, surely, most of the commenters here aren’t immigrants.

    3. There’s the “the U.S. stole the southwest” argument. Well, the land in dispute was “owned” by Spain for a couple of centuries. Then by Mexico for about 25 years. During these periods, there weren’t more than a few thousand Spaniards or Mexicans in the entire territory. It’s been owned by the U.S. for about 160 years now, much longer than Mexico’s reign. And the U.S. has actually done something with the land, made it habitable for tens of millions. As Robert Kaplan has described, the difference between American and Mexican “twin cities” straddling the border is like night and day, yet the land is obviously the same. It’s not the dirt that’s important, it’s the people. Put another way, if culture didn’t matter, Mexico and Central America would be paradise.

    4. There’s the “illegal aliens pay tons of taxes” argument. Sure, they all pay real estate taxes (in rent) and sales taxes (most states). Those working on the books (typically using stolen Social Security numbers) pay FICA and, perhaps, income taxes. But they’re mostly ill-educated and low-skilled and pay very low taxes connected to their working — in fact, many claim the Earned Income Tax Credit, i.e. negative income tax! If a family with both parents working has two kids in school, that’s at least $15k/year just for schooling, way more than the taxes on, say, $35k/year aggregate income.

    Robert Rector at the Heritage Foundation has done the systematic accounting on all this. A typical household headed by a low-skilled illegal alien is a net drain of about $20k/year for the rest of us, year after year. (Low-skilled Americans are a similar burden, but they’re part of the national family, not gate crashers from other societies.)

    5. There’s the “illegal immigration is bad, but legal immigration is terrific” argument. Nope. If that were the case, legalizing (i.e. amnestying) the illegal aliens would solve the problem. But they’d still be (on average) low-skilled workers whose burden on the rest of us would continue. In fact, once legal they’d be able to access more public benefits programs, so their cost to the rest of us would actually rise substantially.

    In short, most of the problems of mass illegal immigration are shared by mass legal immigration.

    Finally, I offer my distilled observations of what mass immigration is doing to our country based on living in southern California 1996 - 2005, before I fled the madness:

    - The flood of immigrants drives wages and living conditions in our central cities toward those of the Third World.

    - The influx imposes both sprawl and gridlock on our metropolitan areas.

    - Immigrant families needing services overwhelm our schools, taxpayer-funded healthcare facilities, and other public agencies.

    - Those requiring services don’t assimilate and, instead, expect to be served in their native languages.

    - American civic culture frays as each ethnic group establishes its own grievance lobby and pushes for preferences.

    - Communicable diseases such as tuberculosis (new, drug-resistant strains) return.

    - Shortages of water and other resources loom, especially in immigration-blitzed Southwest.

  4. Pam Steadman said on 26 Dec 2007 at 12:36 pm:
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    This is the first time that I have ever looked at my own country with complete disgust. Our leaders are nothing more than greedy and corrupt figureheads in a country that is already down the tubes as far as the rest of the world is concerned.

    Yet we continue to send our young men and women to The Middle East to fight for America’s Greatness.” We fight in Iraq to make IT a better place, yet we could care less about our own. It is so very sad…they are being used as nothing more than pawns for this egotistical nation of ours. God bless them all…they are the ONLY component that makes this country worth while.

    Bush and Congress smugly allow illegal aliens to blatently cross our borders with little regard to ANY of us LEGAL citizens who are paying taxes and trying our damnest to make it right for our families.

    My sister in law’s husband cannot find a job as a roofer because of the constant hiring of illegals the last five years or more for little wages.
    What part of dumb and dumber can’t our elected officials and these greed meisters not understand?
    Employers are hiring illegals to make their bank accounts fatter, while preying off Americans who truly need jobs.

    What will happen when those thousands of injured American soldiers start looking for those “menial” jobs that our dimwitted president says nobody wants? Nobody even thinks ahead now days, do they?
    There is a special place in hell for all of these elitist, pompous, and very greedy folks…and I can only wish them a speedy journey on down there!

  5. Michael said on 27 Dec 2007 at 10:22 pm:
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    Greg, great job, you said a lot in a few seconds and said it well.

    BL, extremely well said, calm, unbiased and solid on the real issues to American citizens that pro-illegal lobbyists just don’t get yet. Traitors to the nation all of them.

    And Pam you are so right. We are all disgusted with our current leadership’s lack of leadership, lack of ethics and lack of political backbone to enforce our laws. The social engineers of our political past are going to learn the hard way how ignorant their “privilege” philosophy based on race, gender, ethnic and religious groups really is to the general welfare of our society. We need to be focused on taking care of “individuals” with equitable and enforceable laws applied equally to everyone.

  6. Pam Steadman said on 24 Jan 2008 at 3:42 pm:
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    The last few weeks I have been reading mind boggling letters-to-the-editor. One is from a woman who infers that most of this area’s blue collar workers are basically lazy. Another letter comes right out and calls concerned legal Americans names because these Americans want to hold accountable those in office who look the other way while refusing to submit pertinent information until pressed by their constituents. “Help Protect Culpeper” is called a racist and biased organization because it questions the motivation behind many businesses in the hiring of illegal immigrants.

    I, too, find a myriad of offensiveness going in and around Culpeper. I see it as a slap in the face that I, a tax paying citizen, cannot question the outrageous lawlessness, at all levels, that is going on in this country.
    An illegal alien hacked another illegal neighbor with a machete here in Culpeper. If I had butchered up my husband with a machete attack, it would have been all over every newspaper in the country! But because of some sort of “protectiveness” mentality towards illegals here in Culpeper, the attack was only mentioned in a small paragraph in another section of the paper! Not only was this illegal let off (probably because the victim chose not to show up at his hearing), but at the end, he was let out of jail. Would I be allowed to roam the streets of Culpeper even if my husband decided not to press charges against me? I think not!

    Once a proud nation, we have become a country of hypocrites, holier-than-thous, and apathetic “I don’t want to get involved” citizens. We would much rather watch “American Idol “than admit that perhaps we indeed ARE the American Idle on many issues coming up in the next elections.

    We are heading into a recession and jobs are becoming scarce. Again, I am outraged, not only because the jobs most likely will not be going to the legal blacks, Caucasians, Asians, or Hispanic blue collar workers. I am outraged FOR the illegal that is being used and abused by companies wanting to line their own pockets. Close friends of mine in Colorado and Arizona have told me sad tales of how many illegals, working on the inside and the outside of clients homes, are being told not to take lunch breaks or even take cool drinks offered to them. These poor souls are warned that if they dare sit upon the furniture of their clients, that they will be fired because there are so many more where they came from! This isn’t just happening in the western states, it is happening all over America…because we are allowing it to happen. This is exactly why I question and am holding accountable unscrupulous employers and sanctimonious politicians

    That being said, my sympathy is limited when I see arrogant organizations such as “Mexicans Without Borders,” “The ACLU,” and “La Raza” push the illegal out into marches demanding the very same rights that our citizens and forefathers have worked so very hard for. My British friends had to wait in line to become American citizens. So did my good Chinese friend in NJ. What is wrong with expecting our country to secure its borders, especially with our border agents being killed and/or sent to prison for only doing their jobs. Is our country not at war with terrorists?

    Until we all start looking closely and asking questions concerning issues regarding illegal immigration, we might as well kiss any semblance of a once respected nation goodbye forever.

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