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	<title>Comments on: Another Crime In A &#8220;Gun Free Zone&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Good Time Charlie</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/11/another-crime-in-a-gun-free-zone/#comment-50048</link>
		<dc:creator>Good Time Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone who has NRA stickers on their vehicles...............I worked a number of burglary cases where the homes that were selected to break and enter were based on gang members seeing NRA membership stickers on vehicles, and following them home to find out which house they could target to get weapons.

It was a clever way to find guns. They would know the logical locations of weapons, and what time the homeowners came home from work. Please remove the stickers to avoid becoming a burglary victim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone who has NRA stickers on their vehicles&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;I worked a number of burglary cases where the homes that were selected to break and enter were based on gang members seeing NRA membership stickers on vehicles, and following them home to find out which house they could target to get weapons.</p>
<p>It was a clever way to find guns. They would know the logical locations of weapons, and what time the homeowners came home from work. Please remove the stickers to avoid becoming a burglary victim.</p>
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		<title>By: John Kerry</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/11/another-crime-in-a-gun-free-zone/#comment-49970</link>
		<dc:creator>John Kerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/11/another-crime-in-a-gun-free-zone/#comment-49970</guid>
		<description>Dear God!
Why won't those banks put up "no guns" signs in SPANISH??? 
This is a clear example of xenophobia.  After all, we cannot 
be "tolerant" unless we participate in our own destruction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear God!<br />
Why won&#8217;t those banks put up &#8220;no guns&#8221; signs in SPANISH???<br />
This is a clear example of xenophobia.  After all, we cannot<br />
be &#8220;tolerant&#8221; unless we participate in our own destruction.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/11/another-crime-in-a-gun-free-zone/#comment-49567</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/11/another-crime-in-a-gun-free-zone/#comment-49567</guid>
		<description>Well, with the economy as it is, we can expect more burglaries, robberies, home invasions as thieves go back to stealing the old stand-bys, high end electronics, various types of commercial paper, identity docs and gold (which was up to $900 per ounce last week).  Btw, my dad was a WW2 vet and a competitive rifleman.  We used to compete together.  My brother and I inherited his collection.  

Not to go off topic, but there is something to the "greatest generation" label.  Something we've really lost in America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, with the economy as it is, we can expect more burglaries, robberies, home invasions as thieves go back to stealing the old stand-bys, high end electronics, various types of commercial paper, identity docs and gold (which was up to $900 per ounce last week).  Btw, my dad was a WW2 vet and a competitive rifleman.  We used to compete together.  My brother and I inherited his collection.  </p>
<p>Not to go off topic, but there is something to the &#8220;greatest generation&#8221; label.  Something we&#8217;ve really lost in America.</p>
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		<title>By: ThinkAboutIt</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/11/another-crime-in-a-gun-free-zone/#comment-49544</link>
		<dc:creator>ThinkAboutIt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/11/another-crime-in-a-gun-free-zone/#comment-49544</guid>
		<description>*Sarcasm alert* (for those that are a little slow)

I wish we could just out law guns all together...then we could be more like DC.

Ummm, BTW...where does DC rank in the US as far as gun related homicides?


Ted Nugent summed it up the best. Out lawing guns in DC is like when a farmer has issues with coyotes sneaking into their barns and killing their cats....they simply declaw the cats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Sarcasm alert* (for those that are a little slow)</p>
<p>I wish we could just out law guns all together&#8230;then we could be more like DC.</p>
<p>Ummm, BTW&#8230;where does DC rank in the US as far as gun related homicides?</p>
<p>Ted Nugent summed it up the best. Out lawing guns in DC is like when a farmer has issues with coyotes sneaking into their barns and killing their cats&#8230;.they simply declaw the cats.</p>
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		<title>By: mnd</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/11/another-crime-in-a-gun-free-zone/#comment-49524</link>
		<dc:creator>mnd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/11/another-crime-in-a-gun-free-zone/#comment-49524</guid>
		<description>es_la_ley,

The CMP has a very limited number of M1 Garands available and a number of M1 Carbines.  Sadly 1903 Springfields and 1917s are gone.

http://www.odcmp.com/Services/Rifles/index.htm

Your Virginia Concealed Handgun Permit and a current membership in the VCDL are all you need to satisfy the training and club membership requirements.  (Military or ex-Military need neither.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>es_la_ley,</p>
<p>The CMP has a very limited number of M1 Garands available and a number of M1 Carbines.  Sadly 1903 Springfields and 1917s are gone.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.odcmp.com/Services/Rifles/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.odcmp.com/Services/Rifles/index.htm</a></p>
<p>Your Virginia Concealed Handgun Permit and a current membership in the VCDL are all you need to satisfy the training and club membership requirements.  (Military or ex-Military need neither.)</p>
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		<title>By: es_la_ley</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/11/another-crime-in-a-gun-free-zone/#comment-49498</link>
		<dc:creator>es_la_ley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/11/another-crime-in-a-gun-free-zone/#comment-49498</guid>
		<description>Anonymous: "Been on this planet for 82 years and only needed a gun WW2."

...and I'd love to have the gun you had in WW2. ;-)


Thanks for your service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous: &#8220;Been on this planet for 82 years and only needed a gun WW2.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;and I&#8217;d love to have the gun you had in WW2. <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks for your service.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/11/another-crime-in-a-gun-free-zone/#comment-49476</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MND-well put.</description>
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		<title>By: mnd</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/11/another-crime-in-a-gun-free-zone/#comment-49473</link>
		<dc:creator>mnd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/11/another-crime-in-a-gun-free-zone/#comment-49473</guid>
		<description>Anonymous,

Sadly, if we knew the day we'd need one I think we'd all decide to either stay home or bring friends (with rifles).

As I pointed out above it's a matter of insurance and risk mitigation.

Nobody desires to an opportunity to use their fire extinguisher, nor does having one available for use mean that you expect to need it.  (I've got 4 in the house and one in each car though because when I *need* one I'd better have one.)

The world we live in today is very different from the one you grew up in.  Liberal judges put criminals back out on the street with little or no punishment.  The state mental health system closed the mental asylums in the 60s and 70s resulting in a large number of dangerous folks left to their own devices.  We've repeated the mistakes of Prohibition in our handling of the "War on Drugs" which has given power to gangs.  Various misguided gun laws, originating in fears of the 1960s civil rights movement, and the 2 Kennedy assassinations have made gun ownership more onerous for the law abiding citizen, which only emboldens criminals.  And our immigration policies and weak defense of the border, not to mention the amnesties of 1968 and 1986, have encouraged unlawful entry into our country by opportunists and criminals from a culture with little respect for the rule of law.

Thankfully trends in the late 80s, fueled by better communication technology in the 90s, have brought about sweeping changes in most states that permit citizens to carry handguns for self defense.

I hope to be able to reach your age with my firearms being used against nothing more sinister than paper targets at the range.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous,</p>
<p>Sadly, if we knew the day we&#8217;d need one I think we&#8217;d all decide to either stay home or bring friends (with rifles).</p>
<p>As I pointed out above it&#8217;s a matter of insurance and risk mitigation.</p>
<p>Nobody desires to an opportunity to use their fire extinguisher, nor does having one available for use mean that you expect to need it.  (I&#8217;ve got 4 in the house and one in each car though because when I *need* one I&#8217;d better have one.)</p>
<p>The world we live in today is very different from the one you grew up in.  Liberal judges put criminals back out on the street with little or no punishment.  The state mental health system closed the mental asylums in the 60s and 70s resulting in a large number of dangerous folks left to their own devices.  We&#8217;ve repeated the mistakes of Prohibition in our handling of the &#8220;War on Drugs&#8221; which has given power to gangs.  Various misguided gun laws, originating in fears of the 1960s civil rights movement, and the 2 Kennedy assassinations have made gun ownership more onerous for the law abiding citizen, which only emboldens criminals.  And our immigration policies and weak defense of the border, not to mention the amnesties of 1968 and 1986, have encouraged unlawful entry into our country by opportunists and criminals from a culture with little respect for the rule of law.</p>
<p>Thankfully trends in the late 80s, fueled by better communication technology in the 90s, have brought about sweeping changes in most states that permit citizens to carry handguns for self defense.</p>
<p>I hope to be able to reach your age with my firearms being used against nothing more sinister than paper targets at the range.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/11/another-crime-in-a-gun-free-zone/#comment-49472</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/11/another-crime-in-a-gun-free-zone/#comment-49472</guid>
		<description>Thank you for your service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your service.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/11/another-crime-in-a-gun-free-zone/#comment-49455</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Been on this planet for 82 years and only needed a gun WW2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been on this planet for 82 years and only needed a gun WW2.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/11/another-crime-in-a-gun-free-zone/#comment-49427</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/11/another-crime-in-a-gun-free-zone/#comment-49427</guid>
		<description>I only disagree with one thing said here, that criminals tend to shy away from robberies or crime where another is armed.  If this were true then armored car holdups would not happen, and neither would bank robberies where an armed security officer is there.  If they want it badly enough, they will take the risk.  
That being said, I carry everywhere I go.  Those armed Security people you see at banks and in jewelry stores are ordered to get out of the way and call police in the event of a robbery, not interfere with it.  They are for show only.  I know this because I worked for several of the companies in the past, and I will not rely on one of them if my life is in danger.  The concealed carry classes do a decent job of preparing you for carrying, but IMO a person needs a good bit more experience than what you get from those classes.  Many of us are prior law enforcement or military and have that experience, but I would encourage the average citizen to learn the law and practice at the range often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only disagree with one thing said here, that criminals tend to shy away from robberies or crime where another is armed.  If this were true then armored car holdups would not happen, and neither would bank robberies where an armed security officer is there.  If they want it badly enough, they will take the risk.<br />
That being said, I carry everywhere I go.  Those armed Security people you see at banks and in jewelry stores are ordered to get out of the way and call police in the event of a robbery, not interfere with it.  They are for show only.  I know this because I worked for several of the companies in the past, and I will not rely on one of them if my life is in danger.  The concealed carry classes do a decent job of preparing you for carrying, but IMO a person needs a good bit more experience than what you get from those classes.  Many of us are prior law enforcement or military and have that experience, but I would encourage the average citizen to learn the law and practice at the range often.</p>
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		<title>By: es_la_ley</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/11/another-crime-in-a-gun-free-zone/#comment-49423</link>
		<dc:creator>es_la_ley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 02:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe Curmudgeon : &lt;i&gt;“An armed society,” the NRA tells us, “is a polite society.” But I’m not sure that politeness that arises out of fear that angering your fellow man might result in you getting a cap popped in your ass in necessarily the greatest sort of politeness.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, it's not from the NRA...

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."
           - Robert A. Heinlein</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Curmudgeon : <i>“An armed society,” the NRA tells us, “is a polite society.” But I’m not sure that politeness that arises out of fear that angering your fellow man might result in you getting a cap popped in your ass in necessarily the greatest sort of politeness.</i></p>
<p>Actually, it&#8217;s not from the NRA&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.&#8221;<br />
           - Robert A. Heinlein</p>
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		<title>By: mnd</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/11/another-crime-in-a-gun-free-zone/#comment-49407</link>
		<dc:creator>mnd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,

http://wc.arizona.edu/~wildcat/papers/89/104/03_1_m.html

"Don B. Kates Jr., at the St. Louis University School of Law, found that while police were successful in shooting or driving off criminals 68 percent of the time, private citizens did so 83 percent of the time. Moreover, 11 percent of the individuals involved in police shootings were later found to be innocents mistaken for criminals, while only 2 percent of those in civilian shootings were so misidentified. Private citizens in urban areas encounter and kill up to three times as many criminals as law enforcement personnel ("Gun Control and the Subway Class," Wall Street Journal, Jan. 10, 1985.) The reasons are simple: Private citizens who carry firearms are far more likely to know who the "good guys" and the "bad guys" are, since they have generally witnessed the situation from the beginning. Police, called to the scene well after trouble has started, don't have that advantage."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p><a href="http://wc.arizona.edu/~wildcat/papers/89/104/03_1_m.html" rel="nofollow">http://wc.arizona.edu/~wildcat/papers/89/104/03_1_m.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Don B. Kates Jr., at the St. Louis University School of Law, found that while police were successful in shooting or driving off criminals 68 percent of the time, private citizens did so 83 percent of the time. Moreover, 11 percent of the individuals involved in police shootings were later found to be innocents mistaken for criminals, while only 2 percent of those in civilian shootings were so misidentified. Private citizens in urban areas encounter and kill up to three times as many criminals as law enforcement personnel (&#8221;Gun Control and the Subway Class,&#8221; Wall Street Journal, Jan. 10, 1985.) The reasons are simple: Private citizens who carry firearms are far more likely to know who the &#8220;good guys&#8221; and the &#8220;bad guys&#8221; are, since they have generally witnessed the situation from the beginning. Police, called to the scene well after trouble has started, don&#8217;t have that advantage.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/11/another-crime-in-a-gun-free-zone/#comment-49405</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may not be the greatest form of politeness, but I'll take it. Let's face it, the "Golden Rule" is gone. People will treat you how they want to unless you tell them how you expect to be treated. There is no stigma against carrying guns, as shown by 39 states, unless you are a liberal. How would you know how many people are carrying CONCEALED weapons? You don't have to be armed in Canada or England, denounce your citizenship after you settle in, please. Seriously, take responsibility for you and your loved one's safety. Doesn't have to involve a firearm, but "Don't bring a knife to a gun fight." It's all about personal responsibility in all aspects of your life. There are certain situations where you have to decide to act or suffer the consequences. I hope that you act, for you and your family's sake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may not be the greatest form of politeness, but I&#8217;ll take it. Let&#8217;s face it, the &#8220;Golden Rule&#8221; is gone. People will treat you how they want to unless you tell them how you expect to be treated. There is no stigma against carrying guns, as shown by 39 states, unless you are a liberal. How would you know how many people are carrying CONCEALED weapons? You don&#8217;t have to be armed in Canada or England, denounce your citizenship after you settle in, please. Seriously, take responsibility for you and your loved one&#8217;s safety. Doesn&#8217;t have to involve a firearm, but &#8220;Don&#8217;t bring a knife to a gun fight.&#8221; It&#8217;s all about personal responsibility in all aspects of your life. There are certain situations where you have to decide to act or suffer the consequences. I hope that you act, for you and your family&#8217;s sake.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/11/another-crime-in-a-gun-free-zone/#comment-49399</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mnd: Do you have a source for this statement: "The fact is that the % of shootings where a “bad shoot” takes place is lower for private citizens than it is for the police."? I couldn't find it quoted in the article. I would love to see a source for this--one that gives actual numbers (and not just the percent, to ensure that the private citizens number doesn't suffer from "small-n statistics")--and describes exactly what they consider a "bad shoot." I'd be willing to change my opinion if the statistics bear out.

The number of concealed carry states doesn't sway me much. Currently, there's a stigma against carrying guns, so there's not gobs of people doing it. I don't have a fundamental problem with the current situation of concealed carry laws that are exercised by rather a small number of folks. What I do have a problem with would be if a large proportion of my fellow citizens suddenly started packing. I would not want to live in such a country. Living someplace where you don't HAVE to be armed, seems to me to be a good thing. "An armed society," the NRA tells us, "is a polite society." But I'm not sure that politeness that arises out of fear that angering your fellow man might result in you getting a cap popped in your ass in necessarily the greatest sort of politeness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mnd: Do you have a source for this statement: &#8220;The fact is that the % of shootings where a “bad shoot” takes place is lower for private citizens than it is for the police.&#8221;? I couldn&#8217;t find it quoted in the article. I would love to see a source for this&#8211;one that gives actual numbers (and not just the percent, to ensure that the private citizens number doesn&#8217;t suffer from &#8220;small-n statistics&#8221;)&#8211;and describes exactly what they consider a &#8220;bad shoot.&#8221; I&#8217;d be willing to change my opinion if the statistics bear out.</p>
<p>The number of concealed carry states doesn&#8217;t sway me much. Currently, there&#8217;s a stigma against carrying guns, so there&#8217;s not gobs of people doing it. I don&#8217;t have a fundamental problem with the current situation of concealed carry laws that are exercised by rather a small number of folks. What I do have a problem with would be if a large proportion of my fellow citizens suddenly started packing. I would not want to live in such a country. Living someplace where you don&#8217;t HAVE to be armed, seems to me to be a good thing. &#8220;An armed society,&#8221; the NRA tells us, &#8220;is a polite society.&#8221; But I&#8217;m not sure that politeness that arises out of fear that angering your fellow man might result in you getting a cap popped in your ass in necessarily the greatest sort of politeness.</p>
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		<title>By: One Voice</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/11/another-crime-in-a-gun-free-zone/#comment-49394</link>
		<dc:creator>One Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The driver analogy was a good one!  No, the majority of gun owners are not joe-six packs or neanderthals, but unfortunately those are the one who likely think they can handle just about any situation.  Reference the Darwin awards....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The driver analogy was a good one!  No, the majority of gun owners are not joe-six packs or neanderthals, but unfortunately those are the one who likely think they can handle just about any situation.  Reference the Darwin awards&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/11/another-crime-in-a-gun-free-zone/#comment-49385</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe C-Minus the "Mouth breathers"  and "Joe Six Pack" comments, a good analogy. I'd still rather have a gun than not. Believe it or not, not all gun owners are neanderthals, just as all people who fear inanimate objects are not complete idiots, the operative word being "complete". That being said, the point is that criminals fear to go where  there are guns and people who will fight back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe C-Minus the &#8220;Mouth breathers&#8221;  and &#8220;Joe Six Pack&#8221; comments, a good analogy. I&#8217;d still rather have a gun than not. Believe it or not, not all gun owners are neanderthals, just as all people who fear inanimate objects are not complete idiots, the operative word being &#8220;complete&#8221;. That being said, the point is that criminals fear to go where  there are guns and people who will fight back.</p>
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		<title>By: mnd</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/11/another-crime-in-a-gun-free-zone/#comment-49384</link>
		<dc:creator>mnd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/11/another-crime-in-a-gun-free-zone/#comment-49384</guid>
		<description>Joe Curmudgeon,

I hesitate to post a story from the New York times, but here it is:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/09/weekinreview/09baker.html?_r=2&#38;oref=slogin&#38;oref=slogin

The fact is that the % of shootings where a "bad shoot" takes place is lower for private citizens than it is for the police.

Likely the reason is that the police arrive at the scene after the fact and must make quick decisions regarding who is the "bad guy".  Armed citizens face fewer quandaries as most of the situations they respond to are based on the fear for their life in a situation where the attacker is easy to identify.

An armed citizen has every incentive to engage in training and to obtain an understanding of the law as it pertains to use of deadly force as the cost of failure is quite high and they lack the immunity granted to agents of the state, who will likely face nothing more than disciplinary action in the event of a wrong decision made in good faith.

In short, you're making a "blood in the streets" argument that has been disproven 39 times (at least, that number being the number of "shall issue" states.)

See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry

Pay attention to the time lapse image showing the adoption of "shall issue" by the various states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Curmudgeon,</p>
<p>I hesitate to post a story from the New York times, but here it is:<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/09/weekinreview/09baker.html?_r=2&amp;oref=slogin&amp;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/09/weekinreview/09baker.html?_r=2&amp;oref=slogin&amp;oref=slogin</a></p>
<p>The fact is that the % of shootings where a &#8220;bad shoot&#8221; takes place is lower for private citizens than it is for the police.</p>
<p>Likely the reason is that the police arrive at the scene after the fact and must make quick decisions regarding who is the &#8220;bad guy&#8221;.  Armed citizens face fewer quandaries as most of the situations they respond to are based on the fear for their life in a situation where the attacker is easy to identify.</p>
<p>An armed citizen has every incentive to engage in training and to obtain an understanding of the law as it pertains to use of deadly force as the cost of failure is quite high and they lack the immunity granted to agents of the state, who will likely face nothing more than disciplinary action in the event of a wrong decision made in good faith.</p>
<p>In short, you&#8217;re making a &#8220;blood in the streets&#8221; argument that has been disproven 39 times (at least, that number being the number of &#8220;shall issue&#8221; states.)</p>
<p>See here: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry</a></p>
<p>Pay attention to the time lapse image showing the adoption of &#8220;shall issue&#8221; by the various states.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/11/another-crime-in-a-gun-free-zone/#comment-49355</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/11/another-crime-in-a-gun-free-zone/#comment-49355</guid>
		<description>We give police a lot of training--months and months worth--to teach them how to handle a weapon properly in stressful situations. I don't really trust Joe Sixpack to make those same choices. Really, the last thing I need is to be in the bank, have some bonehead start to rob it, and then have a bunch of mouth-breathers all whip out their guns and start banging away, pretending to be Dirty Harry.

I can't trust my fellow citizens to drive properly, why on earth would I trust them with guns? 

You may all now return to your well-regulated militias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We give police a lot of training&#8211;months and months worth&#8211;to teach them how to handle a weapon properly in stressful situations. I don&#8217;t really trust Joe Sixpack to make those same choices. Really, the last thing I need is to be in the bank, have some bonehead start to rob it, and then have a bunch of mouth-breathers all whip out their guns and start banging away, pretending to be Dirty Harry.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t trust my fellow citizens to drive properly, why on earth would I trust them with guns? </p>
<p>You may all now return to your well-regulated militias.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm...Gracias for the heads-up. I will speak with the local Wachovia branch manager and get the low down. Do all Wachovia branches have the sign? I carry concealed (job requirement). Never see a uniformed officer in a bank, we're trained to use the drive thru. Excellent point by Greg, though. Besides lack of common sense, I don't see how these signs would attract liberal customers. Perhaps they don't want armed customers taking action during robberies? I worked as an unarmed security guard for First Virginia Bank in Falls Church back in the '80's. We didn't go into the branch unless asked to, which was never. Our employees were trained to comply with demands and be good witnesses. I would love to see our liberal contributors hang those signs on their front doors. A conservative is, indeed, a liberal who's been robbed. Lots of unemployed illegals looking for an easy score!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;Gracias for the heads-up. I will speak with the local Wachovia branch manager and get the low down. Do all Wachovia branches have the sign? I carry concealed (job requirement). Never see a uniformed officer in a bank, we&#8217;re trained to use the drive thru. Excellent point by Greg, though. Besides lack of common sense, I don&#8217;t see how these signs would attract liberal customers. Perhaps they don&#8217;t want armed customers taking action during robberies? I worked as an unarmed security guard for First Virginia Bank in Falls Church back in the &#8217;80&#8217;s. We didn&#8217;t go into the branch unless asked to, which was never. Our employees were trained to comply with demands and be good witnesses. I would love to see our liberal contributors hang those signs on their front doors. A conservative is, indeed, a liberal who&#8217;s been robbed. Lots of unemployed illegals looking for an easy score!</p>
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