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Christmas Crime Wave

By Greg L | 27 December 2007 | Crime | 244 Comments

I’m getting some report that while I’ve been away, SUR-13 has been busy spraying graffitti around the neighborhood (and even tagged my church!), and a nightspot that caters to the hispanic community in Manassas Park was the site of a Christmas-eve armed robbery that left one waitress injured. Even though the crime rate has been decreasing, according to official statistics, it sure doesn’t feel that way.

More on this when I get back in town this weekend…



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244 Comments

  1. AWCheney said on 27 Dec 2007 at 4:24 pm:
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    We’ve seen with the Rack N’ Roll situation that the police can skew the “crime statistics” any way that suits them. I’d view any numbers that they come up with (especially in Manassas Park) with a cynical eye, quite frankly.

  2. Anonymous said on 27 Dec 2007 at 5:16 pm:
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    Ah, bashing Manassas Park yet again… I suppose you would tell me that I am a liar if I told you that the police department here has always been responsive and helpful in dealing with all matters great and small. The police and city got our HOA to quit dragging their feet a few years back and remove tagging on our mailbox units and in common areas. And no, Mrs. Cheney, I am not on the nice side of town or part of the ring of corruption you have suggested repeatedly. I realize all of this qualifies as anecdotal rather then statistical information, but the officers here are fine men. It sickens me to see them collectively trashed either specifically or through insinuation.

    I get sick of the beatdown we get here on a regular basis.

  3. Anonymous said on 27 Dec 2007 at 5:21 pm:
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    Just doing the jobs no one else will do.

  4. One Voice said on 27 Dec 2007 at 5:46 pm:
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    True, things always feel larger when they affect you personnally as they should. That’s a shame about tagging a church.

  5. park'd said on 27 Dec 2007 at 5:46 pm:
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    A spot in Manassas Park that caters to the Hispanic crowd? Surely you jest….

    The police in the park are no better or worse than police in any other town. They are mostly filled with brave men and women who do a thankless job with a scattering of bad apples who bring them down and drag their name in the mud. The ones responsible for the Rack and Roll scandal have not been arrested and tried with a crime so until that happens the rest of that force will have a bad name. The people that run Manassas Park are the TRUE bad apples. From the mayor to the city council, to the upper echelon of their police force it appears to me and anyone else with a brain are in it to grab as much of the pie for themselves at the expense of the law abiding community. Once they start policing their police, stop lip-servicing about illegal immigration, stop charging outrageous taxes, stop calling those of us concerned with these issues morons and racists then maybe we can take them seriously again. Until that day comes, they will all be painted with the brush of corruption.

  6. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 27 Dec 2007 at 5:58 pm:
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    Yet another Anonymous spouting. Take time to come up with a “handle” / name to help lessen confusion when everyone posts Anonymous it gets way to confusing to hold any type of conversation.

    When you do that, I will be happy to debate/discuss the matter with you and give your post some credit. Until then, just more spouting from someone too lazy to post a name to associate their post with.

  7. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 27 Dec 2007 at 6:04 pm:
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    park’d, I have not been to MP much so I am not familiar with their police force. I would only want to be familiar with it as a law abiding citizen ONLY!!! (c; I personally have purchased lunches for 6 PWC Police and 3 Fire fighters @ Foster’s next to K-Mart. I do not even tell them my name when they ask. I just reply, a grateful citizen.

    There are bad apples in every group, but I do not let them spoil it for all. I tell the EMS folks thank you every chance I get. I know what it is like being on that side of the badge and how much it meant to me to have someone come up and thank me for my effort. I herniated a disc in my back, a career ending injury, saving the life of a diabetic. The family didn’t even thank me for my efforts. They knew I was hurt because I was in the ER bed next to him in pain.

    It is a thankless job and those on the front line need to be thanked for the work they do. I understand your point about corruption and when that is in place, it is hard to be thankful.

  8. Lafayette said on 27 Dec 2007 at 6:08 pm:
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    I saw Greg’s church a short while ago, and my battery in my camera was dead by the time I got down there. There was a utility box that got tagged and the back of sign with Christmas services on it on the back of the sign. I have posted pictures of a Stop sign that was tagged and VDOT has yet to do anything about it, and the utility pole which NOVEC has taken care. NOVEC is very good about getting right out there and getting the crap cleaned up. Here’s the pictures along with the rest.
    http://good-times.webshots.com/album/561333843rNGkke?start=24
    ***
    Anons,
    M64 is right, you need to pick a handle to avoid confusion. Not all anons are of the same train of thought, and you don’t know one from the other. Well, if you don’t want to pick a name.. please, throw a number/letter/character after anon. This will seperate you from the rest.

  9. Anon1 said on 27 Dec 2007 at 6:37 pm:
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    Fine… here you go

  10. Lafayette said on 27 Dec 2007 at 6:47 pm:
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    Anon1,
    Thank you very much.
    Are you both of the anon’s above or 5:16 or 5:21?

  11. The Truth said on 27 Dec 2007 at 6:58 pm:
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    Don’t you see how Greg is still trying to fan the flames of hatred towards all hispanics now…not just illegals. He knows that Christmas has a symbolic meaning for you guys and he pushes your buttons like a puppeteer…and you guys dance just like the puppets you are.

    He’s trying to ingrain in your minds Hispanic = Gang. Just like the nazis did with the jews…

    Ask yourselves…is this really a crime wave?

  12. Anon1 said on 27 Dec 2007 at 7:04 pm:
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    Only 5:16

  13. Anon1 said on 27 Dec 2007 at 7:18 pm:
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    What symbolic meaning does Christmas have? A fat man in a red suit? I don’t miss the parallels you are trying to draw, but what does that have to do with Santa?

  14. Lafayette said on 27 Dec 2007 at 7:21 pm:
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    Anon1,
    Thanks for the clarification.

    The Truth,
    Some of the things Greg listed HAD already been discussed on prior thread. Yes, some of it has already been cleaned up. It looks like you are the one fanning the flames with the childish name calling. Last time I checked the SUR gang is a hispanic gang. I personally don’t see this as a crime wave. This crap goes on all the time not just Christmas.

  15. One Voice said on 27 Dec 2007 at 7:31 pm:
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    Truth, you were the first to mention crime wave. Tagging must be removed immediately to mitigate the reason it is done in the first place. As pointed out, this is nothing new, the people here are tracking the response. Tagging can be done to point blame as well.

  16. monticup said on 27 Dec 2007 at 8:00 pm:
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    The Truth: Are you saying that the Hispanic gangs are not a problem?

  17. The Truth said on 27 Dec 2007 at 9:05 pm:
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    One Voice said “Truth, you were the first to mention crime wave”

    Uhhh…actually one voice, check out the name of this thread. DUH!

    Q: How come you can’t see that Greg is always hungry for stories like this to keep the embers of anger burning?

    A: Because you don’t want to know.

  18. park'd said on 27 Dec 2007 at 9:18 pm:
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    All I have to do to keep the embers of anger burning is to look out my front window. I don’t need Greg or anyone else for that matter to galvanize me into being an illegal alien opponent. Neither would you if you actually had to live amongst them. If you don’t live it then zip it.

  19. Dolph said on 27 Dec 2007 at 9:36 pm:
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    The Truth,

    DOH DOH DOH. Is that the best you can do? You don’t know One Voice and you don’t know her beliefs or you wouldn’t have made such an unfounded statement.

    You obviously are new here. Doing a drive-by for stage effect really isn’t going to cut it. Come up with better rhetoric than doh and know who you are talking too before making an ass of yourself.

  20. independent thinker said on 27 Dec 2007 at 10:04 pm:
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    Truth makes a valid point about “fanning the flames”. Much of what Greg posts has some inflammatory undercurrent towards hispanics. It surprises me that people who post are offended when people like me dare to suggest there is a racist undertone to this blog. I don’t read about asian gangs or other ethnic groups “leaving the storm door open”. I don’t read about people speaking Urdu and not English. I read about hispanics over and over and over. That is why I will continue to say that Greg’s blog is not the forum in which to work towards any meaningful fair and comprehensive immigration solution.

  21. independent thinker said on 27 Dec 2007 at 10:14 pm:
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    Truth,
    Very powerful clip of one of my all time favorite movies. Thank you.

  22. me-n-u said on 27 Dec 2007 at 10:27 pm:
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    independent thinker- how many Asain gangs are there in the PWC area? I NEVER hear of them, and you would think you would if there was a problem. The only storm doors I see open DO happen to be Hispanic.

  23. Clairese Lippincott said on 27 Dec 2007 at 10:38 pm:
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    The Liberals are all cooing, “Ooooh! The Diversity of it all……Ooooh!”

    The term is, “vandalism.” Using a euphemism such as tagging, especially when a house of worship has been defaced, does not communicate the contempt that the pea brained turd displayed for the church and the community.

    Had enough “DIVERSITY” yet?

  24. 999 said on 27 Dec 2007 at 10:41 pm:
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    independent thinker said on 27 Dec 2007 at 10:04 pm:
    I don’t read about asian gangs or other ethnic groups “leaving the storm door open”. I don’t read about people speaking Urdu and not English. I read about hispanics over and over and over.

    No Asian gangs in this area that I am aware of (at least, if there are they are not spray painting property and living in bunk houses. If the shoe fits, WEAR IT!

  25. independent thinker said on 27 Dec 2007 at 10:47 pm:
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    to 999 and menu,

    Exactly my point! Thank you for reinforcing my point that illegal immigration IS all about hispanics and no one else.

  26. Leeroy Jenkins said on 27 Dec 2007 at 10:58 pm:
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    You tell ‘em, Truth!

    Amor de Rey!

  27. 999 said on 27 Dec 2007 at 11:09 pm:
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    We are only here so we can “take care” of our families.

    http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/14933823/detail.html

  28. Dignidad said on 27 Dec 2007 at 11:12 pm:
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    There is a racist undertone only for those who desperately search for evidence of racism. They see only what they want to see. The pro-illegal people fan the flames of racism and incite the Hispanics to feel more victimized and angry. This doesn’t help them at all and it makes it worse for all of us.
    Also, making apples to oranges comparisons like Truth did is counterproductive and misleading (untruthful).
    I had a conversation this morning with a Hispanic about the movie Red Dawn. He said that he watched it with his brother in the eighties. At that time, with just a few years here, they both enjoyed the Soviet attack and were rooting for them to win. Although he has changed a lot over the years and feels loyal to the USA, he said that his brother probably hasn’t changed how he feels. I know it is just a movie, but I think anyone who would root for the other side in Red Dawn doesn’t belong here.

  29. Michael said on 27 Dec 2007 at 11:20 pm:
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    Independent, you obviously have not read the blogs very much. People here over and over have made the distinction between “illegal” and legal and most here have chastized severly those few who do slip into racist or ethnic name calling and give only specific ethnic group examples of issues and problems. The truth is that a significant number of “illegal” issues are based entirely on population density and the number of incidents associated with “individuals” of specific ethnic groups are more noticeable than others, quite probably due to cultural differences and shear numbers in the country, but not in any way committed by just one ethnic, gender, racial or religious group. Our focus is clearly on the community issues as a result entirely due to “illegal” immigration. Any bad and illegal behavior by any individual of any ethnic group gets pointed out here. The frequency depends on the frequency of the offenders and criminals who commit these affronts on our more civilized and law abiding society

  30. Michael said on 27 Dec 2007 at 11:39 pm:
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    Immigration reform is not about reforming our legal immigration laws. They are actually very good and very fair.

    Immigration reform in the context that every pro-illegal advocate wants is the right for “illegal” people to become “legal”.

    We will not allow that to happen based on the consequence of granting it last time in 1985. The result was an even more severe “illegal” immigrant problem now.

    If you don’t understand that simple difference between “illegal” and legal, then you will not ever understand the difference between a self-segregating ethnic group seeking special privilige and supremacy over another group, and a group in a minority or a majority discrimminating against another minority or majority group you can put a racial, gender, religious or ethnic label on.

    This group is fighting the injustice of both concepts and the damage it does to our community welfare.
    I cannot admonish everyone all the time, so I pick my battles with the most aggregious offenders.

    I’m not picking an argument with you, just pointing out your last comment is what you want to believe but is not true of the majority of people on this blog. We can’t keep all the ignorant ones off the blog as they have a right to free speech too. We have a right to correct them.

    Any one who is PRO-ILLEGAL, i.e advocates that is is ok to break the law, will lose that argument over the long term, and the tide is rapidly turning from political sympathy to common sense about why the law was created the way it was in the first place and why it needs to be enforced, regardless of what people of any ethnic group think.

  31. Lafayette said on 28 Dec 2007 at 12:14 am:
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    Neighborhood Resource Guide for PWC(Source for the myths)
    This is a wealth of information for county residents.
    http://www.pwcgov.org/docLibrary/PDF/004111.pdf
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    GRAFFITI MYTHS
    (Courtesy of the PW Clean Community Council)
    MYTH #1: GRAFFITI IS A VICTIMLESS CRIME.
    The victims of graffiti include property owners who incur tremendous expense in removing graffiti and taxpayers whose dollars are spent on graffiti removal on public buildings, highway structures, etc. Another group of victims is citizens who become uncomfortable and fearful in their own neighborhoods and whose properties often lose value.
    MYTH #2: MOST GRAFFITI IS TERRITORIAL IN NATURE.
    Although gangs often use graffiti to mark territories, the most prevalent form of graffiti is tagging. Tagging is done by young vandals who sometimes work in groups or crews. The primary goal for taggers is peer recognition. Taggers create stylized markings to obtain notoriety among their peers.
    MYTH #3: THE CONNECTION BETWEEN GRAFFITI AND OTHER CRIMES IS DISTANT AND REMOTE.
    Crew members, as well as gang members, often engage in shoplifting of supplies, act as lookouts, become involved in sniffing paint and glue, and write messages about drug transactions. In addition, confrontations among rival tagging crews can end in violence.
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    MYTH #4: GRAFFITI OFFENDERS ARE MOSTLY MINORITIES COMING TO OUR COMMUNITY FROM OTHER AREAS.
    Graffiti vandals can be youngsters 7- or 8-years-old or adults in their 20’s and 30’s. There is also no racial distinction among taggers. Taggers often come from middle and high income families.
    MYTH #5: GRAFFITI IS EVERYWHERE, AND IT IS GOVERNMENT’S AND LAW ENFORCEMENT’S JOBS TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM.
    Government and law enforcement efforts alone will not solve the problem. Community involvement, education, and beautification efforts are key components to reducing and preventing graffiti.

  32. Nosmo King said on 28 Dec 2007 at 8:20 am:
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    Dignidad: “I think anyone who would root for the other side in Red Dawn doesn’t belong here.”

    What an outstanding idea for a citizenship test! Maybe something like this can help us identify the real “Murricans.”

    1. I clapped at the end of “Old Yeller” because I hate dogs. T/F
    2. “Thelma and Louise” is a cautionary tale about what happens to uppity females. T/F
    3. The chick Clint Eastwood rapes in the opening of “High Plains Drifter” was clearly asking for it. T/F
    4. “Where Eagles Dare” could have been shortened considerably if they’d just waterboarded the Nazis to get the information. T/F
    5. “Red Dawn” was a completely plausible movie. T/F
    6. In “Oliver Twist” when Oliver asks for more:
    a. This is reasonable.
    b. Oliver shouldn’t be given handouts; he should have worked harder.
    c. I didn’t see it. Musicals are for faggots and commies.
    7. “The Passion of the Christ”:
    a. Would have been more appropriately titled “The Jesus Chainsaw Massacre”,
    b. Was essentially snuff porn,
    c. Presents a cogent explanation of why we should hate Jews.
    8. In “Team America,” the song “America–F*** Yeah!” is
    a. A great patriotic anthem
    b. A clever parody of excessive jingoism.
    9. Steven Seagal
    a. Couldn’t act his way out of a paper bag
    b. Confuses emoting with “looking constipated.”
    c. Is a great American who makes deeply thoughtful movies and would make a fine governor someday.
    10. Which is preferable, subtitling or dubbing foreign films? Explain.

    Correct Answers: 1-F, 2-T, 3-T, 4-T, 5-T, 6-b or c, 7-c, 8-a, 9-c, 10-Neither; foreign films are for pussies, everyone should speak Murrikan.

    Score: 8-10: True redblooded American
    6-8: American, but probably one of them dirty libruls.
    3-5: We don’t take kindly to your sort, boy.
    0-4: Git outta mah country!!

  33. Patty said on 28 Dec 2007 at 8:48 am:
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    Correct me if I’m wrong but did someone on here say that this grafitti is a made up story to fan the flames.

    The grafitti is real. Lafayette posted a link to some pictures of it. It is a crime and it is real. I’ve got pictures too.

    If you don’t believe you can do your own drive by.

    I’m just amazed how some don’t want to see the truth.

  34. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 28 Dec 2007 at 8:56 am:
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    Michael, I agree with your entire post, not often that happens with someone. I have yet to specify Hispanics with any of my posts unless it was about Hispanics. I use the term ILLEGAL alien, not immigrant because, as it was pointed out to me, immigrant implies some sort of rights and reasonable entry into the country. This takes away from those who waited their turn to be here.

    I have said many times, I have no issue with my fellow LEGAL citizens no matter where they are from. I do not understand why the Hispanics think they have the market cornered on ILLEGAL alien status. It is more groups and races than them.

  35. Jane D'oh! said on 28 Dec 2007 at 9:14 am:
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    independent thinker,

    Perhaps you can clarify.

    “The Truth” has a valid point in his/her anti-Christian bigotry, calling some who post here a bunch of Nazi-like puppets?

    “The Truth” implies that the title of Greg’s post was some diabolical plot to “fan the flames” of racism among a bunch of ignorant Christians and your reaction is, “Truth makes a valid point….”

    I’m pretty new here and not that familiar with your postings. Is it standard procedure for you to validate inflammatory rhetoric and bigotry…. Depending?

  36. Jane D'oh! said on 28 Dec 2007 at 9:30 am:
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    /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 28 Dec 2007 at 8:56 am:

    I do not understand why the Hispanics think they have the market cornered on ILLEGAL alien status. It is more groups and races than them.
    ________

    You’re right and Ireland is trying to work out some sort of special deal for the many, many thousands of illegal alien Irish here now.

    http://www.nysun.com/article/68293?page_no=1

  37. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 28 Dec 2007 at 9:34 am:
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    Truth, I do not see how discussing tagging done by a gang is ” fanning the flames” of hate against Hispanics. The majority of the members of the SUR-13 gang are Hispanic or Latino, FACT. To follow your reasoning to its end, one would have to assume that all democrats are brainwashed liberals that want a socialist state. I am aware of a few dems that do not want that, so to lump all of them in one group is preposterous. You have just made a general statement about people you have never met. You do not know me nor do you know all of my true feelings on this subject, yet you took it upon yourself to say I follow someone blindly. Since you do not obviously know everyone here and what is in our minds, take your drive-by rhetoric and move along. I do not say this because I disagree with you, but because you make general statements about people you obviously do not know. I do not have the time to discuss broad statements painting me as a “puppet” just because I happen to have the same thought process as many here do. I am not against Hispanics, I am against ILLEGAL aliens. ALL ILLEGAL aliens, no matter where they come from or what race they are. Citizens of America are getting tired of ILLEGAL aliens coming into the country and trying to tell us how to do things. We are tired of ILLEGAL aliens coming into the country and telling us we have to accept them as they are and they will not ASSIMILATE. That is where the rubber meets the road so to speak. So, when you come into a blog be sure to know the ENTIRE story and not just a post or thread or two. I will now kick my soapbox to the next one. (c;

  38. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 28 Dec 2007 at 9:41 am:
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    Jane D’oh!, The only problem I see with this is the fact that it will have the appearance of discrimination. This just helps bolster my point, in that there are OTHER groups of people here ILLEGALLY. I do not agree with this solution. If we do it for Ireland, we have to do it for all which winds up being amnesty, which is not an option. How can we do this and not appear discriminatory?

  39. Jane D'oh! said on 28 Dec 2007 at 9:59 am:
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    Medic,

    We’re agreeing–it absolutely would be discriminatory. I posted the link to the article to illustrate your point that it isn’t just hispanics. :)

    We have people from ALL OVER the world here illegally who have no right to expect citizenship just because their feet hit US soil and they decide they’re going to stick around.

    We have had one amnesty debacle after another for two decades now and I think it’s fair and reasonable for US citizens to say enough, and expect our elected officials to keep their promises, enforce our laws, and to do the jobs we pay them to do.

  40. Vigilant1 said on 28 Dec 2007 at 10:06 am:
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    Since a church has been tagged by a known violent gang group, is that considered a HATE crime?

  41. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 28 Dec 2007 at 10:09 am:
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    Here is a bigger issue….since the graffiti is “SUR” which I believe is a hispanic gang….why are the hispanics in the community not standing up against this activity?!? Why did the majority of legal hispanics at the BOCS meeting a few months back not stand against illegal immigration to show their support for the resolution?!? I have the answer….they are most likely part of the problem!

  42. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 28 Dec 2007 at 10:10 am:
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    What is even more disturbing is that the church that was tagged provides ESL training for hispanics!!!! Why are these people not shouting out against this behavior! Again…maybe they have friends and family that are part of the problem?!?

  43. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 28 Dec 2007 at 10:15 am:
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    So there we have it…the facts! The truth hurts. The hispanics in the community need to start standing up against this activity.

  44. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 28 Dec 2007 at 10:21 am:
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    Thank you Jane. I lump all of them into the ILLEGAL alien group, which they are. I just have a problem when enforcing the law is called racist, bigoted and fear mongering.
    _______________________________

    Patriot, you are right on spot with that. I will add, they may also be afraid to stand up because of retribution. They will appear not to have solidarity with their “brothers and sisters”. This would make them an outcast in their own group and many are not brave enough to go down that path. They do not care if ESL classes are taught there, the ILLEGAL alien population does not want to ASSIMILATE!

    The big dog has been lying on the porch, being taunted by the ILLEGAL alien population, pulling his tail, flicking his nose and now, this big dog has had enough and is ready to bite the ILLEGAL alien population and they cry foul when they have brought it on themselves. The old saying holds true, don’t kick a lying dog.

  45. TDB said on 28 Dec 2007 at 10:23 am:
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    BUILD THE WALL!!!

    http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/population/011108.html

  46. 999 said on 28 Dec 2007 at 10:34 am:
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    The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 28 Dec 2007 at 10:09 am:
    Here is a bigger issue….since the graffiti is “SUR” which I believe is a hispanic gang….why are the hispanics in the community not standing up against this activity?!?

    You are probably correct in your statement that they are “part of the problem.” I am sure that SOME of them ARE part of the problem. If the truth be known, they are no doubt harboring illegal relatives.

  47. MP Resident said on 28 Dec 2007 at 10:49 am:
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    “I have posted pictures of a Stop sign that was tagged and VDOT has yet to do anything about it”

    I expect it will take them 3 months to do anything about it.

  48. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 28 Dec 2007 at 10:52 am:
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    I always enjoy Lafayette picture time. It documents the problems we are having.

  49. Vigilant1 said on 28 Dec 2007 at 11:02 am:
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    /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 28 Dec 2007 at 10:21 am:
    The big dog has been lying on the porch, being taunted by the ILLEGAL alien population, pulling his tail, flicking his nose and now, this big dog has had enough and is ready to bite the ILLEGAL alien population and they cry foul when they have brought it on themselves. The old saying holds true, don’t kick a lying dog.

    What a great metaphor! SICK ‘EM BOY!

  50. Bridget said on 28 Dec 2007 at 11:02 am:
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    Legalize the Irish - by sending them home.

    http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2007/02/13/illegal-irish-swarm-in-san-francisco/

    http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2007/03/08/deport-the-irish/

  51. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 28 Dec 2007 at 11:40 am:
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    Vigilant1, It was the only one I could get to demonstrate my point. My grandpa always told me not to pick on his old dog laying on the porch next to him. He told me he would bite if I didn’t. He bit one of the neighbor kids because he kept pulling his tail and aggravating him.
    _______________

    I do not know why the Irish seem to think they are above the law anymore than the other ILLEGAL alien groups in the US. I do not care who they are, if you are here ILLEGALLY, go home and come back legally. Just by reading an article posted earleir in this thread, I think the Irish that came over LEGALLY will not support those who did not. I can’t seem to say the same is true with the Hispanics.

    From the article:

    A 23-year-old carpenter from Galway, who is here illegally and identified himself only as John N., said he thinks the Irish “should go for it.”
    “We need a deal,” he said. “We can’t go home for Christmas.”

    But a group of old-timers gathered on benches outside of Sean’s Quality Deli shook their heads at the idea.

    “We came in the front door,” Leo Keirins, who came to Woodlawn from Sleigo, Ireland 42 years ago, said. “They’re back and forth with bags of money, one foot there, one foot back in Ireland. It’s not right.”

  52. TDB said on 28 Dec 2007 at 1:23 pm:
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    To All My Democrat Friends:
    “Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all.

    I also wish you a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2008, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make America great. Not to imply that America is necessarily greater than any other country nor the only America in the Western Hemisphere.
    Also, this wish is made without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the wishee”.

    To All My Republican Friends:
    “Merry Christmas, Happy New Year and may GOD Bless you and yours!”

  53. manassascityresident said on 28 Dec 2007 at 1:37 pm:
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    TDB said on 28 Dec 2007 at 1:23 pm:

    PRICELESS! Merry Christmas, Happy New Year to you too!

  54. Maureen Wood said on 28 Dec 2007 at 1:45 pm:
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    Look at the addition at the Liberty Wall. Can anyone identify the two flags that aren’t the El Salvadorian or Mexican flags?

    http://good-times.webshots.com/album/561669970OfmqBg

  55. Loudoun said on 28 Dec 2007 at 2:05 pm:
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    El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua, and Honduras all have blue and white flags. The flags are too difficult to differentiate since they are folded. The yellow, blue, and red flag is from Colombia.

  56. Chris Royse said on 28 Dec 2007 at 2:09 pm:
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    I’m sure a lot of you are familiar with this site, but for those who are not, it’s a good reference for flag identification.

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/docs/flagsoftheworld.html

  57. Jane D'oh! said on 28 Dec 2007 at 2:43 pm:
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    Regarding Hispanic/Latino Americans and immigrants speaking out and getting involved, there is a national coalition called “You Don’t Speak for Me” that helps give a voice to those who feel they have none.

    There are a lot of ways to get involved and this might be a way for some who don’t feel that the local option is best for them.
    _______

    http://dontspeakforme.org/principles.html

    Our Principles

    We are Americans of Hispanic heritage who believe in America. We believe in the governmental institutions and laws that make this country the greatest in the world. It is because of this strong belief in the principles of freedom, individual liberties, the rule of law, and democracy that we formed You Don’t Speak for Me!: American Hispanic Voices Speaking Out Against Illegal Immigration.

    American Hispanic voices are being shouted down by the hate and race-directed rhetoric of those who do not appreciate the laws of our country. We of You Don’t Speak for Me! give voice to those without a voice and those whose opposition to illegal immigration is drowned out by illegal aliens and their supporters marching in the streets demanding undeserved “rights” of U.S. citizens.

    We are standing together to say to the those who come here illegally and those who would give amnesty to those who have broken our laws, you are wrong and you should not be claiming to speak for all American Hispanics. You Don’t Speak for Me!

  58. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 28 Dec 2007 at 2:56 pm:
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    It appears the flags are form South and Central America countries. Best I can tell. That wall is past due to be destroyed. What is the City Council doing about this?

  59. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 28 Dec 2007 at 2:59 pm:
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    No I am not racist. I just know if I had left that there, I would already be before a judge explaining why I had not followed the law. Special treatment does not help these people. The fact that it is still up beyond the date of demolition, shows preferential treatment.

  60. Krusty said on 28 Dec 2007 at 3:03 pm:
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    TBD, from one of your Democrat “friends”: HUH??? Thank you (I guess).

  61. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 28 Dec 2007 at 3:21 pm:
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    TBD, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year and may GOD Bless you and yours!!!!

  62. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 28 Dec 2007 at 4:13 pm:
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    IT WORKS!!!! IT WORKS!!!! IT WORKS!!!!

    http://www.kansas.com/news/nation_world/story/265038.html

    Self deportation is on the rise!! Good news!!

  63. es_la_ley said on 28 Dec 2007 at 4:54 pm:
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    /\/\3|)iç 64 28 Dec 2007 at 4:13 pm

    Good find. It emphasizes what we’ve been saying all along!

  64. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 28 Dec 2007 at 5:11 pm:
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    es_la_ley, Yep it does. I have been thinking, no the smoke detector has NOT gone off for those wondering, about the way the Gov’t may be thinking. Hear em out here; the gov’t doesn’t pass the amnesty bill, which makes them look good to the Citizens.

    The failure of any ILLEGAL alien federal legislation prompts local gov’ts into action. They pass local resolutions and crackdown on ILLEGAL aliens. This accomplished 3 things, gov’t denial that it is involved in any of the local resolutions, which preserves the politicians at the federal level, 2) they do not have to pay as much for the programs in the resolutions that they would if implemented at the fed level, 3) the federal liberals can flail about with the same rhetoric and not get hurt in the cross fire because it is locals doing it not them.

    This may be exactly what the federal gov’t wanted in the long run. Local folks passing resolutions, funding them and the ILLEGAL alien population self deporting so they do not have to pay for it. Very smart if that is the case.

  65. Bayberry resident said on 28 Dec 2007 at 5:19 pm:
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    Maybe kind of off topic, but where did everyone get that if a storm door is tied open it means the occupants are renting rooms? Since I have seen this statement on this blog, I have researched it, have asked the police and even some of my legal hispanic friends, and nowhere can I find this as a fact.

  66. MP Resident said on 28 Dec 2007 at 5:26 pm:
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    They tagged a cluster mailbox on Liberia just west of Stonewall Rd. It’s on the north side of the road facing west. Says “SSL 13″ in blue pain but I might have misread it, the only part I’m sure of is the 13.

  67. Anonymous said on 28 Dec 2007 at 5:31 pm:
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    Krusty said on 28 Dec 2007 at 3:03 pm:
    TBD, from one of your Democrat “friends”: HUH??? Thank you (I guess).

    OH, OH!

  68. redawn said on 28 Dec 2007 at 5:41 pm:
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    Bayberry Resident,

    Greg L said on 29 Jun 2007 at 12:30 am:

    The Wasington Post mentioned it here:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/19/AR2007031901906.html

    A quote:
    Since then, some community leaders said the problem has spread, spilling into affluent neighborhoods, where immigrants have increasingly bought homes. They said dozens of such houses have their screen doors propped open — even on cold winter nights — as a silent signal that rooms are available to rent to single workers.

  69. Devil's Advocate said on 28 Dec 2007 at 6:48 pm:
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    Bayberry resident said on 28 Dec 2007 at 5:19 pm:

    “Maybe kind of off topic, but where did everyone get that if a storm door is tied open it means the occupants are renting rooms? Since I have seen this statement on this blog, I have researched it, have asked the police and even some of my legal hispanic friends, and nowhere can I find this as a fact.”

    Look at it conversely. Why does the prevalence of homes with a storm door tied open usually occur in an area with a large ILLEGAL immigrant population?

  70. Bayberry resident said on 28 Dec 2007 at 7:15 pm:
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    Devil’s, I don’t mean to be negative here, but the article attributes the screen doors to “community leaders.” So my question is where did they here it from. Just because they say so doesn’t make it so. That is all I am asking. This is how things get started, when people put their own interpertation into stories. The article you provided the link too does not give any facts to support that claim. As I am looking out my door right now and looking at two screen doors on my street that are proped open and neither is occupied by a Hispanic family. I am not saying it is or isn’t correct, I am just a little suspect because I have asked around and found no one to support this claim.

  71. Bayberry resident said on 28 Dec 2007 at 7:18 pm:
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    Sorry, my last post was intended for redawn also. And also devil’s, how do you know who is illegal and who isn’t. Did you ask them, did they tell you they were illegal. I am against illegals as well as anyone, but I do not want to make false claims to support what I believe in as it makes anything I say less important and believable.

  72. pwteach said on 28 Dec 2007 at 7:32 pm:
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    Bayberry, I noticed that you asked your hispanic friends about the open storm doors so does that imply that you believe that hispanics are living at these houses? If so why don’t you ask your friends to go to those houses and inquire if there is room to rent? That should be a good way to find out for sure what the open door policy is about. I agree with Devil’s Advocate, the open doors are in areas that have a large population of hispanics and the homes I’ve seen have large numbers of occupants (mainly adult males) living in them.

  73. Patty said on 28 Dec 2007 at 7:58 pm:
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    Bayberry,

    Research the Washington Post. They did a couple of articles on this. You need to look up housing/mortgage and foreclosure. Sorry, I don’t have the time to do this for you. It is a fact that the screen door is an invitation for tenants. I know because I’ve lived near these houses for about a couple years now and I’ve observed it with my own eyes.

  74. Bayberry resident said on 28 Dec 2007 at 8:07 pm:
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    pwteach, I have done the research and can not find anyone to confirm this, so you prove it to me. Patty, if it is a fact then prove it. A lot of people make aqusations (sp?) but do not provide the facts to support your claim. Pwteach, if you are a teacher you of all people should know this.

  75. Bayberry resident said on 28 Dec 2007 at 8:12 pm:
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    Before everyone gets on my case and starts calling me an illegal alien supporter, I am just trying to make a point. If you are going to further this cause to local, state and federal leaders, it is not enough to make these kind of statements. You must prove them. Iam all for the cause, just be able to explain yourselves.

  76. redawn said on 28 Dec 2007 at 8:30 pm:
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    Bayberry Resident,

    I understand the point you are trying to make, coming from a person that choses not to believe what I hear nor see. I even look for the “outside of the box”answer.I try to cover everything from every angle and I learn alot by doing so. That is all I can say to you. Do your own evaluation. Drive around and note the storm doors that are propped open ( months after months) start with the question of WHY they are PROPPED open first and go from there. If you are off of Bayberry, try the Spotsylvania Dr, Amhers Dr, Manassas Drive area for starters…

  77. redawn said on 28 Dec 2007 at 8:32 pm:
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    Amherst Dr

  78. Bayberry resident said on 28 Dec 2007 at 8:34 pm:
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    I have and as I said there are two within seeing distance and I know they aren’t renting rooms. Many times it is just that the door is broken. But i am not saying you aren’t correct. Just saying be ready to prove it.

  79. independent thinker said on 28 Dec 2007 at 8:38 pm:
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    Uh Oh, I better tell my inlaws to close their door lest an illegal boogeyman dares to enter!

    Bayberry is asking a valid question and would like some emperical data, not such an outrageous request.

  80. redawn said on 28 Dec 2007 at 8:39 pm:
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    I understand but why are they propped open and not shut. Please do that drive by get out and explore.You will note that the doors are tied back to the stair railing , flower pots , etc…. Start with that and then notice the pattern all up and down the streets..count houses…and then ask what is going on? I would LOVE to know why the doors are PROPPED open for starters if it is NOT a sign for a room to rent.

  81. redawn said on 28 Dec 2007 at 8:44 pm:
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    independent thinker,
    Are you saying that my suggestion to Bayberry resident was an outrageous request?

  82. es_la_ley said on 28 Dec 2007 at 8:49 pm:
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    independent thinker said on 28 Dec 2007 at 8:38 pm:

    Your in-laws prop their storm door open?

  83. Bayberry resident said on 28 Dec 2007 at 9:07 pm:
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    Ok, so I drive down the street and see, lets say, 10 doors propped open on a street with lets say, 25 houses, what does that mean? It still isn’t proof of anything. What i want to honestly know, has anyone had any confirmation that rooms are for rent when the door is propped open. I am not saying it isn’t true, I really would like to know where this thought came from. Is it something someone dreamed up or is it based on some fact?

  84. Dolph said on 28 Dec 2007 at 9:13 pm:
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    This is the dumbest conversation. No one has to prove anything to anyone.

    In Manassas, a propped screen or storm door means that there is a room for rent. Don’t believe it? Try propping your storm door for a while and see who shows up. Now stop blowing smoke….

  85. Dolph said on 28 Dec 2007 at 9:17 pm:
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    Bayberry…Baying at the moon…What is WRONG with you? Accept it. Universal Manassas-ism. Don’t want to accept it, then don’t. Talk about OCD. Geez.

  86. redawn said on 28 Dec 2007 at 9:18 pm:
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    Dolph,

    Thanks! Exactly,don’t believe it: find out for yourself. I am still busy trying ti win big..LOL :(

  87. Bayberry resident said on 28 Dec 2007 at 9:22 pm:
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    Ok dolph, you must be right because you say so. I asked an honest question and no one has provided fact. This is why Greg has been getting a little more grief on here than in the past and yes, even from me. Because I want to come up with a solution and I want my City, state and country to be free of people who are in our country illegally. But as I have said in the past, most people on the same side as me do not think things out before they speak. Greg and others in the beginning were good at providing supporting facts but as they have achieved some victories, they have become what I see as sloppy and that is not good for what I and yourselves want. One example is when Greg poted that two teachers were arrested at Osbourn High School in the City. He didn’t check his facts and that is what causes many problems. Dolph, why is this a dumb conversation, because you say it is. You are proving my point.

  88. redawn said on 28 Dec 2007 at 9:32 pm:
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    Bayberry resident,

    Your post to Dolph is also my point to you. You have SEEN for yourself NOT to believe everything hear, read or see ( this blog) Get out there and do some research. This blog is NOT the make it or break it deal. If it were, I would have been gone LONG ago.

  89. Bayberry resident said on 28 Dec 2007 at 9:42 pm:
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    Hey redawn, READ MY POSTS! I said I have researched and have not been able to confirm. That is why i asked. This blog may not be the make it or break it deal, but it is important to the illegal alien issue. This is why I made the point. It seems as if a lot of people are getting sloppy on this blog and representing their statements as fact when in fact, they can’t prove what they are saying.

  90. redawn said on 28 Dec 2007 at 9:49 pm:
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    Cheers, can’t argue with that statement ONE bit and NEVER stop asking why but CONTINUE your research outside of this blog. I am glad that you have acknowledged that this blog ( if I read your post correctly) is important to the illegal alien issue. (both sides)

  91. Dolph said on 28 Dec 2007 at 9:49 pm:
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    Baying at the Moon,

    It is a dumb conversation because you are going on and on over something that isn’t a provable thing. Do you understand what an axiom is? The screen door signal is a Manassas axiom.

    I would find something with a little more substance to howl over.

  92. Devil's Advocate said on 28 Dec 2007 at 9:50 pm:
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    Bayberry resident:

    Ok, so I drive down the street and see, lets say, 10 doors propped open on a street with lets say, 25 houses, what does that mean? It still isn’t proof of anything.

    It means 40% have broken storm doors. Is that odd? Not “proof” though, eh? :-) Of course not!

    That usually happens in tandem with other things… 5-10 cars in the driveway, fellows walking about at all hours of the night urinating on and leaving garbage on neighbors lawns, etc.

    Is it something someone dreamed up or is it based on some fact?

    Take a drive on the wild side. I’m sure someone here would gladly show you up close.

  93. Bayberry resident said on 28 Dec 2007 at 10:01 pm:
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    If it is such an important thing on this blog, then it is provable. Someone started it and they had to hear it from somewhere, so where? But you people don’t even get my point. My point was not so much the strom door issue, but rather the problem with making statements like that and not being able to prove it. But you people are so narrow minded you really didn’t even get my true point even after I pratically spelled it out for you. I sure hope Greg and his supportting cast is smarter than you people because if not, we will have even more illegals here than we have now.

  94. redawn said on 28 Dec 2007 at 10:11 pm:
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    Bayberry resident,

    I again understand what you are saying and I keep tuned to the blog to see some proof or to keep my mind and eyes open to another situation.
    I am not narrow minded as you generalized so I take NO offense.
    I use this blog as a tool and as far as I see, the problem is the fact that it is hard to prove. It is just like you know there are drug deals going down, all the signs are there, or someone being abused but our system has limits ( and I am glad for that) but it’s faulty and that is the reason why criminals and such get away with things.
    I have already argued these points so I won’t go back into it. I am not narrow minded and your sloppy with your point by saying so.

  95. starryflights said on 28 Dec 2007 at 10:15 pm:
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    I need to take a photo of a house I drive by periodically. They have paved most of the FRONT yard and park 3 or 4 white vans there and two cars. I called property code enforcement and they said that this was against code, but someone gave these people a permit to pave most of the front yard. They will do nothing to solve this. I think, if someone makes a mistake and gives out a permit that breaks code that the county should pay to fix the problem…that is take the parking lot out and plant grass. Why should the neighbors have to suffer because someone made a mistake? Why should the houses next to this house have their property value fall because of this mistake? If I were looking to buy a home and drove past this house, I would look to another neighborhood. The whole neighborhood is suffering because of this mistake. I also have a house that I drive by that has been vacant for over a year. The house is literally falling apart. Property code will do nothing. The owner lives in Alexandria (I believe) and the house is in the middle of a bad divorce. So again, the whole neighborhood suffers and nothing can be done? Soon the house will need to be condemned.

  96. Bayberry resident said on 28 Dec 2007 at 10:17 pm:
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    Redawn, I didn’t specifically call you narrow minded, so do you have a guilty conscience? All I asked was how do you know this is true and no one including you has been able to answer me. This is the last I will say on this subject because as I have said, no one can give me any evidence to support the claim.

  97. redawn said on 28 Dec 2007 at 10:23 pm:
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    Bayberry resident,
    I do not have a guilty conscience. I NOW want YOU to go back and read all of my post to you this evening and tell me we are not on the same page.

  98. Bayberry resident said on 28 Dec 2007 at 10:27 pm:
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    redawn, have made some insesitive remarks to people on this blog before so I am really watching what I write. Along with that I watch what other people write because I want to come up with a solution to this problem. I firmly believe the people in the spotlight are the right people to be there, but I don’t want to see it ruined. That is why I am critical on here and almost always playing the devils advocate.

  99. redawn said on 28 Dec 2007 at 10:33 pm:
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    I am glad you are looking and wanting to work toward a solution. I would say that is the main goal on both sides. The thing that you have to take into consideration is that not EVERYONE reads ALL the threads or EVERY comment. You have to work that into your critical but good thinking.

  100. 999 said on 28 Dec 2007 at 10:47 pm:
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    redawn said on 28 Dec 2007 at 5:41 pm:
    Bayberry Resident,

    Greg L said on 29 Jun 2007 at 12:30 am:

    The Wasington Post mentioned it here:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/19/AR2007031901906.html

    The above article also give creedance as to why the LEGAL LATINO community does not speak out against ILLEGAL LATINO ALIENS.

  101. me-n-u said on 28 Dec 2007 at 11:21 pm:
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    Bayberry resident- I live next to two houses that have storm doors propped open. In any given week, there are several different cars and people there. Now I’m not 100% sure they are renting rooms, but I’m 100% sure they are not having party’s every night. When people see a pattern at these houses with open storm doors, I would tend to say that eye witnesses can offer proof of what is going on.

  102. me-n-u said on 28 Dec 2007 at 11:22 pm:
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    A must read!!!!!!!!!!!
    Judge: They Won’t Let You Apply for a License? I’m Not Going to Punish You for Not Having One…
    http://www.longislandwins.com/blog/in_the_news/judge_they_wont_let_you_apply.php

  103. 999 said on 28 Dec 2007 at 11:32 pm:
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    Bayberry resident said on 28 Dec 2007 at 5:19 pm:
    Maybe kind of off topic, but where did everyone get that if a storm door is tied open it means the occupants are renting rooms?

    Maybe they better think twice of tying the screen doors open.
    http://www.azarnes.com/dead.htm

  104. Anonymous said on 29 Dec 2007 at 12:39 am:
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    In five years is Prince William County going to be to Virginia what Prince Georges County is to Maryland?…..A hell hole of crime?

  105. Stbngrcs said on 29 Dec 2007 at 2:09 am:
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    Is it that shameful and difficult to be more like him?

    He gives me the strength to keep to keep doing his work.

  106. AW Cheney and Park'd are informed. said on 29 Dec 2007 at 2:58 am:
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    Anonymous 5:16 12/27: I’ve been thinking about your comment, ” …the officers here are fine men. It sickens me to see them collectively trashed either specifically or through insinuation.”

    You are absolutely right. It isnt fair to beat down the honest and brave police officers that protect us. Unfortunately it’s too much to ask the good cops to protect us from the bad cops. We must do it ourselves. This whole affair makes me ill as well.

    It should be shown to you just as it was to AW Cheney. She comments from the point of view of having seen the evidence. Specifically, (in this thread) the manipulation of crime reporting in Manassas Park. If you would take this oportunity to review the data yourself you will learn more about your community and perhaps you can help make it a better place. Send Greg L an email stating your interest in viewing the material and we can begin. I assure you, the facts that await you will be quite a revelation.

  107. Jane D'oh! said on 29 Dec 2007 at 8:15 am:
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    Bayberry resident said on 28 Dec 2007 at 10:17 pm:

    “….no one can give me any evidence to support the claim.”
    ________

    I’m not sure what you want.

    People have spoken about their personal experiences with a tradition that seems to have evolved in the community. You don’t share their experiences and neither do others you’ve talked to.

    Unless I’m unaware, it is impossible to point you to the page and paragraph of an “Illegal Alien’s Hand Guide to Room Rentals in Manassas” or other documentation as an example of the proof you’re requesting.

    Don’t believe it then. Accept it as anecdotal.

    I don’t think that makes you an “illegal alien supporter” any more than it makes those who have personally experienced the screen-door phenomenon in their neighborhoods liars with nefarious goals.

  108. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 29 Dec 2007 at 8:15 am:
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    http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2007/12/21/index.php?section=capital&article=031n1cap
    Translate this article from Spanish: “In 2008, promoted PRD-DF install houses of the migrant in the United States”

    So let me get this straight…Mexico is going to set up houses in the U.S.? This must be stopped! Why are we letting them do this?!?

  109. josh said on 29 Dec 2007 at 8:40 am:
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    a neighbor I had been having problems with awhile back (and still do occasionally) is suspected by the neighborhood of harboring illegals. I never had a clue what the “storm door” thing meant until I came here. However a few weeks ago i took notice and behold…they had the storm door open 24/7!

    So, since I know deep down people dont like to be embarrassed..I went up to their door and asked them…What does the storm door opened mean and asked them if they harbor illegal aliens. They said no, however I did let them know that all of the neighborhood thinks they do and that IF they did, that we would report them to ICE.

    Storm door is now closed, loud music has ceased and people are not parking in my parking spot. (I think the parking thing has more to do with me getting them towed each time they park there:)

    I let my neighbors know that we wont let up while this crap is going on, I’m relentless and I’ll continue to call the police and whomever else to keep the heat on.

  110. Loudoun said on 29 Dec 2007 at 8:57 am:
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    Josh - way to go!!! I would do the same with my next door neighbors if it weren’t for my fear that they might retaliate on my dogs or my children…

  111. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 29 Dec 2007 at 9:28 am:
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    Josh, you should have reported the information directly to ICE without letting the perps know! You could of had an ICE raid right there! That is what is needed to get the ball rolling!

  112. Dignidad said on 29 Dec 2007 at 9:39 am:
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    The Patriot, what they plan on doing is create 6 sites to defend illegal aliens who have been mistreated. Just more places to nurture a counterproductive sense of victimhood.

  113. Lafayette said on 29 Dec 2007 at 9:50 am:
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    The Patriot (Got E-Verify?),
    I called ICE about the squatters(accross the street) that had a constant flow of traffic, propped open storm door, known prostitutes coming and going. ICE told me that if I did NOT have proof they were here illegally they could not take my complaint, because if they were here legally they could bring charges against me for making a false claim. I think we should be reporting to ICE. ICE has raided one house on the next block two times, and the last time they were told if there was a next time they would take action to sieze the property. I think they found a total of 32 illegals in 2 raids in a 5bedroom house.

    Bayberry,
    I’ve asked my latino neighbors that don’t have their door open and the said the open storm door is sign for room(s) for rent. I suggest you leave your storm door open, and you will definately have them knocking. If you live on Bayberry there are several OSD’s(open storm doors). Redawn gave you the streets to look go drive my them you’ll see the writing on the wall that it’s a “boarding house”.

  114. Bridget said on 29 Dec 2007 at 10:12 am:
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    Thanks Patriot. What a tidy little scam. The Mexican government hands “migrants” cash to pay Mexican smuggler travel fees and the rent on their state side safe houses, thus the money cycles right back into Mexican hands.

    How does that saying go? “If you are not part of the solution, there is good money to be made on prolonging the problem.” What a disgraceful and disfunctional mess we have on our hands.

    http://www.valleymorningstar.com/news/motel_15353___article.html/bhakta_owners.html

    http://www.firesociety.com/forum/thread/20599/Mexican-PRD-Party-Plans-To-Install-Migrant-Houses-In-The-United-States—/

    http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/007361.html

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58249

    http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/006855.html

  115. Lafayette said on 29 Dec 2007 at 10:15 am:
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    Here’s the pictures from the tagging at the church.
    It has also been reported the school next to the church has also been tagged on the side of the brick. I’ve spoken with the principal from the school they are aware of the tagging, and it will be cleaned up before the kids return to school.
    http://community.webshots.com/album/561333843rNGkke?start=24

  116. Loudoun said on 29 Dec 2007 at 10:37 am:
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    Lafayette, I just emailed you the pictures from Sudley Elementary. Please post a link to that photo as well. Thanks for calling PM about the tagging at Sudley.

  117. monticup said on 29 Dec 2007 at 11:18 am:
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    Lafayette: I didn’t understand. Did you mean that ICE does or doesn’t take your report? Can you give us the ICE number again? Thanks.

  118. inon said on 29 Dec 2007 at 11:37 am:
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    My daughter’s new boyfriend is a hispanic American. He is an absolutely charming young man. This whole screen door thing was an interesting subject at dinner last night. I asked him what the open screen door meant and he said it signaled a room for rent. In fact, he embarrassingly admitted that he’d just helped his distant uncle replace a screen door a couple of weeks ago. The bad winds we had blew the propped open screen door right off the hinges. But the uncle was desperate to get a screen door back up because that was the only way to let people know that rooms for available, and they are having trouble with finding renters.

    This boy’s parents were born in Arizona and moved to PWC in the 80’s. They think of themselves as completely American, but their distant relatives have come over in the past 5 years and he admitted that some most likely came over illegally. His immediate family is embarrassed by all the attention and although they are sympathetic towards family members, they privately wish they would just all go back to Mexico.

  119. Lafayette said on 29 Dec 2007 at 11:57 am:
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    monticup,
    They would not take the report from me. They said I must have proof that they are infact ILLEGAL. I was give the ICE number to report this house too from a Captain in the PWPD via my Supervisors office. The PWPD had been to this house 3 times in a 24hours. The “squatters” continued to live at the property for two months after the house had been foreclosed on. I couldn’t believe the response I got from ICE.
    I will find the number and put up here. I saw it posted sometime in the past couple of weeks.

    Here’s some pictures of the school that got tagged as well as some of the POSITIVE results we’ve seen.
    http://good-times.webshots.com/album/561333843rNGkke?start=24

  120. Dignidad said on 29 Dec 2007 at 11:59 am:
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    Today’s Washington Times reports that between Oct. 31 and Dec. 15 (the first 45 days of a border crackdown called Operation Streamline) there has been a 30% decrease in reported crime and a 36% decrease in major crimes.

  121. josh said on 29 Dec 2007 at 12:00 pm:
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    I’m going to leave my storm door open, maybe I’ll get some nice people knocking? I would love to have them meet my 150lb doggie, he’s soooo nice :)

    I did contact ICE, they gave me the same song and dance…No proof, they cant/wont do a thing. Seems as though they only step up to the plate when it’s too late or you basically have a signed confession from the people that they are illegal.

    Funny thing, I read about the guys at the day laborer people in Las angeles. A passerby threatened to call ICE on them, one of the day laborers handed a cell phone to the man and said go ahead…they know they are going to get away with it.

  122. starryflights said on 29 Dec 2007 at 12:11 pm:
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    This is why it would be great if people would take photos of the businesses picking up day laborers (including the license plate numbers of their vehicles) and post THEIR photos on the web. I understand that not ALL day laborers are illegal aliens, but many are. This way people could boycott those businesses, if they so chose.

  123. Bridget said on 29 Dec 2007 at 12:16 pm:
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    I recall my grandmother telling us stories about hobo symbols … used during the 1920’s by men who traveled around the country in search of work and lodgings. And yes, some symbols would vary from region to region.

    http://www.slackaction.com/signroll.htm

    http://www.geocities.com/ctesibos/symbols/hobo.html

    Now we have a 21st century version:

    http://www.ingleby.com/computer-wireless_scanning_and_hacking.htm

    In my neck of the woods, a small flag placed by the front door is often used to advertise available lodgings. Hang out the flag of El Salvador or Honduras, and you will invite your fellow countrymen … this information (Bayberry) comes to me via neighbors who, although they hail fom central America, are not in the market for housemates.

    Now, that’s not to say that national flags are not hung out for simply sentimental reasons … but when coupled with multiple vehicles parked on the front lawn and back yard, overflowing trash containers, the blasting of music …

    One such house on my street had at least three trucks rotating in and out 24/7. These trucks were always returning to the house filled with scrap … metal, wood, car parts. The crashing and banging loads from the smaller trucks would be moved to the largest, and a pile of discard material grew in the yard. I contacted zoning to inquire about running a scrap business out of a private home … a big No-No, they said, but it took six months of calls before the house occupants packed up and moved.

    The landlord spent a pretty penny cleaning up the debris field. One explanation I was given for the delay in action: The possiblility that said scrap business was illegal in more ways than one: Theives hit construction sites to take steel, copper, aluminum as well as other supplies and then sell it as scrap.

  124. Vigilant1 said on 29 Dec 2007 at 12:21 pm:
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    Lafayette said on 29 Dec 2007 at 11:57 am:
    Here’s some pictures of the school that got tagged as well as some of the POSITIVE results we’ve seen.
    http://good-times.webshots.com/album/561333843rNGkke?start=24

    Perhaps a call to the MJM to come out and see the doings “of people who only come here to work.” A front page photo of this garbage would hopefully “enlighten” some people as to what is going on.

  125. Dolph said on 29 Dec 2007 at 12:22 pm:
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    All the ICE stories are reinforcing why it is necessary to have the 287(g) program in the county. There just aren’t that many ICE agents for all of Northern VA.

  126. Lafayette said on 29 Dec 2007 at 12:32 pm:
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    starryflights said on 29 Dec 2007 at 12:11 pm:
    I have some pictures of illegals being picked up for work. The ones I have pictures of are of individuals picking them up, but the tags numbers are very easy to read. This one day a man pulled in beside of me, and the minute his vehicle was in park it was surrounded by “willing workers”. They seemed to recognize him immediately. I think the businesses “hiring” from the 7-11’s are not going to go rolling in there with their business name plastered on the side of their vehicle. I also question the legality of the ones doing the hiring.
    Here are some pictures of that for you look at. Please, note the “action shots” of the “illegal style” job application process. :)
    http://good-times.webshots.com/album/561176744SAXMFv

  127. The Truth said on 29 Dec 2007 at 12:34 pm:
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    “# The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 29 Dec 2007 at 8:15 am:

    http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2007/12/21/index.php?section=capital&article=031n1cap
    Translate this article from Spanish: “In 2008, promoted PRD-DF install houses of the migrant in the United States”

    So let me get this straight…Mexico is going to set up houses in the U.S.? This must be stopped! Why are we letting them do this?!?

    Josh, you should have reported the information directly to ICE without letting the perps know! You could of had an ICE raid right there! That is what is needed to get the ball rolling!

    Isn’t anyone else getting tired of this guy’s bile? His hysterical fear-mongering never ends.

    What a shame for our country that this guy calls himself a patriot. He’s exactly the kind of person who looked the other way or applauded in nazi germany when they scapegoated the jews.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0XwsjPkHqw

  128. Lafayette said on 29 Dec 2007 at 12:48 pm:
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    Vigilant1,
    The Trustee’s Deed has been recorded on the Colgan’s old house. It was sold to the highest bidder at $393,200.00. I have the gory details. I do not wish to post them here. Contact me via Dolph if you wish to hear them.
    Dolph,
    Please put you email address up for me. Thanks!

  129. starryflights said on 29 Dec 2007 at 12:55 pm:
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    Why can’t you post the details here? I don’t understand.

  130. Lafayette said on 29 Dec 2007 at 12:58 pm:
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    starryflights said on 29 Dec 2007 at 12:55 pm:
    You too may contact Dolph. It is all public record you can go to the courthouse and research the property Room 305.

  131. starryflights said on 29 Dec 2007 at 1:18 pm:
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    That doesn’t answer my question. Why can’t the info be posted, especially if it is public record?

  132. Lafayette said on 29 Dec 2007 at 1:36 pm:
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    My reasons are personal and need no explaining. It can be posted. I’m not going to do it.
    dolphin_moon@excite.com

  133. Lafayette said on 29 Dec 2007 at 1:38 pm:
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    starry,
    BTW- I said I did not WISH to post them. I said nothing about can’t post them.

  134. Dolph said on 29 Dec 2007 at 2:01 pm:
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    Starry, put to Laf in the subject line and I will forward it on over to her.

    Dolph

    ~~splash~~

  135. Vigilant1 said on 29 Dec 2007 at 2:36 pm:
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    Lafayette said on 29 Dec 2007 at 12:48 pm:
    Vigilant1,
    The Trustee’s Deed has been recorded on the Colgan’s old house.

    Thanks for the info. I can just imagine if the details are gory.

  136. Vigilant1 said on 29 Dec 2007 at 2:42 pm:
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    starryflights said on 28 Dec 2007 at 10:15 pm:
    I also have a house that I drive by that has been vacant for over a year. The house is literally falling apart. Property code will do nothing. The owner lives in Alexandria (I believe) and the house is in the middle of a bad divorce.

    Is this the house on Lomond Dr. just before the bridge? The other house sounds like the one on Westmoreland and appears to be vacant.

  137. starryflights said on 29 Dec 2007 at 2:46 pm:
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    No, those are not the houses. They are in the Dale City.

  138. Vigilant1 said on 29 Dec 2007 at 2:47 pm:
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    Bayberry resident said on 28 Dec 2007 at 9:07 pm:
    Ok, so I drive down the street and see, lets say, 10 doors propped open on a street with lets say, 25 houses, what does that mean? It still isn’t proof of anything.

    Your name must be THOMAS! When a number of people tell you the same thing, there must be a basis to it. Of course you will not see anything in writing to prove the fact. It is a signal that has been adopted by the people looking for borders. Leave your screen door tied open and you will soon find out what is going on.

  139. Vigilant1 said on 29 Dec 2007 at 2:51 pm:
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    Lafayette said on 29 Dec 2007 at 12:48 pm:
    Vigilant1,
    The Trustee’s Deed has been recorded on the Colgan’s old house. It was sold to the highest bidder at $393,200.00.

    That’s $71,800 less than the last owner (long gone) of the white house across the street paid.

  140. Dolph said on 29 Dec 2007 at 2:52 pm:
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    Lafayette,

    You’ve got mail. I have forwarded your email to you.

    ~~splash~~

  141. The Truth said on 29 Dec 2007 at 3:03 pm:
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    What would you guys do if the federal gov’t immediately gave all these people amnesty?

  142. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 29 Dec 2007 at 3:16 pm:
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    Truth…do you “aid and abet” illegal aliens?

  143. Lafayette said on 29 Dec 2007 at 3:17 pm:
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    Vigilant1,
    You are right about that house across the street. The Colgan’s old house was just bid on for $98,300 less than they paid for it Feb. of 2006.
    Dolph,
    Thank you very much.

  144. Lafayette said on 29 Dec 2007 at 3:25 pm:
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    The Truth,
    The US Senate tried that nonsense earlier this year and the American people spoke and amnesty did NOT pass. There were many that kept calling and faxing their Senators.

  145. Bridget said on 29 Dec 2007 at 4:03 pm:
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    For The Truth - a little background on why the last amnesty did not fly.

    http://www.vdare.com/Mann/amnesty_betrayals.htm

  146. Vigilant1 said on 29 Dec 2007 at 4:44 pm:
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    starryflights said on 29 Dec 2007 at 2:46 pm:
    No, those are not the houses. They are in the Dale City.

    Okay. They both sounded like the Westgate area. The one on
    Westmoreland has a back and side yard that looks like a Giant parking lot. Had screen door tied open for some time (no takers I guess) and has been vacant for a number of months now. No for sale signs yet.

  147. Vigilant1 said on 29 Dec 2007 at 6:35 pm:
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    Lafayette, there looks like there are some buys to be had. Colgan’s old house went for 98,300. less than the last “owner” paid. Hope that the
    buyer/s are not “rental” speculators as we will be back to bunk house.
    I’m sure the mortgage lender is going to go after the last “owner” for the difference. SURE!

  148. ateacher said on 29 Dec 2007 at 6:36 pm:
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    I’ve noticed alot of tagging lately in the West Gate and Sudley Manor areas. I was wondering if those of you who have taken pictures, have given copies to the gang task force of our local police dept. Tagging is not only a way to say “I was here”, it is also a form of communication within and among gangs. I noticed an electrical box spray painted with gang symbols, and what looked like random numbers to me. However those numbers could actually have some meaning, and possibly relate to a crime. A sudden increase in tagging could mean that something has gone down, or is going to go down. The gang task force officers know what much of those numbers and symbols mean even if they look like swirls to us. It benefits our neighborhood to pass this information on to the police. And I’d love to know who keeps painting the words “Dafur” and “World Bank” under the word STOP on the stop signs located on Copeland.

  149. Lafayette said on 29 Dec 2007 at 6:50 pm:
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    ateacher,
    The police have investigated these taggings. We have met with 3 officers from the Gang Task Force, and they get the information forwarded to them after the “boys in blue” have gotten pictures, investigated, and responded to the complainant. Well, have you called to report these taggings when you see them? If you haven’t you need to. You realize that Sudley Elem got tagged too. I hope you saw my link I posted regarding the myths about graffiti. I’m really not trying to be smart here, but the Police have been called each and everytime it’s spotted by several of us here in WestGate. We’ve clearly stated that, and I’ve posted the pictures showing the NEW STOP SIGN, the pole has painted over a second time, and the church has taken down there sign. We’ve reached out to you in the past and refused our help. I am still more than happy to help you out, and am sure the same ones that offered their help are still willing to help out.

  150. Dolph said on 29 Dec 2007 at 9:01 pm:
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    Lafayette,

    The dolph chiming in here…….I think ateacher preferred to handle something herself first, before involving others. I don’t think she refused help. Her way worked for her situation.

    I do see your point that everyone should be reporting grafitti. I think it is human nature to assume that someone else has already reported.

  151. Travolta said on 29 Dec 2007 at 9:02 pm:
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    Has anyone watched the Gangland series now showing on The History Channel? Especially of interest to me is the fact that the primary focus seems to be gang activity in Northern Virginia! Everyone living here in NVA needs to watch these programs. They may be too graphic for you. I can just about assure you they will change how you feel.

    The tagging is just the surface of the gang issues here. There is a very real problem and we need to address it. The law enforcement agencies can / will only do so much, there hands are tied tighter than those of the citizens.
    It is time for citizens to address this in the manner best suited to those individuals.

    They are here and they are active!
    Do you doubt it?
    Just ask Wanda Angelos.

  152. Lafayette said on 29 Dec 2007 at 9:22 pm:
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    Travolta,
    I posted it was airing a month ago. This is very imformative, and alot of it is happening right here in our backyard. Several frequent posters here caught it too. I’m glad they are showing it again.

    Dolph,
    Chime away! Your point is very well taken. Remember, she had a couple of situations. Yes, she took action when her daughter and friend were being followed. I still keep my eyes peeled for the “big yellow Ford pick up”.

    Teacher,
    I apologize for my earlier post regarding refusal of help. We need to ALL report these crimes. The more calls they get the quicker things seem to get taken care. We the citizens must send a message to our government agencies that we are watching what’s going on around us, and want them to enforce the laws. My offer to help is still there and sincere.

  153. park'd said on 29 Dec 2007 at 10:46 pm:
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    The Truth said on 29 Dec 2007 at 12:34 pm:

    What a shame for our country that this guy calls himself a patriot. He’s exactly the kind of person who looked the other way or applauded in nazi germany when they scapegoated the jews.

    Ohh that’s rich! Comparing these illegal clowns to the Jews of WW2 Germany who were already WELL established citizens, and actually provided much more for their country than they consumed is freakin ABSURD! Have the illegals had all of their crap stolen out from under them? Have the illegals been forced to wear little gold stars on their jackets to signify them to society? Have the illegals been forcefully marched into ghettos? - (they certainly HAVE created enough of them here as they invade our towns) - Have the illegals been sent off to death camps and killed by the millions? Man you should go wash your mouth out with soap after scribing that little pearl of wisdom. You have just proven to all of us how ignorant and shameful you are after making that comment.

  154. ateacher said on 29 Dec 2007 at 11:13 pm:
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    No apology needed. I am aware, but I do no have a camera avail. I just think that each tag we come upon needs to be documented. Documented and turned into the local gang task force. Yes, I can and will take action as far as my children and property are concerned. Even if it ends up as nothing. My dog weighs 110 lbs, and now when my kids go out in the neighborhood I insist that they go with the dog..does this make me a bad racisist?????????

  155. josh said on 29 Dec 2007 at 11:20 pm:
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    no, doesnt make you a racist at all..makes you a realist, things can happen no matter how peaceful a neighborhood is. When I walk, I take my rottweiler and a pistol. I live in a relatively calm neighborhood but I have noticed some tagging issues in some places and I’m cautious, especially at night. I dont run at night anymore, I shifted my runs to early morning figuring anyone wanting to mess with me would be too tired at that hour :)

  156. Lafayette said on 29 Dec 2007 at 11:21 pm:
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    ateacher,
    By no means are you a racist of any kind. I meant no harm in the issue with the kids. I do keep my eyes peeled for that truck though and told my daughter and her friends at the time of the insident. I do know that all graffiti in PWC is always forwarded to the Gang Unit.
    Just call the PWPD Non-Emergency 703-792-6500.
    Where what street on Copeland is the graffiti? I will go get pictures of it first thing tomorrow morning. Have you called the police?

  157. Dolph said on 30 Dec 2007 at 5:45 am:
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    Immigration Is Defying Easy Answers

    NYTIMES 12/30/07

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/30/us/politics/30issuesI.html?th&emc=th

  158. Lafayette said on 30 Dec 2007 at 8:15 am:
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    The county needs to partner with the realtors too. This article is about the PW School Board partnering with realtors to help find affordable housing for teachers. I’ve been saying this for months. We need the same for our law enforcement, first responder, and other county employees.
    http://www.manassasjm.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=MJM/MGArticle/WPN_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173354027262&path=

  159. Vigilant1 said on 30 Dec 2007 at 10:37 am:
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    Dolph said on 30 Dec 2007 at 5:45 am:
    Immigration Is Defying Easy Answers

    The easiest answer (and it will work) is to remove the jobs that are brining the illegals here. No jobs, no money, no stay! The will self-deport as they are now doing in Arizona.;

  160. Bridget said on 30 Dec 2007 at 11:04 am:
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    http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/007363.html

    http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/007168.html

    http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/007112.html

  161. redawn said on 30 Dec 2007 at 11:35 am:
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    Article on SUR 13
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1443837/posts

    I just called the non-emergency number to report some tagging on a street sign too. The police are on there way to meet me. I have no idea what is says ( not SUR13) I will keep you posted as to what they say and how it is handled.

  162. redawn said on 30 Dec 2007 at 11:36 am:
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    *police are on THEIR way

  163. The Truth said on 30 Dec 2007 at 12:38 pm:
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    If the illegal aliens were given citizenship, would you accept them?

  164. Lisa said on 30 Dec 2007 at 1:11 pm:
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    Front News
    Printer-Friendly Version
    Email This Story

    Gang unit arrests four in county

    By ELISA A. GLUSHEFSKI
    eglushefski@potomacnews.com
    Friday, December 14, 2007

    http://www.potomacnews.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WPN%2FMGArticle%2FWPN_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173353859254&path=

  165. Archie said on 30 Dec 2007 at 1:11 pm:
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    Texan of the year, 2007

    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/texanofyear/stories/123007dnedianonymous.278c46.html

  166. Bridget said on 30 Dec 2007 at 1:11 pm:
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    The Truth,

    By definition, illegal aliens already HAVE citizenship …

  167. IN WOODBRIDGE said on 30 Dec 2007 at 1:22 pm:
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    Some people who give their stupid opinions are apparently blind or refuse to see what is taking place out here in our communities.
    We don’t need Greg or any of that crowd to tell us. We tell him and others as we hope in numbers we can get the local officials to open their eyes.
    These past few years have been devistating and it needs to stop.
    We quit going to the local 7/11,as the group that loiters there gets larger and they love to say things in their native tongue and it is not decent.
    Course 7/11 is all part of the problem and perhaps the best thing would be if they went out of business. Then we could have another dead spot on Rt. One.
    Now that Barg is gone we shall see if the new guy will do things different.??

    Greg and HSM has been the best thing that has happened to this County.

    Go Greg.

  168. Johnson said on 30 Dec 2007 at 1:41 pm:
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    Josh-A few years back, a gang out of Point of Woods was robbing joggers and newspaper delivery people in the early morning hours. Don’t know what a jogger would have that would merit robbing one, I carry my house key and an I.D. around my neck on a chain. Please be careful. Street robberies/assaults have escalated with the downturn of the housing market. Those who can’t work, steal and rob.

  169. Archie said on 30 Dec 2007 at 1:42 pm:
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    Re: “Gang unit arrests four in county”

    “Raul Enrique Polomo, 20, of 6455 Osprey Court in Dale City, was charged with three counts of possession of a concealed weapon - a gun, knife and brass knuckles, police said. He was held in lieu of a $5,000 bond.
    ………….
    Anthony Mendoza, 19, of Alexandria, was charged with wearing a mask in public. He was held in lieu of a $2,000 bond.
    Larin-Marquez, 22, 1987 Mayflower Drive in Lake Ridge, were each charged with being intoxicated in public, police said.
    Each is scheduled to appear in court Jan. 22.”

    What do you think Raul was going to do with all those weapons?
    Why do you suppose Anthony was wearing a mask?
    They are only here to do the jobs Americans won’t do!

    Okay now, I cannot help but think that these bonds are just too low.
    These people walk around with pocket money enough to make these bails.
    If I were to be arrested on either charge, especially the concealed weapons charges, I would expect to be in jail for a while. The idea I could bond out for $500 or $200 (10% paid to a bail-bondsman) is not a deterrent.
    I’d like to know the disposition of these cases.

    This is scary stuff!

  170. Dolph said on 30 Dec 2007 at 1:48 pm:
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    There are no simple answers to complex issues. Multi-dimensional problems require multi-dimensional solutions.

  171. Johnson said on 30 Dec 2007 at 1:51 pm:
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    Once again, be careful! I’d love to see a change in our laws that would allow naturalized citizens to be stripped of citizenship and deported. An MS-13 gang member in L.A. appealed his deportation by trying to claim asylum based on the fact that he would be targeted by rival gangs if he were to be returned to El Salvador. Choose the life, take your chances. His appeal was denied, by the way. Don’t see those rulings in the Kalifornia 9th Federal Circuit Courts very often.

  172. Lafayette said on 30 Dec 2007 at 2:43 pm:
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    Here’s the pictures of the sign reported by redawn earlier. The police had not been there when I got these shots. This on a back road and is not travelled much at all.
    http://community.webshots.com/album/561333843rNGkke?start=36

    IN WOODBRIDGE said on 30 Dec 2007 at 1:22 pm:
    Now that Barg is gone we shall see if the new guy will do things different.??

    I think we will have to wait and see. The one thing I do know beyond a shadow of a doubt…We would not have to wonder had Chris Royse been elected, because things would definately be differently him sitting on the board. Shame on Steve Keen for jumping in there late in the race. IMHO of course.

  173. redawn said on 30 Dec 2007 at 3:11 pm:
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    The police took the report, ictures and will pass it along to the Gang Task Force and have them examine it. I have to call VDOT to get it removed. The police officer was very helpful :)

  174. John Light said on 30 Dec 2007 at 3:34 pm:
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    http://www.flickr.com/photos/thewatchdog/sets/72157603542246516/show/

  175. Lafayette said on 30 Dec 2007 at 3:36 pm:
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    Take a look at this video from New Haven, CT of MS13 tagging of the local Vietnam Memorial. This MUST STOP!
    Secure our borders now.
    http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?p=5466

  176. me-n-u said on 30 Dec 2007 at 3:44 pm:
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    Mexican government to use “biochips” to curb immigration

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XScXum6vjM&eurl=http://prisonplanet.com/articles/291207Microchip.htm?p=1455

  177. MP Resident said on 30 Dec 2007 at 3:46 pm:
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    “Here’s some pictures of the school that got tagged”

    Right under a security camera, too.

  178. MP Resident said on 30 Dec 2007 at 3:46 pm:
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    Impressed that VDOT replaced the sign in 3 days instead of 3 months.

  179. Lafayette said on 30 Dec 2007 at 4:00 pm:
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    MP Resident said on 30 Dec 2007 at 3:46 pm:
    “Here’s some pictures of the school that got tagged”

    Right under a security camera, too.

    That’s right! I hope they catch those jokers. I would think with the camera right there they should have some good footage to work with. I didn’t point that out, and you are the first comment on it. Did you see the video I posted above from CT?
    You must see it. It reads “KILL WHITES”
    This is SICKENING!

  180. Bridget said on 30 Dec 2007 at 4:03 pm:
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    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,319028,00.html

    http://www.desertinvasion.us/areas/organpipe_nm.html

    http://www.americanpatriotjournal.com/index.php/?p=913

    http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/border/147968

    http://www.kriseggle.org/kris.htm

  181. Lafayette said on 30 Dec 2007 at 4:12 pm:
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    Bridget,
    Very interesting. I can’t believe our National Parks are being invaded like this. Thank you I learned I lot from those links.

  182. redawn said on 30 Dec 2007 at 4:20 pm:
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    Lafayette,

    “You must see it. It reads “KILL WHITES”
    This is SICKENING!”

    LA gang F13 accused of targeting blacks

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071230/ap_on_re_us/gang_takedown

  183. park'd said on 30 Dec 2007 at 4:33 pm:
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    # Lafayette said on 30 Dec 2007 at 4:00 pm:

    Did you see the video I posted above from CT?
    You must see it. It reads “KILL WHITES”
    This is SICKENING!

    Where are all the commie liberal pinkos now screaming HATE CRIME! HATE CRIME!? Must not be a hate crime if it’s directed towards whitey. Liberals and their terms…they make me feel all funny inside.

  184. park'd said on 30 Dec 2007 at 4:39 pm:
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    The truth: I’m surprised that after that comment you made comparing holocaust jews to illegal aliens that you would have the nerve to show your face around here again. Didn’t you get shamed enough already?

    To answer your question of whether or not we would accept them if they were given citizenship also shows you how little you know about your country or how little you care about it. Citizenship is only given to someone that is born here. Citizenship can not be “given” to anyone who is not born here. It can only be earned. If it is given to them freely without consequence then I will riot and take up arms along with many other thousands of Americans. If they are forced to earn it the proper way then we will see how that comes along and make our choices accordingly. I refuse to live in a lawless country where there are no consequences and repercussions for dire deeds. Any true American will do the same.

  185. josh said on 30 Dec 2007 at 4:48 pm:
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    Thanks Johnson,

    I think I heard about something like this but not sure where it was. I dont know what hoodlums would get out of me other than a bullet :) I’m not a gun nut by any means, however I’m pretty conscious of my family’s and my health.

    Luckily there are numerous folks in the neighborhood who run at the same time (who the hell wakes up at 4 am to run is nuts, myself included) so I have some company :)

  186. Bridget said on 30 Dec 2007 at 5:05 pm:
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    You are most welcome, Lafayette. It is an ugly reality that has been going on for years … and those few links represent but the iceberg tip.

    More on the New Haven Veteran Memorial defacement … not at all convinced that MS 13 had a hand in this… perhaps some wanna-be punks or hoodlums wanting to stir up some local muck.

    I lost an uncle and a cousin to Vietnam … beyond the fray this is … outlandish.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1945933/posts

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1870353/posts

  187. Lafayette said on 30 Dec 2007 at 5:34 pm:
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    Bridget,
    Wanna-be’s certainly can not not be ruled out. I just hope this isn’t a Welcome sign of sorts from MS13. Thanks again.

  188. Bridget said on 30 Dec 2007 at 5:54 pm:
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    park’d,

    If I may, add one small note to your statement regarding citizenship: I am a U.S. citizen who was born overseas to two U.S. citizens.

    Such children are recognized as U.S. citizens despite not having been born on U.S. soil. In fact, a child born overseas with only a single U.S. citizen parent is still considered a citizen.

    My parents spent large chunks of their adult married life in foreign locations. My fathers career took him all over the globe … and all of the kids were born in different nations. Along with our foreighn birth certificates, we each recieved a Consular Report of Birth from a U.S. Embassy.

    The funny thing was, not one of us ever recieved birthright citizenship from our place of birth. Very few nations grant citizenship to foreign babies … and my father definitly did not hand off the hospital bill to the host nation … nor the tuition for his kids schooling.

  189. MP Resident said on 30 Dec 2007 at 6:27 pm:
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    “Have the illegals been forced to wear little gold stars on their jackets to signify them to society?”

    This reminds me..I find it somewhat odd that MS-13 gangbangers willingly tag themselves so all (including law enforcement) know who they are.

    Yea, I know there’s an element of pride in being a gangbanger for these people, but seriously, why would someone willingly want to brand themselves as a criminal?

  190. monticup said on 30 Dec 2007 at 6:39 pm:
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    The concept of criminality is foreign to them. They make their own rules.

  191. monticup said on 30 Dec 2007 at 6:42 pm:
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    Bridget: No other major country offers birthright citizenship the way we do. And when we also have generous welfare benefits–you get a recipe for disaster.

  192. Lafayette said on 30 Dec 2007 at 6:46 pm:
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    MP Resident said on 30 Dec 2007 at 6:27 pm:
    They may want to “mark their territory” or mark what they wish to make their turf.

  193. Archie said on 30 Dec 2007 at 7:14 pm:
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    Lafayette, marking their turf is what animals do!

  194. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 30 Dec 2007 at 7:23 pm:
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    http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=211579
    “A Tulsa federal judge won’t revive a group’s challenge to the new immigration law.”

    THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO SEE MORE OF!

  195. Bridget said on 30 Dec 2007 at 7:27 pm:
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    Absolutely right, monticup. The whole concept of birthright citizenship without heritage is bizzare to me. I, nor any of my siblings, had or have any “birthright” claim on the nations we were born in. Our citizen birthright was determined by our parents.

    http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/jus-sanguinis.html

    http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/jus-solis.html

  196. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 30 Dec 2007 at 7:28 pm:
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    http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/12/29/dream_turns_nightmare/

    WE NEED MORE OF THIS TOO…IN OUR LOCAL AREA! Here is part of the problem from the article: “The arrests sent a shiver through a town where the Ecuadoran population has swelled from a few people to about 2,000 in recent years. And it has revealed conflicting portraits of Tacuri, one of the pioneering immigrants whom others followed to Milford.”

    So there we have it…the potential “aiding and abetting” situation…see last sentence.

  197. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 30 Dec 2007 at 7:32 pm:
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    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/12/29/state/n055659S44.DTL
    “Court turns down asylum plea by SoCal gang member”

    Maybe these people will realize being in a gang is not a good thing!

  198. Bridget said on 30 Dec 2007 at 8:13 pm:
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    Unreal.

    http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/30/dallas-morning-news-names-illegal-immigrant-the-2007-texan-of-the-year/

  199. Alexandrianagainstillegals said on 30 Dec 2007 at 8:26 pm:
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    Whats this big yellow ford you guys talk about? There is one here in Alexandria, but its jacked up on high springs.

  200. Archie said on 30 Dec 2007 at 8:39 pm:
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    One of the blog participants’ daughter was stalked by the occupants of such a truck.

  201. Lafayette said on 30 Dec 2007 at 8:41 pm:
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    Alexandrianagainstillegals said on 30 Dec 2007 at 8:26 pm:
    Whats this big yellow ford you guys talk about? There is one here in Alexandria, but its jacked up on high springs.

    It’s the description of a truck that was following two 8th graders(girls) in Sudley. This happened back in the summer. Perhaps, ateacher will come on and retell this horrible incident.

  202. es_la_ley said on 30 Dec 2007 at 8:42 pm:
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    For those of you in the Coles District…

    (note: this has nothing to do with legal vs illegal, just an article about a brazen mid-day robbery on a Saturday afternoon. Be alert, be aware.)

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    Convenience store robbed by armed men

    Two men armed with handguns robbed a convenience store in the 12100 block of Dumfries Road [my edit: that’s the 7-11 at Rt 234 and Purcell] in the Manassas area around 2:50 p.m. on Dec. 22, police said.

    The men entered the store, and ordered two store clerks and a customer in the store to get on the floor. One man took several lottery tickets and an undisclosed amount of cash. One of the suspects also took a wallet from the 46-year-old customer.

    No one was injured during the robbery.

    The suspects are described as two Hispanic males, between 20 and 30 years old, approximately five feet, five inches tall and with a medium build. One suspect was wearing a light-colored cowboy hat, blue jeans and a leather jacket. The other man was wearing a white shirt, blue jeans and a leather jacket.

    source: http://www.potomacnews.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WPN/MGArticle/WPN_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173354027268&path=
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  203. park'd said on 30 Dec 2007 at 8:51 pm:
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    I for one am 100% against modifying the constitution to prevent “anchor babies” from becoming US Citizens. I think if you are born here then doggonit you are a citizen. I may not like the unscrupulousness of the illegals’ methods, but that’s what the founders wrote and who am I to argue that? Their parents on the other hand have no rights to citizenship just because their child is one. They should be given the option of taking the child with them back to their country or giving the child up for adoption to a US family. The child could always return at any point in the future to live with legal relatives or with the parents if/when they decide to apply for US Citizenship - THE LEGAL WAY.

    Bridg: Yes I know that as well. I was born on a US military base in Germany and was also born a citizen of both countries. If you are born in the US or one of its territories or by parents in the service of this country in a foreign land then you are a US Citizen.

    Two things that really chap my hide:

    1. When someone compares these illegal clowns and their “plight” to that of WW2 Jewish Holocaust victims.

    2. The thought that citizenship can be given to foreign invaders as easily as a Queen would drop her scepter on a warrior and make him a Knight. Then we all just shrug our shoulders and all is well with the world.

  204. pwteach said on 30 Dec 2007 at 9:01 pm:
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    High crime and low economic status go hand in hand. Millions of poor ($) illegals here (and still coming) + a decrease in jobs = ___________. You do the math.

  205. Archie said on 30 Dec 2007 at 9:13 pm:
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    WOW Park’d, you sure sent out mixed messages there!

    You are all for “ANCHOR BABIES”, but not for instant citizenship.

    WHAT?

  206. es_la_ley said on 30 Dec 2007 at 9:15 pm:
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    pwteach : “High crime and low economic status go hand in hand. Millions of poor ($) illegals here (and still coming) + a decrease in jobs = ___________. You do the math.”

    Quite right. Too early to quantify it, but I think we’ll see a surge in robberies, burglaries, and the like.

  207. pwteach said on 30 Dec 2007 at 9:22 pm:
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    Fox News has a good show on right now on illegal immigration and what it is doing to our healthcare….

  208. pwteach said on 30 Dec 2007 at 9:34 pm:
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    MS 13 is being highlighted now.

  209. park'd said on 30 Dec 2007 at 9:40 pm:
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    How is this sending mixed messages? Mixed messages for someone who is unable to understand logic maybe. If you are born on US soil then you are a citizen. It’s in the Constitution. If you read my post then you’ll see that under no circumstances am I for “instant citzenship” for their parents or relatives. If you are born in the USA then you are a citizen. I may not like it, but that’s the way it is. How you can relate that to granting 30 million foreign invaders instant citizenship is beyond me. If junior is born here then he/she has every right to be here that we do. His parents, however, do not and should be deported and given the option of taking junior with them or leaving him/her here in the USA.

  210. monticup said on 30 Dec 2007 at 9:48 pm:
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    Park’d: You better re-read the Constitution. The birthright citizenship clause was created specifically for freed slaves to enable them to become citizens. It has since been bastardized and exploited.

  211. es_la_ley said on 30 Dec 2007 at 10:09 pm:
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    In regard to the 14th Amendment and anchor babies:

    http://www.14thamendment.us/birthright_citizenship/original_intent.html

  212. Vigilant1 said on 30 Dec 2007 at 10:15 pm:
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    Archie said on 30 Dec 2007 at 1:42 pm:
    Re: “Gang unit arrests four in county”

    Do you think the latter two will make their court date? DOUBT IT!

  213. park'd said on 30 Dec 2007 at 10:16 pm:
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    Well I think that if this really were the case then some enterprising lawyer would have already had this in front of the Supreme Court. It’s all open to interpretation I suppose and the last time it was interpreted it was changed to the way it is today. When/if they decide to reinterpret it and change it to close the loophole then I will be all for supporting it. I don’t see that happening and apparently no other lawyers do either or else it would already be getting fast tracked through the courts.

  214. Vigilant1 said on 30 Dec 2007 at 10:30 pm:
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    es_la_ley said on 30 Dec 2007 at 10:09 pm:
    In regard to the 14th Amendment and anchor babies:

    It’s a shame that our Congress will not address this subject. Webb, Warner and Wolf have never taken a position (ignore) on this subject. Check their immigration voting records.

  215. Alexandrianagainstillegals said on 30 Dec 2007 at 10:34 pm:
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    Archie, Lafayette, others:

    Any more info on this truck - do we need to track it down?

    Like I said, my rental community has a huge yellow truck, came just a few months ago, had contractor writing on it, but now its just paint.

    Let me know its important to get more info. If there was no crime involved, (just suspicion of mal intent) then I’ll probably just let it go.

  216. Archie said on 30 Dec 2007 at 11:14 pm:
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    Alex: As I understand it there was just suspicious and obnoxious activity.
    That was a long time ago as well.

  217. The Truth said on 30 Dec 2007 at 11:38 pm:
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    Park’d said:
    “Citizenship can not be “given” to anyone who is not born here. It can only be earned. If it is given to them freely without consequence then I will riot and take up arms along with many other thousands of Americans.”

    You understand that rioting and taking up arms is insurrection. To do it in defiance of the federal government is treason. I thought the whole point here was to reestablish the rule of law…remember? Rioting and taking up arms along with thousands of other Americans doesn’t sound anything like law and order.

    You would be labeled a terrorist Park’d. And they’d Park you over in sunny and pristine Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Is that what you want?

  218. redawn said on 30 Dec 2007 at 11:52 pm:
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    The Truth,

    are you aka?

    The truth comes out?

    “PWIndependent | December 29, 2007
    ” Do you think the activists and lobbiests who are intent on deporting 12 million people would come around to accepting the rule of law if it turned out the new law was not to their liking?”

    My husband and I have posed this question on several of the local blogs. The question is generally ignored though one person responded, “No, there would be too many people.” I suspect that that answer would be more commonly expressed but isn’t offered because it negates the “rule of law” argument since these people would now be here legally.”

    “PWIndependent | December 29, 2007
    Someone just posed this question on one of the more inflammatory blogs and a couple posters did cite the opposition to amnesty as a response. Another poster asked the questioner if he or she was “aiding and abetting”. LOL!”

    This is fine if it is you…but don’t play games………..LOL

  219. Dignidad said on 31 Dec 2007 at 12:24 am:
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    The Truth, this issue can’t be solved by magically granting citizenship to the millions of those who are here illegally. If that were to happen it would only encourage more to come illegally. Do you not believe that we should have sovereignty over our borders?

  220. AWCheney said on 31 Dec 2007 at 12:41 am:
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    If you want to talk treason, “The Truth,” perhaps you should consider the violation of the Constitutional mandate of our government to protect our nation from invasion by foreign nations…and I would think that millions of foreign nationals illegally flowing across our borders would constitute an invasion, particularly since they are being encouraged by their native countries to invade us. Technically speaking, those of this country who allow and encourage this unimpeded flow are, in fact, guilty of treason. Guantanamo could get rather crowded.

  221. The Truth said on 31 Dec 2007 at 3:45 am:
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    AWCheney,

    What an unfortunate last name you have. Calling immigration an invasion is, quite simply, bigotry. This is migration not invasion.

    Calling this migration an invasion is very dangerous rhetoric that is already getting people killed.

    An invasion involves a military assault and capture of territory. Kinda like what we are doing in Iraq. DOH!

    Park’d,
    If you believe in armed insurrection to oppose invasion…doesn’t that mean you are in support of the people in iraq and afghanistan who
    are fighting against a REAL military invasion. You can’t have it both ways Park’d. Trying to do so is called hypocrisy.

    To ALL,
    Which one qualifies more as an invasion and why?
    A.Poor people looking to work for the scraps that fall off our tables and willing to accept a life where they don’t have citizenship and
    all the indignities that come with that?

    B.Military assault and occupation of a sovereign nation that was no threat to us whatsoever. Destruction of their military forces,
    destruction of their infrastructure, destruction of their government, capturing and killing their leaders, destruction of their cities,
    etc., etc..

    Please have the moral courage to answer the question above.

  222. Bridget said on 31 Dec 2007 at 6:55 am:
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    http://www.vdare.com/sutherland/weigh_anchor.htm

    http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters4608

    “The United Kingdom and Australia repealed their U.S. style policies in the 1980’s after witnessing abuses similar to those plaguing the U.S. today.”

    Add to that list The Republic of Ireland (2005) and New Zealand (2006).

  223. independent thinker said on 31 Dec 2007 at 9:09 am:
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    Dolph,
    thank you again for pointing out this is a complex problem that requires a multi dimension solution. A point lost on many people commenting here.

    Truth,
    Many of the people here are outgoing only, but it is important to post alternate views anyway!

    RedDawn,

    Who cares if Truth posted as someone else. Communicating via computer is not “real” faces anyway. By its very nature computer communication is anyonymous.

  224. Dignidad said on 31 Dec 2007 at 9:47 am:
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    The Truth, do you believe we have a sovereign right over our borders? If you do, then how can you honestly not see the common sense logic that millions of people here illegally have been an invasion of sorts? Of course it is different from a military invasion. That still doesn’t make it okay.

    If you don’t believe in our right to decide who enters our country, what do you think will happen to this country? What is happening today is different from earlier periods of immigration. Where do you think that will lead us in another 20 years if we let the illegal immigration go unchecked?

  225. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 31 Dec 2007 at 10:29 am:
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    The Truth said on 31 Dec 2007 at 3:45 am:

    Calling this migration an invasion is very dangerous rhetoric that is already getting people killed.

    An invasion involves a military assault and capture of territory. Kinda like what we are doing in Iraq. DOH!
    ___________________________________

    Ok Truth, I guess you do not know the definition ofinvasion, so, I looked it up for you:

    American Heritage Dictionary
    in·va·sion (ĭn-vā’zhən) Pronunciation Key
    n.

    1. The act of invading, especially the entrance of an armed force into a territory to conquer.
    2. A large-scale onset of something injurious or harmful, such as a disease.
    3. An intrusion or encroachment.

    While one definition is the entrance of armed forces, it is not the ONLY meaning.

    This is an intrusion into the US through our porous borders. Hence, this is why people call it an INVASION. It appears to me, IMHO, you do not see shades of gray only black and white. You would be better suited in life to see those shades of gray, IMHO.

    As far as your other question BOTH are equal:

    A) They are law breakers. They do not belong here and have entered the country ILLEGALLY. They have invaded.

    B) You really don’t get out past the main stream media do you. I would suggest you read more before regurgitating all of the rhetoric of the liberals.
    _________________________________

    Not all is anonymous IT, I have met one person from this blog face to face and spoken on the phone with another. It is
    anonymous if you make it such.

  226. Lafayette said on 31 Dec 2007 at 11:00 am:
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    /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 31 Dec 2007 at 10:29 am:
    Not all is anonymous IT, I have met one person from this blog face to face and spoken on the phone with another. It is
    anonymous if you make it such.

    I’ve met several from here face to face too. By the same token, I still think even the ones we know still have their anonymity. I’m confident the quite a few have their alter egos they post under from time to time.

  227. Loudoun said on 31 Dec 2007 at 11:00 am:
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    I agree wholeheartedly with Medic 64. This is not a migration, it is an invasion.

    I suggest everyone ignore The Truth, who is clearly incapable of knowing the truth.

  228. Lafayette said on 31 Dec 2007 at 11:01 am:
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    corr:
    I’m confident THAT quite a few have their alter egos they post under from time to time.

  229. anonymoustoo said on 31 Dec 2007 at 11:05 am:
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    “Citizenship can not be “given” to anyone who is not born here. It can only be earned. If it is given to them freely without consequence then I will riot and take up arms along with many other thousands of Americans. If they are forced to earn it the proper way then we will see how that comes along and make our choices accordingly. I refuse to live in a lawless country where there are no consequences and repercussions for dire deeds. Any true American will do the same.”

    Park’d, as improbable as the scenario of millions of people being automatically given citizenship is, the federal government would be the entity to do so. Like it or not, the Feds are our representatives, our mouthpiece, our government. To take up arms against our representative form of democracy because of something which it did that might not please you (the improbable giving of citizenship) would be treasonous in my opinion. Tell me how it would be different from those of us who don’t support the government’s position in Iraq taking up arms to overthrow it? There’s a way to address these issues and that’s with our votes…as Pollyannaish as that may seem.

  230. Bridget said on 31 Dec 2007 at 11:23 am:
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    Invasion: The act of entering anothers territory or domain. An intrusion, encroachment: entrance without being invited or wanted.

    Do the invaders have no moral restraints - or is it only those who are unwilling to surrender and submit who commit moral turpitude?

    If I refuse to submit to some guys uninvited advances, does that make me bad, selfish, sexist? And should I care that he might think me a bitch for my non compliance? Do I allow him to have his way out of fear that he might thing ill of me otherwise? Do I just say oh well, what the hell, if he claims that he is needy and it’s been a while since his last date? Do his needs and desires outweigh my rights? Do I have any rights or only obligations?

    Of course the issues are complex and multi-dimentional!

    And that is why some do not buy all the simplistic pity party propagand that paints all “immigrants” as needy neglected children simply hungry for a few crumbs - suffering, lonely, disenfrachised, lost and looking for love.

    When the only thing you can rely on to get what you want is emotional blackmail and manipulation, then you will get ignored. It is just another attempt to squelch debate -as is indulging in personal attacks.

    We all understand and empathize with the reasons why some people choose to enter nations illegaly. But empathy alone does not justify illegal immigration. Billions of people could improve their lives by illegaly immigrating.

  231. park'd said on 31 Dec 2007 at 12:18 pm:
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    # AWCheney said on 31 Dec 2007 at 12:41 am:

    If you want to talk treason, “The Truth,” perhaps you should consider the violation of the Constitutional mandate of our government to protect our nation from invasion by foreign nations…and I would think that millions of foreign nationals illegally flowing across our borders would constitute an invasion, particularly since they are being encouraged by their native countries to invade us. Technically speaking, those of this country who allow and encourage this unimpeded flow are, in fact, guilty of treason. Guantanamo could get rather crowded.

    You took the words right out of my mouth AWC. In my point of view, anyone who aids and abets this foreign invasion is already a traitor to the country. Waving a wand and granting “instant citizenship” to 30 million invaders would be the equivalent of pulling out the Constitution and taking a wizz on it and in my eyes would be an act of treason. It won’t happen anyway so there is no use speculating on it. Worst case they will be forced to pay fines, learn English and a host of other wrist slapping escapades. Best case, they will have all the jobs and opportunities dry up on them as states start to “grow a pair” and enforce existing laws and will therefor deport themselves.

  232. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 31 Dec 2007 at 1:00 pm:
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    Park’d, They are already self deporting. I placed a link to an article earlier showing that very thing. One of the ILLEGAL aliens was interviewed and said he was telling his family not to come as he was looking for a way back home. The resolution has had positive effects already. Global Foods and the laundromat next to it have slowed down considerably. While that may not be good for business, it could be a blessing in that people who wouldn’t use the facilities because they were over crowded, will start to use them. I guarantee you if the welfare system was made in such a way that people had to have some sort of job in order to get the assistance, I guarantee you there would not be any jobs Americans wouldn’t want to do. If the Americans get hungry enough, they will work for any wage to try to feed themselves. The Great Depression comes to mind.

  233. independent thinker said on 31 Dec 2007 at 2:51 pm:
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    Medic, I am not quite sure what you mean, during the Depression people were not working, they were starving and jumping off buildings. Is that the kind of country you want?

    “Whatever the causes, the consequences of the Great Depression were staggering. In the cities, thousands of jobless men roamed the streets, looking for work. It wasn’t unusual for 2,000 or 3,000 applicants to show up for one or two job openings. If they weren’t looking for work, they were looking for food. Bread lines were established to stop people from starving. And more than a million families lost their houses and took up residence in shantytowns made up of tents, packing crates, and the hulks of old cars. They were called “Hoovervilles,” a mocking reference to President Hoover, whom many blamed (somewhat unfairly) for the mess the country was in.

    Thousands of farmers left their homes in states like Oklahoma and Arkansas and headed for the promise of better days in the West, especially California. What they found there, however, was most often a backbreaking existence as migrant laborers, living in squalid camps, and picking fruit for starvation wages.”

  234. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 31 Dec 2007 at 3:16 pm:
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    IT, I am not even going to give your dumb comment another thought. Some COMMON SENSE needs to be used in your own head. Of course, that was not the point of my post. The point is, people would work for ANY wage to feed themselves. This negates the “We do jobs Americans will not do” mantra the ILLEGAL aliens have. If Americans are hungry enough, they will work for money to feed themselves. Use your handle and THINK. Sheeesh!!!

  235. independent thinker said on 31 Dec 2007 at 3:26 pm:
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    Medic,
    Plenty of people work for a living, have you heard of the working poor. The reality is that the government refuses to implement a real working program to help, mostly single women, work AND recieve assistance(like child care and health insurance). The cycle of poverty is not one that easily solved with simplistic solutions. As for my “dumb comment”, the reality is that you made a very poor analogy and I just reflected that in my response.

  236. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 31 Dec 2007 at 3:26 pm:
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    To all: Happy new year and be responsible this evening. If you have to drink this evening, do all a favor and leave your keys at the door with the host. Most cabs will give a ride for free or reduced fee. Please be kind to others on the road and do not subject them to your antics. Drink responsibly!!

  237. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 31 Dec 2007 at 3:38 pm:
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    I use to be the working poor when I was a Paramedic. I worked 100 hours a week and STILL qualified for food stamps. You ask how is that possible? No overtime due to an obscure 1935 ICC law regarding long haul drivers that cross the state line. Once the driver crosses over the state line you do not have to pay overtime. The ambulance service made sure everyone went over the state line every week. The dispatcher was to call someone in if they had not made it over the line. So, I know what it was like. I didn’t have health insurance and had to pay for monthly seizure meds for my youngest. So yeah, I have heard of the working poor. The manager at McDonald’s made more money on the hour than I did risking my life to save the life of a stranger.

    When the ILLEGAL aliens are deported, whether it is self deportation or through federal means, the sooner our country will come around. I was using the great depression analogy to show that when people have to work, they WILL work for whatever wage they can get. Just like the working poor do today. Life is about choices, you determine the path by choice. Everyone can get an education just by applying themselves to get one. There are grants and tuition assistance programs out there that will enable ANYONE to get an education if they try hard enough.

    Nothing should be handed out. You should work for it. The more you hand out, the more people will be coming around looking for it. Why work if you can have all of your necessities provided?

  238. Bridget said on 31 Dec 2007 at 3:39 pm:
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    This just in from New Haven, Conn.: Sanctuary City

    http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?s=7557897

  239. Lafayette said on 31 Dec 2007 at 5:20 pm:
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    Bridget,
    Here’s an update with the supspects picture. This is what a “sancutuary” policy will get you. Maybe, the gangs are on there way to New Haven.
    http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=7560578&nav=menu29_2

  240. anon said on 31 Dec 2007 at 6:01 pm:
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    I hope that doesn’t migrate down here.

  241. MP Resident said on 31 Dec 2007 at 6:22 pm:
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    “who aids and abets this foreign invasion is already a traitor to the country. Waving a wand and granting “instant citizenship” to 30 million invaders would be the equivalent of pulling out the Constitution and taking a wizz on it”

    So who was it who referred to the Constitution as a “just a g*d****ed peice of paper”? Maybe the same guy pushing real hard for an amnesty right now?

  242. Bridget said on 31 Dec 2007 at 6:29 pm:
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    Thanks much for the update, Laf. I do not know what to say that wouldn’t get me banned from BVBL.

    This wicked crap has to stop. A curse on all who have made this little girls hell possible, plausable and profitable. From her mother , her “escort”, all the way up to the White House. To hell with the lot of you.

    (Deep Breath)

    We are being taught to tolerate the intolarable for a reason.

  243. Archie said on 31 Dec 2007 at 7:59 pm:
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    “Bayberry resident said on 28 Dec 2007 at 10:17 pm:
    Redawn, I didn’t specifically call you narrow minded, so do you have a guilty conscience?”

    Well Bayberry, you may want Redawn or others to believe you are not critical of them or calling them names, as you claim above, BUT from what I have seen from you ever since, and including, your very first post on BVBL, you are a name calling finger pointer who does not have a fraction of the class the old-timers on this blog have. You owe MANY apologies!
    All you do is criticize and condemn others.
    What is with you?

    You should look into your own soul and try to find out why you do this.

  244. Vigilant1 said on 3 Jan 2008 at 9:57 am:
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    /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 31 Dec 2007 at 3:38 pm:

    Nothing should be handed out. You should work for it. The more you hand out, the more people will be coming around looking for it. Why work if you can have all of your necessities provided?

    Give a man a fish…
    and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

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