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Christmas Vacation Open Thread

By Greg L | 23 December 2007 | Uncategorized | 271 Comments

I’m away visiting family where the internet access is problematic at best. While I’m gone, take a stab at being a blogger and keep your fellow readers up to speed on what’s happening by posting on this thread. Keep your fellow readers aptly entertained and informed, and you may be subjected to an invitation to join the BVBL team. Just a warning, folks.

If I can manage to beg, borrow, or otherwise obtain internet access at convenient times, I may be checking in with a story during this week if there’s anything meaningful going on during this period of general blog doldrums. Don’t count on it though.

Have a very Merry Christmas, folks!



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271 Comments

  1. Feliz Navidad fro said on 23 Dec 2007 at 5:33 am:
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    http://s75.photobucket.com/albums/i292/babydoc2006/?action=view&current=FelizNavidad.flv

  2. Feliz Navidad from the RNRBC said on 23 Dec 2007 at 5:40 am:
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    http://s75.photobucket.com/albums/i292/babydoc2006/?action=view&current=FelizNavidad.flv

  3. Loudoun said on 23 Dec 2007 at 7:03 am:
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    Feliz Navidad - what is the point of this video?

  4. legal2 said on 23 Dec 2007 at 7:52 am:
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    Check out the good news regarding FAIR in Iowa - http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071223/NATION/853291937/1001

  5. Feliz Navidad from the RNRBC said on 23 Dec 2007 at 7:56 am:
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    Sometimes I just can’t withstand the desolation and despair I face at that front door all alone. So I thought I’d share.

  6. Jane D'oh! said on 23 Dec 2007 at 8:41 am:
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    legal2 said on 23 Dec 2007 at 7:52 am:

    Check out the good news regarding FAIR in Iowa

    ——

    Good grief, illegal alien defenders are predictable with the hysterical name calling.

    There’s anti-immigrant, fear-mongering, divisive, intolerant, dangerous, extreme, poisonous, racist, hateful….. The only ones missing that I can think of are bigoted and xenophobic, but maybe those accusations just didn’t make it into the article.

    I don’t know who they’re trying to win over with that type of talk but it sure doesn’t go over very well with the average person.

    It’s old. It’s absurd.

    Wish they’d get a new play book.

  7. G Man said on 23 Dec 2007 at 9:08 am:
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    STOP THE PRESSES - This is BIG news: In a stunning departure of AP Styleguide requirements, the Washington Post today actually called an anti-illegal immigration group (insert drum roll here) ….. an anti-illegal immigration group. Perhaps the first (and hopefully not last) acknowledgement by the Post that the activity of invading our country is actually illegal, this recognition was made in an article concerning the Save the Old Dominion group.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2007/12/22/ST2007122202313.html?hpid=moreheadlines

    But let us not get overcome with glee. In the article the Post couldn’t help itself from taking a swipe at Greg, maybe as payback for his Tim Craig outing. Anybody who is familar with HSM knows the real story on Greg advancing funds out of own pocket for organizational expenses (like buying T shirts) at a critical time in his own personal financial situation, then encouraging members to donate to HSM (reimbursing him for HSM expenses).

    I also recommend reading the comment following the story from asmith1 concerning an illegal who worked for a local home improvement company going back to her house and raping her. It appears the media is hiding the identity of the firm that hired him.

  8. Anonymous said on 23 Dec 2007 at 9:22 am:
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    “”Do we need another organization? I don’t think so,” said Phil Jones, co-director of Help Save Virginia. Although the organizations have overlapping policy goals and include many of the same members, Jones accused Letiecq of starting Save the Old Dominion for “personal fame and glory.” The group’s debut landed Letiecq an appearance Wednesday on CNN’s “Lou Dobbs Tonight,” on which he told viewers that moneyed special interests stand in the way of reform.

    “He’s kind of run off in his own direction,” Jones said. He said Help Save Virginia members were upset when Letiecq recently sought member donations to cover his personal expenses because he was dedicating more time to activism.

    “A grass-roots organization isn’t the proper place to solicit funds for personal gain,” Jones said. “If you’re going to line your pockets as a ’salaried’ employee, there are certain rules you just have to follow.”"

    If you call that a swipe, G Man, you are prone to understatement…

  9. G Man said on 23 Dec 2007 at 9:34 am:
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    Anonymous said on 23 Dec 2007 at 9:22 am

    What’s you point?

  10. G Man said on 23 Dec 2007 at 9:34 am:
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    Anonymous said on 23 Dec 2007 at 9:22 am

    “your” point

  11. Moving to Arizona said on 23 Dec 2007 at 9:43 am:
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    Taking away the carrot and giving them the stick actually works:
    http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/22/immigrants.leave.ap/index.html

  12. One Voice said on 23 Dec 2007 at 9:53 am:
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    The GA will have to decide which group, HSV or HSOD they choose to associate with as it will be a reflection upon them. Does Mr. Jones have such a website linked to him?

    So much fun to watch….. :)

  13. G Man said on 23 Dec 2007 at 9:58 am:
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    One Voice stop being a voyeur.

  14. One Voice said on 23 Dec 2007 at 10:09 am:
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    The sordid and sensational attracts all kinds of people for many many reasons. As as only one opinion is acceptable here; it promotes watching and watching…….

  15. Poetic Justice said on 23 Dec 2007 at 10:37 am:
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    It isn’t especially odd,
    Greg’s pissed off the state-level squad,
    He asked them for dough, and they said hell no,
    But we’ll Help Save Manassas from SOD

  16. josh said on 23 Dec 2007 at 11:15 am:
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    More christmas cheer from arizona, this time from my old stomping grounds in scottsdale, I’m curious when our local/state government is going to get a clue:

    http://www.azcentral.com/community/scottsdale/articles/1223immigration1223.html

    while localities in arizona are roping the illegals in and shipping them out, we are catering too them. Sounds like a crappy deal to me.

  17. Herndon Bob said on 23 Dec 2007 at 11:39 am:
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    The other news from Arizona is fun also. Where can we find more judges like this one?

    http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/1223sanctions-excerpts1223.html

  18. 999 said on 23 Dec 2007 at 11:42 am:
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    legal2 said on 23 Dec 2007 at 7:52 am:
    Check out the good news regarding FAIR in Iowa

    Hope they keep up the pressure…. and in fact, step it up a notch or two and do the same for every state’s primary/caucus! There is much to lose if they don’t.

  19. 999 said on 23 Dec 2007 at 11:46 am:
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    Moving to Arizona said on 23 Dec 2007 at 9:43 am:
    Taking away the carrot and giving them the stick actually works:

    Head ‘em up and move ‘em out!!!!!

  20. josh said on 23 Dec 2007 at 1:14 pm:
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    i’m sending Sheriff Joe a christmas card this year, a little late, but i think he deserves one for help ridding the state of the illegal’s.

  21. ddpdrinker said on 23 Dec 2007 at 1:40 pm:
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    Potomac News, today, 12/23, article Manassas Drive Closed By Wreck - Andre Filipe Hernandez-Arango Age 22, his Honda Accord crossed yellow line on Manassas Drive - hit a Ford Escape and a van. Alcohol and speed a factor. According to court records …. Same guy … 4/07 No drivers license - fined $100; 9//07 No drivers license AND doing 69MPH in 45 zone - fined $100. Court case was 11/07, did they check his legal status? This time alcohol and speed are involved. The Courts need to do more with this!!! Is he here legally and does he have a license now?? If they let him go again will he kill someone next time???

  22. Krusty said on 23 Dec 2007 at 2:09 pm:
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    Somehow Batty’s Christmas greeting has been removed, as has Anonymous’ and my responses. Just as well!

  23. One Voice said on 23 Dec 2007 at 2:26 pm:
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    K - it’s on the Story Behind the Story thread. :)

  24. 999 said on 23 Dec 2007 at 2:58 pm:
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    Krusty said on 23 Dec 2007 at 2:09 pm:
    Somehow Batty’s Christmas greeting has been removed, as has Anonymous’ and my responses. Just as well!

    MAGIC!!!!!

  25. 999 said on 23 Dec 2007 at 3:03 pm:
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    ddpdrinker said on 23 Dec 2007 at 1:40 pm:
    If they let him go again will he kill someone next time???

    That’s what he working his way up to. Should have gone to jail after the first offense. Like that illegal in Virginia Beach that killed two girls. How many time do you have to be caught DUI. NO LICENSE ETC. ETC. BEFORE YOU ARE GIVEN MORE THAN A SLAP ON THE WRIST.

  26. Anonymous said on 23 Dec 2007 at 3:06 pm:
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    ddpdrinker said on 23 Dec 2007 at 1:40 pm:
    Potomac News, today, 12/23, article Manassas Drive Closed By Wreck - Andre Filipe Hernandez-Arango Age 22, his Honda Accord crossed yellow line on Manassas Drive - hit a Ford Escape and a van. Alcohol and speed a factor. According to court records …. Same guy … 4/07 No drivers license - fined $100; 9//07 No drivers license AND doing 69MPH in 45 zone - fined $100. Court case was 11/07, did they check his legal status? This time alcohol and speed are involved. The Courts need to do more with this!!! Is he here legally and does he have a license now?? If they let him go again will he kill someone next time???

    You ought to forward that info the MJM about prior convictions.

  27. Anonymous said on 23 Dec 2007 at 3:08 pm:
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    ddpdrinker on 23 Dec 2007 at 1:40 pm:

    Didn’t that “accident” happen in the Manassas Park jurisdiction? If so, he will probably just get another $100 fine and be let go if he is an illegal (and it sounds like it with two convictions of no license.)

  28. Dan'l said on 23 Dec 2007 at 3:10 pm:
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    Merry Christmas to all.

    I’d like to put in my 2 cents worth by again, pointing out my favorite
    Sheriff, Richard K. Jones of Butler County, Ohio. He’s the Man!

    http://www.butlersheriff.org/

    This guy know’s where most of our opinions are coming from. If
    you google his name, you will see much more.

  29. Bayberry resident said on 23 Dec 2007 at 3:40 pm:
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    Anonymous 3:08, The fine, if convicted, has nothing to do with Manassas Park. That is decided by the courts. Please be fair.

  30. John Light said on 23 Dec 2007 at 5:00 pm:
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    http://www.zombietime.com/really_truly_hillary_gallery/

  31. Anonymous said on 23 Dec 2007 at 5:25 pm:
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    Chill G Man, I merely meant to comment on the scope of this guy’s bitterness. Sounds like Jones is more worried about his personal fame and glory leading a less powerful Help Save Virginia than the issue itself.

  32. MP Resident said on 23 Dec 2007 at 5:33 pm:
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    “Didn’t that “accident” happen in the Manassas Park jurisdiction? If so, he will probably just get another $100 fine and be let go if he is an illegal (and it sounds like it with two convictions of no license.)”

    The courts are in Prince William County. MP has a lot to answer for, but don’t lay this at their doorstop. It’s the soft judges in PWC who let this guy go with a $100 fine when I can assure if you that if I’d been caught going 69 in a 45 with no license they’d have thrown the book at me. I’d expect at least a $500 for that.

  33. josh said on 23 Dec 2007 at 5:55 pm:
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    I’m sure many of you have been following the D.C. tax scam that’s hit the district, about 20-30 million dollars stolen so far. Here’s a hilarious website that spoofs the Office of Tax and Revenue’s website. I almost fell off my chair laughing so hard. Take a look at some of the scary mugshots on it too.

    http://dcotr.nbdinz.com/staff/

  34. ddpdrinker said on 23 Dec 2007 at 6:03 pm:
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    That Anastacio Sanchez-Miranda - the one that fled to NJ after allegedly killing those 3 people in Woodbridge 2 weeks ago after the kid’s birthday party…. remember that one? The Courts had him in November for allowing someone unlicensed to drive his vehicle. He got a fined. He is an illegal. Had the judge found that out when he was in Court in November, 3 people might still be alive today.

  35. josh said on 23 Dec 2007 at 6:28 pm:
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    here’s another one…a nice illegal alien theme!

    http://www.jibjab.com/view/206851

  36. ddpdrinker said on 23 Dec 2007 at 6:29 pm:
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    To Anoymous at 3:06PM - send the info to MJM: I can’t. I’ve already been published this month and I understand a person is only allowed once a month. Anyone else can take the info I cited and write in. Yes, had I no license and speeding, they’d thrown the book at me, too. I don’t know what the jails are filled with, but all I see when I am in the Courthouse are fines and suspended sentences being handed out.

  37. josh said on 23 Dec 2007 at 7:48 pm:
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    I think I’m on the MJM/Potomac news black list recently however I’ve had a couple letters posted within a months time. I guess it really depends on what they want in letters content.

  38. independent thinker said on 23 Dec 2007 at 9:05 pm:
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    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17563862

    “Southern Poverty Law Center statistics show that hate crimes reported against Latinos increased 35 percent between 2003 and 2006. According to the Center’s Mark Potok, the spike reflects the nation’s increasingly strident debate over illegal immigration.”

    For those of you still who may be interested in listening!

  39. Bayberry resident said on 23 Dec 2007 at 9:31 pm:
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    MP resident, this is not being laid at PW doorstop, but Prince William doesn’t have any say in fines either even if the arrest is in their county. The courts assign fines not MP, the City or the County. The judges are PW, MP and City judges. The fines are established by the state with mins and maxs and teh judges give what they think is appropriate. But I agree, the judges need to be strict on this guy if convicted. All I am saying is don’t blame the fine or lack of fine on any of the jurisdictions, they have no control.

  40. MdMan said on 23 Dec 2007 at 9:44 pm:
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    Listening to what “Thinker”?

    I hear the frustration of America. I hear an unfortunate reaction to trespassers that is not many degrees different than a person defending their home from an invader. The rationalization of pre-meditated violence is wrong, but humans still possess the basic natural instict to defend their territory, which I’m sure is anathema to a progressive like yourself.

    I’m not condoning hate crimes as a course of action, but I’m not surprised by this. Chaos begets more chaos, and this is justification for restoring order through the rule of law and sending those who don’t belong back to where they came from.

    But please, oh bleeding heart enlightened liberal socialist, tell us what you hear.

  41. Gone Fishing said on 23 Dec 2007 at 9:57 pm:
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    Josh, it’s my understanding that the D.C. tax scam has now
    reached 44 million and could possible rise! We really can’t
    say we’re shocked by this, now can we?

  42. One Voice said on 23 Dec 2007 at 10:01 pm:
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    Ind Thinker - it takes a bit of noteriety to be noticed by them. There are about 30 or so in VA and one or two have been referenced here with links.

    Thank you for passing that helpful information along. As the BVBL policy states:

    “I appreciate your participation in the posts on Black Velvet Bruce Li, especially when you add your insight, opinion, humor or wisdom. If you’re interested in providing a viewpoint or information relevant to the discussion I welcome your participation and value it highly.”

    Thinker, skip any post with negative name calling as BVBL policy further states:

    “If you’d like to engage in a personal crusade against another poster, start up your own blog and engage in this behavior there.”

    Following rules and laws can be such a nuisance but it does keep us somewhat civilized and a notch or two above….

  43. Dolph said on 23 Dec 2007 at 10:53 pm:
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    Independent Thinker,

    Thanks for that link. Interesting opinion given.

    Iinteresting applications looking at our county.

  44. Lafayette said on 23 Dec 2007 at 10:56 pm:
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    Take a look at the PWCPD Top Fugitives List..
    Each and every one of them is from Woodbridge or Dale City.
    Not a single one with a Manassas address. I hope those of you at the other down there are paying attention. Hmmm.
    Not a one was from WestGate/Sudley. :)
    http://www.pwcgov.org/default.aspx?topic=040036000910002530

  45. One Voice said on 23 Dec 2007 at 11:07 pm:
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    Lafayette Paying attention here.

  46. Dolph said on 23 Dec 2007 at 11:42 pm:
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    It is nice to know we don’t have anyone on the top ten list. Thanks Lafayette for the report.

  47. independent thinker said on 23 Dec 2007 at 11:49 pm:
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    Stick and Stones…….One Voice! Thanks for your comments :)

    I guess as long as you aren’t hispanic this 35% increase won’t bother you. Me, I like to think of myself as empathtic, realizing that I live by the golden rule. You know, that silly do unto thy neighbor creed.

  48. Dolph said on 24 Dec 2007 at 12:23 am:
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    I don’t care how frustrated Americans get, I can’t justify crimes against anyone because of their ethnicity (or the other qualifiers for hate crime).

  49. Compassionate Conservative said on 24 Dec 2007 at 12:23 am:
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    MdMan
    Originally, I thought MdMan was short for Maryland Man but your the anger in your post leads me to believe that it could also be short for Mad Man.

    I’m concerned about your statement -

    “I hear an unfortunate reaction to trespassers that is not many degrees different than a person defending their home from an invader.”

    My concern is how do you know they are invaders? Do you think that the perpetrators of these crimes sorted out those things prior to committing the crime? or did they have a pre-conceived impressions about a person’s status prior to their actions? Regardless it’s wrong but I guarantee that ‘non-invaders’ that were ‘co-owners’ of the home(ie documented individuals) were victimized. Now, explain to me again, how is it their fault?

  50. independent thinker said on 24 Dec 2007 at 12:35 am:
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    CC you make several excellent points. Does one speaking with an accent qualify as an “invader” Mad Man? How do you know exactly who is legal and who is not? However, even if someone is undocumented, do they deserve to be brutalized? Are they less human than you?

  51. Compassionate Conservative said on 24 Dec 2007 at 1:12 am:
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    Why thank you independent thinker. And aren’t you burning the midnight oil. :)

  52. josh said on 24 Dec 2007 at 3:04 am:
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    laf,

    from the looks of it most of them live over east of highway 1, which is fine with me. Probably from marumsco area :)

  53. josh said on 24 Dec 2007 at 3:06 am:
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    gone fishing,

    nope, not surprised at all. D.C. just oozed corruption. But hey, at least they are keeping neiman marcus in business :)

    but that website is funny, however I think I could terrify my children (and me) with those mugshots they posted…If I were to walk into the tax office there and see those people I might run out screaming in terror…

  54. josh said on 24 Dec 2007 at 3:09 am:
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    Now we are getting ridiculous here…you see how far these illegals will go? an illegal actually having the gall, stupidity and whatever to become….a cop?

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22382436/

  55. Anonymous said on 24 Dec 2007 at 6:54 am:
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    Anonymous said on 23 Dec 2007 at 5:25 pm:
    Chill G Man, I merely meant to comment on the scope of this guy’s bitterness. Sounds like Jones is more worried about his personal fame and glory leading a less powerful Help Save Virginia than the issue itself.

    BINGO!

  56. Anonymous said on 24 Dec 2007 at 7:24 am:
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    independent thinker said on 23 Dec 2007 at 11:49 pm: Stick and Stones…….One Voice! Thanks for your comments. I guess as long as you aren’t hispanic this 35% increase won’t bother you. Me, I like to think of myself as empathtic, realizing that I live by the golden rule. You know, that silly do unto thy neighbor creed……

    It never ceases to amaze me how some people try to skew the facts by omitting the rest of the FBI Report - the actual numbers. (keep in mind there are an estimated 50M legal and illegal Hispanics living in the US. Kinda blows your theory out the window!!!!!

    ———

    2006: 576 anti-Hispanic crimes against 819 victims
    2005: 522 anti-Hispanic crimes against 722 victims
    2004: 475 anti-Hispanic crimes against 646 victims
    2003: 426 anti-Hispanic crimes against 595 victims
    2002: 480 anti-Hispanic crimes against 639 victims

    http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2006/index.html

    There were 7,722 hate crimes in the USA last year, according to new statistics from the FBI.

    “Analysis of the 7,720 single-bias incidents by bias motivation showed that 51.8% were motivated by a racial bias, 18.9% were motivated by a religious bias, 15.5% were triggered by a sexual-orientation bias, and 12.7% of the incidents were motivated by an ethnicity/national origin bias,” the Bureau says. “One percent involved bias against a disability.”

    More than 58% of “known offenders” were white and more than 20% were black, the report says.

    Update at 12:06 p.m. ET: USA TODAY’s Marisol Bello reports that the number of hate crimes in the United States rose by 8% percent in 2006.

    The biggest increases involved victims who were gay, Hispanic or Muslim.

    Still, the statistics show that more than half were racially motivated. The number of hate crimes against whites increased 7%. While the number of incidents targeting blacks remained steady ….

    The majority of race-motivated hate crimes — almost seven out of 10 — were committed against blacks

  57. Junes_reston said on 24 Dec 2007 at 7:54 am:
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    Anonymous, sorry about the ownership mishap with the last two posts. My intent to was to reply to your posts and I thought I was signed in, but …. ooops

  58. Batson D. Belfrey said on 24 Dec 2007 at 7:58 am:
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    “Somehow Batty’s Christmas greeting has been removed, as has Anonymous’ and my responses. Just as well!”

    No, Krusty, It’s right where I put it….you are just looking at the wrong thread. Kinda like misplacing your keys. Maybe you should get one of those voice-recorder things that they advertise on TV, so you can keep track of which threads those comments of mine are on. You know, the ones that keep you and “One Voice” awake at night, after you’ve used “The Clapper” to turn off your lights. I also hope you have one of those units around your neck, to summon help in case you faint after reading one of my posts…”I read Batson’s latest comments. I’ve fallen and I can’t get up”.

  59. Dolph said on 24 Dec 2007 at 8:19 am:
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    And is Ebenezer making his rounds to Sudley Manor House, Cobblestones, and Annaburg Manor spreading that Christmas cheer today?

  60. Lafayette said on 24 Dec 2007 at 9:06 am:
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    Great letter, and I’m glad to see they printed it. It must have been that statement commending them in the opening.
    Finally, the real price of illegals is printed
    LETTER TO THE EDITOR
    Potomac News
    Monday, December 24, 2007
    http://www.manassasjm.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=MJM%2FMGArticle%2FWPN_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173353937575&path=!opinion

  61. One Voice said on 24 Dec 2007 at 9:41 am:
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    7:58am post - Puny comments such as this rarely rise tall enough to be of real interest to anyone except the poster. And so early in the morning!!! Yikes.

    Lafayette -The letter is good, however, I do say that it depends on whose pocket it hits. There is a trade off on costs for some that benefit. Therein lies the big problem. Someone legal is benefitting….

  62. Legal 2 said on 24 Dec 2007 at 9:50 am:
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    One Voice - “it depends on whose pocket it hits.”

    That rationale only works for “present-tensers” (reference to Ron Maxwell’s speech). We are fighting this scourge for our children and grandchildren (and for those of the illegals who should be in their own country/culture).

    It was a great letter to get published, Mr. D.

  63. One Voice said on 24 Dec 2007 at 9:55 am:
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    Not disputing the letter, down boy… !

    The cost impact to the US and whose pockets it comes from is the core of the feds not acting. Someone is benefitting and it could be those that have the authority/power to make the changes.

    I was moving beyond the letter to the issues……

  64. MdMan said on 24 Dec 2007 at 10:12 am:
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    Good morning and Merry Christmas Eve from Maryland!

    CC & IT - I’m glad I could enable a little late night love fest for the two of you. I was hoping to get more than a “sticks & stones” response, but I guess I over estimated your reasoning skills. My fault, and I apologize for the mean and hurtfull names; so let’s get back to a fully constructive dialogue.

    Again, I ask what were suggesting from your original post? I think I know what you were implying, but you need to say it with more than a one sentence cut and run after throwing that link out there.

    Isolated incidents of violence against actual or perceived illegal aliens are bound to happen in this struggle based simply on the sheer volume of the illegal alien population we have and human nature, and no where in my post did I advocate it. Violence is the exception and not the rule, as I beleive you were trying to infer. People with your ideology are constantly injecting race and hate as the overarching motives behind this debate, when the reality is the overwhelming majority of folks like me are trying to solve this problem peacefully and lawfully - in other words, playing by the Golden Rule even when the other side does not. That is the problem I have with you.

  65. Krusty said on 24 Dec 2007 at 10:38 am:
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    Oh, Batty, Your kindness and concern are beyond measure. Guess the spirit of Christmas hasn’t touched you. Does it ever?

  66. monticup said on 24 Dec 2007 at 10:46 am:
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    It depends on what the meaning of “hate crime” is. Certain groups seem to have hate crimes commited against them but are unable to themselves commit hate crimes. This whole hate crime thing is a giant scam. All crimes are hate crimes, as far as I’m concerned.

    Krusty–are you aware that your sarcasm makes you seem like a very angry person?

  67. Loudoun Insider said on 24 Dec 2007 at 10:52 am:
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    The whole hate crime concept is a bunch of BS. Crime is crime, and our society as a whole remains far too lenient on the offenders.

  68. Dolph said on 24 Dec 2007 at 11:07 am:
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    Is someone burglarizes my house, the motive is probably economic. If someone grabs a gay, a black, or hispanic and drags them 5 miles down the road with their car, I believe it is safe to assume it is a hate crime. Some crimes are very clear cut. Others not so clear.

    Sentencing leniency is often because of lack of prison space. No one wants to pay or have prisons in their vicinity.

  69. One Voice said on 24 Dec 2007 at 11:08 am:
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    Gee more love and kisses with a Merry Christmas….. just ducky. Just can’t make this stuff up. And third man (?) in, isn’t that a penalty?

  70. independent thinker said on 24 Dec 2007 at 11:13 am:
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    “If any one single issue or trend can be credited with re-energizing the Klan, it is the debate over immigration in America,” said Deborah M. Lauter, ADL Civil Rights Director. “Klan groups have witnessed a surprising and troubling resurgence by exploiting fears of an immigration explosion, and the debate over immigration has, in turn, helped to fuel an increase in Klan activity, with new groups sprouting in parts of the country that have not seen much activity.”

    “That increase translates into a 40 percent jump in the number of groups since 2000, when there were 602 hate groups operating in America, according to research by the Center’s Intelligence Project. Much of the expansion has been driven by hate groups’ exploitation of the issue of illegal immigration, which many Americans see as a pressing concern.”

    mdman, exactly what part of this needs more elucidation? With the increase of rhetoric and generalizations of the lantino community, there has been a clear correlation to increase in hate groups and hate crimes directed at hispanics.

    mdman said : “I hear an unfortunate reaction to trespassers that is not many degrees different than a person defending their home from an invader.”

    You may say you don’t condone it, but clearly you do. This type of violence is justified as self defense from your logic, like one would commit during a home invasion of burglars. Your logic is exactly what will feed more violence. My previous questions still stand from my earlier post. But once again, I guess as long as you or no one you care about speaks with an accent or looks hispanic this type of behavior won’t effect you.

  71. independent thinker said on 24 Dec 2007 at 11:15 am:
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    words of wisdom from monticup who calls children parasites

  72. One Voice said on 24 Dec 2007 at 11:24 am:
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    The number of white nationalist groups have increased and they are being used as resources for many anti-illegal alien groups.

    Immigration reform must be based on a national agenda of what is best for the US in social, economic and legal aspects. Clearly, what has been permitted in the past decade or two is not working. Legislators must be supported by groups and organizations that have the ablility to provide rational thinking and long term outcome impacts. Finding groups without those aforementioned connections is becoming a bigger and bigger issue for those elected. They simply will not align themselves with such operations regardless.

    Violence or anger based support simply stands in the way of progress of comprehensive immigration reform.

  73. monticup said on 24 Dec 2007 at 11:29 am:
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    Onevoice: Your posts sound like press releases. Who are you shilling for?

  74. One Voice said on 24 Dec 2007 at 11:35 am:
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    :)

  75. Lafayette said on 24 Dec 2007 at 11:47 am:
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    Onevoice: Your posts sound like press releases. Who are you shilling for?

    This same could be asked of few others too. ;)

  76. One Voice said on 24 Dec 2007 at 11:52 am:
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    corr - Comments posted by Once Voice are those of OV only and do not attempt to represent any other voices. Hence, ONE voice. :)

  77. independent thinker said on 24 Dec 2007 at 12:01 pm:
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    One Voice, the problem with your premise is that the solution is not black and white, not an easy fix, and will require indepth thought.

  78. One Voice said on 24 Dec 2007 at 12:10 pm:
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    ..which does exclude the necessity of all that righteousness and anger. That would limit participation, wouldn’t it.

  79. Krusty said on 24 Dec 2007 at 12:16 pm:
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    monticup 10:46, I’m a very happy person. I simply cannot fathom Batty’s meanness at times.

  80. independent thinker said on 24 Dec 2007 at 12:17 pm:
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    You really know how to take all the fun out of problem solving don’t you:)

  81. Patty said on 24 Dec 2007 at 12:24 pm:
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    Dear Mr. Duecaster,

    Thank you so much for the letter. It was nice meeting you the other night. There were a lot of people. I wish we could of stayed longer but we had to get back.

    Keep up the good fight.

    I hope you have a wonderful Christmas!!!

  82. Krusty said on 24 Dec 2007 at 12:27 pm:
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    Patty - I’m a grammar nitpicker. “I wish we could HAVE stayed longer”. Sorry about that; just HAD to do it.

  83. DemMom said on 24 Dec 2007 at 1:00 pm:
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    From my perspective, Bush has enabled big business conservatives to create a new slave class: illegal immigrants.

    With the creation of this new slave class, the rich are getting richer, and the poor are getting poorer.

    Blue-collar tradespeople and low-income people are forced to compete with these new slaves, who will work for well-below minimum wage, with no health insurance coverage, workman’s comp, or union benefits. All the while, big business lines its pockets with their ill-gotten gains.

    Illegal immigrants also dilute the pool for public and private funding and services, displacing low-income Americans, pushing them even closer or further below the poverty line. We had a hard enough time providing services for the poor before: now it’s nearly impossible to help them keep their heads above water. America’s poor are drowning, because illegal immigrants have filled the lifeboats.

    Shame on my fellow Democrats, especially those who post on this board, for turning their backs on poor Americans, and condoning the creation of the new slave class. You disgust me.

  84. manassascityresident said on 24 Dec 2007 at 1:07 pm:
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    DemMom -
    Well said. I can’t wait to see what Krusty has to say about your post. Nevermind, she’s too busy correcting grammar.

  85. Gone Fishing said on 24 Dec 2007 at 1:17 pm:
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    DemMom, I haven’t seen any previous posts from you, so
    welcome to this group of intelligent (mostly) posters. Not all
    of us are turning our backs on poor Americans, believe me.
    Your remarks are well taken and I agree with most of what
    you are saying.

  86. DemMom said on 24 Dec 2007 at 1:22 pm:
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    Thanks, I’ve been lurking for a long time.

    Krusty, correct away.

  87. Dolph said on 24 Dec 2007 at 1:33 pm:
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    DemMom,

    Please elaborate on how the Democrats have are at fault here. I am still trying to figure out why they make you sick.

    Independent Dolph
    ~~splash~~

  88. Patty said on 24 Dec 2007 at 1:53 pm:
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    Krusty,

    Sorry about that. I tend to type on the fly so to speak. I also made a mistake on a previous post “lost prevention” should have been loss prevention. Oh well, before I had to log in, I was able to correct mistakes. So, you are just going to have to deal with my boo boos. It’s too much effort to log in.

    I hope you have a Merry Christmas!!!

    Genesis 3:14-15, John 3:16, Isaiah 40:3-5, Isaiah 52:13-53:12, Micah 5:2, Isaiah 7:14, Luke 1:26-56, Matthew 1:18-25, Luke 2:1-20, Matthew 20:28, Romans 8:28-39, Ephesians 2:4-9, Romans 5:8. Even though you say you don’t believe in Him, he still loves you! His gift to you is Himself.

  89. DemMom said on 24 Dec 2007 at 2:02 pm:
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    Dear Dolph,
    I guess I wasn’t clear, sorry.

    I expect that Conservatives/Republicans will take advantage of the poor and working class. Most always have, and most always will. However, Bush’s creation of the new slave class is a new low, even for Republicans.

    My fellow Dems are welcoming the creation of this new slave class, and the displacement of jobs and services for blue-collar, low-income, or poor Americans, in order to seek new voters, etc.

    My party disgusts me because it is complicit in the crime of slavery and the abandonment of Americans who used to rely on our party to protect them.

    Hope that’s clearer.

  90. Dolph said on 24 Dec 2007 at 2:13 pm:
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    DemMom,

    Thanks. I wasn’t quite sure. Truthfully, both parties make me sick. I don’t see one as pimping after the hispanic vote any more than the other.

    Thanks again for taking the time to clarify. I will think about what you have said.

    ~~splash~~

  91. Krusty said on 24 Dec 2007 at 2:14 pm:
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    Thanks for your good wishes, Patty! I DO have a bible but I don’t think I’ll read all the verses mentioned today. Kids and Gkids and significant others arriving for dinner. -

    I didn’t go to Catholic school but our schoolday always started with singing of a hymn and a brief bible quote. Religion was part of the curriculum and became just another subject.

    As for believing; I don’t know. I went to Sunday school and girl scouts in the Salvation Army and loved it, because they had wonderful music and we sang happy songs, but when I turned 13 I was asked to become a soldier. Not for me. Sometimes I’m a little jealous of those who have a firm faith. I does give a framework for one’s life, it seems. But some feel that people like me are sinful and not good persons. Best wishes, Patty!

  92. independent thinker said on 24 Dec 2007 at 2:15 pm:
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    Wow, Democrats are the reason why the poor are getting poorer? ALL because of illegal immigration?

    That explains the growing number of citizens who have no health care, the rising cost of gasoline, the corporate corruption like Enron? The moving of our manufaturing industry overseas for cheap labor and no labor law standards? Is that what you mean DemMom? All because of illegal immigration?

  93. Krusty said on 24 Dec 2007 at 2:17 pm:
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    “It” does…

  94. monticup said on 24 Dec 2007 at 2:25 pm:
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    DemMom:
    I agree with your posts. The immigration issue cuts across party lines. It is not a Dem-Rep issue. I see it as a national soveriegnty vs. open borders issue. Our country simply can not absorb the tens of millions of illegal aliens from third world countries. As Milton Friedman said–open borders is incompatible with the welfare state. When our ancestors came to America, there was no welfare. Also, so many of the current immigrants (legal and illegal) can walk back and forth across the border and have no allegience to the USA.

    Krusty:
    I think you have a good heart. Try not to get so angry with those who do not agree with you. Open your mind–you can learn a lot from us.

  95. Dolph said on 24 Dec 2007 at 2:31 pm:
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    Krusty,

    Religion and spirituality come in many forms. Who is to say your version isn’t as valid as someone else’s? It isn’t up to us to judge.

  96. Dolph said on 24 Dec 2007 at 2:41 pm:
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    I have to say it or my tongue will fall out. On the anger scale, Krusty is way down on the list. I don’t see her spiritedness as anger. Many others on here are far, far more angry and it shows as does their out and out meaness.

    Krusty, I admire your spunk and spitfire even if we don’t always agree.

  97. DemMom said on 24 Dec 2007 at 2:52 pm:
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    Independent thinker, it appears that you didn’t really read my posts. I am blaming both parties, but I am disgusted by my own (the Dems).

  98. Lafayette said on 24 Dec 2007 at 2:55 pm:
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    Dolph,
    Well said. There’s certainly has been more anger show by a couple of folks. None of us are to agree all the time. We don’t always, but we do remain respectful of other, and it never hurts to AGREE TO DISAGREE.

    For all that have kids, grandkids, neices, nephews, etc.
    Track Santa. Our kids are teens and they still like this website.
    http://www.noradsanta.org/

    Merry Christmas!

  99. Lafayette said on 24 Dec 2007 at 2:56 pm:
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    corr: None of us are GOING to agree all OF the time.

  100. Krusty said on 24 Dec 2007 at 3:24 pm:
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    monticup, I’m just argumentative and I’m not angry. As I said before, I don’t understand why Batty has to make MEAN remarks about looks and intelligence for example about those who disagree with him. That doesn’t help a discussion along in any way. As Dolph says, lets AGREE TO DISAGREE.

    And my mind is as open as a barndoor after the cows have left; always eager to learn and hear those of opposite opinions and willing to state MY opinion, but I don’t need to be degraded and verbally abused in the process. THAT’S what I vehemently object to.

    Thanks Dolph and Lafayette for your kind comments. No more today; gotta cook the ham. Peace be with you all! Sincerely!

  101. Batson D. Belfrey said on 24 Dec 2007 at 4:20 pm:
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    “Dolph said on 24 Dec 2007 at 8:19 am:
    And is Ebenezer making his rounds to Sudley Manor House, Cobblestones, and Annaburg Manor spreading that Christmas cheer today?”

    “Krusty said on 24 Dec 2007 at 10:38 am:
    Oh, Batty, Your kindness and concern are beyond measure. Guess the spirit of Christmas hasn’t touched you. Does it ever?”

    “Krusty said on 24 Dec 2007 at 12:16 pm:
    monticup 10:46, I’m a very happy person. I simply cannot fathom Batty’s meanness at times.”

    Dolph,

    Sorry, too busy water-boarding puppies and going door-to-door telling little kids there is no Santa Clause to get by the Senior Housing this year. Maybe next year. What?

    Krusty,

    Fathom that I reject your point-of-view on most threads, and YOUR sarcasm. When I give it back to you in spades, you call me “mean”. Life and fights ain’t fair. Thought you would have learned this, considering the miles you’ve got on you. Understand that this “sandbox” isn’t PC. You wanna play here and throw sand, don’t cry when someone a little bigger and more blog-experienced throws is back.

    I really, sincerely and without sarcasm hope that you do have a nice, enjoyable Christmas.

  102. Dolph said on 24 Dec 2007 at 4:37 pm:
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    Batty,

    Puppies are sacred. Go for it with the kids though. Deliver a little coal even. Start with my smart alec g-son.

    Merry Christmas!

    ~~ho ho ho~~

  103. Batson D. Belfrey said on 24 Dec 2007 at 4:54 pm:
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    “DemMom said on 24 Dec 2007 at 1:00 pm:
    From my perspective, Bush has enabled big business conservatives to create a new slave class: illegal immigrants.

    With the creation of this new slave class, the rich are getting richer, and the poor are getting poorer.

    Blue-collar tradespeople and low-income people are forced to compete with these new slaves, who will work for well-below minimum wage, with no health insurance coverage, workman’s comp, or union benefits. All the while, big business lines its pockets with their ill-gotten gains.

    Illegal immigrants also dilute the pool for public and private funding and services, displacing low-income Americans, pushing them even closer or further below the poverty line. We had a hard enough time providing services for the poor before: now it’s nearly impossible to help them keep their heads above water. America’s poor are drowning, because illegal immigrants have filled the lifeboats.

    Shame on my fellow Democrats, especially those who post on this board, for turning their backs on poor Americans, and condoning the creation of the new slave class. You disgust me.”

    DemMom,

    Very nice post.

    “From my perspective, Bush has enabled big business conservatives to create a new slave class: illegal immigrants. ”

    I agree, however as a conservative I reject that it is “big business conservatives” that are behind the problem. How about greedy business owners, shareholders and their fake-conservative allies in the Federal government. Most real conservatives will tell you that there is nothing about Bush’s immigration policy that is “conservative”. True conservatives piched him overboard a long time ago, thus his low approval ratings. I hope the current crop of GOP presidential candidates are taking notice.

    “With the creation of this new slave class, the rich are getting richer, and the poor are getting poorer. ”

    No argument here. Add to that small business owners, like contractors who have to make a hard choice whether or not to play by the rules and compete at a disadvantage, or hire illegals to keep their costs down. Add to that everyday homeowners who go with the lowest bidder ofr home improvement, instead of those who cost more, and certify their employees as being legal. We could go on forever here.

    “Blue-collar tradespeople and low-income people are forced to compete with these new slaves, who will work for well-below minimum wage, with no health insurance coverage, workman’s comp, or union benefits. All the while, big business lines its pockets with their ill-gotten gains.”

    Spot-on, 100% correct. Now do something about it. Join HSM or STOD if you already haven’t, and vote for candidates on the right side of the issue like Jackson Miller (a fiscal conservative Republican) who have demonstrated leadership on this issue.

    “Illegal immigrants also dilute the pool for public and private funding and services, displacing low-income Americans, pushing them even closer or further below the poverty line. We had a hard enough time providing services for the poor before: now it’s nearly impossible to help them keep their heads above water. America’s poor are drowning, because illegal immigrants have filled the lifeboats.”

    Correct again. Please support elected officials who want to shut the tap off. The monied interests like construction, developers, the restaurant industry, hospitality, home services, etc. etc will throw lot’s of cash around to stop electeds like Jackson Miller form getting legislation passed which denies services to illegals.

    “Shame on my fellow Democrats, especially those who post on this board, for turning their backs on poor Americans, and condoning the creation of the new slave class. You disgust me.”

    Thank you. Now you know why I get so “mean” with faux-liberals who call Greg and anyone connected with HSM a “racist, biggot, xenophobe, etc.” Who’s the racist? The people who want to put an end to the exploitation and restore the rule of law, or those who want to maintain the status quo and continue the expoitation, hiding behind “human rights” and false constitutionality arguements. How about the ACLU, defenders of those who want to exploit children (NAMBLA), child pornographers, terrorists, and now the illegal aliens manufactured “rights”. These are the same people who love to persecute Christians and true conservatives who are trying to put a stop to all of this.

    The reason I get so “mean” with liberals (Krusty, One Voice) on this site, is because I believe that liberals today are evil. Classic liberalism, support for the working man, ensuring equal access to opportunity, etc., has been hijacked by elitest social engineers who are trying to destroy this country. I have little patience for their arguments.

  104. Batson D. Belfrey said on 24 Dec 2007 at 5:12 pm:
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    “DemMom said on 24 Dec 2007 at 2:02 pm:
    Dear Dolph,
    I guess I wasn’t clear, sorry.

    I expect that Conservatives/Republicans will take advantage of the poor and working class. Most always have, and most always will. However, Bush’s creation of the new slave class is a new low, even for Republicans.

    My fellow Dems are welcoming the creation of this new slave class, and the displacement of jobs and services for blue-collar, low-income, or poor Americans, in order to seek new voters, etc.

    My party disgusts me because it is complicit in the crime of slavery and the abandonment of Americans who used to rely on our party to protect them.

    Hope that’s clearer.”

    If you expect this, then you have bought into the lies that the MSM have been spreading about real conservatism. True conservatives don’t exploit any class of people. In fact, true conservatives want to eliminate those creations of “big governement” that only keep people trapped in a cycle of entitlement.

    “My fellow Dems are welcoming the creation of this new slave class, and the displacement of jobs and services for blue-collar, low-income, or poor Americans, in order to seek new voters, etc.”

    They are doing this because they hope that a permanent under-class who is dependent upon them will vote to keep them in power. Their power has been erroding since the Reagan administration, with roll-backs on welfare and other “social” programs. People have been pulling themselves up out of poverty. The Dems want to return to a population dependent upon them for their very survival.

    “My party disgusts me because it is complicit in the crime of slavery and the abandonment of Americans who used to rely on our party to protect them.”

    It is the leadership of your party (Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and the like) and the leadership of my party (Bush and Martinez) who have done this. My party is poised to clean house. I hope yours will too.

  105. MdMan said on 24 Dec 2007 at 5:29 pm:
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    Ahh, just back from a refreshing hike with my pup. Where are we…
      Indy Thinker, the Klan is about as relevant as the mob these days and I really take objection to you equating them with the groups who are representnative of this blog.  But that’s how progressives rationalize things so I’ll forgive you.

    If the Klan is now as virulent as your biased source suggests, the liberal main stream media would be on top of them like an illegal scaling a fence. And if there is some truth to their resurgence, much of it is probably attributable to anti-muslim sentiment. No question the Klan is Un-American and evil. They don’t at all help what folks are trying to do here, and I wish they would dissapear along with the illegals.

    The bottom line is America is facing an unprecedented insurrection that is fueled by radical Latino groups including MSF, La Raza, and the Central American Solidarity and Assistance “CASA” of Maryland, and their tenticle affiliates. One could argue that liberals should be included as well. These lunatics, along with the radical islamists, make the Klan look like a Boy Scout troop. The Klan may burn crosses, but these people would like to nail us to them first.

    I apologize for using such a dark analogy on Christmas Eve, but since you injected the Klan into the discussion I feel compelled. Your civil rights era revisionism carries no weight here.

    I’ve had enough vitriol for one day, afterall it’s Christmas. I wish a Merry one to all, including you CC and IT. I am going to sign off and watch White Christmas with my family - no pun intended.

  106. Dolph said on 24 Dec 2007 at 6:20 pm:
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    MdMan,

    I am almost inclined to agree with much of what you have said in the above post, with the exception of characterizing Independent Thinker as a liberal. I fear the enemy from within as much as I do those outside our borders who would do us harm. I guess the real question becomes, who is the enemy from within.

    Here is my problem with including ‘liberals’ in the mix. There are real liberals and then there are the people who might just not fit the conservative mold who get called liberals and pinkos etc here. The answer to debate here cannot be that everyone who disagrees is a liberal communist socialist pinko liberal. That stream of monikers loses its punch after the first 50 times it is used.

    Yes, there are revolutionaries and other extremists who would conquor this country in a heart beat. Let’s leave the extreme words for the extremists. MdMan, I am not saying you have even done that. It just seemed like a good time to remind people that we all might want the same end result. Some of us might want to go about getting there a little differently.

  107. josh said on 24 Dec 2007 at 7:01 pm:
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    lafayette,

    you can also call a norad tracker personally..My daughter talked to one earlier today and it was pretty neat, it made her christmas. She comes down every hour to see where santa is in the world (I think he’s in london now). It blows their mind since they actually think he’s real :)

  108. Dolph said on 24 Dec 2007 at 7:07 pm:
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    To Everyone,

    I just got this ICQ message from my college roommate who also lives in Manassas. It is just too good not to share.

    ” Want to hear a real Christmas story? Someone just knocked on my door. when I asked who it was, she said I didn’t know her but she had found my wallet. It was a woman who had found my wallet where I must have dropped it when loading the truck at Giant today.

    The money ($100) and eveything was all in it. I gave her $20. I don’t feel that was enough but I didn’t want to give her too much and hurt her feelings that way either. Her name was Rachel. By the sound of her, she might have been from WV. I couldn’t believe anyone that honest was left on earth.”

    Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus! My faith in the human condition has been restored and renewed. Merry Christmas to everyone.

    ~~Merry Christmas~~

  109. Dolph said on 24 Dec 2007 at 7:09 pm:
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    Josh,

    He is real. What is WRONG with you????!!!!!!!

    Thanks for the info;)

    ~~~splash~~~

  110. Dolph said on 24 Dec 2007 at 7:12 pm:
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    A red elf dropped by tonight and delivered some delicious cookies to my house. Ho Ho Ho….Many thanks red Westgate elf. I am glad you closed your SUV door while stopping at my house.

    ~~~Merry Christmas~~~

  111. independent thinker said on 24 Dec 2007 at 7:36 pm:
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    My point has, and will remain, that no solutions will be found as long as you cannot have a civil discussion in which rational people can disagree on methods to solve this problem. I am still wondering, how is this large influx of latino’s different from every other large migration of one ethnic group this country has experience? Is it that they come across the border and not on a ship? Additionally, until people are honest that this discussion IS about latino’s, there will be no solution possible. We have been dealing with an immigration issue with Mexico for over a hundred years and we haven’t solved it yet. We, as Americans, should absolutely know who is in our country. That goes without saying, but the devil is in the details. We have a slave labor class because we force the issue of either legal or illegal, there is no process to address the reality of the dilema before us. There was a time when one could work towards citizenship, those days are gone now so people are forced to stay in the shadows. I agree, Democrats have been spineless on this issue. The compromise they came up with was not perfect, but it did address some of these core problems. I believe that when you have the very left angry and the very right angry, you probably found the middle ground.

    As far as the KKK not being relevant anymore, that was true until the issue of illegal immigration began being used as a recruiting tool. Like it or not, those are the facts.

  112. f mcdonald said on 24 Dec 2007 at 9:09 pm:
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    Merry Christmas!

  113. UnMasMexican said on 24 Dec 2007 at 9:53 pm:
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    Feliz navidad a mi hernamnos latinos y los gringos!

    Merry Christmas to all!!

  114. Dave said on 24 Dec 2007 at 10:06 pm:
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    Illegals have had enough and are leaving states that have laid out the unwelcome mat. Check out the story: http://www.reuters.com/article/inDepthNews/idUSN2126758320071224?feedType=RSS&feedName=inDepthNews&rpc=22&sp=true

  115. chris cummings said on 24 Dec 2007 at 11:46 pm:
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    They should be leaving if the unwelcome mat is left out.

  116. Patty said on 25 Dec 2007 at 12:02 am:
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    Dolph,

    I just want you to know that I did my part to contribute to the value of your Lowe’s stock last week.

    I hope you have a merry Christmas.

    John 3:16 God loves you!!!

  117. josh said on 25 Dec 2007 at 12:15 am:
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    the “unwelcome mat” is surely out at my residence. Feliz Navidad to my illegal alien buddies making their trek across the border. May their trip be safe, sound and…permanent.

  118. Patty said on 25 Dec 2007 at 12:17 am:
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    All,

    Merry Christmas to ALL of you!!!

    Luke 2:1-20

    Luke 2:8-14 In the same region there were some shepherds staying out in the fields and keeping watch over their flock by night. And an angel of the Lord suddenly stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them; and they were terribly frightened. But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of great joy which will be for all the people; for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. This will be a sign for you: you will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.” And suddenly there appeared with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying, “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased.”

    I hope you all will truly know that God loves you with His whole heart. He demonstrated that when He came to earth a little over 2000 years ago.

  119. Anonymous said on 25 Dec 2007 at 10:23 am:
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    FELIZ NAVIDAD!

  120. Dolph said on 25 Dec 2007 at 10:58 am:
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    Nollaig shona duit. Merry Christmas.
    Síochán leat. Peace be with you.

  121. Rob Smalls (Inspiration of the BVBL 40K Post) said on 25 Dec 2007 at 5:52 pm:
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    Dolph - Go mba hé duit. Nollaig Shona agus Athbhliain faoi Mhaise Duit.

  122. Dolph said on 25 Dec 2007 at 6:51 pm:
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    Rob Smalls,

    You got me. Translate please:)

  123. Patty said on 25 Dec 2007 at 7:39 pm:
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    Lafayette,

    I sent you a message. Looks like we got a Christmas greeting from SUR 13. Let me know when you get the message.

    Thanks!!!

  124. Loudoun said on 25 Dec 2007 at 8:13 pm:
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    Patty, where was the tagging?

  125. Patty said on 25 Dec 2007 at 8:28 pm:
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    Loudoun,

    Corner of Woodstock and Copeland. Near where the good doctor lived.

  126. Patty said on 25 Dec 2007 at 8:30 pm:
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    Loudoun,

    It’s been reported.

  127. ddpdrinker said on 25 Dec 2007 at 8:59 pm:
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    Lafayette: What is going on? Email me please, to the ddp addy

  128. ddpdrinker said on 25 Dec 2007 at 9:00 pm:
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    What is a tagging?

  129. One Voice said on 25 Dec 2007 at 9:11 pm:
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    Tagging is grafetti.

  130. Loudoun said on 26 Dec 2007 at 5:57 am:
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    The taggings we have in Westgate/Sudley include gang taggings from SUR-13 and MS-13.

    SUR-13, also known as Sureños (Spanish for “Southerners”) are a group of Mexican and Mexican American (Chicano) street gangs with origins in Southern California. The term has broadened to include people of other ethnic sources. The common bond is the Hispanic culture in which the person has been raised in. Sureños conduct moderate criminal activities including drug smuggling and sales, theft and human trafficking.

    See wikipedia for complete definition.

  131. Lafayette said on 26 Dec 2007 at 6:41 am:
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    Taggings again. This is getting real old. The Neighborhood Watch program is what we MUST now do. This is becoming way to frequent. I will contact Neighborhood Service today or tomorrow about starting one up for us.
    There was also a show on the History Channel not too long ago about gangs. Maybe, they will reair it again. They showed lots of activity in the Northern Virginia area.
    Here’s an FRIGHTENING article from the NY Times this morning.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/26/us/26gangs.html?th=&adxnnl=1&emc=th&adxnnlx=1198667515-R4M2g+ynRY7ROgrCJ3VbKQ

    Here’s a paragraph regarding inmates.
    Last week the federal government and Los Angeles County undertook a joint attack on transnational gangs by charging 23 incarcerated gang members with the felony offense of re-entering the United States after being deported. The men, in their 20s and 30s, had been awaiting release from state prisons or city jails where they were serving time for a variety of offenses. They now face up to 20 more years in federal prison if convicted.

  132. Lafayette said on 26 Dec 2007 at 6:42 am:
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    corr: TOO frequent.

  133. Rob Smalls (Inspiration of the BVBL 40K Post) said on 26 Dec 2007 at 7:51 am:
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    Dolph - rough translation: The same to you. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

  134. Loudoun said on 26 Dec 2007 at 10:24 am:
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    If any of you are interested in how Wolf, Warner, and Webb voted on the Fiscal Year 2008 Appropriations Bill, which stripped the funding for the border fence, and added $ 10 million for lawyers for illegal aliens, the vote is as follows:

    Voting on the FY 2008 Appropriations Bill:
    Warner - voted yes
    Webb - voted yes
    Wolf - voted yes for the first vote, but on the second vote to add war funding for Afghanistan, voted no

    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll1171.xml

    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll1172.xml

    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00441

    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00439

  135. Dignidad said on 26 Dec 2007 at 11:13 am:
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    Independent thinker, read this morning’s article in the Washington Post “The Savage Silencing of Mexico’s Musicians”. My husband told me the other day that Patrulla 81 sings songs that glorify the drug trafficking culture. I guess there’s a lot more than just that band. There is a whole culture of glorification of criminals and illegal aliens among the poor and uneducated people that end up coming here illegally. They cry for justicia y dignidad with no real understanding that they are behaving in a very undignified way with no regard for true justice.

  136. Loudoun Insider said on 26 Dec 2007 at 12:09 pm:
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    I read that article as well with great dismay. No wonder hard working Mexicans want to get the hell out of that corrupt country! We will continue to have an illegal immigration problem as long as that country remains so damn f-ed up. While I remain firmly against illegal immigration, it is hard not to feel some sympathy for what the average citizen has to endure. I really had hope that Vincente Fox was going to clean things up, but it doesn’t look like anything has changed at all. Unbelievable that a country could let itself be run by gangsters like that. How pathetic.

  137. Anonymous said on 26 Dec 2007 at 12:16 pm:
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    Dignidad,

    how about the black rap? “kill your mother” or the hard rock.
    kill yourself you don’t have a future.

    is that the best music?

  138. Jane D'oh! said on 26 Dec 2007 at 12:41 pm:
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    Here’s a heartwarming story from a bastion of liberalism where compassion surely knows no bounds.

    High property taxes have you down? Having trouble making ends meet? Are you an elderly woman with arthritis, sciatica and getting around with a walker?

    No problem! Become a tax slave!

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071225/ap_on_re_us/working_off_taxes;_ylt=ArLfFLG41csy4Wl9nfIewSCs0NUE

  139. Anonymous said on 26 Dec 2007 at 12:47 pm:
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    Loudoun insider

    the corruption is not only in mexico , there are partners helping to keep the corruption in good shape.

    do you talk about corruption?

    all the countries together make the corruption, everything is about money.” capitalism” somebody else pay my goverment in mexico for they to F…M UP.

    I think the corruption is coming from outside.

    illegal actions:

    invations

    stick nouse in another countries

    that is corruption.!!

    you talk about illegal things?

    you are not in the reality.

  140. Dignidad said on 26 Dec 2007 at 12:48 pm:
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    Anonymous, what does that have to do with the Washington Post article and illegal immigration?
    I don’t know anything about those types of music but it sounds pretty dysfunctional.

  141. Anonymous said on 26 Dec 2007 at 1:02 pm:
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    I mean ” INVASION”

  142. Anonymous said on 26 Dec 2007 at 1:05 pm:
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    I mean INVASION

  143. Jane D'oh! said on 26 Dec 2007 at 1:10 pm:
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    Anonymous said on 26 Dec 2007 at 12:47 pm:

    —–

    What’s your solution to ending the corruption in your government in Mexico?

  144. Anonymous said on 26 Dec 2007 at 1:16 pm:
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    Dignidad,

    that’s ok ,dignidad, it’s the washington post.

  145. Dolph said on 26 Dec 2007 at 1:42 pm:
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    Mexico has a history of government corruption. Is there anyone going to dispute that here? I really cannot understand what the anonymous @ 12:47 is saying.

  146. Jody Wilcox said on 26 Dec 2007 at 1:45 pm:
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    A little levity for the holiday season: Documentary Proves the World Really just wants to be American…(They know it; we know it so just admit it) http://thecontemporaryconservative.blogspot.com/2007/12/documentary-proves-world-really-just.html

  147. MP Resident said on 26 Dec 2007 at 1:48 pm:
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    Anonymous 12:47 is more or less saying that the corruption in Mexico is not their fault but caused by other countries.

    Even that, if you believe it to be true, does not excuse Mexico. Am I supposed to be believe the whole country is run by a bunch of innocent child-like people who did only what they were told?

    Yea, right. And Marion Barry thought it was candy, too.

  148. 999 said on 26 Dec 2007 at 1:53 pm:
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    Another do-nothing liar!
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071226/NATION/712809668/1001

  149. independent thinker said on 26 Dec 2007 at 1:57 pm:
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    I copied several gang bio’s so that people can see that America’s gang issue has many components, all very dangerous to a civil society. It has been mentioned before on this blog that NAFTA was suppose to uplift the Mexican economy, but when the republicans took the congress, they denied the funding that had been outlined in NAFTA, an integral component to its success. I am no expert, and need to research exactly what was not funded. In order to form real solutions to any problem, one must first have a clear understanding of the many facets to a complicated issue.

    Italian:
    The Italian Mafia continues to dominate organized crime in the U.S. It uses this status to maintain control over much of both Chicago’s and New York City’s organized criminal activity, as well as criminal activity in other cities in the Northeast and across the country, such as Philadelphia, Las Vegas, New Orleans, and many others. The Mafia and its reputation have become entrenched in American popular culture, being portrayed in movies, TV shows, commercial advertising and video games.
    Reports also are said to include the Italian-American Mafia as the largest organized crime group in the United States and continues to hold dominance over the National Crime Syndicate, despite the increasing numbers of street gangs and other organizations of neither Italian nor Sicilian ethnicity.

    African American:
    The Crips are a primarily, but not exclusively, African American gang founded in Los Angeles, California in 1969 by 15-year-old Raymond Washington. What was once a single gang is now a loosely connected network of individual sets, often engaged in open warfare with one another.
    Through the years the gang has grown to be one of the largest and most powerful gangs in the United States with a membership that exceeds well over 30,000 gang members. The gang is known to be involved in murders, robberies, drug dealing, among many other criminal pursuits. The gang is notorious for its gang members flamboyant use of the color blue in their clothing. However, this practice has waned due to contentious police crackdowns on gang members.

    White Supremist:
    Santa Ana, Calif. — A white supremacy group is one of the fastest growing hate groups in the state and is blamed for menacing Southern California with a wave of assaults, theft and drug trafficking, according to a study.
    The Anti-Defamation League released a report on Thursday on the gang’s activities. The study relied on state and federal crime data.
    Law enforcement officials said the white supremacist group is becoming one of the most dangerous gangs in Southern California. The report shows the gang has grown from 28 members in 1996 to an estimated 1,300 members nationwide in 1998.
    Paroled members of the group are also spilling out of prison walls into communities.The group was formally recognized as a prison gang last year, subjecting its members to segregation while in custody. Nazi Lowriders are considered so dangerous that Los Angeles and Orange counties segregate them in county jails for fear they will attack black inmates, said Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca.

    Latino:
    Mexican gangs have been forming in the United States for over 100 years. On the East Coast, however, Mexican gangs are a recent phenomenon. In the past several years, East Coast cities have experienced an increase in the creation of gangs consisting of Mexican nationals.
    There are many experts who believe the North American Free Trade Agreement ( NAFTA), enacted in 1993, which promised an increase in the national employment rate of Mexico, is partly to blame for the influx of illegal Mexican immigrants into the United States. The doubling of the unemployment rate during 1993 to 1995 and the drop in hourly wages to the lowest in Mexico since 1980, resulting in an economic crash referred to as the Peso Crisis during the 1990s. This lack of economic opportunity in Mexico has greatly contributed to the illegal exodus from Mexico to the U.S. in recent years.

  150. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 26 Dec 2007 at 2:16 pm:
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    independent thinker

    This influx differs because we didn’t have the same welfare state back then as we have now. WIC and food stamps are being used now, where those programs didn’t exist back then. Yes ILLEGAL aliens qualify for these programs with their anchor babies. That is another problem all together!!

    This discussion is not about Hispanics or Latinos. I do not understand why they think they have the market corned on this. I refer to the people as ILLEGAL aliens, this includes ALL who are here ILLEGALLY. I understand that the Hispanics make up a great deal of those numbers, but this is not only about them.

    Last I checked, there was STILL a pathway to citizenship for those willing to follow it and not try to circumvent it by coming in the back door. I personally have said on this blog on many occasions that I welcome my new fellow citizens with open arms, no matter where they are from.

    Please post your sources for the KKK increase in membership. I am interested in reading that information.

  151. independent thinker said on 26 Dec 2007 at 2:33 pm:
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    Medic,

    So if there had been social welfare programs back during the influx of the Irish and Italians, you also would have moved to inhibit their entrance into this country. How can we be a nation of immigrants if we don’t allow immigration? Or maybe we are not? This is the discussion I believe we need to have.

    In reference to increase in KKK membership, although you seem to believe the SPLC is not credible, you could also go to the Anti-Defamation League website http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/kkk/default.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=4&item=kkk

  152. Anonymous said on 26 Dec 2007 at 2:33 pm:
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    Independent thinker.

    I really admire you!!, you must read everyday.

    people like you, make this world!!

  153. Dolph said on 26 Dec 2007 at 2:42 pm:
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    Actually there were strong anti immigration movements in this country during much of the 19th and 20th centuries. Ellis Island was not the warm fuzzy place some folks romanticize it to be. The Chinese were treated miserably.

    Our welcoming of immigrants as a national concept often does not translate into that same warm welcome if one examines the trends closely.

  154. Dignidad said on 26 Dec 2007 at 3:03 pm:
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    Independent thinker, we continue to be a nation of immigrants. I don’t think people are advocating a halt to immigration, they are demanding a respect for American sovereignty and rule of law.
    Because we have some gangs and criminals here, does that make it okay to open the door futher to gangs and criminals? There is a culture of acceptance of illegality among the Hispanic illegal aliens. False papers, false names and ssn’s, lending ssn’s to friends and relatives, viewing the enforcement of immigration laws as oppressive and now glorifying narcotraffickers… is that the kind of immigration that we want?

  155. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 26 Dec 2007 at 3:03 pm:
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    IT, Last time I checked we do allow immigration, LEGAL immigration. This is not an issue of immigration, it is an issue of ILLEGAL aliens invading the US. What part of ILLEGAL do you not understand? We allow immigrants into the US, LEGALLY! We are standing up to the ILLEGAL invasion that is happening.

    No, I do not find the SPLC as a credible source. They are the pot calling the kettle black, IMHO.

    Dolph, you are right, Ellis Island was not a warm and fuzzy place to be.

    ____

    Everyone has the ability to petition the US for citizenship as far as I know. I am not familiar with all of the immigration laws, so there could be a group that is not. With this said, I feel that once we enforce the laws on the books, reinforce ALL borders and start asking ALL people who are arrested what their status is, the sooner we can get over this invasion. I am glad to see the self deportation going on now. It will take time for all of them to leave this way, but in time, it will happen. I have no use for sanctuary cities and will not knowingly do business in them personally. I do not hate Hispanics or Latinos or any other group here LEGALLY. I do not like, I will type it again, I do not LIKE the ILLEGAL aliens being here. The sooner they are gone, better we ALL will be, including those represented by the ILLEGAL aliens.

  156. John Light said on 26 Dec 2007 at 3:13 pm:
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    Watch out for those West Springfield High School grads…look who made FARK.COM - lol:

    http://www.fark.com/

    “Virginia legislator who came up with the $3550 speeding ticket now wants to jail the 500,000 motorists expected to be unable to pay those massive fines.”

    http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/21/2142.asp

  157. Anonymous said on 26 Dec 2007 at 3:14 pm:
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    Winner of the BVBL 40K POST AWARD,

    I bet you , that in the back of your mind, you think that the hispanic people do not have the ability of read or speak English

    so, you may think that hispanic has less rights than others.

    in the back of your mind you think that latino are weaker than maybe other people like from, INDIA OR ARABIC PEOPLE, something like that.

    latino came here illegal, has less money than others etc

    that kind of things, make you think or feel that you can abuse latinos.

  158. John Light said on 26 Dec 2007 at 3:25 pm:
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    Anonymous said on 26 Dec 2007 at 3:14 pm:
    Winner of the BVBL 40K POST AWARD,

    “I bet you , that in the back of your mind, you think that the hispanic people do not have the ability of read or speak English”

    While I cannot speak for /\/\3|)iç 64, I can say that everything you stated is blatently wrong. /\/\3|)iç 64 knows full well that one of the most dangerous group of people out there are those who came over here on Visas, assimilated, then purpously let their Visa expire so as to fall “under the radar” and be able to do their dirty work.

    The illegals from South of the Border choose not to learn our (North America, sans parts of Canada and all of Mexico) language because: they do not respect this country, otherwise they would have came here legally; they do not respect their family, otherwise they would not have put their lives at risk or left them in their home country to fend for their own.

    I know of Germans who came to the United States following the War and put forth their best effort to learn the language and assimilate. They did not sneak into this country via Mexico aas many before them did.

    Please stop the name calling and false assumptions that just because he is against illegals then he is against ALL from Mexico. I know people from Brazil and Argentina who are just as much against the illegals as the rest of us are. Heck, I know Brazilians still living there who tell me that they agree with us 100% on being against the illegals.

  159. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 26 Dec 2007 at 3:28 pm:
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    Dignidad, Exactly my thoughts!!! That is not the immigration I want to see happening.

  160. Dolph said on 26 Dec 2007 at 3:36 pm:
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    Anonymous said on 26 Dec 2007 at 3:14 pm:

    I don’t know anyone who thinks what you just said.

    I am going out on a limb to also say that I think US immigration laws need modernizing to fit current economic needs which have changed since our immigration laws were last updated.

    Meanwhile, I do not think that our laws can just be ignored because they need updating. We have every right to know who is in our country. It is a matter of national sedurity. That includes people from the middle east and Indian…especially the middle east.

  161. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 26 Dec 2007 at 3:38 pm:
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    Anonymous said on 26 Dec 2007 at 3:14 pm

    You do not know me so there for do not put words in my mouth or assume you know how I feel.

    I know Hispanic people can and do learn and speak English. They have ASSIMILATED. Look that word up at http://www.dictionary.com

    I have said on many occassions, even in this very thread, I welcome those who have come to the US LEGALLY with open arms. I want the rule of law enforced. I want the ILLEGAL alien issue addressed. Not once have I said anything about HISPANICS other than the majority of the ILLEGAL aliens are Hispanic. I do not single them out, yet you and those like you do. I put all in the same category, ILLEGAL alien.

    Please post where I have ABUSED Latinos or singled them out in any of my posts. Your dialog is part of the problem. You do not see that those here ILLEGALLY are just that ILLEGAL. What part of ILLEGAL do you not understand? Use the link to look up that word as well as racists while you are at it. You will find that I am not a racist, but someone looking to have ALL of the borders secured and immigration laws enforced. I want those using services to pay their fair share and stop suckling the hind teat of America’s way of life and generosity.
    _________________

    John, you are exactly right!!! That is why I say ILLEGAL aliens not Mexicans or Hispanics or Latinos or Japanese or Koreans or Chinese or Indian or Arabic people.

  162. Anonymous said on 26 Dec 2007 at 3:49 pm:
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    John Light,

    those from Argentina, or Brazil must be white.

    they don’t like Indians.

  163. John Light said on 26 Dec 2007 at 4:01 pm:
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    Anonymous: Looks like YOU are the racist one here - thank you for calling yourself out.

  164. John Light said on 26 Dec 2007 at 4:05 pm:
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    /\/\3|)iç 64 - you are welcome and when you get the chance, contact Greg - I sent him an e-mail. He will know what it is about.

    Hope you had a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!!!!

  165. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 26 Dec 2007 at 4:05 pm:
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    Anonymous, Why don’t you use a name instead of Anonymous?

    Your post is just the race baiting that I expect from people like you who see nothing wrong with being in this country ILLEGALLY. How do you know what people do and do not like? Have you met me and discussed this issue with me in any detail what so ever? If not, how can you suppose how I feel about anything?

  166. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 26 Dec 2007 at 4:09 pm:
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    John, I wish there was a way we could get in touch without divulging to the entire list our direct emails. I will create a Hotmail account for this and let you know here. Of course it will be spammed, but I can close it out when it gets too bad. How do I get in contract wit him? My email address is posted with every post I make. I have my REAL email address in the box labeled Email (will not be published).

  167. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 26 Dec 2007 at 4:15 pm:
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    John, I went to the HSM site and pulled the president email link. I sent an email to him.

  168. John Light said on 26 Dec 2007 at 4:18 pm:
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    Send an e-mail to admin@bvbl.net and request my e-mail. I have given him a “head’s up” that it is ok to give you my e-mail account.

    Anonymous is just too estúpido to come up with a “cutsie” name.

    Personally, I have gotten to the point where the fake names are ok (name is the same as your city/state, for example), but when it is just “anonymous” shows what level of debate we are really dealing with.

  169. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 26 Dec 2007 at 4:18 pm:
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    John, My email is medic6464@hotmail.com

  170. John Light said on 26 Dec 2007 at 4:19 pm:
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    Great…look forward to chatting. I pick up my boys at the airport tomorrow and will be home with them thru New Years. Yes, I broke the news to them that school goes until the 24th of December for next year and they were none too happy, lol.

  171. John Light said on 26 Dec 2007 at 4:21 pm:
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    You’ve got, mail

  172. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 26 Dec 2007 at 4:22 pm:
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    I sent one to that one as well. I think I have covered all the bases (c;

    It aggravates me when people use the Anonymous for the very same reason you stated. It is easy to hide behind Anonymous. I know my handle is not that clever, but it is who I am and people know who is making the comment. I do not lend any credit to those who post Anonymous. They can not seem to come up with a handle, yet they can inject their points into the discussion and expect people to take it serious.

  173. John Light said on 26 Dec 2007 at 4:25 pm:
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    Ok, while illegals ARE important, notice NO ONE commented on my Dave Albo link - come on, people, there has to be at least ONE person who can’t drive 55 - lol

  174. Dolph said on 26 Dec 2007 at 4:38 pm:
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    Medic and John,

    I have a web based email address I post on here. It gets spammed all the time but I dont think by anyone from bvbl or any of its readers. It got spammed before I ever started posting here.

    I dont think you have anything to worry about if you do it. NO one has ever misused it from here.

  175. John Light said on 26 Dec 2007 at 4:38 pm:
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    I hear ya!!! Well, the fact is that people like you and me unfortunately (for those who have a clue) have to keep REPEATING ourselves to these dolts not just for their sake, but for the sake of the newbies to BVBL who having only just recently come across this site, do not realize the position that you and I hold.

    That is why I repeated my accomplishments the other day. Sure, “she who shall not be named” was jealous, maybe even felt inferior by saying “it must be humble when you are perfect in every way” but by that very comment, she proved that she will just NEVER understand the difference between pride and arrogance. Not having the intestinal fortitude those who refused to serve will not understand the comraderie that those of us who were/are willing do understand.

    BTW, if you click on my name on each Post, you will learn just a little bit about me.

  176. John Light said on 26 Dec 2007 at 4:57 pm:
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    Thank you, Dolph, for those words of encouragement :-)

  177. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 26 Dec 2007 at 4:57 pm:
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    What is that email address Dolph? (evil grin) Come here lil girl, I have some email for you! If you feel left out in the spam department, I can help you out!

  178. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 26 Dec 2007 at 4:58 pm:
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    Thanks for the call John!!

  179. John Light said on 26 Dec 2007 at 5:01 pm:
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    Thanks for answering - lol

    Infantry may lead the way, but Medics save the day!!!

  180. Dolph said on 26 Dec 2007 at 5:08 pm:
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    /\/\3|)iç,

    Oh I have plenty of spam on that email. Don’t you worry. Just no one from here has emailed me and acted ugly. Lots of people have worried because I have posted it here. Doesn’t matter. It is a junk mail email address. I just go clean it out if I am expecting mail. And of course, you are welcome to have it if you have something legit to send me. (not going to take that other bait);)

  181. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 26 Dec 2007 at 5:14 pm:
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    What in the world is Albo doing? Why do we have to pay more than, say someone from IL, that gets caught speeding. Do they have better drivers ed in IL that teaches high speed driving in IL? I personally took the IL State Police EVOC (Emergency Vehicle Operators Course) to drive ambulances and fire trucks in IL. This, for the most part is what the Troopers take, except for the vehicles involved. The technical classroom work is the same. SO, technically, I have been trained to drive at high speeds, but will get into trouble if I do in VA. Guess I have to obey the law like everyone else.

    The point I am making is that the people in IL can speed through VA and expect a fee, while I can speed through VA and expect the same fine AND a ticket tax. HMMM…wait a minute here. Does this seem fair? Don’t I pay taxes to the state on a regular basis already? I think the ticket tax should go to those who speed through the state from other states, or better yet, make it apply to ALL those who speed. If the legislation proposed goes through, won’t that make criminals of law abiding citizens that had a momentary lapse of judgment or maybe new tires that put the speedometer off criminals? Maybe they are going down a hill and haven’t put their foot on the brake to slow down. So many ways to get into this mess, but very few to get out. I am wondering if I should stay in VA much longer if they continue to tax as much as they do.

  182. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 26 Dec 2007 at 5:16 pm:
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    ohh but Dolph, you should (c; I have SOOO many spam mails I could share (c; Of course I would appreciate it and treat it with tender loving care, I will feed it and hug it and name it George. (Older cartoon reference for those not old enough to know what I am talking about)

  183. es_la_ley said on 26 Dec 2007 at 5:31 pm:
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    “Infantry may lead the way, but Medics save the day!!!”

    That brings back memories of long ago. Not for me personally (didn’t have the chance to serve in the forces), but my Dad did… He was a medic. WWII. Battle of Normandy! He passed away long ago, but the stories he told me are still in my head. Your post reminded me of him and what he went through. :-)

  184. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 26 Dec 2007 at 5:40 pm:
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    es_la_ley, I was a Hospital Corpsman in the Navy. I also served as a Firefighter / Paramedic, both paid and volunteer. I have heard many medic stories of those days as well as Viet Nam era medics. A Corpsman’s life expectancy in Viet Nam was 10 days. They had to wear the red cross on their helmets, which made them targets. The enemy didn’t follow the rule of the Geneva convention which prohibits medical personnel from being shot at intentionally.

  185. Lizzie said on 26 Dec 2007 at 6:54 pm:
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    All the world’s a stage,
    And all the men and women merely players:
    They have their exits and their entrances;
    And one man in his time plays many parts,
    His acts being seven ages.

  186. Dolph said on 26 Dec 2007 at 7:10 pm:
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    An FYI to those who have deceased veteran parents or siblings:

    You can get the medals they were awarded re-issued to you. I got beautiful ones that were awarded to my father free of charge. It took a while but it was also well worth the wait. I have them displayed along with his dog tags from WWII.

  187. One Voice said on 26 Dec 2007 at 8:28 pm:
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    What a plus for PWC to be cited by these folks. How nice for our CV. :)

  188. Patty said on 26 Dec 2007 at 8:29 pm:
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    Dolph,

    How does one go about getting the medals? My dad served in WWII, the Pacific Theater. He fought in Leyete, Philippines and Ryukyu, Okinawa. He was in the Army. His rank was First Sergeant. I’ll never forget some of the things he said about Okinawa. He said the snakes were so bad it wasn’t unusual to wake up and find one in your bed. My dad passed away a little over a year ago.

  189. independent thinker said on 26 Dec 2007 at 8:50 pm:
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    Yes One Voice, PWC appears to be famous for revisiting its KKK roots.

  190. Dignidad said on 26 Dec 2007 at 9:27 pm:
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    I would think that most PWC residents reject outright the KKK and any other group like that. It is the pro-illegal aliens that seem to point out and relish the KKK.

  191. One Voice said on 26 Dec 2007 at 9:38 pm:
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    The lively discussions before we get to auto-response, just wear me out.

  192. Dolph said on 26 Dec 2007 at 9:43 pm:
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    Patty,

    I will get the address for you. Do you have your father’s service number or social security? When I find it, I will post it on here in case others want to write for medals. They are really beautiful. My mother saw them when she was alive and said they looked a lot better than the originals.

    They would look nice in a shadow box or vitrine.

    They do all the research for you as to what medals your dad was entitled to.

  193. Dolph said on 26 Dec 2007 at 9:48 pm:
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    Patty and anyone else who is interested in getting medals for family members:

    National Personnel Record Center
    Military Personnel Records
    9700 Page Avenue
    St. Louis, MO 63132-5100

    When inquiring, include full name of veteran and SS number and service number if known. I would also include approximate dates. State your relationship to the veteran in your request. I was not charged for the medals.

  194. independent thinker said on 26 Dec 2007 at 9:57 pm:
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    Ding, no one “relishes” pointing out that the KKK is growing in membership by using the illegal immigrant furor as its recruiting weapon. To suggest that I, or any other person sharing relevant information, enjoy such growing hatred, is simply an adolescent response to a very serious problem.

    “All that is necessary for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing” Edmund Burke

  195. ddpdrinker said on 26 Dec 2007 at 9:58 pm:
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    Dolph, Patty: Years ago I wrote for my father’s Marine Corps. records to a place in St. Louis, I believe. I think I still have the form, also, and I can make copies and send it to you. He was in WWII Pacific Theatre and got shot at Iwo. They sent me all of his records and all medals they could re-issue except for his Purple Heart which I already had. They even sent me a book about Iwo. I have the paperwork on each battle on each island, each ship, etc. Let me know.

  196. ddpdrinker said on 26 Dec 2007 at 10:00 pm:
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    I see we were typing the same thing. I have a blank form that needs to be filled out. Maybe they have the application online

  197. Dolph said on 26 Dec 2007 at 10:03 pm:
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    Sorry, I think I was trying to change the subject from the KKK. When I came to Prince William County in the late 60’s, I really didn’t feel PW Co. was a place with a lot of racial tension. It seemed to have withstood the throes of integration without major incident, unlike so many other places in Virginia and the south.

    We certainly don’t need to bring on any negative publicity in the 21st century. It might be a good idea to think about how things sound to people who might be reading the blog outside our circle of friends. It is easy to address illegal immigration, gang behavior, overcrowding and the like without using inflammatory rhetoric that might be used for other purposes once it leaves this blog.

  198. One Voice said on 26 Dec 2007 at 10:26 pm:
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    Good post, Dolph. We need to see illegal immigration addressed and the issue brought under control locally and nationally. We need to also address the woes of being a ‘bedroom’ community with declining real estate revenue. We need to address both issues with well thought out plans and approaches that will not only resolve the problems at hand, but demonstrate that this can be done with the community’s support and without damaging the community’s reputation. We need to do this by using all laws available in a consistant and persistant manner as being done in Westgate and Sudley. That is a good model to use.

    Solving one of these problems will not solve the other. They must both be addressed in a logical, strategic and straightforward manner and addressed concurrently.

    How this is done is critical to PWC.
    How this is done is critical to each of us.
    How this is done will allow PWC to dismiss claims of negative attention from groups that none of us support or wish to see in our lives.

    How is the key.

  199. Dignidad said on 26 Dec 2007 at 10:54 pm:
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    Independent Thinker, it does seem to me that there are those who are eager to point to any racist incident or person and use that to draw conclusions about the anti-illegal immigration side of the issue. I personally think it’s horrible that anyone would misrepresent racism on one side while ignoring or even condoning it on the other.

  200. One Voice said on 26 Dec 2007 at 11:01 pm:
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    I think that the point is that there are slimey groups out there that will take any opportunity to involve themselves for their own purposes. No one is suggesting that these groups represent any “side”. I think the point is that if you have a strong, consistant, logical and strategic approach to this issue based simply on law, those groups will not find a foothold from which to insert themselves in areas where they are not wanted.

    Hurling comments about, facilitates the divide and conquer method which just feeds right into their hands.

  201. starryflights said on 27 Dec 2007 at 12:07 am:
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    The answer is to enforce our laws…laws that we ALL need to obey or face the consequences. We need to get tough on the employers of illegal aliens and we need to make sure that NO illegal alien is employed in the United States, it’s against the law. Then we put a stop to feeding the invasion by stopping the awarding of citizenship to illegal aliens’ (criminals everyone of them) babies. This rewards illegal behavior and should cease. No more anchor babies. When the illegal aliens have no jobs, many WILL go back to their own countries. We need to also make it a very serious crime if any illegal alien is caught with false ID or SS#. No more small fines and they walk. Jail, right away and then deportation. We need to secure our borders and ports. We also need to start fingerprinting (if we are not doing so already) and keeping track of all foreign visitors and make sure that they leave when they are suppose to leave. I could go on, but there are some places to start and the sooner the better for us all.

  202. One Voice said on 27 Dec 2007 at 4:17 am:
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    Yes, enforcement of all our laws from the small ones to the larger ones. That was the Guiliani approach to crime in NYC - enforce the nuisance laws and it will begin to resolve itself. NYC is reporting a record low 483 homicides for 07. This should be done regardless of who is committing the crime, we may fix some previous problems as well!

    We absolutely need to know who is in our country for a myriad of reasons.

    If the locals press with local ordinanances and regulations, it should force state and feds to follow up with their responsibilities. If they don’t it will be obvious and that’s the next step of the problem. This will not be resolved in a matter of months. How this is handled will be scrutinized more than the outcome. Think of the what makes news these days - not what folks are doing - character assasinations are the news. So how this is done will be the major focus of effectiveness and reflection.

    We just need to act on this in a way that is clear and exact and without harming the community. We have a lot of national attention and should capitalize on it in a way that is constructive for PWC as a community.

  203. Lafayette said on 27 Dec 2007 at 6:57 am:
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    I got this email from a friend of mine who’s son is serving our country as a Ranger in Iraq.
    That’s a might big total at the bottom.$$$$$
    For those who think Iraq/Afghanistan actions are costing too much.
    Please read & ABSORB what is written here.

    1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77

    2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

    3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
    http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

    4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html

    5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers. http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

    9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

    11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

    12. The National Policy Institute, “estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.” http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

    13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

    14. “The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States “. http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

    The total cost is a whopping . $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR

  204. Dolph said on 27 Dec 2007 at 7:02 am:
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    Very well put, One Voice. You are very much correct, in my opinion.

    Our language and general demeanor need to reflect what a fine place Prince William County is. To do otherwise attracts unwelcome political entities, lowers our property values, repels welcome newcomers, drives out businesses and sullies our reputation.

    We can enforce ordinances, laws, and community standards without the use of shrill, strident language and rhetoric that does nothing to enhance our neighborhoods, schools and quality of life. You never know who is watching and reading.

  205. Lafayette said on 27 Dec 2007 at 7:11 am:
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    independent thinker said on 26 Dec 2007 at 11:35 pm:
    Am I at the correct blog, this is beginning to sound like a rational conversation, one that recognizes the complexity of this issue.

    Last week was really the first time I’d seen your handle come up. Last week was the week of name calling and direspect. There are rational posters here, and then there’s the more radical posters. We ALL must work together and listen to each other even when we don’t agree. It’s pretty bad on here when folks on the same side of the issue are bashing one another. I’ve said this many times, sometimes we must AGREE TO DISAGREE. I know Dolph and One Voice take this approach too. I had a couple people email me and thought “Independent Thinker” was me, because they know I am. What a great handle and it beats the heck out of being anonymous.

  206. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 27 Dec 2007 at 9:14 am:
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    Lafayette,

    That is quite a big number there! What caught my eye was the remittance back to countries of origin. That is money that should be taxed and isn’t. Imagine how much money can be put back into the system if it were.

    If we were to knock 1, 4 and 5 off of the list it would more than pay for the deportation of all ILLEGAL aliens. The problem is the Dem’s will not allow this to happen. These people are potential voters since they live on welfare. Their goal is to keep people poor all the while telling them they will continue to provide for the poor. There is a problem here. Those on welfare need to get off their @$$ and get a job. They are out there if you look. Once the ILLEGALS are deported, that will open up all kinds of jobs. If nothing else, they can pick up trash along the road. Do something to earn what you get. I guess I was raised differently, I expect to pay my own way. Now, when I was having some trouble, I did use the assistance, but it was not a way of life for me. I got over the hump and got back on my feet. IMHO, that is what welfare is supposed to do, get you over the hump until you can get back on your feet. Once you have, then it is to stop. Those who just sit around and make babies to increase benefits are useless IMHO.

  207. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 27 Dec 2007 at 9:15 am:
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    Lafayette, I noticed one of the townhouses had an open screen door last night. Was that the signal you were talking about? I am not sure if it was left open because they were carrying something in or what, but I am going to keep an eye on it. I have noticed that a few car alarms have been tripped the last few days.

  208. starryflights said on 27 Dec 2007 at 9:25 am:
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    As an experiment, maybe we should all keep our screen doors open for a few days and see what happens.

  209. Patty said on 27 Dec 2007 at 9:35 am:
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    Dolph,

    Thanks for the address!

    ddpdrinker,

    If you have any other information that I could have to find out about my Dad’s service, I would be very grateful. I do have a copy of a service record. It is a one sheet summary.

  210. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 27 Dec 2007 at 9:36 am:
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    starry, I have an 18 y/o daughter. I am not sure I want to “invite” strangers to the door if that is indeed the signal.

  211. Patty said on 27 Dec 2007 at 9:36 am:
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    Lafayette,

    NOVEC came to clean grafitti this am. I think they could have done a little better but the response was fast. VDOT still hasn’t made it out here yet.

  212. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 27 Dec 2007 at 9:46 am:
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    Patty, That is the mindset. Do just enough to get by. Maybe they thought it was pointless since the gang will be back out in the next few days to tag it again.

  213. Patty said on 27 Dec 2007 at 10:02 am:
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    /\/\3|)iç 64

    I had to copy and paste your handle. I’m not doing well typing today. I see I have already made some typos.

    I did call NOVEC and I think they will come back. I did work there at one time and know some people. They are very nice. We’ll see what happens.

    I know that many members of these gangs are illegal aliens. I believe they are getting angry because of the foreclosures. Less opportunity to bunk up at a flop houses. Maybe they want to make a statement.

    I do believe my neighborhood is making a turn for the better. I know there is a solid group of residents that have stayed and are invested in this neighborhood. I do think things will get better. We just try not to get discouraged and we will not give up. Say a prayer for us. Thanks!

  214. Dolph said on 27 Dec 2007 at 10:03 am:
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    As an independent, I feel that just as strong of an argument could be made for the Republicans never allowing the deportation of those who are here illegally. All one has to do is look at who is profitting from all the cheap labor. The huge influx of illegal workers has been during the Bush administration. Federal laws are not being enforced by those entrusted with enforcement: the Executive Branch of government.

    Both parties need a serious reality check. They are playing the American people.

  215. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 27 Dec 2007 at 10:29 am:
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    Patty, Medic or M64 are OK as well (c;

    I think many are getting upset because of the lack of jobs and flop housing. Some in AZ are self deporting. We won’t have to pay for deportation if the border is secure and we start assessing fines to employers that seek this cheap labor force. Maybe we need to look at this fomr another view. Think about this for a moment. if we secure the borders, people can not travel back as easy. if the fines on employers are assessed for hiring ILLEGAL aliens, they will no longer use them. The ILLEGAL aliens will have to move on to another place OR back to their country of origin. If the border is secure, they can not get back over as easy as they came in. The fines are the first step to self deportation and with open borders, ILLEGAL aliens can go back home unimpeded.
    _________________________

    Dolph, You can not be suggesting that ALL of this falls on the Bush administration’s shoulders. This has been going on for many more years than he has been in office. Yes I agree the enforcement should come from the top, but it should be blamed on EVERY president since Regan. He was the one that allowed amnesty for those already here.

  216. Barbara Cummings said on 27 Dec 2007 at 10:29 am:
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    I have copied the following posts from the Marty Nohe thread of several days ago. I’d like to make sure that people see the corrections.

    First my husband’s post:

    Just for the record I had nothing to do with the scurrilous comment posted under the username “chris cumminga”. Such unpleasantness reflects badly on those who express it.

    Chris Cummings
    Manassas

    Now my own:

    Furthermore, we left home at 9:45 on Christmas Eve to get to St. Mary’s in Washington by 10:30 because my husband was serving Midnight Mass. At 10:54, the moment of the “chris cumminga” post, Chris was busy rearranging some chairs in the Sanctuary.

    Further to this, the language that the “chris cumminga” poster used is language that would NEVER by used by my husband.

    In fact, since the subject has arisen, (we haven’t been looking at the blogs much lately — we only learned of this malicious post today because someone emailed Chris about it) I can say that my husband and I are in complete agreement that Marty Nohe is an excellent representative of our interests. As long as he’s willing to do that job, we’ll continue to vote for him.

  217. Lafayette said on 27 Dec 2007 at 10:53 am:
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    /\/\3|)iç 64,
    You are right the open storm door is indeed the signal for room(s) for rent. No, don’t attempt it they will come to your door. I would keep a close eye on the comings and goings there. You will see cars at these houses anywhere from 3 days to 3 months time. This makes it very difficult for us to know who are neighbors are, and not to mention they are constinantly changing on almost a daily basis.

  218. Dolph said on 27 Dec 2007 at 10:54 am:
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    MD64,

    Not suggesting that it all falls on Bush at all. I am saying that the problem has grown exponentially under the Bush administration. The entire shift in the economy creates a situation where cheap labor has been a boon to many businesses.

  219. Barbara Cummings said on 27 Dec 2007 at 11:15 am:
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    Here’s another “chris cumminga” aka “chris cummings” comment which was NOT written by my husband Chris Cummings. ALL should know that Chris does NOT read any part of the Washington Pest.

    Greg, I’m wondering what you do in the case of impersonations on your blog. I assume you ban the email address. Is that correct?

    57. chris cumminga said on 24 Dec 2007 at 9:58 pm:

    Maybe it’s the illegals pulling the leash at WaPo. Now I completely understand why I read the Metro section only, at least they generally don’t f’up obituaries and the weather outlook. I on the other hand get 95% of my news from online and blogs. The Washington Post is a dying medium, only worth getting wet, getting softened, and gettingleft near the toilet. Chris. Take care all Merry Christmas.

    Leave a Reply

  220. Lafayette said on 27 Dec 2007 at 11:18 am:
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    Barbara,
    I sent you an email. Did you get it?

  221. One Voice said on 27 Dec 2007 at 11:23 am:
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    Beginning with the economic benefit would be the toughest to accomplish simply because of the inherent issues; however, it is on the surface a much more palatable approach than starting with the children.

    There is an economic loss to elminating cheap labor that may kick us further into a recession. I am searching for an article I read that indicated that the entire economy of S. Florida would collapse with deportation of illegal labor.

    This is a catch 22 and it surely did not start under Bush or even Reagan. It likely goes back further. Where is Monticup - he is good with historical analysis from the 60’s…….

  222. Compassionate Conservative said on 27 Dec 2007 at 11:35 am:
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    /\/\3|)iç 64, In regards to your comments -

    “If the border is secure, they can not get back over as easy as they came in. The fines are the first step to self deportation and with open borders, ILLEGAL aliens can go back home unimpeded.”

    There’s no problem with them leaving. A secure border does not prevent anyone from leaving; it restricts entry into the country. Having said that, it is true that the reason that they aren’t leaving is because of the secure border but it’s because the re-entry process will be more difficult. So many people who would have otherwise left, have instead decided to stay put.

  223. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 27 Dec 2007 at 11:36 am:
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    Barbara, Everyone develops a reputation online. I am sure those who have read your husband’s posts knew it wasn’t his style. It is possible that there are other Chris Cummings’ out there and it is possible they used chris cumminga because that is their name. I am not defending what they did, but step back a bit and look at the picture from an outside perspective. People that post here know how your husband posts. If something seems way off base, I do not say much because someone has hijacked the handle and is trying to make someone look bad. If I have their email address, I will ask them about it.

  224. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 27 Dec 2007 at 11:41 am:
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    CC, According to an article I read, they are leaving AZ. The housing market slowdown has left them without jobs. Sometimes I just put things out there tongue in cheek (c; The secure border was one of those comments. I forget to place a disclaimer on them sometimes (c:

    I feel they are going back and they will keep going back. I feel those who have anchor babies will be harder to get rid of since they can weather the economic storm with the welfare assistance they receive.

    Lafayette, I emailed you back. (c:

  225. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 27 Dec 2007 at 11:43 am:
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    The article I was referring to:
    http://fairproxy.com/2007/12/22/illegal-immigrants-packing-up-and-leaving-arizona/

  226. Lafayette said on 27 Dec 2007 at 12:28 pm:
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    Here’s a story about one employer from Newport News that will have to be coughing up some of their ill gained profits.

    Federal authorities are seeking more than $6 million from Peabody Corp. for purportedly hiring at least 126 illegal aliens during more than 300 fishing trips since at least 2003.
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071227/METRO/549525792/1004
    We need more employers being held accountable for their actions, and our laws enforce regarding hiring of illegals.

  227. Lafayette said on 27 Dec 2007 at 12:31 pm:
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    corr: our laws ENFORCED regarding hiring of illegals.

    /\/\3|)iç 64,
    Thanks for that article. The self deportations sure began around here after the initial vote by the PWCBOS on 7/10/2007. We are always talking about the security of our borders. How secure are our nation’s ports?

  228. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 27 Dec 2007 at 12:34 pm:
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    While I agree there will be a downturn in the economy once the ILLEGAL aliens are deported, it will correct itself. They are intertwined in such a way that it will be a bit costly in the beginning, but over time, it will even out and we will have lower unemployment and less relying on welfare. This will offset the economy problem that we may face. My vote is for the candidate that will secure the border the fastest.

  229. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 27 Dec 2007 at 12:36 pm:
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    Lafayette, Good question. There are so many containers coming into the US we could not possibly inspect them all. The Navy and Coast Guard will stop larger surface ships that are not legal, but who is to say they will look twice at an innocent looking yacht?

  230. Jane D'oh! said on 27 Dec 2007 at 12:43 pm:
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    Lafayette said on 27 Dec 2007 at 12:28 pm:

    We need more employers being held accountable for their actions, and our laws enforce regarding hiring of illegals.

    ——–

    Indeed we do.

    Check out what businesses in AZ are trying now…. They want their identities kept secret if they get in trouble with the state for knowingly hiring illegal aliens so that they don’t get in trouble with the feds too!

    “Revealing their identities could subject the employers to prosecution under federal law, the business attorneys said, which already makes it illegal to hire undocumented workers.”

    The poor dears!

    http://www.examiner.com/a-1124961~Battle_brewing_over_employer_sanctions_lawsuit.html

  231. Lafayette said on 27 Dec 2007 at 12:59 pm:
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    Jane,
    Thanks. Poor dears, indeed.
    There’s no need for their names to be kept a secret. What if they are regional or national chains? We need to know who the enemies amongst us are. These employers need to be charged and penalized to the fullest extent of the law, and this includes local, state, and Federal laws.

  232. One Voice said on 27 Dec 2007 at 1:02 pm:
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    We likely have all the laws we need on the books now - we should just use the resources we have now and begin to press. It will have a roll out impact. Goodness knows we don’t need any more laws or spend anymore time writing them. We just need to use what we have..

  233. Lafayette said on 27 Dec 2007 at 1:19 pm:
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    One Voice,
    You have a very good point. What really need is ENFORCEMENT of the laws on the books. Now, the question would be how to get this to happen?

  234. One Voice said on 27 Dec 2007 at 1:28 pm:
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    Our legislators need to examine the funding provided to enforcement agencies to assure they have the resources they need to carry out their missions. Just like Gen Petrhaeus presented his case to congress, enforcement agencies need to meet with all levels of government and tell them what they need. Who knows better? I think our local legislators should hold a special inquiry in their jurisdictions and then again at the state level to find out what is needed. Enforcement agencies know the laws, know how to use them, have the intelligence and simply know what to do. If new laws are needed, then that can happen after enforcement begins. Although I firmly agree with English as a national language, where would you rather legislators spend their time - getting that passed or appropriating funds effectively? We can do that later, if they are willing to forgo their name in the news!! :)

  235. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 27 Dec 2007 at 1:39 pm:
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    Enforcing what we have on the books will be a good start. Just by removing the ILLEGAL aliens will save 330B. That money can be used to go for the fight. Of course, congress will want to use it for their pet projects and eat it away. Reduce the benefits for the ILLEGAL aliens. If this means education, so be it. If the tap is turned off, the water will recede. I do not think we should be educating ILLEGAL aliens anyway. This takes away from our own children. I am for putting the US first from now on and forget about all the aid going to countries that do not appreciate it in the long run.

    The Pakistani official that was assassinated today is the one reason we should just take care of ourselves and not worry about the rest of the world. Secure our borders, use our resources and technology to enhance the American way of life and we would be better off. Increase mileage on the vehicles and we decrease the dependency on oil. Decrease that and we decrease the need to provide aid to the countries that have it. Saves money in the long run which could fund the fuel efficiency of our cars.

  236. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 27 Dec 2007 at 1:49 pm:
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    Of course those businesses do not want to have their names out. The defendants have the right to face their accusers. They will loose this one IMHO. This is a case of wanting their cake and eat it as well. One or the other, either drop the case or let the defendant face their accuser.

  237. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 27 Dec 2007 at 2:14 pm:
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    NORTH BALTIMORE, Ohio Dec 21, 2007 (AP)

    The last World War I veteran in Ohio, and one of only three known remaining U.S. veterans of the conflict, has died.

    J. Russell Coffey was the last WWI vet in the state, according to the Veterans Affairs Department. He died Thursday at the age of 109, said the Smith-Crates Funeral Home in North Baltimore, about 35 miles south of Toledo.

    The funeral home did not say where Coffey died or the cause of death. He had been living in the Blakely Care Center, a nursing home.

    Coffey, born Sept. 1, 1898, did not see action overseas. He enlisted in the Army while he was a student at Ohio State University in October 1918, a month before the Allied powers and Germany signed a cease-fire agreement.

    Coffey played semi pro baseball, earned a doctorate in education from New York University, taught high school and college and raised a family.

    He drove his car until he was 104 and lived on his own until three years ago, according to the funeral home.

    The other known surviving American soldiers are Frank Buckles, 106, of Charles Town, W.Va., and Harry Landis, of Sun City Center, Fla., according to the Veterans Affairs Department.
    ______________

    This type of news is important IMHO. Everyone should take a moment and thank these men for their sacrifice, in their own way.

  238. Bridget said on 27 Dec 2007 at 3:22 pm:
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    Thanks for the link, Jane D’oh!

    When you consider how often the open borders/cheap labor lobby has proclaimed that “It’s not the states job to pick up the slack for the federal government regarding immigration enforcement.” and “Immigration is a federal issue.” I find it hilarious that these lawyers are now urging the state of Arizona to deflect federal law enforcement … incredible.

  239. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 27 Dec 2007 at 3:42 pm:
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    Bridget, Just another example of choosing which laws to follow and which ones they do not want to. Once this ILLEGAL alien issue is put on the front burner, the better off we all will be.
    ____________________________________

    For those wanting some counter information about the Iraq war:

    John Glenn…

    There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January. In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January.

    That’s just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq.

    When some claim that President Bush shouldn’t have started this war, state the following:

    a. FDR led us into World War II.

    b. Germany never attacked us; Japan did.
    From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

    c. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea.
    North Korea never attacked us.
    From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year.

    d. John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
    Vietnam never attacked us.

    e. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
    From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

    f. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.
    Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden’s head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

    g. In the years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida,
    put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran, and North Korea without firing a shot and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

    The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking.

    But Wait….There’s more

    It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation.

    We’ve been looking for evidence for chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

    It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

    It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!

    Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB! The Military morale is high!

    The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts.

    But wait!

    There’s more!

    JOHN GLENN (on the Senate floor - January 26, 2004)

    Some people still don’t understand why military personnel do what they do for a living. This exchange between Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive impromptu speech, but it’s also a good example of one
    man’s explanation of why men and women in the armed services do what they do for a living.

    This IS a typical, though sad, example of what some who have never served think of the military.

    Senator Metzenbaum (speaking to Senator Glenn):
    ‘How can you run for Senate when you’ve never held a real job?’

    Senator Glenn (D-Ohio):
    ‘I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps. I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions. My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn’t my
    checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the daily cash receipts to the bank.’

    ‘I ask you to go with me, as I went the other day, to a veteran’s hospital and look those men, with their mangled bodies, in the eye, and tell THEM they didn’t hold a job!

    You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to the widows and Orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee, and you look those kids in the eye and tell them
    that their DADS didn’t hold a job.

    You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends buried than I’d like to remember, and you watch those waving flags.

    You stand there, and you think about this nation, and you tell ME that those people didn’t have a job?

    What about you?’ For those who don’t remember During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA.

    Now he’s a Senator!

    If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in English thank a Veteran.

  240. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 27 Dec 2007 at 4:11 pm:
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    It is starting to work:
    http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2007/12/dragnet_against_fugitive_immig.html

    We have to let the ILLEGAL aliens know we are tired of them breaking the law and their time is limited.
    ____________

    Imagine this in a sanctuary city?

    http://www.khou.com/news/local/politics/stories/khou071226_tj_illegalsimmigration.5610f87b.html

    They deserve this for harboring ILLEGAL aliens. They are bringing this on themselves. I wonder how long cities will be sanctuary cities when all of the ILLEGAL aliens invade their towns and run them into the ground? How long before it is no longer “cool” to be a sanctuary city?

  241. independent thinker said on 27 Dec 2007 at 4:50 pm:
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    Medic,

    Thought it might be important to see some alternate information.

    Summary of the eRumor
    Said to be debate between Senators John Glenn and Howard Meztenbaum on the floor of the Senate.
    Metzenbaum accused Glenn of never having held a real job.
    Glenn responded by saying he had served 23 years as a Marine including 2 wars, flying 149 missions, having his plane hit 12 times by anti-aircraft fire plus his years in NASA and as an astronaut.
    He asks Metzenbaum to go with him to visit wounded soldiers or the families of the Apollo astronauts who were killed and tell them those veterans didn’t have a real job.
    Glenn then says he did indeed have a real job and asks Metzenbaum, “How about you.”
    The eRumor closes with the comment that during World War II Metzenbaum was an attorney representing the Communist party.

    The Truth
    This exchange did take place but not on the floor of the Senate, but the wording of Glenn’s words if fairly accurate.
    It was during the campaign debate in 1974 when Metzenbaum was running for reelection and Glenn was challenging him.
    Glenn and Metzenbaum had also run against each other for the same seat four years earlier, a race that Metzenbaum had won.
    A few days prior to the debate, Metzenbaum made a widely publicized statement that said that Glenn had never met a payroll (he didn’t actually say that he’d never held a real job).
    In other words, Glenn had been a military man not a businessman, like Metzenbaum, who had created a major newspaper and a nation-wide parking company.
    Metzenbaum did not repeat that charge during the debate, but Glenn came prepared to respond to it and did it so powerfully that he also went on to win the election.

    If Howard Metzenbaum represented the Communist party as an attorney during World War II, we have not found substantiaton for that.

  242. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 27 Dec 2007 at 5:08 pm:
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    IT, That is good information. This is all about exchanging information. if the information I posted was not correct and you have found the right information, I am not above reproach to say I had it wrong.

  243. independent thinker said on 27 Dec 2007 at 5:16 pm:
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    :)

  244. Dolph said on 27 Dec 2007 at 5:16 pm:
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    I would try using accurate facts if I were going to attempt to write a piece of revisionist history in an attempt to discredit a political party. Major events in history are never single dimensional and cannot be reduced to sound bites, regardless of which party you happen to be captured by.

    ‘ It is well that war is so terrible — lest we should grow too fond of it.’

    …Robert E. Lee

  245. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 27 Dec 2007 at 5:25 pm:
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    Dolph, I took the source as it stood. It can happen that there are some facts that have been skewed in the reproduction of the story. Tell a secret game comes to mind.

    I used the facts as I had them and from a source I considered reliable.

  246. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 27 Dec 2007 at 5:27 pm:
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    The facts above the Glenn portion are correct in my recollection of Hist classes in college. (c;

  247. One Voice said on 27 Dec 2007 at 5:31 pm:
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    The Pakistani “official” former Prime Minister Bhutto who was assasinated to today, was attempting to bring a democracy to Pakistan. Pakistan is likely harboring al queda and every other evil terrorist in the mid east. This could very well be the match that lights the very large explosive torch in the MidEast. I think we should pay attention. I think this could be bad.

  248. Dolph said on 27 Dec 2007 at 6:19 pm:
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    Just for starters, I guess German U-boats sinking over 100 of our merchant marine ships prior to Decembr 7, 1941 doesn’t count as an attack? Silly me.

    Kennedy STARTED war in Vietnam? Truman started the Korean Conflict?

    I grow weary now………

  249. Alexandrianagainstillegals said on 27 Dec 2007 at 6:59 pm:
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    Anyone from here go to this meeting last night (wednesday night?)

    Says people from MD, VA, DC attended. I didnt hear anything about it until today.

    http://www.gazette.net/stories/122607/rocknew83701_32361.shtml

  250. One Voice said on 27 Dec 2007 at 7:12 pm:
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    I found this summary of US History a tad mystifying myself…..

  251. monticup said on 27 Dec 2007 at 7:56 pm:
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    What I remember of Metzenbaum is that he is the Senator who was in cohouts with Ted Kennedy to smear Clarence Thomas with false accusations. The staffs of those two Senators prepped Anita Hill and got her to lie about Clarence Thomas during his confirmation hearings.

  252. independent thinker said on 27 Dec 2007 at 9:07 pm:
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    One Voice,

    Yes, the assasination of Bhutto and the attempted assasination of another candidate today is extremely bad news for Pakistan and our struggle against extemist elements of Islam. This is a bigger threat to our long term security than any “invasion” of Mexicans could ever be. Our unflinching support of Musharif could very well be the nail in our coffin in Pakistan.

    A Washington-based friend of Bhutto’s, Mark Siegel, told CNN that the former prime minister had been “very concerned that she was not getting the security that she had asked for,” including devices used to jam cell phone signals.

    “She had asked for special tinted cars, she had asked for four vehicles to surround her at all times,” Siegel said. “All of that was denied to her.

    Gul asserted that a suicide bomber couldn’t have carried out the attack without being forewarned of Bhutto’s movements with a cell phone or other device.

    Bhutto had complained after the October assassination attempt in the city of Karachi that jamming devices had not been working, Gul said.

    “Why were the jammers not working? She had been begging the government after the attack in Karachi saying the jammers were faulty then,” he said. “I know that these things could not occur if the jammers are working.”

  253. monticup said on 27 Dec 2007 at 9:23 pm:
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    re: Benazir Bhutto. Her niece has a column in the LA Times today. Benazir Bhutto had her own brother assassinated. Bhutto and her husband have been involved in corruption in Pakistan on a grand scale. Bhutto was not anti-terrorist. She should not have been assassinated but we do have to be aware of what we’re dealing with here.

  254. Dolph said on 27 Dec 2007 at 9:29 pm:
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    Maybe, maybe not re: Bhutto. I tend to look at things like that with a grain of salt.

  255. independent thinker said on 27 Dec 2007 at 9:49 pm:
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    I did some research and see where the niece clearly has many angry feelings towards here aunt, but none are substantiated by anything remotely resembling a fact. I don’t believe any politician can be put on a pedestal, but she had no reason to go back to Pakistan, demonstrated from the attack on the day she arrived, she knew her life was clearly in danger. I don’t believe she was motivated by money. My friends father had a famous saying, “I’ve never seen a hearse with a u-haul”.

  256. Loudoun said on 28 Dec 2007 at 5:35 am:
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    Alexandrianagainstillegals said on 27 Dec 2007 at 6:59 pm:

    Yes, Alexandrianagainstillegals, I went to the meeting last Wednesday at Judicial Watch to discuss forming a regional coalition of groups in Maryland, Virginia, and DC. I also went to the meeting last Monday at the Rockville Library where our speaker was ICE Senior Special Joseph Beahn. Mr. Beahn said if ICE is called, they will come. We have not been hearing the complete truth from our police chiefs.

    Most of the Help Save groups from Virginia attended, as well as Defend DC, different chapters of Help Save Maryland, and ANCIR, among others.

    This was a preliminary meeting to get the ball rolling on a regional coalition of groups opposed to illegal immigration.

    The important thing to note is that Judicial Watch is supportive of filing defensible lawsuits against agencies that cater/aid illegal aliens. The laws in Virginia are much more favorable for law suits than in Maryland. In fact, Judicial Watch is responsible for the Herndon Day Laborer Center being shut down.

  257. Loudoun said on 28 Dec 2007 at 5:36 am:
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    corr:

    Senior Special Agent Joseph Beahn

  258. Bridget said on 28 Dec 2007 at 10:00 am:
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    http://www.judicialwatch.org/judicial-watch-announces-list-washington-s-ten-most-wanted-corrupt-politicians-2007

  259. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 29 Dec 2007 at 9:26 am:
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    Loudoun said on 28 Dec 2007 at 5:35 am:
    Alexandrianagainstillegals said on 27 Dec 2007 at 6:59 pm:

    “I also went to the meeting last Monday at the Rockville Library where our speaker was ICE Senior Special Joseph Beahn. Mr. Beahn said if ICE is called, they will come. We have not been hearing the complete truth from our police chiefs.”

    I think we should all start contacting ICE and giving them all of our information as we develop it! Since our local cops “cannot seem to do anything at this point” let’s start giving ICE the information! We need to start seeing local raids in our area.

  260. Loudoun said on 29 Dec 2007 at 11:17 am:
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    Patriot - are you a member of the church that was tagged by SUR-13?

  261. Alexandrianagainstillegals said on 30 Dec 2007 at 11:21 am:
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    They can start raiding all the McDonalds.

  262. Anonymous said on 1 Jan 2008 at 10:04 am:
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    Here are some heroes who have been here legally (left when the work visa ran out) and are hoping to return legally as a reward for saving the life of the girl in the Panamanian plane crash. I hope they are permitted a visa to return.

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/12302007/news/worldnews/crash_heroes__hire_us_624135.htm

  263. Bridget said on 1 Jan 2008 at 2:59 pm:
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    Anonymous,

    Not detracting from their commendable efforts to search for and save the girl, but according to the article, Manuel worked in forestry and his brother Miguel is an elecrician.

    If they get the prize they want - U.S. work visas - do they also get to choose a U.S. forestry employee and a U.S. electrician to replace?

    If two American guys had saved a Panamanian girl from a plane wreck, what sort of award do you think they would have be granted?

  264. Anonymous said on 1 Jan 2008 at 4:20 pm:
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    What, you don’t want legal immigrants here either, Bridget? They saved a 12 year old American girl’s life. They are being offered $25,000 and are asking for visas instead of the money. That is commendable in its own right.

    Oh yeah. If two Americans had done it, they’d be offered a movie deal on Lifetime, for sure…

  265. Bridget said on 1 Jan 2008 at 5:21 pm:
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    What, and you can’t consider for a slim moment that granting two U.S. work visas could impact two American workers?

    AND NO, I do not want immigrants, legal or illegal ,if they impact American jobs and possibly put Americans out of work.

    They saved a child. As previously stated, THEIR EFFORTS ARE COMMENDABLE. They did a good thing and millions do good things every day without expecting to hit the jackpot as a result.

    I can well imagine many who would do the same WITHOUT expecting a big opportunistic payoff.

    Back in ‘82 my father helped rescue three kids out of a burning car. There was no freaking Lifetime movie deal or fat check in it for him. He got a small plack from the local fire and rescue department and a handshake from the Chief. His reward was knowing those kids did not perish. Thats more than plenty for most.

    What would really be commendable is if they turned down any form of reward.

    And if you think turning down 25 grand in order to get two U.S. work visas is an act of sacrifice … guess again.

    Chill out. I have no say in the matter. Neither do you. You have your opinion, so do I. Free speech sucks that way, for sure…

  266. Lafayette said on 1 Jan 2008 at 5:59 pm:
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    Alright Bridget! We ALL have our own opinions. :)

  267. Anonymous said on 1 Jan 2008 at 7:01 pm:
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    My sister-in-law came here legally a year ago. I suppose you are angry she works at Walmart. Taking a job away from an American. She came her legally and has the right to work. Why should anyone stop her because she speaks English as a second language or she is an Asian/Pacific Islander on the application box.

    Turning down $25K means to me that they would rather work for what they have then be given it. I would rather have two legal heroes in my country than a bunch of illegal arrivals.

    I have my opinion Lafayette. Am I not entitled to it because it doesn’t match up with yours?

  268. Lafayette said on 1 Jan 2008 at 7:23 pm:
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    Anon,
    Oh, no I’m not of that mind set at all. I’m one of the most open minded you will find here on bvbl. I have respect for others and that includes their opinions even if I don’t agree with them. Good luck finding many more like me. I can only think of about 5 others. I NEVER said you or anyone else was not entitled to their opinion. I am one who can AGREE TO DISAGREE. I think of myself as RATIONAL, NOT RADICAL. Think about it.

    She’s here LEGALLY, and that’s no problem.
    The problem lies with the ILLEGALS. I welcome all legal immigrants. I’ve live my entire life next to legal immigrants from England, Germany, and two Guatamalen families. Don’t think you’ll get me on that one.

  269. Anonymous said on 1 Jan 2008 at 9:12 pm:
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    Lafayette -

    This is the comment from Bridget that I took exception too…”AND NO, I do not want immigrants, legal or illegal ,if they impact American jobs and possibly put Americans out of work.” You didn’t stand up and say you were for legal immigration, you merely supported Bridget and, in a way, dismissive of my support for two people who were here legally before and are seeking a return for doing something noble. I do tend to think of you as open minded, which was why I was disappoint in your support for her views against legal immigrants like my sister-in-law.

  270. Lafayette said on 1 Jan 2008 at 10:23 pm:
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    Anonymous,
    I guess, I should’ve been clearer I was saying “alright” to her saying “I have my opinion and you have yours”. This is not an attitude taken my many. I’m inclinded to think you’d agree with me on that. No, I’ve worked with many legal immigrants, have written letters on behalf of employees that were in the process of becoming citizens, and remember all of us quizzing one neighbor as she was preparing to become a citizen. We all learned a lot, and the adults got a refresher course in US History.
    Hey, how about picking a handle or put something after that anon like a number/letter/character? Please, it keeps the confusion of the “anons” down. You seem reasonable. :)

  271. Bridget said on 2 Jan 2008 at 6:37 am:
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    Anon,

    You can take exeption all you like, anon.

    As I see it, the problem is not with the immigrants but a currently dysfunctional immigration policy. A policy that should be serving the national interests -

    The problem is not where immigrants come from but with what they bring with them - ANY soveriegn nation on this planet has the right to formulate, decide and enforce it’s immigration policy. ANY nation has the right to decide who can and can’t enter based on national interests and what is best for it’s citizenry.

    If I set my heart on emigrating to Mexico, Malaysia, Sweden, Japan or Jamaica (pick a nation-any nation) - I would still need to abide by the immigration policy of my nation of choice - and those policies are going to favor the national interests over my desires. Favor the needs of the citizens first and foremost.

    What we have now is a system that places the desires of the immigrant over the citizenry. A system that is rife with abuse and fraud. A visa lottery system that negates any national concerns. A system of family chain migration that has created a huge backlog of applicants and each applicants sole claim to wanting entry is based on a family tie - regardless of how or if that person is a benefit or burden. Nepotism 101.

    http://www.englishfirst.org/ballots/citusa6000.htm

    http://www.justice-denied.net/INSCorruption_01.htm

    Every nation can decide whether allowing immigrants in will be a benefit or a burden - ecenomicaly and culturally - Whether they want to be dependant on foreign labor - Whether by importing immigrants they are duplicating their own labor recourses and competing with and possibly displacing their own people.

    Who the heck can stand up for legal immigration when the whole process is in a state of chaos. When immigration has been turned into an industry rife with fraud and lax standards. Who, after all, is insulted most by this shoddy system? Every immigrant who has acted honorably to become part of this nation.

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