Open Thread
By Greg L | 3 January 2008 | Uncategorized | 194 Comments
Have an opinion on Comcast’s service delivery? The Wizard of Oz? Where you get a good deal on shoes? For any of those burning topics in reader’s minds that won’t conveniently fit into one of the current threads, here’s the place. Have at it.
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Thanks Greg.
You should do this once a week. I saw somebody else make this request earlier today.
Ditto
Is the “good deal on shoes” a gender comment?
You know we woman, we just can’t stick to one topic due to all that multi-tasking we are capable of!!!!
Well, hands on hips……*MY* comment that got erased was a response to the 14th amendment remark right before mine. I made some reference to the person thinking it was fantasy island. ZAP.
I guess that leaves me no choice other than to follow the yellow brick road, since being serious was…frowned upon. sniff sniff.
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Are we going to target those NVTA members who voted for tax increases this election season? Bryan Polk is up for re-election this year and I think he needs to answer for what he’s voted for.
Well, we didn’t target our board members for their election - the six that voted for it on July 10th so it was obscured behind the immigration issue? Why start elsewhere?
Seems PWC’s stance on illegal immigration may be having an effect even in the city. Word from some teachers at a city elementary school is they have lost 18 students recently due to their parents being deported.
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That is good news Mando. The more we can either deport through ICE or self deport, the better. This just helps support my comment on another thread, the more enforcement of the laws, the more self deportation we will have.
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I have had Comcast Business internet access for over 7 years. I had real good service from them until recently. They have missed 4 appointments and the service has been fluctuating more recently. I had an issue with my modem, which caused the websites and email that I host, to fail. This cost me money because of LOS agreements. I am looking for another alternative for internet access.
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I had to make 4 trips to Comcast in a 24 hour period last week. This was the first time I really had a major problem with. I told them at the third visit I would NOT bring my hammer in with me, and they thanked me. I did tell them I would be calling Verizon, and I reminded them they were NOT the only game in town.
Lafayette,
Unfortunately for the bandwidth requirements I have, they are. The best I can get from Verizon is DSL. This is like putting a garden hose on a fire hydrant to put out a fire (c: I will be glad when Verizon has their FIOS service all over. It is in most of the new communities right now with more coming to older ones.
I may get rid of my comcast cable. I am paying way too much and all they keep adding are Spanish channels and Spanish movies. Why am I paying for this?
Layfayette,
I noticed more day laborers than usual at the 7-11 behind the Pizza Hut and across from the Raceway gas station on Sudley this morning. This was around 8AM, which is late for construction guys to get started isn’t it? There were about 25-30 of them.
I know the new housing market is slowing down, but I thought these folks were used on a regular basis. I guess the grass doesn’t grow much this time of the year either, huh?
Patriot, I am waiting for word on whether or not I can add a dish to my location. If I can, I will do so. I agree with the comment about the cost of Comcast cable. I have whittled it down as far as I can and it is still too high. I have a HDTV so I would like to keep the HD service.
Anytime I need any kind of work done, I grill the employers on how they verify that their employees are legal. If they cannot pass my interview, they do not get the job.
I have to question how all these Spanish speaking consumers are paying for such high prices. Afterall, a good majority are probably on foodstamps, wic, have mortgages/rent to pay for, send loads of money back to their countries of origin, have to pay for insurance, use cell phones (which aren’t cheap), drive nice SUVs, etc. How is this possible? Something is not adding up.
And before you liberals jump all over my last comment, these are classic investigation items that are looked at during a background check.
The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 4 Jan 2008 at 10:04 am:
How about all of those flat screen televisions taking up damn near the whole wall in a living room? I see these all the time when do “fly by’s” at night. That aren’t exactly cheap either.
They might not be able to buy all of those items if employers were held accountable, and E-Verify were being used.
He, he, your jealousy is showing!
You can afford all of those things, Patriot, when you do not pay taxes. Remember roughly 25% of our pay goes to pay taxes, which part goes to support people on the welfare dole.
I have no quarrel giving people assistance for a hump or bad times in their life. I have been there myself, but I used the assistance until I got back on my feet. I WORKED to get back on my feet. The problem I have is with those who use welfare as an only income and continue to have babies to get more.
I, like Lafayette, have stood behind people that didn’t speak very good English pull similar items from their cart. It upsets me that we have homeless on the streets, many veterans, that can’t get assistance, yet someone that breaks the law can get it. Am I the only one that has an issue with that?
Krusty,
No “green eyed monster” here. I have “baby blues”.
Medic, you are absolutely correct. See medic…you did the right thing…you used the system (that you paid into via your taxes) when you needed it. Then you got yourself back on track to get off of it. So you still probably never took out more than you paid into it. The people that I am referring to use their anchors to acquire benefits to use as a source of regular income. I think that checks and balances should be put into place on money transfers. Money transfers to foreign countries should be tracked and heavily taxed. I also think that background checks should be conducted on all people requesting wic, foodstamps, etc. to ensure that the parents are legal. Many of the illegal parents use their children to get the benefits. Like lafayette (I believe said in another thread)….what infant kid eats blocks of cheese and regular food items? Most of that food probably gets pooled into the bunkhouse pantry with all of the other foodstamp recipient’s items. Therefore, these people (in theory) don’t spend any money on food (except for maybe items that are not covered by wic/foodstamps).
WGW:
What are they usually watching?
Why is there still the assumption that not speaking english means you are illegal? No different than any other assumption that could be made say of those that recieve assistance. Not everyone that receives assistance is bad or taking advantage - I have always believed that you never know when you might need a leg up.
The homeless have been moved up a notch by the illegals….
Now the vets, that is just awful. What those folks have been dealt for their sacrifice is way beyond me. Lack of respect, I guess.
Patriot, there is no mystery as to how they are paying for
their SUVs, jumbo screen TVs, etc. When you have 5 or 6
families living in one residence, they pool their money, I’m
sure. If the pool runs out, then there’s always somebody who
needs robbing.
Gone Fishing - My son is going to college soon that might be a way to earn tuition money. That and we have large enouch back yard, I could get some temporary housing in… all in Montclair!!
Una voce:
There is no presumption that not speaking English means a person is illegal. I can converse quite well in a few languages, and do so quite often. No one (expcept John Light on this Blog) has ever questioned my citizenship (remarks about my heritage abound, and may be justified, but not about my citizenship). However, I would submit that speaking Spanish (solomente) in northern Virginia should be an indicator that the speaker is illegal, simply by statistical analysis. All stats I’ve seen (even from the la Raza rabble) indicate that at least 60% of Hispanics in northern VA are in this country illegally (without documentation, as you would prefer to euphemize). Consequently, failing to understand English, yet having a native fluency in Spanish (especially with a Mexican accent), would lead me to believe the speaker shouldn’t ought to be here. And I’m the epitome of the reasonable person.
Mr. Advocator: I think they have their laptops hooked up to the big screens and are watching BVBL.
Patriot,
I didn’t pull out more than was paid in by generations of my family. My grandparents didn’t use any assistance nor did my father and mother. I have to agree with the pooling of resources as far as food is concerned. I do not see a baby eating a block of cheese or drinking 2% milk at the age of 9 months.
Gone Fishing,
You are absolutely right, the pooling of 5 families in one house can make it extremely comfortable. One person provides the transportation for all while one cooks and cleans.
Advocator,
That is pretty much my litmus test on the issue as well and was performed when I asked to be excused in English. Once I bumped the woman with my cart and said excuse me, she looked at me with a glare, which I returned and moved past her. I went down the aisle just a bit to find what I was looking for and overheard another Spanish speaking person tell her about excuse me since that was the only English in the conversation, I figured the lady was getting a lesson about excuse me. (c:
WGW,
Always good to see a swoop in (c:
Loudoun Board Changes Course on Immigration
http://www.wtop.com/?nid=732&sid=1320565
Medic64, you are right, except for one thing….(”One provides
the transportation for all and one cooks and cleans”)
Frankly, I don’t think anyone bothers to clean.
Gone Fishing,
I was in hopes (c; I was glad to move out of the apartment I was in. A Hispanic couple moved into the apartment near mine. The door slammed at all hours of the night. The paint had been peeled off the walls and the front porch, which was was dirty where the kids played in the dirt and put it on the steps. The parents did not clean up after them. This would cause extra dirt to be tracked into the common area which lead to the washer and dryers. The apartment was overcrowded and noisy. Cigarette butts were flipped onto the sidewalk, just a mess.
es_la_ley,
This will only encourage sanctuary ares in Loudoun. The apologists will see when they have to start paying extra for those leaving PWC to go there to live.
Loudon, the county that wanted to stop growth and development (isn’t that right?). What are they thinking??? They deserve whatever comes their way then (unless they realize their mistake and take immediate corrective action). Any loudon county people want to comment?
I think the M-burgers are afraid they might have to wash their own toilets.
Advocator
I am aware you speak several languages. You tested me on two French and Latin!!. I cannot. My sister speaks five languages and is fluent in three. I consider additional languages a real talent.
My comment refers to being in line in a store where someone uses WIC stamps and speaks spanish. Then to say that the homeless and vets don’t get the same treatment as illegals gives me the impression that spanish speakers using WIC stamp are illegal. In formal logic that would be dedcutive reasoning. False maybe, but logical. Apologies if that was not the intent.
Also regarding WIC stamps the WIC stands for Women, Infants and Children. One could assume that the woman consumes the milks and cheese to maintain healthy breast milk for feeding.
Corr.. you tested me on ITALIAN and Latin, not French….
I find something fundamentally mean about depriving people of basic food. Don’t get me wrong, porterhouse steak and lobster tails, nah….but basic food in a land of plenty?
We spend a billion bux a week on a war that 2/3rd of the American people oppose. A little food is chicken feed compared to that bill.
As for the food stamps and WIC, there could have also been other children at home.
No one has yet to explain illegal apologist to me. Still waiting.
Dolph,
An ILLEGAL apologist is a person that is pro-amnesty, ILLEGALS getting service and does not support closing the borders.
While I agree we spend a great deal of money on the war, which is showing good progress, it is for a bigger picture. I do not agree with all of the things the President has done in handling it, but I support him in doing so.
My point was that veterans are denied these benefits because they do not have a permanent address. This aggravates me to no end. The first thing to be cut is the benefits for the veterans, why not take a pay cut Congress? I am a 60% service connected disabled veteran (SCDV), I am lucky enough to draw disability for the rest of my life. The SCDV’s with a lower amount have to hope their benefit is not cut each budget cycle. We need to start taking care of our veterans that put their lives on the line so we can type in this blog without worry of censorship and the freedom to type whatever we want.
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From another thread:
/\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 4 Jan 2008 at 9:49 am:
Howard,
It is WIC not WICK (Women, Infants and Children).
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I am aware of what it stands for.
I have issue with those here using their anchor babies to draw these benefits when they should not be here to begin with. The US is constantly being taken advantage of our generous nature and now that we are starting to see this and want to change, we are suddenly racist and xenophobic. If wanting the current immigration laws and the rule of law enforced makes me a xenophobe and a racist, then color me as such!!!
Dolph:
There’s plenty of nice fresh fruit and vegetables to be picked on the farms of Mexico, Guatamala, Honduras, and El Sal. Plenty of fish in the lakes and streams and coastlines. Deprive illegals of handouts here and they’ll self deport back to these lands of plenty. In all my years in Central and S. Amer, I never saw anyone on the verge of starvation or suffering from severe malnutrition as you see in Africa.
Illegal Immigration is not a function of survival. It’s a function of escaping oppressive, fascist regimes that do not provide a social framework for upward mobility. By allowing an open border, we’re providing an escape valve for the unemployed who would otherwise be prone to rioting, rebellion, and ridding their countries of their incompetent and corrupt regimes. By allowing open borders, we are assisting those regimes as much as we assisted despots like Battista and Somoza. Close the border, and we’d force them to clean up their acts and provide for their people. Better yet, close the border, and provide deportees an AK-47 and a thousand rounds of Chi-com ammo and a map to the presidential palace in Mexico City.
I just try not to assume things about people based on what services they use or have used or what language they speak. Spanish speaking people using WIC stamps are not always illegal. Assuming they are is racist without a doubt.
No, 1 voice. Using that characteristic as one factor in a determination that the person is more likely than not to be in this country without proper authorization is a perfectly reasonable use of deductive reasoning.
Advocator,
I agree with you on that. By letting them come in they can not be forced to rally and make changes. I wonder how long those regimes would last if they put as much effort into ousting them that I see on YouTube ® demonstration videos from CA.
Advocator, WOW!!! Sure glad you’re not in the diplomatic corps!
Advocator,
TY that is how I see it as well (c:
Advocator,
Please email me medic6464@hotmail.com
Advocator - absolutely, it is deductive reasoning. Logical yet false. Therefore a fallacy. Happens to the best of us. I like the Italian…… reminds me of happiers days spent in Italy trying to use the darn language!!
And I should correct myself and say that this would be predjudiced not racist.
“I find something fundamentally mean about depriving people of basic food. Don’t get me wrong, porterhouse steak and lobster tails, nah….but basic food in a land of plenty?”
You are right. People shouldn’t go hungry in this country, but abuse abounds:
About ten years ago, I was in Shoppers at bull Run Plaza. My wife and I had about $80 to spend on groceries, which needed to last us two weeks untill pay day. I had some ground beef, a couple dozen eggs, macaroni, some canned veggies (fresh was too expensive) and some food for our dog. Nothing extravagent We wouldn’t eat well, but we’d eat. I was behind a family, Mother, Father and 2 kids. By their dress, and their conversation, I figured they were a working class family. Dad was rail thin. The biggest bulge on his body was the pack of smokes in the chest pocket of his dirty t-shirt. Mom looked like she hadn’t missed a meal in ages. Kids looked healthy, albeit dirty. They had two shopping carts packed with groceries, a lot of it junk food.No big deal. Not my business.
As I stood there with my little basket, I watched them unload the two carts. The last item was a 50 lb bag of dog food. When they went to pay, the cashier told them that they couldn’t purchase pet food with food stamps. So they had a dog. No problem. Poor kids should have dogs too. Instead of taking the dog food back, or paying cash, both parents started cussing at the cashier. After more than a few nasty words, the father said “hold on”. While I waited, he took the food back, and came back with a stack of steaks, T-bones if I remember correctly. Worst thing is, this guy said proudly “if I can’t buy food for my dog with foodstamps, he’ll eat steak!”
So his dog at better than I did, and my tax dollars helped pay for it, and both Mom and Dad were proud of this.
Patriot,
Did you see where Colgan has introduced SB90? This will require employers to use E-Verify. A positive step forward. Hopefully it will go through.
There is a separate thread for SB90 -
Pride,
This supports my problem with the welfare dole 1,000,000%
Those that need the help can’t get it because you make $10.00 too much to qualify (which I did at one time), while those that do nothing more than take up space get to live like kings and queens. I would be disheartened as well if I saw the steaks hit the counter with the comment made. As I have posted before, I used that assistance and got off of it as soon as I could. I actually asked for one ½ less hours a week so I could qualify. I see it like this, if they can afford the smoking habit, they can afford the detergent it takes to keep the clothes clean. As a Paramedic, I have been in some really dirty houses. I just do not see how people can live like that.
How do you think this affected the children growing up in that mess? Do you think they learned anything from their parents about making your own living? Now, if this was a case similar to mine, then I have no issue, but if this case was one that had to have the food stamps every month because the parents didn’t get off of their lazy asses to get a job, then that is a different issue.
The problem as I see it, is that the welfare state doesn’t have enough manpower to make sure it is not abused. Those that do abuse the system do not get punished because they do not get caught.
This brings us back around to the gross misinterpretation of the 14th amendment and anchor babies. (c:
I just noticed a separate thread for Colgan. I wish this thing would auto refresh. Many topics added since I did that earlier today. LOL…
Where’s your pride?,
I guess I don’t see your point if it was something other than you were in line behind scum bags.
/\/\3|)iç 64 ,
The Veteran homeless issue is horrible and disgraceful. I am still trying to figure out how you disapprove of what the president is doing but support him. I will let you explain that one.
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In general, one does not have to be lock-step with someone else to not get called names. I want our borders secure but I don’t want to starve little children. Does that make me a half -apologist? I just think there is a more effective way to communicate than the stupid ass name calling I hear on here.
Dolph, I would say that feeding the poor particularly the children doesn’t make you a half of anything. It makes you one whole good. Simply that and verrra hard to challenge … and seemingly rare.
Dolph,
Because he is the commander in chief. To do differently is to hurt the troops. We needed to take care of Iraq and the threat it posed, but only after we got rid of bin Laden. We may even need to make strides to getting rid of the sanctuary for al Queda (sp) in Pakistan as well. Once these terrorist are taken care of, we can feel safe at home.
I would much rather fight the fight on someone else’s ground than here at home. Only problem is I feel a battle coming in the next 10 years unless we close off the borders.
I do not buy into the main stream media’s presentation of the war. I saw an article that showed the statistic for murders in Detroit. There were more murders than the total number of soldiers lost in Iraq during the same period of time. That was only one US city. The troops are doing good things and the surge is working. We should support them in what they do whether we support the way it is being done and the person directing it.
I took pride’s point to mean there are abuses to the system while veterans go hungry and homeless.
Who is wanting to starve little children?
So about those shoes that Dorothy wore in the Wizard of Oz…..
/\/\3|)iç 64,
I came of age during Vietnam. I no longer will trust my government to be truthful about the progress made in any war. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. For the record….I wasn’t a flower child.
I have no idea what to do about Iraq now. I guess my issue goes back to the beginning and the lies.
As for starving children….I don’t object to anchor babies having access to the WIC program. I don’t mind feeling anyone the basics. I do mind buying filet mignon and lobster tails for people.
One (high pitched) Voice,
Ruby slippers are the only way to fly in the Emerald City. Was there anything Sapphire or Diamond? Might as well get all those precious stones in the mix.
I hear you can get remakes of Ruby Slippers down at DSW in Gainesville.
Dolph
I’ve never been to that DSW. Where is it? Near anything specific?
One (high pitched) Voice
It is past everything in the mall area there in Gainesville. That area is growing so much I probably wouldn’t recognize it.
NIce huge store though.
Dolph,
I agree, they do not deserve filet or tails. As far as feeding the children, I have no issue with that either. It is the addition of the parents and the entire household of adults that I have issues with. I am not against providing the help and assistance to those who need it. I am against it being a way of life. Everyone has issues come up that causes them to come on to hard times. That is what the assistance is for, IMHO. That is the reason I feel the gov’t created welfare; to provide for the welfare of those in need. I do not think it was created to be the sole provider for decades and decades.
I have issue with the reasons we went into Iraq as well, but while we are there, I will support the commander in chief and the troops in any way I can. Being from the Vietnam era, you should feel bad how the troops were welcomed home. (DISCLAIMER: I am not saying you personally, but a you rhetorically) It wasn’t their fault, it was someone else’s. They just go and do what they are told without questioning. People that have not been in the military don’t seem to understand that.
Dolph, I will have to head out there soon. I think it must be near the Home Goods, that I love so much.
In other news, the Washington Post has reported that Ike Leggett (the enlightened one) has frozen hiring in Montgomery County. Who will run the illegal alien day care centers? (Gasp!)
oh no, here we go again:
OK’s HB1804 over the fire again
Dolph,
My point was that yes, indeed these people were scum bags, and I had to watch them proudly waste my tax dollars. These people were by all appearances citizens. Allowing parents WIC to feed their anchor babies, is just another example of abusing the system. If the parents are in this country illegally, but some of their children are citizens (but wouldn’t be if their parents hadn’t broke the law to be here) is a probelm. On the one hand, the children shouldn’t go hungry, yet on the other, their parents, if illegal, are grossly abusing the system.
The system was designed to help deserving people get back on their feet, and was meant to be temporary. No easy fix. However, the abuse of a percentage (large or small) makes the people who pay for this resentful. I know I was. Not that I wanted someone to give me food stamps. It was the fact that I was paying a fair amount in taxes (Clinton tax years), and having to eat macaroni and hamburger all the time while someone living on public assistance was eating very well (not to mention their dog) absolutely pissed me off.
Bottom line is, I don’t want to see children starving, but the welfare system in this country is broken and illegals are only making things worse.
Where’s your pride?
Darn right it’s broken! I have seen it time and time again through people that I know that use and abuse and have that same attitude of the people you used as an example. ( not my friends,just people that you come into contact with in life..urgg!!)
What about potatoes, veggies, rice, bread, fruit? That would be cheaper and feed many instead of cheese, milk ( well, okay about the milk) and cereal- high priced items.
Cheese is what the Reagan administration gave to the poor if you remember.
Do Stirrup and Stewart ever answer correspondence from their constituants?
Dolph, there is clear overuse/abuse of the wic/foodstamps system. The illegal aliens are coached on how to work the system. They place an undue burden on the taxpayers without paying much (if anything) into it. There are many articles that have been posted previously concerning the costs. We need to plug this gaping hole up or the system will completely fall apart over time. The welfare program is for legal residents (not for households harboring illegal aliens). The incentives must be cut off. I am sorry, but I don’t buy the argument that “they need to feed the poor children.” Funny, if they are so poor…why do they drive around in luxury SUVs? If they are so poor why are they buying cable tv? If they are so poor how on earth can BILLIONS of dollars be sent to just Mexico in one year be possible??????????? Seriously, your argument is totally ridiculous when you put all the other facts in place.
No one is asking you to agree that little children should be fed. You can think they should not if you want to.
\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 4 Jan 2008 at 3:54 pm:
That is the reason I feel the gov’t created welfare; to provide for the welfare of those in need. I do not think it was created to be the sole provider for decades and decades.
Unfortunately that is the case. A couple of years ago a story ran in one of the Boston newspapers about three (3) generations of one Puerto Rican family that has been on welfare since it started in the early 60’s. grandmother, mother and daughter all on the dole and never worked a day in their lives. There was a mass “migration” to Massachusetts from Puerto Rico when welfare came about. That State had the best benefits (and probably still does.)
Three generations, wow. That is a bad return on their families credit. Who covered their credit? Us, I guess.
One voice…you are RIDICULOUS too! So if you couldn’t make ends meet to feed your children…why are you rolling around in a luxury suv, sending hundreds of dollars per month to your country of origin, using cable tv, etc. etc.???? Would you not just cut back on these “luxury items” to feed your poor children or do you expect everyone else to pay????
“The poor children” is the classic company line of the liberals that have ZERO argument!
Real parents take care of their kids by hard work, not selfishly scamming off others.
Everyone is out of step but Patriot, eh?
YOU said you don’t buy the arguement that that “they need to feed the poor children”, not me.
I was just stating that you don’t have to agree that feeding poor children is a good thing if you don’t want to. I thought that’s what you wanted to hear; that it’s okay to think that.
So if I agree with you I am also ridiculous?
This is great stuff.
One voice, there is a difference in feeding poor children vice having children be used as pawns to get benefits for people (in addition to the children). Seriously, you haven’t done much research have you??? All your arguments are based on only emotionalism not facts.
Patriot,
The building complex a friend of mine works in has a Loudoun Co organization that gives food during the T’giving holiday and toys during Christmas. You should have seen some of the vehicles that parked out front for the “needy”. Now, some could have been there to pick up things for shut-ins, but some got out of vehicles that were newer than mine. Lexus SUV’s, Toyota SUV’s and conversion vans. There appeared to be abuse. There also appeared to be more Hispanics than others during the time I was there. Some did park cars that would make one wonder if the car would go any further. Those were the ones that obviously needed some help this holiday season.
One Voice said on 4 Jan 2008 at 5:24 pm:
No one is asking you to agree that little children should be fed. You can think they should not if you want to.
How do they feed their children in Mexico or the rest of central America (the ones who never left.) Why should we be feeding them here at taxpayers expense?
Medic, yes…I agree. However, I have seen more luxury cars containing 3-5 kids than rundown cars. The facts don’t add up.
Oh, okay. So we don’t feed children that are used as pawns.
Can’t you come up with a better way of disagreeing with someone than name calling or put down attempts. I would call that a disability. Maybe you could get some government funds or cheese at least. But speak english when you use them lest someone assume you are illegal.
Really, give it a try.
Patriot,
Would you email me please? medic6464@hotmail.com
Oh…one voice…nice dodging of my questions regarding giving luxury items up to make ends meet. Classic tactic of you liberals!
One voice…the only unintelligent person here (based on your arguments without facts to back them up) is you! You know darn well that you have no case based on facts…so what do you do (just like all the other liberals)…”oh its for the children”, “oh they are just hard working people”, “oh they are just doing jobs that Americans won’t do”, “oh they are just trying to make a better life for themselves”, etc. etc….PATHETIC!!!!
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Okay, if we agree that we should not feed children at taxpayers expense then isn’t the conclusion that we should not feed children unless they or someone can pay for it?
Using the phrase “at taxpayers expense” doesn’t mitigate hunger. It’s simply a non active solution to a problem. Wouldn’t you agree?
Let’s get back to the borders and the employers. That’s the meat of this whole issue. Not offereing up Washington Monuments (children) as examples.
This all started because some folks saw spanish speaking people buying cheese and milk with WIC funds. WIC is for Women, Infants and Children. No, a three month old cannot eat that food, but if one group can assume they are illegal, I would like the right to assume she is breast feeding and the food is for the W in the equation, the woman.
We are attacking the most vulnerable of the whole illegal issue. Let’s get back on track and deal with E-verify and border issues.
Can we agree?
Oh Patriot - stop using your outdoor voice.
Patriot,
A waste of bytes my friend. (c:
How about this? They are most likely illegal and should not be receiving WIC or ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Forget feeding the children and half the household - they shouldn’t be here - PERIOD!!!!!!!!!! Let alone receiving ANY assistance!
Some of you guys are assuming that any Hispanic who uses foodstamps is a chronic and life-long offender. Medic, you have admitted having to use some form of aid in the past. Why don’t you think some of the people in front of you in line will merely be temporary users as well? There is always some abuse of our tax dollars. Dolph and I are of the generation of Virginians who saw our tax dollars used to support state schools which banned us because of our sex…hardly fair.
Glittery girl shoes can be had at a small boutique across from the Starbucks in Gainesville as well as DWS. The prices are about the same as zappos.
Is this the thread where I can sing about “if I only had a brin” without it being deleted. LOL!
A-too,
He used his family credit. Think that doesn’t count. I’m gonna go ask for mine.
Sing away!!! Especially that one.
Can someone please watch this video and the point this guy is trying to make. I have questions…
He states that (whoever) is paying into federal and state taxes but not able to file a return, yet contributing …HOW does this process work?
How can they pay into and what credentials do they need? Is he talking about a guest worker visa, green card? I am lost…trying to figure out what point he is trying to make.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVnBvOgJzWI
/\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k post award) said on 4 Jan 2008 at 3:54 pm:
I do not disagree with anything you have said other than the commander in chief bit, which I think has to do with military vs non military.
As for the welcome home during Vietnam, it was a national disgrace and one I feel Americans have been trying to atone for since then. And I didn’t personalize your comments. I know my welcome home was quite good;)
Medic, speaking of national disgraces, I feel that the vets of WWII having to wait 60 years for a memorial is pretty shabby also.
one voice, you fail to realize that wic/foodstamps are a tangible incentive to come and stay here! If we want to resolve the problems here we must get rid of all incentives: benefits, work, etc.. I could argue that if we crack down on employees someone would not be able to earn pay to pay for food for their poor little old children…right? What then? So again, your argument makes no sense on its own. We must cut all incentives (benefits and work) off so that self-deportation occurs. Just imagine…with all the money these people have been sending home…they should have loads of cash to live off of back in their own countries! What a concept!
I think it is very frustrating that the government finally was reducing the welfare rolls in the U.S. and then to think of all the new people (illegal immigrants) who are now on the dole. It doesn’t work to have open borders AND a welfare state. The taxpayers are being abused and most DEEPLY resent it. If we don’t put a stop to it the problem will snowball. More and more and more illegals will come. Enough is enough!
cjc…you get the point! So does one voice…however, she chooses to ignore the facts though due to her emotionalism.
Well….
Since this is an open thread and there was talk of eating crow on the other one (which made me kind of hungry) does anyone have a good pot roast recipe that they would like to share?
patty, use chuck roast…cook low and slow.
Patriot -
I absolutely agree with that last post. The problem is they are here. Wishing they weren’t doesn’t solve it. I thought of that issue when this was going on that employers will face higher costs until things stabilize. That is why I support strategic/economic amnesty in agriculture and in particular regions of the US. Our local economy will not suffer from a withdrawal of illegals as would agriculture, South Florida and other places. These are issues that don’t impact us here in PWC but we are going to have to understand them in order to be helpful to anyone that can move this effort along.
Stopping them from coming will get to the root of the issue. Then we can send all the aid we want to care for those less fortunate than ourselves through missions, churches or whatever to the various countries of our choice. We all know people are starving everywhere in the world and I will admit I am not running around feeding folks. Well, I did buy a family a goat.
We agree, I think, that silly discussions that have no solutions, no one WANTS to starve children, are more divisive (darn spelling) than productive. We have their attention, we should be productive. It’s like the Colgan thread. Okay, great let’s make it happen, why not try? You can sit around and use adjectives or e-mail a few people.
I think weall agree on the core issues, but have many ideas on how to respond or solve.
Removing 12MILLION people, with more being born or coming every day since that vague number was released can’t happen unless the approach is multi-fold. I would address it like any other leak. Seal and mop. Borders, Employers and Schools. Those would get my vote.
Thanks for making the opportunity for this rational discussion. I think I am pretty smart.
Food Stamps and WIC are 2 seperate programs. WIC is about healthy children. Again, an investment in the future. Some folks are too short sighted to see the payoff in the long run.
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Patriot, I am just going to assume that you feel that everyone who doesn’t totally agree with you is ridiculous and pathetic. Do I have that right?
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Anon-too,
Darn right about that gender ban and we were supposed to accept it with a smile also. You know, I never quite understood the logic behind it either. I guess we just weren’t as smart as those boys.
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Patty said on 4 Jan 2008 at 6:18 pm:
“Well….
Since this is an open thread and there was talk of eating crow on the other one (which made me kind of hungry) does anyone have a good pot roast recipe that they would like to share?”
I swear by McCormicks pot roast seasoning….2 packets a touch of beef broth to start with your choice of veggies in a crock pot…SLOW and LOW (heat) top it of with a touch of sour cream…yummy!!!!!
Thank you Patriot and Redawn. I got a crock pot for Christmas. I will try it out. Thanks again!!!
Patty,
I have one if you email me. Very easy and very tender.
A pinch or two of tapioca helps to thicken the base and give a pleasant, but, minor flavor. Old New England trick….
dolph, the only ones so far that have disagreed with me on my main issues are apologists/liberals. As far as Wic is concerned, it is still an incentive dolph! Maybe they should spend less on their luxury suv, not have so many kids (if they know they cannot support them), get rid of their cable tv, etc. Dolph…in my world it is called responsibility and making ends meet by responsible actions. one voice…we don’t have to remove the 12-30 million or whatever the number is…they will self-deport once we eliminate the ROOT of the problem….the INCENTIVES (benefits, work, etc.).
Patriot - are we agreeing somewhat?
one voice…if you agree to “we don’t have to remove the 12-30 million or whatever the number is…they will self-deport once we eliminate the ROOT of the problem….the INCENTIVES (benefits, work, etc.).” The other prong of the solution is to actively track down and deport illegal aliens and their supporters. I support ICE raids as part of this solution. So if you agree to all of this, then yes, I would say we are in agreement on these issues.
Well, I have doubts about 100% self deportation of 12 or more million, but being a money person I like the idea although think it highly unrealistic. Eliminating the root needs to be strategicly and do not harm to our economy which has come to rely on such labor in some industries and regions.
I am not sure what you mean by supporters, it’s not very specific.
corr, eliminating the root needs to be STRATEGIC and do NO harm to our economy…
Patty,
I would say the key is low and slow. I am a huge fan of spices, especially fresh that I grow…so, I just wanted to highlight McCormick pot roast seasoning ( packet) is the awesome in a short cut 
Your welcome
one voice…self-deportation is not unrealistic at all. It is happening now! If our environment won’t allow someone to work, won’t allow someone to get benefits, won’t allow someone to get driver’s licenses, will confiscate property, etc…..those are good enough reasons to leave. How would you work? How would you eat? It would be a major struggle. All reasons to leave.
one voice…as far as the labor shortage argument…that is total nonsense based on the research I have seen and posted in the past. The only people benefiting from cheap labor are the businesses themselves (not the consumers!). I have witnessed this first hand. I have had companies give me quotes for work that would equate to more than $100 per hour per person when the business was clearly only going to pay their workers $10-20 per hour. Needless to say I turn those things down. So don’t get fooled by what the businesses say…if they want to stay in business legitimately they will have to pay just like all other businesses. The reason legal “Americans” don’t do these jobs is largely due to them living in a single family homes, not on welfare/foodstamps/wic with normal taxes and bills to pay…that $10-20 per hour wage just isn’t going to cut it. On the other hand, if you live in a bunkhouse, use foodstamps/wic, don’t pay income taxes, get free medical, etc. that wage is okay. It is all relative.
Some that are here illegally will do anything to stay here - guess they would show up as crimimals.
Okay, I see what you mean.
Hmm… I have seen reports from Chicago Futures regarding the economy and soft markets largely due to illegal labor. Two years ago when PWC/DC began their descent into Real Estate hell, South Florida and DC were the first two soft markets with up to 10 year declining projections. Different reasons though. I will look up some old magazine issues.
Also, my understanding of the California agricultural economy is that a good deal of it has been built and into second and third generations of illegal labor. They have an overflow in the urban areas which is sinking them, but the agricultural areas of the north are where that issue is.
Regarding the consumers benefiting, you are likely accurate as they would not consider passing on landscaping savings or pool work to the consumer. Perhaps in a small way, but if a business is willing to use illegal labor, they are not likely passing along a savings to the consumer.
I am not an economist; but will consider making this my winter project to read more about economic impacts from multiple sources.
When talking to a police officer recently and just touching on what is going on as far as the resolution here in PWC, he told me : “I know it sounds crazy, but being illegal is not illegal” He also stated that some of the people that he has pulled over for NOT having a license, etc. admitting to being illegal have showed up in court and in his mind this is not the behavior of a “criminal”….I understand what he was saying….it just goes to show how complex this whole issue has become.
OUR system in America is just SO BROKEN. Reward the rich…slap the middle class, in my opinion IS THE TRUE VICTIM…the poor, help out or OPEN THE DOOR TO ABUSERS
Redawn,
Very interesting!
Most of you know…biggest 2nd amendment case in a long time coming up this year
http://www.newsmax.com/us/gun_ban_attorney/2008/01/04/61898.html
One Voice said on 4 Jan 2008 at 5:42 pm:
999
Okay, if we agree that we should not feed children at taxpayers expense then isn’t the conclusion that we should not feed children unless they or someone can pay for it?
What I was trying to get across is the fact that if these people who are here illegally and have “anchor babies” are getting benefits to which they should not be entitled to. If they had children in their own countries would their governments provide the same assistance to them as we are doing for someone who broke the law getting into this country and are using their children as a “shield” to prevent deportation and again use them to feed themselves. Do you think the government of Mexico or San Salvador et al would provide the same services for an U.S. citizen who entered their country illegally and had a child there. I think you know the answer to that. When they are deported and take their children with them, they will find the means to survive.
999
No I don’t think an illegal in Mexico would get the same benefits as illegals here in the US. I agree they shouldn’t be here in the first place. I agree and uderstand everything you say.
My point was not what you say when you talk about it, my point was what do you do when faced with it.
When you are faced with a hungry child who’s parents brought them here illegally what do you do? Explain it or feed them?
We already agreed that this is a bad example because this is targeting the most vulnerable of the problem. In the meantime, we all agree that none of us would deprive children of food. Any more than we would want to see bleeding adults and children lying about hospital grounds being refused treatment. It’s one thing to talk about it; it’s a totally different thing when you are confronted with it as a health care professional, teacher or public safety personnel.
Deal with the borders and the employers and the problem will self-deport as Patriot said.
I am still not comfortable with single-dimensional answers for very complex problems. I would rather get called names by people who are meaningless to me than cave in to lock step thinking patterns that are purely speculative.
Dolph, the problem is not as “complex” as you all say it is. The people came here illegally. They should not be here. They should not work here. They should not get any benefits. Period. This is the problem statement. Simple and straightforward. The solution statement is as follows: Get rid of the root of the problem….all incentives (ability to work, ability to get benefits), crack down on businesses that hire illegal aliens and shut them down (this will send a message to all other businesses thinking of hiring illegal aliens), conduct ICE raids and deport illegals that are found. Another aspect is to start prosecuting legal residents who “aid and abet”. All of this is simple and easy to understand. Only those that try to make this an “emotional” issue say it is complex. It isn’t complex at all. There is a lot of “liberal fluff” which makes things look complex, but when you boil it down to the bare facts, it is really simple. This is just like a calculus problem….there is a lot of balogna hanging off of the core problem that makes it look really hard and complex, however, when you look closer you cut off the balogna and low and behold it is a straightforward problem and easy to solve with the formulas.
Reality check…people are already self-deporting in areas that are cracking down hard on illegal immigration. ICE raids are already being conducted and deporting people. An for those of you that subscribe to the “this breaks families apart”…that is pure nonsense. No one says that the children cannot go with the parents. In fact, deportations bring families back together in their homeland. The illegal parents and children can finally be reunited with their long lost families that they had abandoned to begin with…that is a good thing for them! Just look at Elian….that went back to Cuba. I haven’t heard anything bad about his life back in Cuba. He is probably doing just fine like anyone else that is illegal and gets deported (reunited) back to their homelands and long lost families. Now as far as agriculture business etc. is concerned, farmers will start having to up the wages and innovate. Technology is there…they just have to do it. I don’t feel sorry for any business that has relied on illegal labor. They chose that path now they have to deal with it. It is called….RESPONSIBILITY. Just like any other product, I have a choice in what I buy and how much I pay by shopping around. Competition cycles with drive the prices just like always. Therefore, I am not worried that my tomatoes will cost $10 (if they did, I will grow my own).
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/local/73238.php
“The department said it will “intervene, through its consulates, in any situation in which the rights of Mexican workers are affected, regardless of their immigration status.”
Oh…this is rich! We now need to ask permission from Mexico to pass and implement our own laws in our sovereign nation? Are you kidding me? We need to contact our Senators and Reps. to ask why this is allowable!!!!
Ha it’s only not emotional if you can continue to limit your exposure to talking about it and not being in a position to face it head on. And I don’t mean crummy neighbors.
One voice…we are facing it head on. Talking, researching, discussion, etc. has been already done. The facts have been revealed and now we must take action.
It is like saying to someone over and over that 1+1=2 and they keep saying no they do not think it is 2 they think it is 3. And we keep saying yes (in fact) it is 2….and they keep saying no its not because it doesn’t feel like 2 it feels like 3..and you might hurt the feelings of someone that thinks its 3. The facts have been spelled out, now it is time to move on with action.
Patriot - have you ever stood in an emergency room and triaged patients? Vomiting blood. No English. Wallet doesn’t provide OL or Insurance, no ID. Assumption is illegal. Should they be told to leave?
I am hearing that these real life situations are not real and only made up by liberals to fight the illegal lobby. Perhaps I am wrong about what I am hearing……… but I know what is happening at the hospital.
Well, then lets just implement these simple plans and fix everything. Yes, that’s the ticket. Nothing complex here at all.
dolph, yes….lets start implementing! It is about time you come to your senses! One voice, they should be treated and then screened by ICE before being allowed to leave.
Illegal aliens are causing ERs around the country to be shut down…don’t you know this OV? What about the legal taxpaying citizens that have emergencies and have the legal insurance, etc….what about them? Should they have to wait 10 hours to be seen because illegal aliens want to use our ERs for free medical? I don’t think so! Our insurance is through the roof in order to compensate for this let alone the quality of service totally sucks now.
Well, like that bill last summer that didn’t pass. Yes there were flaws in it but at least we wouldn’t have had to wait two years for the next step. I have spoken to verrrraaaa conservative friends (I am verraa not verrrraaa) who told me it was bad because it was not PERFECT. Now there’s a concept. Anyone can explain that to me would be helpful.
It would have beefed up the borders - along with creating an amnesty mess, granted, would that really be worse than what we have now??!!!
Besides, I still maintain we are going to have to implement some sort of economic anmesty program for some industries and regions. It does not impact PWC, but it does other areas and those running for president understand this.
This may be a simple problem caused by a simple breakdown, but no way is the solution going to be simple. I absolutely agree that self-deportation is going to happen, no doubt. Untangling the economic impacts will be slower. Dealing with the criminal element will be just as slow. Closing the borders will be just as slow as the simple solution to just shoot anyone that attempts to cross sounds good on BVBL, but won’t really play in the real world.
One voice, the businesses that are impacted (shut down) due to any crack down should not have a major impact on our overall economy. Studies have been posted before on this. There is no major untangling needed. Crackdowns are needed and they are need now as part of the overall solution. http://www.thefreelibrary.com/ER+overload:+a+survey+of+the+research+available+shows+that+uninsured…-a0155664504
Here is just one of many articles regarding the ER burden we face due to illegal immigration.
Oh…please show me your studies where our economy will shut down if crackdowns are performed. Thanks.
Patriot more rhetoric from you.
Have you ever triaged a patient vomited blood that doesn’t speak english? That is a yes or no answer.
Who cares one voice! What does that matter! They probably drank too much or at too much or whatever…!?! Someone has to be questioned whether it be the person during/after treatment or someone who brought them in. They also must be screened by ICE to verify who they are if they have no documentation. Your point is moot. Also, so that you can start educating yourself: http://www.city-journal.org/html/16_3_immigrants_economy.html
Have fun reading this. There are many other sources that say the same things! Seriously OV your last post only confirms the “emotionalism” argument!
OV…what about the legal taxpayer that comes in with the same problem but has to wait 10 hours to be seen….what about them?
OV…what about a legal taxpayer that has a real emergency that comes in, but the ER is tied up and slowed down because an illegal alien is being seen for a non-emergency situation but ties up resources because they cannot speak English…what about the legal person with the actual emergency???
Patriot - I never said “our economy would shut down”. I said it would have impacts on regions (S. Florida) and industries (agriculture). You are changing the arguement and putting words in my mouth.
I would refer you to various issues of The Economist, Chicago Futures newsletters. Unfortunately, they are not freely available to the masses via internet; there is no worthwile economic “wikipedia”.
A solution will require all types of minds and talents not only to develop but to actually implement. That’s where rhetoric meets reality. Hopefully, those given the responsibility will be considerate of various solutions and approaches to make sure they have found out all that they don’t know as opposed to assuming they know it all. As with a business, asking questions, obtaining opinions and feedback and changing course when necessary is the only way this will finally be resolved. As a business is obligated to please their investors and their consumers. government is obligated to realistically mangage citizen expectations.
Your approaches and recommendations are sound but not the total answer.
Patriot
I agree with all your hospital situatons of course - and perhaps understand the impacts more than you realize.
But what is a triage Dr to do when faced with a non-english speaking blood vomiting man with no OL, insurance or ID. Put him out on the curb and tell him the damages he is doing to our health care system and that he shouldn’t have been here in the first place?
Your comment was that these thing are “dreamed” up by liberals to support the illegal immigration apologist. These things are really happening.
That’s what I am addressing. Rhetoric meeting reality. That’s what makes the solutions hard to implement.
Guess we will agree to disagree on the reality of it.
Speaking of emotionalism, why a person is vomiting blood is irrelevant. If the RULE OF LAW (emulating outdoor voices) is followed, then medical attention cannot be denied. A few lawsuits would bring this issue home real fast.
Again, complex issues do not all have simple solutions. People must look at the money angle of the immigration issue. You will not like what you see when you finally accept that money talks and bs walks.
Love to stay and chat with you all, but my reality is that I am late for a pedicure appointment. Solve the worlds problems while I am indulging…..
Then I may go shoe shopping.
Oh, Dolph just read your post. You must have missed Doc’s points on little thing like that, we just change the “verbiage” and it’s a done deal!
One Voice,
There you go again, using those services provided by ‘foreign-borns.’ tsk tsk.
Yup, nice and cheap, too. And WE ALL LIKE A GOOD DEAL.
Bristow resident to appear on Dr. Phil Show
“Bristow resident Mona Shaw is taking her new-found fame to a whole other level.
The 75-year-old woman who was arrested for taking a hammer to equipment at the Manassas Comcast Cable Call Center was recently invited to appear on the hugely popular Dr. Phil Show on CBS.”
http://www.manassasjm.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=MJM%2FMGArticle%2FWPN_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173354087843&path=!news
One Voice said on 5 Jan 2008 at 10:58 am:
Love to stay and chat with you all, but my reality is that I am late for a pedicure appointment. Solve the worlds problems while I am indulging…..
Then I may go shoe shopping.
It’s too bad Leggett’s is gone.
Lafayette -
I know we could meet for lunch….. !!!
Remember just a couple of years ago the the advent of Y2K? All the doom and gloom people were saying the world was coming to and end, banks would fold, planes would fall out of the sky and other stupid statements. What happened? NOTHING. These same people are now saying that if we rid ourselves of the scourge (illegals) that the country will go down the tubes, and everyone will be out selling apples to survive. BS^^^….^^^
Now there’s an analogy to ponder…..
Or the flip side of all that falling out of the sky stuff….that we will all have latte colored grandchildren and be speaking Spanglish…..and the USA will vanish.
I am not in to doomsday theory myself. I am more of an Xfiles fan. Reruns are great but I know it is fiction.
Laf - or go read zoning rules and takes photos of tagging….. YOU need a pedicure. My treat.
One Voice,
Thanks.
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More taggings..New tagging at Stonewall Middle School. I met the police there. They too pictures and will turn it over to the Gang Unit. I will be in touch with the school’s principal and security guard first thing Monday morning. Loudoun and I were on a “field trip” we also found quite a few taggings along Coverstone Way, and on one apartment building, and there was a very beaten path with trash, a “shopping cart graveyard”.
Redawn please look all those carts. I you “love” almost as much as the OSD’s.
See for yourselves. Mr Medic we also caught some over your way.
http://community.webshots.com/album/561333843rNGkke?start=48
What do you think of the front of this house.
http://community.webshots.com/album/562022566OKxCPS
I hope the link works. The owners actually got a permit to do this. Property code enforcement said that had they realized he was going to do this, they would not have approved it, but it is within the code, so there is nothing they can do. I can’t imagine living next to this house or within eye shot of it. Who would ever buy near this home. I know I never would. Property values continue to fall….
WIC and food stamps are seperate programs. WIC is administered by the Health Dept., and food stamps are administered by local social service agencies. One may qualify for WIC at a higher income rate than required for food stamps. Same with PHAMIS vs Medicaid. I realize that many are concerned with illegals receiving WIC, food stamps or both. Unlike WIC, which has specific foods that can be purchased, food stamps can be used at such places such as 7-11. I watched the other day as a woman used her food stamp card for Doritos and a Slurpee. WIC on the other hand provides vouchers for cheese (store brand only), eggs, milk, cereal (non-sweetened), peanut butter, formula (2weeks worth), baby cereal (if child is an infant), juice (unsweetened), and vegetables and fruit. No meat, no pasta, no Slurpees. WIC can only be used at grocery stores. When one is on WIC, they must re-qualify monthly by bringing paystubs, and their minor children to the Health Dept. Children are weighed, a nutritionist speaks with the client etc. I know this because I was on WIC for a time after my child was born. WIC is a voucher program…you have vouchers that you can spend only on what is printed on the voucher. Food stamps are a money program…you have 400.00 to spend on whatever you desire as long as it is not alcohol, cigs, pet food or bottled water.
Are these considered commercial vehicles? I don’t see any writing, but are they? County code 32-300.02 limits one commercial vehicle for lots that are fewer than three acres.
I don’t think they are considered commercial vehicles. I sure wish they were. They might be though, because of the ladders. Anyone?
DMV Definition of Commercial Vehicle….
What is a Commercial Motor Vehicle?
A single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 26,001 pounds or more
A combination of vehicles with a gross combination weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 pounds or more if the vehicle(s) being towed has a GVWR of more than 10,000 pounds
Vehicles that carry 16 or more passengers, including the driver
Any size vehicle that transports hazardous materials and that requires federal placarding
Lafayette, I wish they would catch the people doing the tagging. That is just awful. Shopping cart parks, what’s next?
One Voice, I am not sure what the weight combination of the four vans are, but I don’t think it would be 26,000 pounds. I still don’t think that front yards should be allowed to be turned into parking lots. On Voice, thank your for posting the information. I appreciate it.
No problem. It occured to me to look at DMV as I pasted the county code. Hard to believe this is allowable.
I would send that photo to Mr. Jenkins for his review. After 25 years caring for Dale City, he might have some thoughts about this.
starryflights/OneVoice,
I don’t think the county’s definition of a commercial vehicle, is the same as what we “common folk” would consider. This should be changed.(IMHO).
starryflights,
That is just ashamed, plain and simple.
Will be back after the game. I don’t like what I’ve seen so far.
starryflights,
You’ve got mail. One Voice is right(again)get in touch with John Jenkins.