RK Latches On To The Third Kind Of Lie
By Greg L | 1 January 2008 | Illegal Aliens, Crime, Prince William County | 45 Comments
RazingKaine regales us with an interesting defense of the notion that illegal aliens are really not an issue, and we just shouldn’t get all that worked up about a group of lawbreakers that might then go on to graduate from violations of federal immigration laws to things like murder. Illegal alien apologists have been working this tack for quite some time now, arguing that because overall crime rates haven’t exploded during a period of increased legal and illegal immigration, there really isn’t a crime problem with illegal aliens. What a fanciful notion, and one that flies squarely in the face of our collective experience.
OK, now, I’m not a statistical expert, but doesn’t this demonstrate an INVERSE correlation between (increased) immigration and (decreased) homicide? Yet, if you listen to the overheated rhetoric of the anti-immigrant forces, you’d think there was a strong, even disastrous, positive correlation. Well, as the headline says, so much for THAT theory!
It’s always amusing to see the illegal alien apologists demonstrate just how hard they’re working to not listen to the legitimate concerns of those who have suffered the effects that illegal aliens impose on our society. Beyond their facetious attempt to re-cast efforts to reduce the number of illegal aliens unlawfully residing in our communities as being “anti-immigrant”, the contention that it is acceptable for illegal aliens to commit murders just as long as the overall crime rate doesn’t go through the roof is stunning. The spin machine here is really in overdrive.
Here in Prince William County, there were nine murders in 2007, which is seven less than in 2006. Of those nine murders, three of those were committed by illegal alien Anastacio Sanchez-Miranda, one was committed by Christian Molina, an illegal alien from El Salvador, and another by an illegal alien by the name of Jose Martinez-Zeron. So of the nine murders in Prince William County during 2007, five of those murders were committed by illegal aliens. To the RazingKaine crowd, because the number of murders committed by persons other than illegal aliens sharply decreased over the previous year, this drop somehow is proof that illegal aliens are not a crime problem. If legal residents commit fewer crimes, that means illegal aliens are not a crime problem, somehow. How pitifully desperate.
I can understand though that the RK crowd doesn’t understand what’s happening in Prince William, and chalk this up to a knee-jerk reaction to any story that might suggest that illegal aliens are somehow a good thing. If it reinforces their pre-conceived “progressive” foolishness, they’ll jump all over it. In this case The Washington Post, in a typical act of journalistic malfeasance, proffered up this little piece of spin despite fully understanding what the underlying data here really looks like because they’ve been covering the individual stories all year, and have reported on the legal status of these criminals. They’ve clearly got their agenda here, also. Unfortunately, that agenda doesn’t match up quite right with reality, unless you start attributing behavior from one group of persons who are not illegal aliens to illegal aliens, and then muddy the waters by talking about “immigrants”, a group no one is particularly concerned with.
The clear fact is that these five murders would have been entirely prevented if federal, state and local officials had fully done their job to ensure that illegal aliens weren’t residing in our communities. The clear fact is that over half of the murders in Prince William County were committed by illegal aliens, which is a hugely disproportional crime rate given that illegal aliens aren’t estimated to be anywhere near 50% of our population. Whether the overall murder statistic goes up, down, or remains the same, the contribution of illegal aliens to this number in any degree demonstrates that crimes that would not have happened if we were controlling our borders and halting the flood of illegal aliens into our nation are indeed happening. The only meaningful statistic here is that every one of these crimes was one hundred percent preventable.
So RazingKaine wants to assert that the more illegal aliens we have, the lower our murder rate should be. Since Arlington seems to enjoy having illegal aliens, perhaps they could all be provided with housing in one area, let’s say on North Lynbrook Drive for example, and we’ll see what happens to the crime rate there. If the wacky left wants to engage in a social experiment about the benefits of having great numbers of illegal aliens unlawfully residing in our communities, fine. At least they can show us the courtesy of using their own neighborhoods as the test bed, rather than demanding that those of us in Prince William County who don’t care to have our communities overrun with illegal aliens involuntarily conduct these experiments on their behalf. Make some of these communities actually “affordable”, as they always seem wont to do everywhere they don’t reside, and invite in the illegals in. We’ll check back in a year or two and see how it goes.
These aren’t lies, nor are they damned lies. They’re statistics. If the RK crowd actually believes this is a good way to reduce the crime rate, they should be all for it, right?
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I haven’t seen anything like that Raising Kaine post since Flavor of Love was on VH-1…about the same quality.
Here’s a different perspective on this that makes just a little more sense:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo9eWGqK6rE
Lowell does not have a clue. Anyone with a desire to call themselves a reporter and possessed an ounce of integrity would be ashamed and embarrassed to have written that post. As usual the ace reporter neglects to investigate or consider the facts behind his writings, he just finds a desired outcome and prints a story accordingly. Had you not pointed it out I never would have known that he had written another extraordinarily stupid post, because I normally stay away from that mind warping site.
Thanks for beginning my new year with a reminder to watch out for drunks and moronic blog posts. (maybe rk could use the excuse that he was drunk as a reason for printing such a stupid article.)
I was thinking that even a broken clock is right twice a day, and I did find one thing Lowell is right about…..he’s no statistics expert.
Interestingly enough, a clock that runs backwards is right four times a day!
OK, seriously, are these guys completely clueless? With all due respect, does anyone in the Razing Kaine crowd want any kind of immigration laws? Can someone on the left articulate that? And if there are laws, should they be obeyed and/or enforced?
By the way, the only caveat I would give you is that nine murders may be considered by some to be a “small sample size,” so beware.
The Dumb Blond (her words not mine) has chosen a quite accurate handle.
You mean to tell us, Dumb Blond, that social services are inefficient and are clumsy at scaling to meet demand?? WHAT? How could this be? We all know that social services are so much better than the free market…right? right?
She supports our military invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation on the other side of the planet..but god forbid some poor and desperate people should come here and work.
Does this Ann Coulter wannabe actually think we can just rely on our own oil supply? Our oil production has been in decline since the 1970s. I’ve got some news for you Dumb Blond, if the oil has been decreasing since 1970…maybe…that means it will continue decreasing for the next 40 years as well. Just a guess. Our economy on the other hand keeps growing and we can all be thankful for that. The immigrants who build our houses, office buildings, roads, laboratories, government buildings, modern infrastructure, etc. help our economy keep growing.
We have an overwhelming and burdensome illegal alien disaster on our hands and the fact that so many of our local and state government representatives refuse to acknowledge it, in favor of representing illegal aliens infuriates me. DH and I drove up and down our street today. We have around 40 houses on our street and there are 6 and possibly 8 empty houses and two others that are not empty, but have for sale signs up.
The Truth said on 1 Jan 2008 at 5:27 pm:
god forbid
God forbid. If you are going to use that phrase, GET IT RIGHT!
The Truth said on 1 Jan 2008 at 5:27 pm:
The immigrants who build our houses, office buildings, roads, laboratories, government buildings, modern infrastructure, etc. help our economy keep growing.
And what are the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS doing for our economy other than running boarding houses and trashing the neighborhoods they move into?
450 ILLEGALS detained in the count jail this year - 250+ aleady deported with more on their way. GOTTA LOVE ‘EM!
There are quality of life issues that could be better addressed. Boarding houses is an example. But saying that our country is being invaded?…this is nuts…and sounds like bigotry. You guys are driving people away. Immigration always produces culture clash…it’s an investment in the future…where the children of the immigrants grow up thinking of themselves as americans.
We ARE being invaded by ILLEGAL aliens. It’s “nuts” to to not realize this fact.
it’s an investment in the future…where the children of the immigrants grow up thinking of themselves as americans — Truth
OORRR,
It seriously degrades the future, where actual American children grow up thinking they’re living in a cesspool, having to learn a second language of no economic importance. Not in My country, thank you.
It certainly IS an invasion when some schools in PWC have enrollment that is 90 % students needing ESOL services.
okay, so Raising Kaine is just fine with me going into a McDonalds in what would could be termed a “white” area, and not being able to order because i don’t speak Spanish, and the people behind the counter don’t speak English? oh yeah, that’s assimilation alright.
Now that it’s the first of the new year it’s time for the insurance checkpoints and DUI checkpoints like the one run Sunday night in my neighborhood where a hispanic got out of his car and instead of submitting to the blood alcohol test he ran and jumped a fence into the woods. But he left his vehicle so I guess we get to auction that off to help offset some of the costs.
Haven’t seen anything in the MJM about this checkpoint but maybe because of the holidays they are behind on the local news.
Time to take our county back.
Dave in PWC said on 1 Jan 2008 at 8:14 pm:
Time to take our county back.
“Anchors” away!
450 ILLEGALS detained in the county jail this year - 250+ aleady deported with more on their way. GOTTA LOVE ‘EM! ………
Where can we find verifiable stats for deportations of illegal aliens detained in local county jails (Loudoun, Fairfax, PWC)?
Arlington and Alexandria don’t have illegal aliens - or so they tell us.
After you thought it couldn’t get any worse…….
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8TSKC1G0&show_article=1
What’s next, sending school busses across the border to collect the kiddies and bring them to school?
junes_reston said on 1 Jan 2008 at 8:33 pm:
450 ILLEGALS detained in the county jail this year - 250+ aleady deported with more on their way. GOTTA LOVE ‘EM! ………
This has been broadcast on WMAL the past few days so there are statistics out there somewhere. Maybe an e-mail to Chris Core asking him where the radio station got their info might help.
999 said on 1 Jan 2008 at 8:38 pm:
What’s next, sending school busses across the border to collect the kiddies and bring them to school?
If The Truth had his/her way then yeah that’s what we would be doing.
999
Thanks for the above link. Can you believe that Americans are providing these services to the detriment of their own students. It is time all cities stopped being doormats. Somebody needs to be stopping these children very morning.
It’s just another example of how public services are inefficient and cannot scale to meet demand. If you rely on public services and you know they are inefficient…maybe you should stop relying on them.
Truth, I thought we had discussed the invasion on a previous thread. In case you didn’t read it, here it is again:
From the Christmas Crime way thread:
/\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 31 Dec 2007 at 10:29 am:
The Truth said on 31 Dec 2007 at 3:45 am:
Calling this migration an invasion is very dangerous rhetoric that is already getting people killed.
An invasion involves a military assault and capture of territory. Kinda like what we are doing in Iraq. DOH!
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Ok Truth, I guess you do not know the definition ofinvasion, so, I looked it up for you:
American Heritage Dictionary
in·va·sion (ĭn-vā’zhən) Pronunciation Key
n.
1. The act of invading, especially the entrance of an armed force into a territory to conquer.
2. A large-scale onset of something injurious or harmful, such as a disease.
3. An intrusion or encroachment.
While one definition is the entrance of armed forces, it is not the ONLY meaning.
This is an intrusion into the US through our porous borders. Hence, this is why people call it an INVASION. It appears to me, IMHO, you do not see shades of gray only black and white. You would be better suited in life to see those shades of gray, IMHO.
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Your post in regards to the answers below it:
The Truth said on 31 Dec 2007 at 3:45 am:
AWCheney,
What an unfortunate last name you have. Calling immigration an invasion is, quite simply, bigotry. This is migration not invasion.
Calling this migration an invasion is very dangerous rhetoric that is already getting people killed.
An invasion involves a military assault and capture of territory. Kinda like what we are doing in Iraq. DOH!
Park’d,
If you believe in armed insurrection to oppose invasion…doesn’t that mean you are in support of the people in iraq and afghanistan who
are fighting against a REAL military invasion. You can’t have it both ways Park’d. Trying to do so is called hypocrisy.
To ALL,
Which one qualifies more as an invasion and why?
A.Poor people looking to work for the scraps that fall off our tables and willing to accept a life where they don’t have citizenship and
all the indignities that come with that?
B.Military assault and occupation of a sovereign nation that was no threat to us whatsoever. Destruction of their military forces,
destruction of their infrastructure, destruction of their government, capturing and killing their leaders, destruction of their cities,
etc., etc..
Please have the moral courage to answer the question above
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As far as your other question BOTH are equal:
A) They are law breakers. They do not belong here and have entered the country ILLEGALLY. They have invaded.
B) You really don’t get out past the main stream media do you. I would suggest you read more before regurgitating all of the rhetoric of the liberals.
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As you can see, I do not take part of the post to fit my specific answer, I take the entire post so people will know what the context of my post is.
Why do social services have to scale up to meet the number of people here ILLEGALLY? This is OUR tax dollars being spent on services that are being provided to people who do not deserve them. Before you go there, They are human beings, but they are also criminals for invading this country ILLEGALLY. What part of ILLEGAL alien do you not get here Truth? Is it the ILLEGAL part?
Thank you, Medic, for being so complete, comprehensive, and articulate with your answers to posters like “Truth.” We have been invaded. To quibble otherwise is to reject reality. The only question is, do we lay back and try to enjoy it, or do we maintain our dignity and honor and try to repel it? Our response as a community, as a Commonwealth, and as a Nation will be our legacy to future generations.
Good article in today’s W/P re the GOP candidates trying to outdo each other on the illegal alien topic. I don’t trust any of them (with the possible exception of Thompson), after reviewing their records on the subject. See: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/01/AR2008010102333_Comments.html
# Advocator said on 31 Dec 2007 at 2:38 pm:
Female cops are always stopping me in my little sports car.
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# /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 31 Dec 2007 at 3:23 pm:
Probably because of your good looks Advocator (c;
DISCALIMER: I have never met nor do I know Advocator, therefore I do not know if he is a good looking person or not. Hence, he may not be and the female officers in question just want to make sure what they saw was real or, as equally important, what they thought they saw was real. Maybe they wanted verification of the old saying about men and their anatomy and red sports cars. One must be left to wonder at the possibilities.
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I am not sure if you saw that one or not Advocator (c; J/K with ya (c:
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Yes we have been invaded to say so otherwise is just being apologetic ILLEGAL alien supporter. There is a difference with the invasion of Iraq. While I feel we should be searching harder for bin Laden, we have to support the troops and the President even if we do not agree with the policy or the path. I am sure there are plenty of GOOD things coming out of Iraq, but they are ignored and pushed to the side by the main stream media. Heaven forbid the surge is actually working.
We need to continue the fight against the invasion of the USA. LEGAL immigrants are welcome here, ILLEGAL ones are not and to support enforcing current laws is not racist or bigoted.
Self deportation is already happening. It will continue as counties and states pass legislation to curb the appeal of cheap labor in big business. This will have a positive affect on us in that overcrowding of schools, lack of payment to hospitals for care provided and services being able to provide more for those here LEGALLY.
An article I read today stated that money transmittals to Mexico were down sharply. This is a good thing. Once the money runs out here they will leave. I have no problem cracking down on businesses that exploit the ILLEGAL aliens. They are using them as the new slave class. We have to be careful about saying this because next thing you know, we will have to pay reparations to them as well.
I am tired of people coming into the US telling us how to run our country. They pray on our PC and play it against us. People have had enough and they are fighting back. Reminds me of a Charlie Danial’s (sp) song,
We may fight amoungst ourselves,
but you outside people best leave us alone.
It is quickly coming to the day when self deportation is the rule of the day. This would be the best since it will allow the economy to cover for the loss of low wage earners.
The sports car isn’t red, Medic.
(c; See what happened when I assumed??
I saw a video over the weekend that showed school children reciting the pledge to the Mexican flag. These school children were in the US. Most in the video looked like they were of Latino descent. This is not right and should not be allowed in the classroom. Where is the encouragement to ASSIMILATE? I guess this is what really gets stuck in my crawl. ASSIMILATION is the key to success here in the US.
/\/\3|)iç 64
Looks like The Truth lacks one very important thing when discussing the illegal alien issue, the truth.
I think Lafayette’s pictures are worth a thousand words. One only has to look at the pictures to see we have a problem.
Medic, I like your posts.
I love picture time with Lafayette. She brings the issues to the forefront with photos as well as words. I do worry about her safety at times.
TY Patty for the vote of encouragement. Some here do not like them at all (c;
Advocator: I forgot to say your welcome to your earlier post.
I am not so sure that self-deportation is really happening. If you mean leaving PWC, then I agree. However, I don’t see any evidence in the media that illegals are leaving the country. If anyone has any links showing articles of this, please share.
I doubt true self-deporation from the US will ever happen, as long as there are places like Fairfax, Arlington VA, San Francisco, etc. The only hope is a comprehensive enforcement program from the Feds. That’s why I feel Romney is our only hope for the next election. From what I have read, he has made this a potential platform plank should he be nominated. The other viable candidates just seem to be paying lip service to this topic.
jfk said on 2 Jan 2008 at 2:21 pm:
If anyone has any links showing articles of this, please share.
Check the Arizona newspapers.
The Truth,
A) Where is your compassion for the American worker who used to be able to support a family on wages that have now been reduced to “table scraps” that people like you are so graciously willing to toss them?
B) You sound like a barking moonbat suffering from a full-blown case of Bush Derangement Syndrome a la Rosie O’Donnell and her confusion over who the terrorists are.
Vigilant1, sorry but I let my subscription lapse.
Given that AZ is a border state, self-deporations from the US may be happening. I just don’t see this happening in PWC or VA.
jfk, just the other day Lafayette and I had made the same observation in the Westgate area. The Global Foods and the laundromat in the same shopping center have decreased in people. The “commuter bike” lot has decreased from around 40 to 20-25 bikes in the last few months.
They are self deporting:
http://fairproxy.com/2007/12/22/illegal-immigrants-packing-up-and-leaving-arizona/
While the article says they are either going back to their countries or moving to other states, they are moving around trying to find a place to stay. It won’t be long before they will run out of places to stay.
This article even quotes and ILLEGAL alien:
http://www.kansas.com/news/nation_world/story/265038.html
That quote is one of my favorites.
“Better not to come,” Martinez said of anyone thinking about crossing into the U.S. illegally. “The situation is really bad.”
That message seems to be getting through. There are numerous signs of a slowdown in illegal immigration.
Martinez said anxiety also was running high among undocumented workers about stepped-up workplace raids, deportations and increasing demands by U.S. employers for proof that they were in the country legally.
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More proof they are self deporting:
http://www.abc15.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=5b597b82-815f-4f23-9fc0-96c52f18e2a1
I can go on all day if you need more jfk.
Jane D’oh!
EXACTLY!!!!! There are jobs that Americans will do when they get hungry enough. Decrease the welfare state and you will have a work force that can do these jobs the ILLEGAL aliens are doing. Part of the money saved can be used to subsidize the employers for getting them off of welfare. Imagine putting all of those people to work, subsidizing the employers and helping out the health care issue. Provide some subsidized funds for health care insurance for these people. It is a win win, we decrease the numbers on the gov’t dole AND help drive down the cost of health insurance since more people will be on it. Of course we have to regulate the insurance companies so they don’t get the huge profits form all of the new premiums being paid. Fix rate the insurance costs and the premiums. The remaining balance can help with funding the NCLB, money saved by not paying someone to sit at home drawing welfare and food stamps. Imagine the cycle of welfare being broken in the next generation.
We’ll have to watch the issue evolve in other areas. Guess I am pessimistic about the topic until I see federal policy change .
jfk said on 2 Jan 2008 at 3:06 pm:
Vigilant1, sorry but I let my subscription lapse.
Given that AZ is a border state, self-deporations from the US may be happening. I just don’t see this happening in PWC or VA.
Enforce e-verify and it will happen very fast. The new law re using e-verify went into effect today in Arizona. It is working! Google Arizona newspapers and see the results. It will happen here if someone gets enough guts to start enforcing the law and come down on those employers that hire illegals.
M64 & jfk,
Here’s a shot of the “commuter bike lot”, and this is the decreased version.
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2085279320102412507uYsubt
Also, I love this neon sign at Global too. Jewelry and Pawn.
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2215884150102412507RdpLtZ
Dolph,
This one is just for you!
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2999016710102412507sfMbIR
You can look at all of the other photos from any of the above links. Pictures don’t lie. Enjoy!
WHOO HOO!!! picture time!!!! I am not sure about the one for Dolph though. What is that about or is it a private joke?
Once e-verify kicks in all over, you will see less and less ILLEGAL aliens in the US in general. They will self deport, may not be at a rate we can realize it is happening, but it will come about soon enough.
That is a thin day at the “commuter bike” lot. That is the fewest number I have ever seen there.
There was a couple looking at the store front next to the cash checking place. It use to be a dry cleaners, but they had to close because no one could park in the lot since it was full all the time with laundromat customers. I happened to be waiting to get quarters when they walked by, I told them that this was a slow day. They had already decided not to get the property since the lot was full. They waited to get a parking spot at the other end of the lot just to look at the property.
M64,
It was a very thin day there indeed. I think that may have been taken late on a weekend. This picture really doesn’t show it all.
The picture for Dolph is her “dream car”.-lol
It lives a block away and there’s several houses on that street that quite interesting to say the least. There’s also one house with three vessels we call the “Santa Maria, Pinta, Nina”. At this particular property the newly built garage is looking much better than the brick rambler. The work would be put on hold for the fleet to go fishing. They are true specticals to say the least.
Lafayette,
I see. She does seem like one to walk on the wild side (c;
I would like to see the home port some time. Email the street so I can drive by and look. The screen door was closed over the holiday season. It may have been left open to allow the entrance of people carrying in their presents and such. I am monitoring it closely to be sure.
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/\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 2 Jan 2008 at 5:09 pm:
You’ve got mail, sir.
/\/\3|)iç 64 ,
I think it must be one of those hummers that live up the street from me. One of the twins, as it were.
Do drive by the Pinta, Nina, and Santa Maria. It is a walk on the wild side, for sure, especially if you have to drive past Yogi Bear. Just a different dimension of Westgate….grin.