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By Greg L | 21 January 2008 | Uncategorized | 289 Comments
With a trip down to Richmond tomorrow with a busload or two of friends, tons of coding to work on for the website management system I’m developing, and the distraction of some pretty incredible playoff games, BVBL readers end up on the short stick today and will have to settle for discussing among themselves what today’s important topics are.
I should have something to write about after I get back from Richmond.
Meanwhile, be excellent to each other, and party on, dude!
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FOXBORO, Mass. — I don’t believe there has been a Super Bowl rematch when the teams met in the final week of the regular season, as is the case with the Patriots-Giants. But why not? New York and New England played a great game just 22 days ago, and we could do a heck of a lot worse than get a repeat of that performance by both teams.
That game marked the only time in NFL history that a team’s Super Bowl run was launched by a loss. The Giants came out of that moral victory of a defeat to the Patriots a better, more confident team than it went in. How strange is that?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/don_banks/01/20/championship.snaps/index.html?bcnn=yes
Should be a great Super Bowl!
some of the best football I’ve seen in a while. Sad to see the chargers could not take it all the way but oh well. Brady played pretty cruddy I thought, but it was 20 some degrees out there. Even with substandard play they beat the chargers which says something. Look forward to them taking the bowl
Take a look at what’s going on in VA Beach.
Vendors will be required to certify they are following federal immigration laws, and city officials will audit any company they think is breaking the law.
We need this kind of proactive approach here in PWC. I’ve heard it said that the state itself employees a vast majority of illegals in Virginia.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20080121/METRO/217964924
The Potomac News Editorial board is really taking the cake these days. Where do they get these people? Are they for real or is their articles a total joke?
http://potomacnews.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WPN%2FMGArticle%2FWPN_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173354268691&path=!news!opinion
http://www.indianmuslims.info/news/2008/jan/19/france_clamps_down_illegal_immigrants.html
“It’s impossible to deport 12 million illegal aliens!”
Don’t you believe it for one second!
Yep, vast majority will leave on their own if you take away jobs, welfare benefits and enfore the law.
Look at Oklahoma - most just leave.
Liberals dont like that argument because they secretly like the cheap labor just like some “republicans” (cough GW Bush) do.
Alexandrian,
I like the way you think. I think both sides like the cheap labor, and don’t seem to give a sh!t about what it does to the American people(legal).
The illegals will self deport if there’s no opportunity for them to make a buck. We need to rid the 7-11’s of the day laborers while we’re at it. Have you seen some of the pictures from the 7-11’s?
josh,
You KNOW the paper as a whole is a JOKE. Did you see this one. It looks like we missed the big celebration including John Steinback and Sharon Pandak. Darn..
http://www.manassasjm.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=MJM/MGArticle/WPN_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173354293079&path=
Lafayette said on 21 Jan 2008 at 8:51 am:
Take a look at what’s going on in VA Beach.
Paper said this am that the portion of the county resulolution about witholding benefits to illegals will not take affect until July of this year. Nothing said about the police portion. Has Charlie once again “opted out?”
Lafayette said on 21 Jan 2008 at 9:20 am:
It looks like we missed the big celebration including John Steinback and Sharon Pandak. Darn.
My “invitation” must have got lost in the mail. Sob, sob!
yeah,
the whole paper is pretty idiotic…It’s pretty much the only local rag though, unless you count the oldbridge observer which i get occasionally in the mail. I cant believe they gave an award to pandak and steinbach..they dont do anything for the community at large unless it’s for the illegals. I always thought public service meant service to everyone, not just immigrants. I dont count illegals in this statement as they are not part of “the public” in my view but common criminals.
We can deport the whole 30 million of illegals, if need be.
Vigilant1,
I think he needs to opt for RETIREMENT. If we really want to see change we must start at the top. I believe in the “trickle down theory”. If he’s not into the 287g, etc then his officers won’t be on board either. I also, believe bad habits are contagous.
We must not have had our “regular” mail man the day the “invites” where to be delivered. Heck, mine probably land over on Loudoun. I sure get enough mail for them. I think we might share the same mailman.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,323116,00.html
As a former Marine, I find this slimey creature to be a smear on all of the fine men and women of the Corps. Did his cultural upbringing overpower his desire to be a good Marine?
From Arizona..Border Patrol agent killed by vehicle.
ARIZONA
Border agent killed by suspect’s vehicle
PHOENIX — A Border Patrol agent killed by a vehicle that he was trying to stop near the border was identified yesterday as a 32-year-old father of two.
Senior Patrol Agent Luis Aguilar was struck on Interstate 8 in the Imperial Sand Dunes Recreation Area about 20 miles west of Yuma on Saturday, said Agent Michael Bernacke, a spokesman for the agency’s Yuma sector.
Mr. Bernacke said Mr. Aguilar was trying to place spike strips in the path of two vehicles thought to have illegally entered the country from Mexico when one of the vehicles hit him.
Both vehicles drove back across the border into Mexico.
The area is popular with off-road vehicle enthusiasts but also is frequently used by smugglers carrying people or drugs.
Mr. Aguilar lived in Yuma with his wife and children.
The FBI is leading the investigation.
http://www.borderfirereport.net/john-w.-lillpop/invading-mexicans-run-over-kill-bp-agent-where-are-the-marines.html
They DO have a good bit of oil down there…
Johnson,
First off thank you for your service. This case is bugging the you know what out of me.
If he is in Mexico..
1) We can’t send a bounty hunter after him, because they are illegal in Mexico. (Dwayne “DOG” Chapman prime example, and there was another from the early 90’s that got a fair amount of publicity)
2) The Mexican government will not release him to US if he is facing death penalty or life in prison.
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I’ve said many times before there are “bad apples” in every race, religion, color, group, etc. I mean no disrespect here, but yes there are even “bad apples” in THE FEW THE PROUD. Bad Apples exist in every group. There’s just no escaping that fact.
Yes, they do have a good bit of oil, and the next leading form of money is the US dollar sent back there. I found a Western Union receipt on the sidewalk in front of my house to Mexico City for $2,300. I would think that’s the kind of receipt one would be taking better care of. That’s a nice chunk of change in my book.
Did you see the PN/MJM front page headline article on Sunday? They find one obscure economist making a presentation out of town saying that we need immigration to save Social Security and give the story banner treatment. This view is contrary to that of most economists who have studied Social Security and immigration objectively. Even the Social Security Administration under the leadership of El Presidente Bush doesn’t make such claims (look at the research on www.ssa.gov). At best, a dramatic increase in immigration (legal and/or illegal) boosts net Social Security revenue a little in the short term (while at the same time dramatically escalating other costs such as education, etc.). Longer-term, all of these immigrants are part of the Social Security system and will be eligible for benefits competing with us and draining the paychecks of our children and grandchildren.
Lafayette-weren’t they just “migrating to make a better life for their families”? Tragedies like this prove this:
1. The fence works. The drug/illegal alien smugglers are getting desperate.
2. Those animals will kill to accomplish their criminal goals.
3. We need to take the gloves off.
Lafayette-You are quite welcome. It was and continues to be an honor to serve our country. Yes, I agree with the “bad apples” statement. We would love to have Cpl. Scumbag back and no, we PROMISE we won’t give him a reletively painless execution, much unlike the one he gave his fellow Marine after raping her. Cutting someone’s throat is not easy, especially if they know how to fight back. There is a special place in hell for guys like him. I would be glad to help him reach it.
Johnson,
Right, “making a better life for their families”.(sarcasm).
We’ve sure used the National Guard to combat the war on terror. I say it’s time to put them to work on building a fence.
I’m very aware of the fact I was blessed enough to have been born in this country. I understand suffering is global, and therefore we welcome legal immigrants from around the globe. However, when we have so may sneaking across our pourous borders it brings way more people to our country than we can handle. There’s a reason why there’s a limit to the number of illegal immigrants.
I’m sure you’ve seen this video, but for those of you that may have not yet seen it. It’s time to put up the Immigration Gumball video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WJeqxuOfQ
corr: There’s a reason why there’s a limit to the number of LEGAL immigrants.
Shame on me. It looks like there’s NO LIMIT on the number of ILLEGALS in our great nation. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
Concerned-this is an issue that I hope will be addressed down the road. Illegally gained benefits should not be paid to illegal aliens. In fact, we should be seizing their assets as a part of the deportation process. Houses, bank accounts, vehicles, the works. We can pay for the roundup, deportation, etc., and give what’s left to local hospitals that delivered the babies and doctored the injured construction workers. I bet they’d be able to document those costs for reimbursement purposes, huh?
Johnson - I would hope it will be addressed but am not optimistic. Both El Presidente Bush and John McAmnesty wanted to include Social Security benefits in their “Path to Citizenship,” i.e. amnesty package. The driving force is the corporate interest in cheap labor. The corporate big-shots get what they want, live in gated communities away from the mess they are (knowingly) making, and send us the bill for public services for the immigrants (illegal and otherwise), and Social Security and Medicare for them.
I’ve been a Republican my whole life and have never felt as dismayed about our choices as I am in this election. I have still not decided for whom I’ll vote in the primary. Seriously, if someone like Lou Dobbs had a credible chance of winning as an independent I’d give my vote to someone other than a Republican for the first time ever this year. As it is, I’ll probably hold my nose and vote for the Republican because even a John McAmnesty presidency would be better than living in the People’s Socialist Republic of Clinton.
I stopped donating to the RNC this year. My wife was disappointed not getting the White House Christmas card but agreed and supported the move. I’ll support local candidates who represent my interests but don’t intend to resume sending money to the RNC or contributing to any of the corporate shills running for the Republican nomination unless some things change dramatically.
I’ve studied the Social Security and Medicare issues a great deal. Most people are just hiding their heads underground at this point because we have another 10 or 15 years before the worst hits. After that, even illegals aside, we’re in for some rough times. No prominent Republican or Democrat is facing this issue and proposing credible solutions.
Johnson–You’re right! I am so eager to get them out of here I didn’t even think of seizing their assets. It’ll never happen–non citizens are handled with kid gloves.
Checking in as part of the glass is half full crowd……4 fine ladies were honored by the Human Rights Commission for promoting the smooth transition of desegregating the county in 1964. I know 2 of these ladies personally and have the greatest respect for them. Mrs. Brown taught my own son. She was an extraordinary educator.
Let’s not let political beliefs stand in the way of recognizing those who have done so much for our county.
Lafayette said on 21 Jan 2008 at 9:40 am:
Vigilant1,
I think he needs to opt for RETIREMENT.
AGREED. As the old adage goes” LEAD, FOLLOW OR GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY!. He should get out of the way!
Johnson said on 21 Jan 2008 at 9:43 am:
Did his cultural upbringing overpower his desire to be a good Marine?
It’s in the genes. Show how ‘MACHO” you think you are. Anything in a skirt is fair game and on occasion anything in pants is also.
Anon-I suppose. I was taught to protect those that couldn’t protect themselves. As far as female attention, I’ve always had to beg, just like everyone else.
johnson,
I agree, gives all service members a bad name. Not sure about this guy’s upbringing but I wouldnt doubt that a few good marines make their own trip to mexico to escort the young corporal across the border..could happen, you never know.
regardless, this guy is a piece of trash. I’m not sure how he slipped in the corps.
I know mexico has the no extradition treaty for death penalty cases, but what I’m not sure about is if it applies to military members. This guy still is active duty and a member of the armed forces thus the UCMJ would apply first before it got released to the civilian authorities although in many cases the services choose to release them to the civilians for jail time, etc..looks like a complicated case however this guy did visit an attorney (with his scumbag wife) before taking it on the road so I’m sure the attorney filled him in with “good” advice.
In my view the wife is just as culpable, she aided in the clean up of the mess according to witness accounts the neighbors saw her painting (turned out over the blood spatter) before she went to authorities. If I were the powers that be..I would lean on her if they cannot get him.
DAILY HUMOR
A Somalian arrives in Minneapolis as a new immigrant to the
United States.
He stops the first person he sees walking down the street and says, “Thank you Mr. American for letting me in this country , giving me housing, food stamps, free medical care, and free education!”
The passerby says, “You are mistaken, I am Mexican.”
The man goes on and encounters another passerby. ” Thank you for
having such a beautiful country here in America !”
The person says, “I not American, I Vietnamese.”
The new arrival walks further, and the next person he sees he stops, shakes his hand and says, “Thank you for the wonderful America!” That person puts up his hand and says, “I am from Middle East , I am not American!”
He finally sees a nice lady and asks, “Are you an American?”
She says, “No, I am from Africa !” Puzzled, he asks her, “Where are all the Americans?”
The African lady checks her watch and says…”Probably at work!!!!
TDB-Good one.
Tijuana Shoot Out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiX1vtnZ4Uk&feature=PlayList&p=76628A2C165B2880&index=36
josh said on 21 Jan 2008 at 12:01 pm:
johnson,
See how much of “man” he is by charging his wife as an accessory after the fact. Agree to drop charges against his wife if he returns for a trial.
Want to guess what he chooses?
Legislators vote fraud caught on video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EQzlHr7gJ0&feature=PlayList&p=76628A2C165B2880&index=35
Lafayette,
I saw some of the pictures - we need to get more people to see them/drive past those 7-11’s. Ask them if they feel comfortable going in.
However those pictures are nothing compared to what I saw in Dallas, Tx when I was there on business this past Summer.
I was just south of Farmers branch and there were about 200-300 Illegal immigrants handing out in front of every store, all the sidewalks for about 3-4 blocks. I am not exaggerating - that was my “oh sh!t” moment and realized that this country is in dire need of reform.
If all americans had to drive through those 4 blocks everyone would want IA’s deported, they’d say taking away jobs, benefits isnt enough - they would demand immediate deportation.
It was scary.
Vigilant 1-He’s already shown us what kind of a “man” he is. I was taught that the measure of a man is his level of maturity and responsibility, same as a woman. I’d like to know:
1. What lie(s) did he tell his wife to achieve her cooperation?
2. Did she assist in the rape as well as the murder and coverup?
3. Why was she stupid enough to go along with any of this? Did he threaten her?
I’d like to know why the USMC let him in the first place.
Are they that desperate for people that they have to recruit from young men from foreign nations? Why?
I just got back from Richmond. I ran into Greg, Maureen and other members of HSM. I was also able to visit with Jackson Miller and Colgan. All in all it was a good experience. The press conference was very good as well.
what press conference?
“It’s impossible to deport 12 million illegal aliens!”
Actually, Johnson, it was 12 million illegal aliens back in 2005. Since then, by all reports, there has been an enormous upsurge. Estimates have ranged anywhere from 12 million (most likely from illegal alien apologists trying to downsize the problem) to 24 million. The truth is probably somewhere in between.
By the way, I’m quite aware that the quote was not yours.
Ducky,
he was a naturalized citizen not a non-citizen. All services allow them even including non-citizens, however there are restrictions on what they can/cannot do while working in the service.
For your knowledge since you obviously have something against the military, they dont actively recruit such people i.e. they dont seek them out but if they meet the standards and provide visa’s, etc..then they can join up..if there is a spot. Joining the service is not as easy at it was and there are quotas for non-citizens/naturalized for joining the service. Once those quota’s are met, then no more can join. Same goes for those attempting to join with GED’s and no high-school diploma. The army seems to be more acceptable than others with the Air Force being the most restrictive on requirements.
Retention in the armed forces is at an all time high…regardless of the war in iraq it seems they keep turning people away.
It’s those people that are serving their country ensure that people like you have the opportunity to shoot your mouth off.
Johnson, his “cultural upbringing”? Considering that almost all serial killers in the US are white men, and a large proportion of the run-of the-mill killers are as well, shouldn’t one ask the same question of their cultural upbringings? Or, as I would argue, refrain from such obviously politicized speculation.
As for his specific victim, if the charges are true, I can certainly think of many examples of white American males killing their pregnant girlfriends and wives. If he is guilty, HE is guilty, not his cultural background.
# /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 21 Jan 2008 at 2:38 pm:
# AWCheney said on 18 Jan 2008 at 5:42 pm:
I happen to agree with anon #32 100%, and have stated so in several comments here and on other threads. The problem, Medic, is that you make precisely the same mistake that those who play the race card do…you paint ANYONE who disagrees with you with the same brush and call them unreasonable and ignorant. That hardly leads to civil debate or discourse.
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Guess you and others didn’t read the post thoroughly.
“This is what triggers Medic’s and others ignore button, because they are so close minded they can not see or accept anything new. As I have stated, I have been corrected on this blog and I accepted it and apologized to the person I was giving a hard time to about their opinion.”
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I hardly see this as painting anyone who disagrees with me with the same brush. I am referring to ILLEGAL aliens with this point. Others, I am probably not as passionate about as I am with the ILLEGAL alien invasion.
When apologists and the agree to disagree crowd get involved with the ILLEGAL alien issue, there is not a good outcome for everyone.
I am so happy to see everyone here, who by the way doesn’t know me from Adam, knows exactly how I am. I am passionate about the ILLEGAL alien invasion. Not once have I called them by anything other than ILLEGAL aliens.
I am well aware of the rules of debate and I am already past the intermediate conclusion and working on follow through, unfortunately I see those who agree to disagree as stopping at the immediate conclusion because they can not go past it.
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anon #32,
Not once did I call you a name, yet you seem to have the need to do so. I never said F-you, you did. I hope you have a good day.
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AWCheney,
My point is when the only end to debate is we an agree to disagree, nothing will ever get done. No one seems to want to have an open mind and see that what they are saying, which has been proven wrong with mountainous evidence, continue to think it is right. That is the problem. As I have posted SEVERAL times, I have personally been shown, on this blog, information that has changed my mind and apologized in open forum to the person about their opinion. So, when you say that when someone doesn’t agree with me they are wrong, is a false statement.
Please provide evidence to the contrary of my postings and I will be happy to review it and give it what time it deserves, otherwise, I am how I am and it isn’t going to change.
Josh, I happen to be ex-military. If this guy was a naturalized US citizen from Mexico, then what’s all this about “culural upbringing” being responsible? This guy is no more representative of Marines than he is of naturalized US citizens from Mexico.
Lafayette said on 21 Jan 2008 at 8:51 am:
I agree and had posted that last week
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Johnson said on 21 Jan 2008 at 9:43 am:
Thanks for your service. I was a Navy Corpsman myself, so I have a “soft spot” for Marines.
Quite possibly, but I can not get into a discussion with you about it since many disagree with my stand on the ILLEGAL alien invasion in that I do not see “we can agree to disagree” as an answer.
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Lafayette said on 21 Jan 2008 at 9:49 am:
Like so many other issues on the border, nothing will be done to the criminals and other border patrol agents will remain in jail. I suspect Bush will pardon them on his way out of office so there isn’t any kind of repercussions on him or the party politically.
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Johnson said on 21 Jan 2008 at 9:53 am:
Nothing will be done, please see previous post to Lafayette.
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duck,
I dont think I would go as far as blaming this one on his culture, especially as I read that he was raised most of his life in Nevada. I also agree that he’s does not represent all mexican’s nor all marines. He’s just a bad seed. The fact that he roped his wife into this mess is even more reprehensible. If anything the Marine Corps. should have solidified the right way to live. Could be bad parenting or any number of things that wacked this kid out.
As long as we have Steinback, Pandak and Waja Grimm rallying for the
illegal aliens, we will have a mess in this County.
It’s interesting that Grimm gets her family good paying jobs for the Supervisors.??? I wonder who’s side they are really on?? Spying to inform the other side.
I don’t see how these people can be taken in with all of this going on and be so blind.
I was wondering when you guys would get to my “cultural upbringing” question. I was referring to the past postings about violence against latina women being perpetrated by latino men. I seem to recall something about 80% of murders committed against women in Mexico are domestic violence related.
Medic, I can’t either. The illegal aliens are simply that. Illegal. Aliens. They need to leave, all of them, now. Thank you for patching us up. We treasured our Corpsmen and spoiled them rotten.
Ducky, we can’t tell who is a murderer and who isn’t, just like it’s impossible to tell if a cop will go bad. The Marines hold themselves to a higher standard, so when one goes bad, we all take responsibility. I agree that he is not representative. I guess my question is, when does a latino/hispanic stop being such and become an american?
Leila-you got me with the serial killers. At least he didn’t have “Lee” or “Wayne” as part of his name. I just hoped that he would have faced up to his crime (rape) and took his medicine. Instead he killed that poor girl, consulted an attorney and ran home so he wouldn’t be executed.
Medic 2:50
Snicker snicker rolling over laughing, holding my sides laughing…. yeah you know ALL about intermediate conclusion….. howling with laughter, gasping for air……gotta go now…..
Tee hee, ha ha, yuk yuk yuk…..
Leila,
I’m wondering where you get your data from, I’ve heard some of this before however it’s dated and I dont think it was rooted in fact. comparing serial killers to violent crime in general leads to flaw data. Although serial killers are violent criminals, there are far less of them than say..people who commit one murder or one rape, etc…
so, while their may be more white serial killers on death row than say hispanics I would look at what part of the population commits the most violent crimes in general. What you did is basically took a small portion of the prison population and applied the race card..that does not make sense nor lend credibility to your argument.
Lets look at homicides between 1976-2005, the majority of those were committed by african americans according to DOJ statistics.
if your going to quote stats, shoot a link with it to back up your argument
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm
josh,
She, like many others on this blog, like to spout off these types of statistics and leave it at that. NO EVIDENCE to support their claim, however, will be the first to “agree to disagree” with you on the facts you have stated. It is getting old to debate the agree to disagree crowd here. I will continue to ignore those like Leila since they can not bring forth any data to support their views, opinions or facts.
“The Town Council in regular session Monday evening
at the Town Hall unanimously adopted a segregation
ordinance which provides that no permits shall be
granted for the erection of buildings of any character
to be used and occupied by any person other than
one of the Caucasion race …”
Manassas Journal (6-1-1917)
We have come a long way, but the journey towards
Dr. King’s dream is still long from over.
How do you figure Big Dog? We have a black man running for President, a black general in the army that ran a war (Colin Powell) and a black secretary of state. I fail to see your logic, please explain. Many folks do not want to tolerate ILLEGAL aliens, so they are racists?
# /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 21 Jan 2008 at 2:50 pm:
….. otherwise, I am how I am and it isn’t going to change.
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Medic, at last we agree on something. In fact, my time on this blog has made me even more determined to do my share to fight racism, regardless of immigration status. And please DO ignore my posts. I prefer to say what I want to without you and your colleagues responding.
Big Dog said on 21 Jan 2008 at 4:30 pm:
We have come a long way, but the journey towards
Dr. King’s dream is still long from over.
Unfortunately, you are correct. With the likes of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, they will continue to throw up roadblocks in the path of racial harmony. Both of them would be out of a job if they stopped their racisim and as long as they continue to alienate people for thier own gains, there will be no racial harmony. SHAME OF THEM!
CORR - SHAME ON THEM!
Ducky said on 21 Jan 2008 at 2:05 pm:
I’d like to know why the USMC let him in the first place.
Are they that desperate for people that they have to recruit from young men from foreign nations? Why?
I understand he was a naturalized citizen. First step, remove his citizenship!
This clip brings up a good question. Which is greater racism or sexism?
http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=41c75798-f836-4592-bcd5-245a7617f160
Leila said on 21 Jan 2008 at 2:50 pm:
Johnson, his “cultural upbringing”? Considering that almost all serial killers in the US are white men, and a large proportion of the run-of the-mill killers are as well,
That bright statement wouldn’t be because the majority of the U.S. population is white?
Charlotte,
Everyone is entitled to their point of view. However, if you aren’t here to learn and debate and examine the facts about illegal immigration - you should visit another blog, as you are wasting your time here.
You may feel that others do not respect your feelings - and that would be true.
However, this is NOT about RACISM. It is about the invasion of our country by illegal aliens. It is a verifiable fact that the largest group of illegal aliens are from Mexico. What you fail to realize is that if the largest group of illegal aliens were from Canada - my opinion and the opinion of the majority of others on this blog would not change. Regardless of what country illegal aliens come from - they all need to get the hell out of America. They have no authority to be here - and they are criminals.
While this is an emotional issue for many, myself included, the facts cannot be ignored.
You cannot dispute facts.
Looks like some of Maryland’s legislators are preparing to propose laws to crack down on employers of illegal aliens as well.
Maryland May Look West at Immigration Regulations Through Employers
http://somd.com/news/headlines/2008/7050.shtml
There’s much of the usual whining but then there’s this:
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Not all Arizona business operators see the rules as unworkable.
Daniel Foster, president of Foster’s Painting and Wall Covering, said he fully supports the law. Foster goes even further than the law dictates: he runs a full background check and a drug test for each and every prospective employee.
“If anything comes back, that’s it. I don’t hire them,” Foster said. “I don’t have felons working for me, I don’t have thieves, I don’t have illegal immigrants, and I feel better because my customers are protected better. And you know what? I’m building a company to last.”
He said he lost $2 million in business last year by being outbid on contracts by companies he believes were hiring illegal immigrants.
However, he said he’s had no problems filling his jobs.
“The phone rings off the hook” when there’s a job opening, Foster said. “I just hired two new people today.”
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That’s the kind of company I want to be contracting with–NOT the kind that swings by 7-11 in the morning and picks up God knows who.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect that businesses have a general idea of who they’re hiring and who they’re bringing to my home.
Kudos to Mr. Foster for doing things the right way. I wish he and his business much success.
Robert Molleur Get’s Ripped In The Arlington Sun Gazette
Original Molleur Letter to Editor:
Tejada’s Tenure Will Be a Boon for Illegals
Editor: New County Board Chairman Walter Tejada is totally unclear on the concept of the rule of law, and the idea of private property.
Let me say that again: PRIVATE PROPERTY is not in his world view. He sees Arlington as a huge pot of gold to be taken away from the sucker Anglos. He has more giveaway schemes than Mrs. Clinton.
He has made it very clear he wants to make over Arlington in the image of El Salvador, only with more efficient parking enforcement.
I saw him interviewed on local TV last year, and he basically promised free housing for every immigrant in Arlington. The place is already a people’s republic. Now it is well on its way to becoming a Third World people’s republic. Thank God I don’t live there anymore.
The best part? He wants to amend the building code to allow additional building of certain types of habitable structures on properties, or to encourage “English basements.” (The irony of the term “English” there is too rich.)
Anyway, he is talking about packing properties with illegal aliens in unsafe conditions.
Mr. Tejada is a shining example of what happens when the radical left elects a politician based on political correctness rather than qualifications.
Tejada’s definition of inclusiveness is making sure illegals in Arlington County get all of the taxpayer-funded freebies they can handle.
Robert Molleur
Manassas
Responses in this weeks Sun Gazette Edition:
Tejada Critic Should Stay Where He Is
Editor: Letter-writer Robert Molleur says in his Jan. 10 screed against County Board Chairman Walter Tejada that he thanks God he doesn’t live in Arlington anymore. All of us Arlingtonians should also thank God that such a disgusting bigot doesn’t live here anymore.
A “huge pot of gold to be taken away from the sucker Anglos”? How about affordable housing for U.S. citizens who teach our children, put out our fires and patrol our streets? My son’s preschool teacher (and yes, Robert, she’s white!) had to drive here every day from Chantilly to teach because she couldn’t afford to live in Arlington. She arrived every day stressed out after her long commute - not the best way to be if you teach 10 four-year-olds.
My nanny recently moved to Annandale, after she was kicked out of her roach-infested apartment in South Arlington because the developer tore it down to make way for expensive condos.
These two examples are stories about good, hard-working people - people I would be proud to have as my neighbors. And guess what? Both of them are legal.
I whole-heartedly support measures for more good-quality, affordable housing in Arlington. Your assumption that this is all about housing illegal immigrants is so incredibly ignorant. And I wish you good riddance. Please stay in Manassas.
Jennifer Sergent
Arlington
This ‘People’s Republic’ Functions Just Fine
Editor: Thank you for helping us recount our many blessings here in the “people’s republic” of Arlington.
How fortunate we are that the lovely Jacqueline Jules (who has written the children’s book “No English” profiled in the Sun Gazette last week), a woman beautiful inside and out, chooses to reside among us, and that grumpy letter-writer Robert Molleur has departed for Manassas.
Maybe he forgot to read her book.
Mike Schmit
Arlington
Publishing Letter Demeans Community Discourse
Editor: This likely is not the spin you were hoping for, but I think you have no business publishing bigoted screeds like that from Robert Molleur (thankfully of Manassas) about Walter Tejada [“Tejada Era Spells Trouble,” Letters Jan 17].
Freedom of speech is no excuse for using hate speech - even that of others - merely to inflame your readers. That’s the perfect recipe for widening divisions in our community.
By way of remedy, I would refer you to the recent similar case in golf, where a TV commentator made a stupid “lynch” comment about Tiger Woods but a golf magazine then tried to capitalize on it by putting a noose on its cover.
While the commentator was suspended for two weeks, the magazine editor was fired.
Warren Emerson
Arlington
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I vote for Robert Molleur. You know you’re doing something right when you pee-off the nutballs.
Good job.
Dilly,
I read Robert Molleur’s letter to the editor a few weeks ago and I thought it was right on point. Tejada is an idiot. Thank the Good Lord we don’t live in Arlington.
Perhaps all of the illegal aliens residing in PWC will move to Arlington and we will be rid of them? That is probably too much to ask for but one can always hope!
Josh, you appear to have not read what I wrote or you misunderstood. I said “a large proportion of the run of the mill killers” are white males too. The link you yourself posted has the following for all homicides in the US between 1976 and 2005.
Offenders
45.8% 52.2% 2.0%
The first percentage is whites, the second is blacks, the third is Other. You are absolutely right that African Americans as whole commit a *much* higher percentage of murders than white Americans as a whole, however I said nothing to contradict that. I talked about a large proportion *within the population of killers,* not within the population of white people as a whole. I also only discussed murder, not other forms of violent crime. And I never used words like most or majority to refer to anything but *serial* killers.
I only brought them up since we were talking about upbringing in relation to a particularly heinous crime, and I would consider serial (and spree and other mass-type) killers especially heinous. So I find it interesting those categories are dominated by white men. Other kinds of murder is not.
If you don’t think that white people committing 45.8 percent of all murders getween 1976 and 2005 means that a “large proportion of murderers” are white [men], then we have different understandings of the word large. None of this of course changes the argument about the Marine in question.
I don’t know how the DOJ defines white. They don’t appear to specify. White is of course a kind of nonsensical term, but there it is, in all its unscientific glory. It is also obvious that most white murderers are male. That’s commonsense, but if you find you still require a link see the one you posted and look at gender percentages.
MEDIC, you appear to be only interested in insulting people. You also say that I am among those who spout statistics and then you say I provide no data. Which is it? Am I spouting or am I not spouting? Put down the ether and decide.
Loudoun,
Unfortunately, you are wasting your time trying to explain that to her. Many before you have and they have basically said the EXACT same thing you just stated.
I agree it isn’t about race, but many want to come here and make it such. It is getting old.
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999,
I have said the same thing about Jesse and Al!!!
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999,
Leila is another one of those that wish to continue in her make believe world of racism because people are tired of the ILLEGAL alien invasion.
CitizenofManassas,
You mentioned seeing Greg and others at a press conference. Can you give us some details?
I vote for Robert as well. Tejada caterers to illegals. Liberals are bitching be because they wont have an illegal to wash their laundry when they all get deported.
CJC
Two buses from Northern Virginia went down to the General Assembly early this morning to hold a press conference at 11 am and then meet with some of the legislators to discuss the importance of passing bills to deal with illegal immigration in Virginia.
The buses should be back soon so I would expect Greg to post on the events down in Richmond.
999, in regard to generic killers, I already agreed with Josh that there are fewer white Americans within their population who are murderers than there are black Americans. But since the issue was American upbringing vs. the supposed “other” cultural upbringing of the suspect, those statistics only say that white OR black, criminality in the United States needs no imported help.
What a relief! We’re #1! We’re #1!
999-I believe that under immigration law, that is possible. Hopefully, it won’t be used on him until the lethal injection has taken effect. Can you deport a corpse?
Big Dog- yes, we have a long way to go before Dr. King’s dream is realized. Are his children still fighting over the commercial rights to his legacy? That brought a lot of dignity to the memory of a great American. I submit that the biggest challenge we face at this point is to stop giving special privileges to so-called “minorities”. How did we go so far past equalality to where it’s unequal again? It seems like everyone in the U.S. who isn’t a white male gets special treatment. The Rev.’s Jackson and Sharpton have turned it into a business. Pity the poor “Jenna Six”, who got famous by ganging up on one white kid. It seems to me that the people who cry racism the loudest are the ones who are the most racist. Stop playing the race card and stand up as Americans. Stop segregating yourselves and start integrating with everyone else. I’ve never called another person names for “betraying the race”. Madeline Albright displayed her sexism loud and clear by saying, “There is a special place in hell for women who don’t support other women.” Hillary Clinton really put it out there with “No woman is illegal.” With tears, of course. Nice mixture, don’t you think? The women voters ran to support their sister in her time of need. The O’s (Obama, Oprah) have the double whammy, racism AND sexism. With a big dose of narcissism! This will be an interesting race! (no pun intended). Anybody hear Kid Rock’s new song, “Amen”? Until I heard it, I thought he was just another hippie. Listen to it.
Response to Walter Tejada editorial.
Am I going nuts or did I read that Jennifer Sergent is mad her nanny got kicked out of her “roach infested apartment” by a condo developer?
Thats what I got out of that. And she went out of her way to mention that her pre-school teacher is white, but didnt mention the ethnicity of her nanny.
999, I am fascinated that you think racism is make believe. When did it disappear from the United States? Or was it really never here? Please explain.
To say that the opposition to illegal immigration is all about race/ethnicity would be as incorrect as to say it is ONLY about race/ethnicity. I have never said either.
There are lots of reasons for many Americans to be all het up on this subject, some reasons are legit, some less legit, some appalling.
Correction. My sentence should have read. To say that it is NEVER about race and ethnicity.
dilly,
Some of the people who responded to Mr. Molleur’s letter may feel good about castigating him but I think I know how this will turn out.
In time, quality of life issues and the tax burden for many of the liberal “I’m-better-than-you types” will become unbearable. They’ll then move to other areas only to elect the same types of people who enact policy that made them want to move in the first place.
It’s a bit like Hillary Clinton’s book, except, “It Takes Liberalism to Wreck a Village.”
Johnson,
YES! It’s a good song
®êÐä\/\/Ñ said on 17 Nov 2007 at 10:32 pm:
After adiscussion with my husband over my loss of words, he brought this song to my attention and I feel it fits the situation:
Kid Rock~
Amen
(R.J. Ritchie)
© 2007 RJR Publishing
It’s another night in hell
Another child won’t live to tell
Can you imagine what it’s like to starve to death
And as we sit free and well
Another soldier has to yell
Tell my wife and children I love them in his last breath
C’mon now amen, amen, amen
Habitual offenders, scumbag lawyers with agendas
I’ll tell you sometimes people I don’t know what’s worse
Natural disasters or these wolves in sheep clothes pastors
Now damn it I’m scared to send my children to church
And how can we seek salvation when our nations race relations
Got me feeling guilty of being white
But faith in human nature, our creator and our savior, I’m no saint
But I believe in what is right
C’mon now amen, amen
I said amen, amen
# ®êÐä\/\/Ñ said on 17 Nov 2007 at 10:38 pm:
The rest of the song:
C’mon now amen, amen
I said amen, amen
Stop pointing fingers and take some blame,
Pull your future away from the flame
Open up your mind and start to live
Stop short changing your neighbors
Living off hand outs and favors, and maybe
Give a little bit more than you got to give
Simplify, testify, identify, rectify
And if I get high stop being so uptight
It’s only human nature and I am not a stranger
So baby won’t you stay with me tonight
here is the site to listen to it for yourself:
http://www.kidrock.com/lyrics.php
Alexandrianagainstillegals: “Am I going nuts or did I read that Jennifer Sergent is mad her nanny got kicked out of her “roach infested apartment” by a condo developer?”
Ah! You’re not nuts. Good catch!
We don’t want our NANNY’S having problems, do we!?
josh said on 21 Jan 2008 at 5:30 pm:
TOO TRUE!!!!!
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WOW Johnson,
We are on the same page with many issues (Jesse and AL, the O’s, and the inequality of minorities compared to white males!!!! I will have to listen to Kid Rock’s song.
Please feel free to email me medic6464@hotmail.com
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I am interested to hear what they accomplished in Richmond today; in light of what I read in regards to how many ILLEGAL alien bills would be passed this year (zero). This is why I am not getting excited about the bills proposed until I see them getting support from the members.
Some people can only feel good about themselves by putting others down.
Have learned to just move out of the way, let them pontificate and blame, let them pass and then carry on and start all over again on the next aisle…..
I would definitely agree that too many affordable old garden apartments are being torn down in Arlington for luxury condo development, but I would blame Tejada and the Democrat-dominated board for that. They never seem to say no to a developer, especially in the Rosslyn-Ballston corridor.
The board is in favor of dense high rise development, which is an efficient use of the land I guess. But every high rise built has been for upper-income renters.
You know, Medic, you’re really beginning to annoy me with your posting of the same comments in multiple locations:
“AWCheney,
My point is when the only end to debate is we an agree to disagree, nothing will ever get done. No one seems to want to have an open mind and see that what they are saying, which has been proven wrong with mountainous evidence, continue to think it is right. That is the problem. As I have posted SEVERAL times, I have personally been shown, on this blog, information that has changed my mind and apologized in open forum to the person about their opinion. So, when you say that when someone doesn’t agree with me they are wrong, is a false statement.
Please provide evidence to the contrary of my postings and I will be happy to review it and give it what time it deserves, otherwise, I am how I am and it isn’t going to change.”
As you well know, although you said this here (on this thread), along with the rest of the lengthy comment, today at 2:58 pm, you copied it over, in its entirety, from the “New Open Thread
By Greg L | 14 January 2008 |” ( /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 21 Jan 2008 at 2:38 pm). WHY? It’s totally out of context to the existing discussion here, and rather shows a lack of creativity. Should I now copy over my response to you? Is it because you want to make sure that no one sees the response in previous threads? You’ve done that before and, because it was out of the context of the discussion, my brother posted a comment agreeing with you…until I pointed out the previous comments in the appropriate thread. Ya know, I happen to agree with you on the illegal alien issue…but I think that I’m just going to put YOU on ignore from now on!
Oh yeah, by the way, if you want to see my response, you’ll find it on the APPROPRIATE thread.
Jane D’oh!: It’s a bit like Hillary Clinton’s book, except, “It Takes Liberalism to Wreck a Village.”
LOL!
Anonymous said on 21 Jan 2008 at 5:46 pm:
Some people can only feel good about themselves by putting others down.
Have learned to just move out of the way, let them pontificate and blame, let them pass and then carry on and start all over again on the next aisle…..
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Thank you for those words of wisdom. I need to get back on that path.
Johnson said on 21 Jan 2008 at 5:34 pm:
999-I believe that under immigration law, that is possible. Hopefully, it won’t be used on him until the lethal injection has taken effect. Can you deport a corpse?
Most definately! It’s usually a matter of self-deportation of the corpse (after the collections is taken up.)
Charlotte
Please do. It’s the higher path and it’s the intelligent one. Remember the bully that appeared on the playground and ruined everything for everyone?
Alexandrianagainstillegals,
Strange how the ethnicity “conveniently” left out huh?? Maybe if she paid her better, she wouldn’t have to live in a roach infested apartment. Seems to me she is contributing to her nanny’s situation in life.
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®êÐä\/\/Ñ,
Nice to see the lyrics. TY for posting them. I think they say quite a bit about how many feel nowadays.
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Jane D’oh!,
They do not care because they live in a nanny state of life. We, the Gov’t, can care for you because you can not be trusted to care for yourselves. If the liberals keep them poor, they can control them. Once the poor have money, they suddenly have a voice that can be heard. If they continue the handout, they continue to have votes.
Leila said on 21 Jan 2008 at 5:38 pm:
999, I am fascinated that you think racism is make believe. When did it disappear from the United States? Or was it really never here? Please explain.
999 said on 21 Jan 2008 at 5:01 pm:
Big Dog said on 21 Jan 2008 at 4:30 pm:
We have come a long way, but the journey towards
Dr. King’s dream is still long from over.
Unfortunately, you are correct. With the likes of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, they will continue to throw up roadblocks in the path of racial harmony. Both of them would be out of a job if they stopped their racisim and as long as they continue to alienate people for thier own gains, there will be no racial harmony. SHAME OF THEM!
Leila, where is is posted that I said racism is make believe. Au Contraire, read my post above. Racism will never disappear until the likes of Sharpton and Jackson do!
The Press conference was regarding the effort to get bills passed to combat illegal aliens. Delegate Bob Marshal, Jeff Frederick, and Ken Cucinelli were all in attendance. I can’t recall the names of two members of the GA who also attended.
I’m sure Greg will give a complete recap of it once he has time.
Lielia,
You are correct most serial killers are white. It should also be noted that the media and law enforcement do not seem to care much about the feelings or relationships with the “White community” when they are dealing with a serial killer, and it seems the “White community” as a whole does not get their panties in a bunch over the attention given to one of their own when there are high profile cases being profiled in the media. All concerns of stereotyping also seems to go out the window too. I wonder why.
Anonymous said on 21 Jan 2008 at 6:01 pm:
Come out of the shadows and be named. It is easy to hide and snipe than to be out in the open isn’t it?
999 said on 21 Jan 2008 at 6:03 pm:,
Racism will never disappear until the likes of Sharpton and Jackson do!
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You are 1,000,000,000% right!!! They keep the pot at a rolling boil and widening the gap between all instead of trying to bridge the gap.
Tryin’ to make friends. Oh, the pshychology of this all!!!! One for the books!
Liberalism=Socialism. Don’t hold my hand. I’m an adult. When I want/need help, I’ll ask for it. It’ll kill me to do so, but I will. Until then, I’ll do my part to help my fellow americans and keep this country a sovereign nation.
Leila-
Unfortunately, developers and County BOS’s will always be in cahoots. Never saw a board member retire poor, didja? When I grew up in Falls Church in the ’70’s, Arlington was a neat place to live. There was nary a high rise in Ballston, except for the Sears parking garage.
redawn-
gracias for the lyrics. WOLVERINES!!!!
Medic, all we are doing here is sniping at each other, you included. What difference does it make what name we use.
Jane D’oh! said on 21 Jan 2008 at 5:41 pm:
dilly,
Some of the people who responded to Mr. Molleur’s letter may feel good about castigating him but I think I know how this will turn out.
In time, quality of life issues and the tax burden for many of the liberal “I’m-better-than-you types” will become unbearable. They’ll then move to other areas only to elect the same types of people who enact policy that made them want to move in the first place.
It’s a bit like Hillary Clinton’s book, except, “It Takes Liberalism to Wreck a Village.”
You are so right. In fact, we can see that happening here in Northern VA, many Northeast liberals have settled here after getting fed up with life in their liberal utopias.
A couple of weeks ago, there was a story in the Washington Times regarding a possible tax increase to businesses in Alexandria and the backlash and concern of some businesses to the plan. The common complaint was they simply cannot handle additional taxes.
Leila said on 21 Jan 2008 at 5:46 pm:
I would definitely agree that too many affordable old garden apartments are being torn down in Arlington for luxury condo development, but I would blame Tejada and the Democrat-dominated board for that. They never seem to say no to a developer, especially in the Rosslyn-Ballston corridor.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!
Johnson,
As someone who grew up in Arlington, mostly in the 70’s I agree. Now, it seems Arlington just wants to qualify for the World’s tallest building.
Anonymous said on 21 Jan 2008 at 6:01 pm
Remember the bully that appeared on the playground and ruined everything for everyone?
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Today’s bullies are those who try to cow people into submission through accusations of racism and hate.
The need to be acknowledged as absolutely correct is part of the issue, Charlotte. You are not dealing with rational.
CitizenofManassas said on 21 Jan 2008 at 6:04 pm:,
It should also be noted that the media and law enforcement do not seem to care much about the feelings or relationships with the “White community” when they are dealing with a serial killer, and it seems the “White community” as a whole does not get their panties in a bunch over the attention given to one of their own when there are high profile cases being profiled in the media.
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You are correct!! Seems that once a black person is in a high profile situation, it is all about the race. Where are Al and Jesse now that the Duke boys have been acquitted??? Where are their apologies to these young men who have ruined lives now? They demand apologies from Imus, but fail to apologize and use some of their influence to help these young men out with a helping hand. The hypocrasy is to rampant, which leads them to be viral people in today’s society.
Now Al wants the Golf anchor fired. Tiger said he accepted the apology and knew it was said in a certain context which was not mean spirited. Yes, she could have chosen a different analogy, but she has apologized and it has been accepted, why do we need “more action”?
Jane - agree that that is true, but not limited to those accusations.
Leila said “het up”- that’s cool!
COM, I can think of lots of reasons, most having to do with A. the behavior of a majority population of any kind, and B. the total alien nature of someone as heinous as a serial killer.
The rarity alone of serial killers would make it strange for any majority population to worry that one of their own was among their number, or for the cops to have that as a concern.
So, how did this all become about race again? Jeepers……
Did anyone notice the cartoon in the post about Pres Bush returning home to find the US ecomony sold out to foreign interests? Or read how foreign countries own far too much of our treasury bills…. There are other issues.
Anon-
Mea Culpa. I’ll behave.
Leila,
Maybe I need to explain myself better. As a whole the “White community” does not take offense to having a white face attached to a possible criminal. The “White community” it seems does not care what color the criminal is, they simply want that criminal to be caught. Of course for the more liberal minded, that may not exactly be the case.
Anonymous said on 21 Jan 2008 at 6:12 pm:
The need to be acknowledged as absolutely correct is part of the issue, Charlotte. You are not dealing with rational.
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I know, I know. If we weren’t all faceless here, I probably wouldn’t even be responding. It’s hard not to be concerned…..
CitizenofManassas
You might appreciate this report by United Van Lines.
http://www.unitedvanlines.com/mover/united-newsroom/press-releases/2008/2007-united-van-lines-migration-study.htm
Look at which states people are moving out of and where they’re moving in to.
Interesting that two of the highest outbound states are New York and Illinois, the home states of Obama and Clinton.
Also, Michigan, #1 outbound with its strong union presence and a democrat-controlled state legislature.
CitizenofManassas said on 21 Jan 2008 at 6:21 pm:
Leila,
Maybe I need to explain myself better. As a whole the “White community” does not take offense to having a white face attached to a possible criminal. The “White community” it seems does not care what color the criminal is, they simply want that criminal to be caught. Of course for the more liberal minded, that may not exactly be the case.
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Excuse me????
If said criminal is an immigrant, certain people here DEMAND to know if he is illegal, and if so, it gets sensationalized on blogs and other conservative media outlets, to be copied over and over again by the likes of you.
CitizenofManassas said on 21 Jan 2008 at 6:07 pm
In fact, we can see that happening here in Northern VA, many Northeast liberals have settled here after getting fed up with life in their liberal utopias.
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They will try it again, so to speak, here with the same results as the previous.
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999,
$$$$$$$$$$$
That will always be the reason they sell out. The teacher has to commute because of the high price of real estate in that area. Affordable housing for those who work hard with little pay to show for it should be on the minds of the Arlington board, not ILLEGAL alien sanctuary.
999,
I was referring to this phrase:
“her make believe world of racism”
It would appear that you are saying that racism is make believe, at the very least in relation to the illegal alien debate.
Johnson, yeah, “het up” is fun.
I was just at the WestGate Giant. I couldn’t help but notice what a smart shopper I was parked next to. I’m sure they used their Bonus Card while in the store too. I won’t reveal who’s car it is. I hope they come on and see the picture.
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2621918740102412507zButaf
Jane D’oh! said on 21 Jan 2008 at 6:22 pm:,
How many more that can not afford United Van Lines moved? It would be interesting to see U-Haul statistics on the same trend don’t you think?
Charlotte,
I said as a whole. That of course does not mean everyone. Besides, how do you know that those requesting such information on this blog are white? I think knowing the immigration status of a criminal is important, but only if they are illegal, since illegals never seem to commit any crimes. Thanks for proving my points.
COM, are you seriously saying that liberals would not want a serial murderer to be caught? Come on.. Really. That isn’t true and wasn’t necessary. It was petty.
The one thing you could say is there is a romanticization of serial and other killers at times in American culture, but that cuts across ideology.
There is a difference in the experience of being in the majority in a society and being in the minority. The majority is often oblivious to that difference however. I remember having a conversation once with a white male about white privilege in the most mundane aspects of everyday life and he basically denied it existed, EVER.
Lafayette said on 21 Jan 2008 at 6:26 pm:,
The Grand Cherokee was one of the highest car theft vehicles in 2002.
http://www.auto-theft.info/Statistics.htm
It didn’t seem to make it after that year, maybe because deterrents of the smart shopper like you witnessed this evening.
Knowing the legal status of criminals is important. No doubt about it. All immigration issues are part of our national security. There are or should be very few levels in the strategies of national security. One of the few zero tolerance areas I can think of that should be so.
The reaction when is it is an illegal, Charlotte, is due to local experience. It’s not so much the gleeful response as it appears, but one of “I told them so, maybe now they will do something.” It has more to do with neighborhood deterioration and issues in the schools and direct impact on some of these folks home values and investments. Please try to understand that. I had to learn the same thing. It takes a while to understand the motivation here for some of the comments -
and I will continue to do your work and fulfill your dream. Equality for all.
From Alipac - concrete supplier in AZ taken over by mexican company - now refuses to work on border fence projects?
“www.mothersagainstillegalaliens.org
INTERESTING NEWS!!!! Hmmmmmmmm!!!
Cemex, a huge Mexican owned company which manufactures, concrete, cement, asphalt, and concrete pipe, has bought out the Rinker Group and is now one of the largest suppliers in the world. The acquisition resulted from a hostile takeover and gives Cemex over 100 locations in Arizona alone.
A Mexican company is now the largest supplier of ready mix concrete and cement in the USA !!
Our global economy at it’s best. Thank you Global George and your CFR friends !!
See article:
http://www.concreteconstruction.net/industry-news.asp?sectionID=718&articleID=512442
Now we find out, from a very reliable source who lives on the Arizona border and is employed in this industry, that
Cemex will not allow any of its locations to bid on any construction project which relates to border security on the Arizona/Mexico border !!
Could this practice be a result of pressure from a Mexican government doing its best to ensure the easiest possible access for millions of illegal aliens streaming across the border into Arizona?
Could it be the influence of the Gulf Drug Cartel, which is also based in Monterrey, Mexico? Certainly they have the money, power, and incentive to interfere with our efforts to secure the border.
Whatever the reason, it certainly will have the approval of John McCain. That lying worm.
This practice is wrong and needs to be exposed. Cemex belongs at the very top of all boycott lists.
Look at all their locations in Arizona alone:
http://www.rinkermaterials.com/locations/States/locnST_AZ.shtml
While you’re there, take a look at Florida.
The profit from every sale they make goes back to the elite in Mexico who could care less about their working class, and we keep hearing how poor Mexico is.
Please pass this on and encourage a boycott of these Reconquista invaders (my question - is this called for?)
Minuteman Mission: To secure United States borders and coastal boundaries against
unlawful and unauthorized entry of all individuals, contraband, and foreign military.”
Leila said:
There is a difference in the experience of being in the majority in a society and being in the minority. The majority is often oblivious to that difference however. I remember having a conversation once with a white male about white privilege in the most mundane aspects of everyday life and he basically denied it existed, EVER.
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Leila, thank you for pointing that out. I agree with Citizen above, we don’t know the demographics of bloggers here, but if anyone is African American, I would appreciate their perspective on racism in this country.
Anonymous said on 21 Jan 2008 at 6:37 pm:
…….The reaction when is it is an illegal, Charlotte, is due to local experience. It’s not so much the gleeful response as it appears, but one of “I told them so, maybe now they will do something.” It has more to do with neighborhood deterioration and issues in the schools and direct impact on some of these folks home values and investments. Please try to understand that. I had to learn the same thing. It takes a while to understand the motivation here for some of the comments -
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So is their local experience more valid than mine in the immigration debate?
Alex…
Sounds like Vulcan Materials should expand to AZ.
Also CEMEX is moving into FLA (by purchasing Rinker) to position themselves to go to Cuba when Castro dies. It’s been said that brother Raphael (?) will begin to build. On the other hand, it would be a great investment opportunity - the Cuba thing.
Just love the USA is a wholly owned subsidiary of foreign owners….
This is why my pres vote will be the one with the most abilitily to deal with our economy. We can’t solve any problem without a stable and projected stable economy.
Speaking of serial killers ….
In October, 2002 John Lee Malvo, accompanied by uber psycho John Allen Muhammed, shot 13 people - killing 10.
John Lee Malvo made his way into the ranks of American serial killers by way of Jamaica. He and his mother illegally entered the United States as stowaways on a ship from Jaimaica to Miami in June 2001. He and his mother were arrested in Bellingham, Washington. They admitted to being illegal aliens who had entered the US as stowaways. The INS held them for about 30 days and then released them.
No Charlotte. It is what it is. Sometimes majority theories and observations have to be put aside for the outlyers (sp?).
Groveton said on 21 Jan 2008 at 6:45 pm:
The INS held them for about 30 days and then released them.
You realize this is NOT going to change by spending millions at the local level?
The locals arrested, the feds released. There was an article about ICE’s accomplishments for FY07. They deported 300k. At that rate it will take 40 years to deport 12M assuming no one else comes in. ICE doubles their effort we are down to 20 years.
All that local money……
Anonymous said on 21 Jan 2008 at 6:46 pm:
No Charlotte. It is what it is. Sometimes majority theories and observations have to be put aside for the outlyers (sp?).
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Thanks.
Charlotte,
Since you’re ever-vigilant against racism and bigotry, what is your opinion of screed from a fellow liberal?
Who’s Tired of Pink?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/erica-jong/whos-tired-of-pink_b_81087.html
As a conservative, I found it offensive in both its racism and sexism.
At the same time I found it strangely amusing that she says, “I am so tired of pink men having wives who stand behind them and nod sagely on television” while Hillary! did just that as she blamed some VRWC for her husband’s troubles.
Alex Illegal….
Also, I am informed by very informed spouse that if CEMEX declines to bid or prohibits bidding, they will not be allowed to bid on ANY government project……
Leilia,
I said liberal minded, not liberals. Maybe you are feeling a bit guilty.
Sure there is racism in this Country, and there always will be. Though, again, I would say the racism that gets the most attention still seems to be white on minority, which I suppose is racist itself, to assume or to only project that there is only one type of person that can be racist and only one type of person that can be the victim of racism.
As someone who has had multiple supervisors who have been black, having talked to plenty of people who have benefited from race based programs, and to take stock of such programs, I would say we are quickly seeing an end to “white privilege”.
Anon 6:51
I agree that the establishment and enforcement of immigration laws should be a federal responsibility. However, given that the feds can’t or won’t enforce the laws they are sworn to uphold I am happy to see the localities trying to do something.
Jane - horrible article..I am married to a pink man and have raised one. Neither behave as stated in the article. But I did find the following humourous and somewhat pertinent.
“I am so tired of pink men arguing, blathering, bloviating, predicting the future–usually wrongly–and telling women to shut up.”
Anonymous said on 21 Jan 2008 at 6:51 pm:
You realize this is NOT going to change by spending millions at the local level?
The locals arrested, the feds released. There was an article about ICE’s accomplishments for FY07. They deported 300k. At that rate it will take 40 years to deport 12M assuming no one else comes in. ICE doubles their effort we are down to 20 years.
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That’s why we need to focus on their employers.
I’ve read numerous stories from DHS and ICE boasting of their accomplishments in deportations but I’ve YET to hear one story of a major crackdown on the primary offenders in employment.
There have been a few here and there wrt the little guy being taken to task for employing illegal aliens, but I’ll believe they’re serious when a Tyson’s or Smithfield exec. is hauled off for breaking employment laws.
Until then states and localities need to do what they can do.
COM, I am sorry. Is there a difference between a person who is liberal minded and a liberal? Would you mind unpacking that? Are you are saying liberals aren’t liberal minded? Or you are saying liberal minded people aren’t liberals?
Again, you decided to be petty with the “guilty” remark. Why is that necessary? If you wish to indulge in your penchant for dime-store psychoanalysis, perhaps you’d best become your own analysand.
Illegal immigrants DO NOT get public assistance benefits of any kind!!!!!!!!!. Wonder where some of you get your information, probably from some know it all idiot who thinks he/she knows the facts. Easier to make them up than to check them out.
Some of the comments I have read today are just frightening. Sounds like some of you are reincarnations from Nazi Germany!
Jane, I think the author is purposely trying to be outrageous to make her point. You know that she is a prominent feminist author from the earlier women’s movement, and she doesn’t care if she offends. She writes at the bottom that generalizations are false, and that goes for generalizations about “pink men”.
But just like people here ask liberals to find the grain of truth in your screeds, what is the grain of truth in her writing? Who is responsible for this war? Women? I have often wondered how the world would be different if women were in charge.
Women don’t have the biological need to be warriors.
Erika Jong was writing to provoke, and it looks like she succeeded.
Feedback to the Arlington Sun Gazette can be provided here -
http://www.sungazette.net/shared-content/perform/?domain_name=sungazette.net&form_template=feedback
Your comments and/or letters to the editor would be greatly appreciated.
It seems as though they don’t like former Arlingtonians now living in Manassas like myself.
Liberalism is like a loaded diaper.
FHL said on 21 Jan 2008 at 7:06 pm:
Some of the comments I have read today are just frightening. Sounds like some of you are reincarnations from Nazi Germany!
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FHL, let me tell you something I’ve learned here. They don’t see the parallels; they will tell you that you don’t live in their neighborhoods so you don’t know what they are dealing with; they will tell you that you are playing the race card; and finally they will ask you, “What part of illegal don’t you understand?”
/\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) referencing 21 Jan 2008 at 2:50 pm comment:
I never called you a name . See: anon #32 said on 18 Jan 2008 at 5:29 pm on older open thread:
“On the other hand, ‘we can agree to disagree’ sounds ever so much nicer than ‘F-you, your opinion is ignorant and stupid and so are you.’
I prefer the civilized society way. The later is just so mean-spirited.”
Please don’t try to start something and say I name-called you. See the exact post which you referenced. I have brought the entire post here from the other thread just for the record.
Your list of those to whom you owe an apology is getting longer and longer.
Groveton said on 21 Jan 2008 at 7:02 pm:
Anon 6:51
I agree that the establishment and enforcement of immigration laws should be a federal responsibility. However, given that the feds can’t or won’t enforce the laws they are sworn to uphold I am happy to see the localities trying to do something
Agree, abslolutely in concpet. However, given the limited resources, the cost will be outragous for limited federal return. Locals will arrest and identify. Fed will agree and release. That’s the part I am sick about — watching my local dollars that could go to a school be spent that way. Would rather put the money - the majority - into Neighborhood Services for street lighting, landscaping, going after banks to maintain homes that have been foreclosed, improving local zoning ordinances, portable zoning offices in problem neighborhoods, zoning going after ruined commerical establishments due to hundreds of day laborers. Then I would feel I was getting a bang for my buck. Law Enforcement should continue to do what they do without being feds, let the jails handle 287(g), let local taxes improve the neighborhoods of local taxpayers. Local money should have an exact outcome related to the expenditures. Neighborhood services improvements does not rely on the feds for a positive outcome. It is controlled by BOCS.
Lobby lobby lobby lobby Richmond regarding employers as many are doing.
Anonymous said on 21 Jan 2008 at 7:04 pm:
“I am so tired of pink men arguing, blathering, bloviating, predicting the future–usually wrongly–and telling women to shut up.”
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I suspect that the “pink men” in your life do know better than to tell you to “shut up.”
Yes, they both had good mothers that taught them manners…..
FHL,
You know they get public assistance through their anchor babies.
Robert T. Molleur,
Those same liberals will be following you to Manassas soon.
Unfortunately, liberals are more like locusts than loaded diapers.
Charlotte,
What you say is true. They have told me I do not know what it is like to live in their neighborhoods but I do live in a neighborhood with hispanics. I never checked their papers so if they are illegal I do not know that and I have never had any problems in my neighborhood. Doubt if any of them ever checked status of those in their neighborhoods. I also think they do a fair amount of blowing things out of proportion. They make all kinds of assumptions but rarely have facts. I have been called a freedom hating liberal, an apologist and other names but that is their style. They do not like people with different opinions or views.
They are a frightening group of people and in my opinion they are the ones playing the race card!!!
I feel sorry for them. They have no clue that we are all equal in God’s eyes.
They are to be pitied.
Charlotte said on 21 Jan 2008 at 7:12 pm:
FHL, let me tell you something I’ve learned here. They don’t see the parallels….”
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Says the person who monitors groups for “hate” speech.
Groveton said on 21 Jan 2008 at 7:02 pm:
Anon 6:51
I agree that the establishment and enforcement of immigration laws should be a federal responsibility. However, given that the feds can’t or won’t enforce the laws they are sworn to uphold I am happy to see the localities trying to do something.
Oh, me too, don’t get me wrong. I am just concerned about our return on 14Million from the feds. The locals will arrest, the feds will release. I would prefer to see most, not all, of our local money go to Neighborhood Services. Things like a portable zoning office in problem neighborhoods. (talk about a presence). Landscaping, street lighting, staying on banks to keep their foreclosures neat, commerical zoning - loitering, landscaping there. And of course the grocery cart graveyards (kind of a Lafayette joke).
Imagine a portable zoning trailer in Westgate/Sudley for 3-5 months addressing local problems and daily walk throughs…..
I would let the jails handle the 287 (g) catch and release and do exactly what the gang is doing in Richmond.
I just want a good return on my money. $14million and nothing for neighborhood services. PWC has control over Neighborhood Services the outcome can be directed. PWC has no control over ICE, the outcome cannot be directed. It looks like a hole for throwing our money…
Charlotte,
Now you start to understand why its so important that this issue be dealt with sooner rather than later.
FHL: “Some of the comments I have read today are just frightening. Sounds like some of you are reincarnations from Nazi Germany!”
You were there?
# Jane D’oh! said on 21 Jan 2008 at 7:24 pm:
Charlotte said on 21 Jan 2008 at 7:12 pm:
FHL, let me tell you something I’ve learned here. They don’t see the parallels….”
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Says the person who monitors groups for “hate” speech.
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Do you see any parallels, Jane?
It’s funny that FHL makes the comparison to Nazi Germany as well as the comment that the anti-illegal side blows things out of proportion.
I guess only one side is allowed to distort the truth.
Anonymous said on 21 Jan 2008 at 7:25 pm:
I agree I want to know exactly what kind of a return we will get our $14 million investment.
Neighborhood Services needs dedicated employees that truly care about our county, and want to see a change. I don’t beleive this to be true for all of them. They do have a couple of really good employees.
I read an article in the past day or two that said how many ICE is just letting go and not actually deporting. We need deportations to increase, and the employers to be fined and stripped of their licenses.
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Mr. Medic,
I was up by the Global Mart awhile ago. Here’s some observations, and have you noticed this too?
1) The “comuter bike lot” does NOT have near the number of bikes they once did.
2) Loitering happening more frequently and the number loiterers seems to be on the rise. They park themselves to the right of the entrace to Global(was a furniture store).
3) I’m convinced more than ever that this is a drop off/pick up point for day laborers. I did notice one company van letting off about 10 employees off in the middle of the parking lot.
Charlotte,
I’m guessing you don’t.
FHL said on 21 Jan 2008 at 7:23 pm:
They are a frightening group of people and in my opinion they are the ones playing the race card!!!
I feel sorry for them. They have no clue that we are all equal in God’s eyes.
They are to be pitied.
If that “bunch” you speak of is so frightening, why do you keep to bvbl? You should stay effing lost like you’ve been, and while your at it take Charlotte with you.
edit my 1st sentence to read.
If that “bunch” you speak of is so frightening, why do you keep
coming to bvbl?
Dignidad,
I couldn’t agree more!
West Gate Witch: “If that “bunch” you speak of is so frightening, why do you keep
coming to bvbl?”
I’m close to having an Alex Trebek (a la Jeopardy) joke on that one…
[sorry. I’m twisted..]
es_la_ley,
Go for it! I could use a good “cackle”.
Officials Setting Resolution In Motion
(today’s
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Mr. Monticup -
Some time ago, we discussed mental health issues back to the early 60’s. Tonight on PBS, American Experience will explore the issues of Lobotomies….
Thought you might me interested strictly from an HISTORICAL perspective.
One Voice: “Tonight on PBS, American Experience will explore the issues of Lobotomies….”
PBS and lobotomies. Hmmm… Now THAT is fertile ground for some humor.
Leilia,
I suppose there is a difference. However, since you have pressed, there is no question that liberals have a soft spot for criminals. Liberals(not all, but in the general sense) want to take it easy on liberals. Liberals generally seem to be against the three strikes law, the death penalty, sentences without parole, and they seem to want to remove personal responsibility from criminal action by placing it on society or something that happened in the life of the criminal.
Again, this is not to say that every liberal is like that, but in general.
Lobotomy, is a great song by the Ramones.
Correction, liberals want to take it easy on criminals.
One Voice:
Thanks, but I don’t watch PBS.
Joseph Kennedy had his retarded daughter Rosemary lobotomized even though it was never used for retardation. He just didn’t want the family embarassed by her behavior. It would intefere with his goal of having a son as president. A real nice guy.
The truth is, neurosurgury for psych illness is done today as a last resort. Of course, it is nothing like the lobotomies of long ago. Look up cingulotomy.
FHL
Are you serious??? Illegal aliens do not get any benefits?? At first I thought you were being sarcastic. Have you thought about the thousands of dollars we spend educating their children, the free breakfast, free lunches, the food stamps, the health care at our hospitals. Keep reading BVBLand the good folks here just might help you see the truth.
es la lay: why DO some of these types like Leila and Charlotte come on this site? I would never waste my time on a pro-illegal, lefty site. They have nothing of value to say, IMHO.
The Ramones Rule!!
The Pogues are coming to the 9:30 Club in March!
Oops. I didn’t mean to insult Charlotte and Leila. What I meant was the lefty sites have nothing of value to say.
I think we should do more to publicize how wonderful life is for the illegal aliens in Arlington. Maybe we could put Tejada’s remarks on posters and stick them up all around.
Monticup,
I will bite. How come you don’t watch PBS? I find some of their programs wonderful.
A friend sent me a good parallel for NCLB. Enjoy.
The basketball version of what is going on in education right now.
1. All teams must make the state playoffs and all MUST win the championship.
If a team does not win the championship, they will be on probation until they are the champions, and coaches will be held accountable. If after two years they have not won the championship their basketballs and equipment will be taken away UNTIL they do win the championship.
2. All kids will be expected to have the same basketball skills at the same time, even if they do not have the same conditions or opportunities to practice on their own. NO exceptions will be made for lack of interest in basketball, a desire to perform athletically, or genetic abilities or disabilities of themselves or their parents. ALL KIDS WILL PLAY BASKETBALL AT A PROFICIENT LEVEL!
3. Talented players will be asked to workout on their own, without instruction. This is because the coaches wi ll be using all their instructional time with the athletes who aren’t interested in basketball, have limited athletic ability or whose parents don’t like basketball!
4. Games will be played year round, but statistics will only be kept in the 4th, 8th, and 11th games. This will create a New Age of Sports where every school is expected to have the same level of talent and all teams will reach the same minimum goals. If no child gets ahead, then no child gets left behind. If parents do not like this new law, they are encouraged to vote for vouchers and support private schools that can screen out the non-athletes and prevent their children from having to go to school with bad basketball players.
monticup:
Your comment at 9:39 is pretty telling. A “liberal mind” is open to trying to understand the different sides of an issue. Leila and Charlotte may well be doing a little reconnaissance (know thy enemy) or hoping to change a few minds.
You on the other hand, would rather spend your time cloistered among a homogeneous community that only affirms your beliefs and never forces you to challenge anything you believe.
Leila said on 21 Jan 2008 at 6:25 pm:
999,
I was referring to this phrase:
“her make believe world of racism”
I don’t know where you got that from as I did not make that statement and those are not MY words. Apparently you have me confused with someone else. What time was that post made???
COM, Did you just write “liberals want to take it easy on liberals”? I assume that is a mistake. Or did you think criminals are all liberal in their politics? That would be a first. You also appear to be having a spelling problem with names, but perhaps it’s been a rough night.
I don’t have a problem with life sentences without parole in certain cases. I do object to the death penalty because there is no recourse in the case of a mistake. And there have been lots and lots of mistakes. DNA testing has resulted in the exoneration of many from death row, but we can not know how many people have been executed who were not guilty of their crimes. Plus, I am very aware of the history of the DP in the US, the arbitariness of when the penalty was applied, the class and racial issues, and the DP’s long history of use for crimes other than murder.
I guess I share opposition to the death penalty with such arch, famous liberals as the current Pope. Fancy that. Old pinko Ratzinger.
Three strikes laws remove needed discretion from judges. I am more interested in justice than formulas. I have no problem with tough sentences when warranted, but there are many dangers in boxing judges into things no matter what the circumstance.
As for issues of responsibility, I do hold people responsible for their actions. In fact that is precisely what I said about the accused Marine (if he did what he is accused of doing). But our laws, which you apparently don’t agree with, allow for judges and juries to take things like mental illness, child abuse, etc. into account in questions of guilt and sentencing.
Our common-law system has a tradition I take very seriously regarding the moral responsibility of judging.
All illegal aliens are criminals. That’s why they are called “illegal”. The only question is whether or not they are repeat offenders.
I expect that there may be a difference between a “liberal mind” and a “liberal, in the political sense. All of you are playing a game of semantics. In fact, I challenge any of you to define either “liberal” or “conservative” in a definitive way within today’s standards, because there aren’t any…standards, that is. What may have defined either term 20 years ago has absolutely no relevance today. There’s so little difference between either of the political parties, they have no relevance either. What, you may ask, has entered the mix? Extremism, that’s what. The only difference between the Democrats and Republicans nowadays is that the Republican Party is home to the extremists of the far right and the Democratic Party is home to the extremists of the far left. Interestingly enough, those stodgy Republicans and Democrats of those many years gone by could generally agree upon one thing, if nothing else…extremism is bad.
Dolph:
Do you have the source for that NCLB comparison? I’d love to pass it along as part of a report I’m working on.
999, you have my deep apologies. It was a remark addressed to you and not made by you. The format with the line separating made me think it was a post from you. I must have scrolled too quickly because I saw the line as going all the way. It was made by the person here fond of certain epithets, at 5:27. Again, my apologies.
Monticup, no of course you didn’t mean it. Of course not.
But, more interesting, you like the Pogues? I’m amazed. I guess Shane McGowan’s ultra-left politics don’t interfere with your enjoyment. How fascinating. You won’t watch the mildly liberal PBS, but you will enthuse about a staunchly socialist Irish Republican.
Go figure.
Oops, MAcGowan.
Turn PW Blue,
A friend of mine emailed it to me tonight. I would say it is generic on the internet now. This website has something similar on it. http://www.educatorroundtable.org/
The Educator Roundtable got started little over a year ago under Dr. Philip Kovacs. Dr. Kovacs can help you with any information on NCLB that you want. He responds very quickly. Within minutes.
Dolph:
I don’t listen to NPR either. Seriously, I don’t watch too much TV. I like the Discovery channels.
Liela,
Yes, I did say many liberals have a soft spot for criminals, because that is a fact. I also said not every liberal feels that way. Sorry, if I mispell a faw words. If that is all you have to “get” me on, you really should stop trying.
Three strikes is not a formula, it is in place to put repeat offenders away, since they obviously did not learn their lesson the first two times. But, stop me if you think I am wrong about liberals being soft on criminals. At what point should a repeat offender not receive another chance by you libs?
I did not say to impose the death penalty without a process which allows for appeals, or any other type of sentence.
Well, of course the Pope is against the death. He is also against killing babies, which he most assuredly does not share the same opinion with many libs.
How many examples have we seen where some lib has used the excuse of environment, upbringing etc, as opposed to self responsibility for why someone committed a crime. Too many times.
Has anyone seen the story about Mount Ranier, MD becoming a sanctuary city? At least partially in response to Prince William’s actions?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/19/AR2008011901869.html
I’m thinking of proposing to the board of supervisors the use of county funds to procure a moving van that would make daily trips from Manassas to Mount Ranier, MD.
Make Pedro’s dreams come true!
Wow everyone, check out this letter to the editor.
I wonder why he did not tell us one reason why she would make a great President.
http://www.manassasjm.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=MJM%2FMGArticle%2FWPN_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173354269988&path=!opinion
The whole state of Maryland is a sanctuary for illegals!
COM, not words COM. You have misspelled my name at least 3-4 times. After so many times it seems deliberate. But never mind.
You said liberals want to take it easy on liberals. That is a bizarre sentence to say the least.
Federal and state judges have written extensively of the problems that occur with mandatory sentencing laws, whether three strikes or others. I agree with them. You don’t. I called it a formula because that is how such judges view it. Many are not what you would call liberals either.
As I said, I am not against life without parole. But as the saying goes, “death is different.” If you are fine with the idea that innocents may get executed (or already have been) despite the appeals system, which works very differently in each of the 38 DP states, then you clearly have a different moral viewpoint than I do. There has been case after case where prosecutors have fought allowing any post-conviction DNA testing because their own mistakes would be shown up. There is case after case in which prosecutorial malfeasance in suppressing exculpatory evidence has been discovered. It is by no means automatic that prosecutors will cooperate in the revisiting of cases despite the large number of people declared innocent via DNA or other evidence.
I think life without parole is sufficient and it allows for exposure of the many mistakes of the system. And again, I care about the DP’s history in the US and know a lot about it. It was routinely used for crimes other than murder, even in the 20th century. It is a horrific history, full of class and racial bias.
From what we just saw on this list, it was a conservative who brought up upbringing as blame. If upbringing is not an excuse, it is also not a reason for blame, correct? I believe in individual responsibility. But I also believe in laws you apparently don’t agree with.
Has anyone looked down in the pit lately at the construction site at Yorkshire elementary? Do you think our supervisors really enshured that all of those contractors, subcontractors, and piece workers;( Independant personal private contractors who pay no tax what so ever and recieve no ot or unemployment and are usualy illegal and hard to trace) are not illegal immagrants? They are going to jack our tax rate up so they can send the cops on a 15million dollar junket. If they are ignorant of their inabilities to track the labor force at a public works site under their juristriction, The cheap labor buiseness loby has won again folks. If the contracting officer recieves nice clean forms filled out by the contractor with compliance statement signed and the general contractors employes listed all must be good to the ignorance is bliss Board of Supervisors. THERE ARE NO ACCURATE CHECkS AND BALANCES on that job site being inudatedwith illegal immigrats. THE General Contractor has no control with his blind eye on who his subcontractors and their piece workers bring in. Why not Corey Stewart That grandstanding rebublican con artist go check on the immigration at that job site? BECAUSE THE DEVELOPERS and GENERAL CONTRACTORS HAVE PAID him and his cronies off with campaign cash!!!!! GOOD luck american people in finding american citizens working on that project, maybe in the heated trailors. Freedom high was built the same way. After all this immigration stuff it is still business as usual.
Leila:
Number one–I really DIDN’T mean you have nothing of value to say. I’m talking to you, aren’t I?
Most entertainers are lefties. I also like Buzzcocks and The Clash, among others.
Citizen of Manassas: I mispell all the time or leave words out. Tough.
Hmmm: I’ve been challenged plenty, thank you very much. Anyone who survives the public schools and higher education has been bombarded with lefty harrangues. It just makes us stronger.
Leila,
You obviously did not see my follow up post where I corrected the sentence regarding liberals want to take it easy on liberals.
You are the one who has issues with laws, since you support illegals and their law breaking.
You simply cannot explain away why libs want to take it easy on criminals.
Monticup,
I like the Discovery Channel also. PBS has had some great shows also though. To each his/her own though. I don’t listen to radio. Too much trouble.
IT,
I HATE NCLB. It is an invention of the devil, to quote my mother.
Monticup,
You need to direct your spelling anger at Leila, not me, since she is the one calling me out for bad spelling.
WE just learn to question the general assumption and what we are told. We dont go along with the crowd because we dont belong to evangelical ideological conservatism that is destroying the nation by snuffing out free thought and out of the box thinking. Come on man do yo really buy that man and dinosauer creationist garbage that those churchs pump down the ignorants and kids throats as te truth? I deal with the creator on my own way and it is my own business just as our founding fathers did.
When you have children having anxiety attacks over an SOL test, terrified if they fail their educational path is ruined, there are clearly issues!
COM, I know it is strange, positively bizarre, but somehow I feel laws that deal with convictions for murder and the death penalty to be of more pressing concern to me than the federal misdemeanor of crossing the border (first offense).
I know from our previous discussions that you have never ever broken a law, with the exception of speeding a tiny bit. You know, a Mother Teresa level of delicate speeding. You are one of the incredibly unusual adult Americans who never drank a drop of alcohol before you were of age, never had sex before marriage in Virginia, never tried a cigarette under age, etc. Most of us can’t say the same thing.
That said, I do not support “illegals.” I see major problems with the current situation, but I also see major problems with the solutions most of you favor. I see practical problems, moral problems, legal problems, etc. I see ways in which your solutions threaten our Constitution.
I also consistently see wildly inaccurate information on this blog regarding illegal aliens, their numbers, their typical lives, their percentage in the population of violent criminals, their origins, their morals, their role in the US economy and tax system, etc.
I am in favor of a solution that will be feasible and humane. I don’t think for a minute that the real issue is illegality however. If tomorrow all of the illegal aliens in PWC were made legal, most of what you all complain about would still be the case. Plus what most of you complain about are the same things that were said about the Ellis Island generation of working-class immigrants in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. It’s almost word for word.
COM, I wasn’t calling you out for bad spelling. Jeez, if I were to spend time on bad spelling on this blog it would mean typing post after post for hours. We all make typos, may make grammatical errors. I may cringe when I see all the BVBL people who consistently type it’s for its or add apostrophes in simple plurals (illegal’s anyone?) but it’s a waste of time to worry about it. I simply noticed that 3-4-5 times you misspelled my name when you had not had that problem before. A name. That is it. Not misspelling words. Feel free. Please. Everyone else does.
If tomorrow all of the illegal aliens in PWC were made legal, most of what you all complain about would still be the case.
Leila,
That would be amnesty, and NO THANK YOU!!
Remember, ILLEGAL ALIENS have violated our federal immigration laws making them criminals. There’s a legal process in place and that’s legal immigration. Any and all legal immigrants are welcome to come live the American dream. Key word there AMERICAN.
Do you live in Tejada territory?
PS: I just made a typo myself. It should have read “many make” of course.
Leila,
Why would you add the comment that I must be having a rough night if you were not calling out my bad spelling?
Of course illegals break more then just one law, while here. Not paying taxes, working, using stolen ids, driving without license, etc. But, of course, you will just keep coming up with more excuses for them. Humane is deporting under current laws so that they can be rejoined with their family members they left behind, afterall, we have been told by their supporters illegals are the only ones concerned with family and supporting their families. Being humane is putting pressure on Mexico and other Nations that supply us with illegals to enact real economic reforms in order to create jobs so their Citizens do not have to come here illegally. Being humane is to crack down on illegals in order to crack down on overcrowding which is not a positive environment to raise kids.
I don’t understand why you libs(Novascout is another example) say you are proud to be such, yet y’all never give short solid answers to any questions, and spend a lot of time attempting to smoke screen everyone into believing you really are not liberal.
I have no problems saying I am against illegals, not just a little, not just a bit, not in certain situations, but in all cases all the time. How hard was that?
I would suggest a Nation without laws is neither moral or ethical.
Lafayette, I am pretty sure I have made it clear that I know what laws they have violated being here illegally. Crossing the border is a federal misdemeanor. It becomes a felony if repeated. Plus there are the laws that some of them violate in the course of getting employment. I assume from what you said that you view all violation of laws (including misdemeanors) as being grounds for calling people criminals. If so, I think you would be hard pressed to find many native-born Virginians who are not criminals, COM excepted of course.
As for amnesty, I was actually just proposing a thought experiment, not a policy in what I wrote. I was only saying that if magically they became legal, many of the same issues you complain of would remain. The corn would not magically disappear from yards, for example. The overcrowded housing would continue.
I am happy to see that you are a fan of immigration for “any and all” legal immigrants. Groups like FAIR et al certainly are not. I would agree with you and I would like to see legal immigration greatly expanded and expedited.
Amnesty would obviously make many Americans furious, even all the BVBLers who treat that previously hallucinating president of ours as a Republican god. I have other ideas for a solution.
Re. “Tejada territory,” i have written about living in Arlington a lot, so the answer is yes. Though Board Chairman Tejada is a very unassuming type. It isn’t as though he stalks Wilson Blvd. with a crown and sceptor bonking Arlingtonians as he goes. I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure there is an entire County board with several members who agree with him on immigrant issues. Incredible.
How funny it is that Tejada feels Virginia is not immigrant friendly. I’d like to know how a State that is unfriendly to immigrants has a County chairman who happens to be an immigrant, at least one House of Delegate member who is an immigrant.
I meant a rough night on remembering names COM. For some strange reason, it was never a problem for you before. So I noticed. Like I said, if I chose to obsess about spelling and grammar on BVBL, it would be a full-time job and it isn’t a priority.
We can deport the illegal aliens (although of course it won’t and can’t happen). But what do we do with all the Americans who commit misdemeanors or break other laws and can’t be deported? If it is applied retroactively, you will be so lonely COM. You will be virtually the only Virginian not locked up.
Exactly where have I said I was proud to be a liberal or anything else? Where are such words? You appear to view people who are ideologically different from you as totally interchangeable.
Two locally elected immigrant officials (by your count) equals friendliness across the state? Just think how applying that sort of logic would rewrite American political history!
Tejada’s election has everything to do with Arlington politics and little to do with the tenor of the state.
monticup,
The Buzzcocks 1989 reunion tour. The old F ST 930 Club. What fun.
Charlotte hmmm defined a “liberal mind” as one “open to trying to understand the different sides of an issue.” That’s actually the definition of an “open mind,” but if he wants to call it a “liberal mind,” OK….there ARE actually open minds among both liberals and conservatives (I still don’t see how you can define either one nowadays). His way of referring to “liberal” takes it out of the political realm anyway.
In terms of extremists, there are numerous examples. I’ll just pick one for each:
Right wing extremist: A self-righteous zealot who believes his/her beliefs are God’s will, and anyone who does not believe precisely as they do is evil…so the end justifies the means. (This easily applies to both Christians and Muslims)
Left wing extremist: A self-righteous zealot who believes that everything is theirs by right, regardless of who must pay or who it might hurt, as long as they get what they want and nobody has any more than they do. (”Open borders” people, particularly your radicals like the Zapatistas and Mechistas, can easily fall into this group…although many have their own agenda.)
Both will occasionally pay lip service to the rule of law (although they may call it something else), but only if those laws suit them. Both, in my opinion, are equally dangerous.
Leila,
I am curious about this statement of yours:
“I would like to see legal immigration greatly expanded and expedited.”
Many questions come to mind, but the first and most obvious question; why?
Here’s a great letter to the editor regarding the PWC Human Rights Commission’s Sub-Committee. Maureen Wood attended all of these meeetings, and I only missed two of these meetings. What a complete and total farce that Sub-Committee was.
http://www.manassasjm.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=MJM%2FMGArticle%2FWPN_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173354301192&path=!opinion
I, too, attended one of these meetings and it was a joke!
I also read the HRC Report in its entirety and it was a total farce. The HRC report did not include one fact relevant to what is happening here in PWC.
Bridget,
I am not speaking for Leilah but I would like to see immigration reform. Why? Our current laws are out-dated do not reflect our national economic needs. For example, we need many more low skilled laborers than we have legally in this country. News flash: the average welfare recipient doesn’t want to relocate to Florida to pick tomatoes. However, those tomatoes need picking. Just an example. We also need skilled workers also.
CitizenofManassas said on 21 Jan 2008 at 6:59 pm
You are exactly right. As I have said, there is a black miss usa, but there can not be a white miss usa. There is BET, but you can bet there will never be a white entertainment tv station. The reverse racism is getting old.
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# FHL said on 21 Jan 2008 at 7:06 pm:
Illegal immigrants DO NOT get public assistance benefits of any kind!!!!!!!!!. Wonder where some of you get your information, probably from some know it all idiot who thinks he/she knows the facts. Easier to make them up than to check them out.
Some of the comments I have read today are just frightening. Sounds like some of you are reincarnations from Nazi Germany!
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You are correct, they do not, BUT their anchor babies do, which goes directly to them. What part of ILLEGAL do you not understand?
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anon #32 said on 21 Jan 2008 at 7:12 pm:
You are correct and I apologize. I misread the comment.
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Lafayette said on 21 Jan 2008 at 7:45 pm:
I have noticed the decrease in bikes, but I am wondering if the weather has anything to do with that. I think they are getting wise to the ideas of loitering in front of the stores. Letting people off in the middle of the parking ot doesn’t seem as obvious now does it? I have noticed the laundromat around the corner of the shopping center is SLOWWWW! Something is working since we can see the decrease in numbers. Traffic was too bad for me to take notice at the 7-11 behind the pizza hut this morning.
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West Gate Witch said on 21 Jan 2008 at 7:55 pm:
So true!! Somehow the Nazi Germany comes to mind. I can not see how these 2 events are the same. I would LOVE for FHL to explain that one to me so I can understand.
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CJC said on 21 Jan 2008 at 9:39 pm:
They feel that because they do not go directly to the welfare office they do not get assistance. They seem to forget the ancillary services you just mentioned!!!
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monticup said on 21 Jan 2008 at 9:39 pm:
I know you asked es, but I feel it is because they want to be able to go back and say they were beat up so other liberals can help them lick their wounds and feel better about themselves for doing so.
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dolph said on 21 Jan 2008 at 9:46 pm:
Welcome back, I knew you couldn’t stay out of this end of the pool!! I miss your splashes!
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Hmmm… said on 21 Jan 2008 at 9:50 pm
When something is presented that is worth it to me to make a change in my belief, I have done so, but until all ILLEGAL aliens are deported as criminals, then there won’t be much.
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Leila,
This is too easy……”As for issues of responsibility, I do hold people responsible for their actions.”
Then why don’t you have a problem with people who have broken the law coming here ILLEGALLY?
Leila said on 21 Jan 2008 at 11:37 pm:
COM, I know it is strange, positively bizarre, but somehow I feel laws that deal with convictions for murder and the death penalty to be of more pressing concern to me than the federal misdemeanor of crossing the border (first offense).
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Problem here Leila, SOME of those crossing become your criminals that require the life without parole sentences.
I also consistently see wildly inaccurate information on this blog regarding illegal aliens, their numbers, their typical lives, their percentage in the population of violent criminals, their origins, their morals, their role in the US economy and tax system, etc.
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Then by all means provide us with your statistics and references. The facts presented here have been backed with evidence. You are more than welcome to do the same.
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If tomorrow all of the illegal aliens in PWC were made legal, most of what you all complain about would still be the case.
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I am glad you presume to know what we would do. If they became LEGAL, then they would have to pay their fair share to get along in the community. They would not be a drain, but would be helping to pay for the services they use. I personally do not have an issue with LEGAL immigrants because they pay their fair share. I personally have an issue of paying taxes for people who do not work and pay their own fair share. People are getting tired of paying their share and others. Once the ILLEGAL aliens start to pay their fair share, which is not just sales tax, but INCOME tax and their employers are paying their fair share of tax for them as well, then we will have nothing more to complain about. I see it as a free ride and I am tired of pulling the wagon.
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OV,
No child should have to have a panic attack before a test!!
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anon #32 said on 21 Jan 2008 at 7:12 pm:
You are correct. I misread the post. I am sorry. As faras the list, I have no quarrel apologizing when I am wrong so let them prove me as such.
FHL said on 21 Jan 2008 at 7:23 pm:
Charlotte,
What you say is true. They have told me I do not know what it is like to live in their neighborhoods but I do live in a neighborhood with hispanics. I never checked their papers so if they are illegal I do not know that and I have never had any problems in my neighborhood. Doubt if any of them ever checked status of those in their neighborhoods. I also think they do a fair amount of blowing things out of proportion.
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I don’t suppose you have seen the pictures posted here huh?
Lafayette said on 21 Jan 2008 at 7:45 pm:
I Have noticed that the bikes have decreased, but I blame the weather for that. Ice is hard to ride on. The laundromat around to the side is VERY SLOWWWWW now. Something is working and it will continue with the self deportation process. It makes sense to let them off in the parking lot as it gives the appearance of everyone commuting to work from a centralized location. They (employers) are getting smarter.
Loudon,
I also read the report and I am astounded that you do not see its relevance to PWC. A historical overview is, in fact, imperative to understanding the dilema that faces certain communities today. The complaints that people have regarding the change in their neighborhoods absolutely reflects the impact that all large waves of immigrants had in previous generations. PBS just had a documentary on the immigration of jews to the U.S. in the early 1900’s and the living conditions were identical to the housing issues immigrants, whether legal or illegal face today. They were primarily uneducated and found themselves working in low skilled labor jobs for little money. I really do not understand the resistance by so many to remain ignorant of the past regarding immigration and its impact on the American culture, past and present. I suggested that AWCheney read a report done by the Council on Foreign Relations, a very credible non partisan organziation, founded in the early 1920’s. This is not an easy read but this is not a simple issue, http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/ImmigrationCSR26.pdf
The basic finding is that there is no credible net loss to the presence of “illegal” immigrants, that although there are issues that need to be addressed, attempting to put in place a process for deportation of million of people and building a fence will then CREATE a huge net loss for all citizens. That there is an economic need for unskilled labor and that the solutions to immigration is a reform package that addressed the nuances of our current situation.
Leila said on 21 Jan 2008 at 11:37 pm:
I also consistently see wildly inaccurate information on this blog regarding illegal aliens, their numbers, their typical lives, their percentage in the population of violent criminals, their origins, their morals, their role in the US economy and tax system, etc.
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Please provide evidence contradicting the facts which are linked to on this blog. You may find that you can see the path when the facts light the way.
Leila said on 22 Jan 2008 at 12:03 am:
The problem is people are tired of the ILLEGALS not paying their fair share. Sales tax is not their fair share. INCOME tax is. I am tired of paying for services being used by ILLEGALS and others on welfare. It is like a free ride and I am tired of pulling the wagon. Once the employers start paying their fair share and the ILLEGALS become LEGAL and start paying their fair share, you will probably see 90% of the problems surrounding the ILLEGAL invasion go away.
One Voice,
No child should have a panic attack because of a NCLB test. That is not what any parent would want and I am sure that was not the intention of the program. NCLB is broke and will not be fixed until the DOE realizes it. They can’t realize it until it is properly funded.
Dolph,
Good to see you back. I missed your splashies!!!
Dolph,
My response to that is then they do not need welfare. We have a job for you and this is where you will work if you wish to continue any type of assistance. Of course they have to be able to work.
NCLB stands a very good chance of not being reauthorized. I refuse to believe it is here to stay, regardless of what the nay-sayers spout. It will not be up to DOEd, it will be up to Congress. Now that is a scary thought…DOEd/Congress. DOEd/Congress. Shudder.
~~shudder~~ splash~~
independent thinker said on 22 Jan 2008 at 10:01 am:
The difference today is the fact that welfare and public assistance exists. This is a drain on tax payers. There are tax payers having problems buying gas to get back and forth to work so they can be taxed to pay for benefits of those here ILLEGALLY.
The old mule is getting tired of pulling the cart while more weight is placed on it. One of these days, real soon, the mule is going to just sit and not move anymore. It would be in everyone’s best interest to start reducing the load on the mule.
The employers need to be faced with penalties. The report, which I skimmed, seems to make it seem as if there is no choice but to have these ILLEGAL aliens here. I am willing to bet that many of those on the street would love to have a job. If the employer can hire the ILLEGAL for pennies on the dollar, doesn’t that make them the new slave class? I didn’t see any reference to the amount money spent on services they take, again, I do not have the time to read the entire report as I skimmed it. If it is there, please provide it.
I know the amount has been reported and documented for CA. It is in the billions. I am curious to know how many eats in the school system are taken by ILLEGAL aliens and if the overcrowding problem would be as bad if they were not here. Seems the need to build a school right this minute, which would take 2-3 years to complete anyway, would be needed right away.
how many SEATS in the school system
Immigration Enforcement left out of County Budget
WaPo Article
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/21/AR2008012102168.html?hpid=sec-metro
Medic,
alvey elementary,serving western haymarket, having opened only three years ago I believe, is overcrowded. One cannot blame that on illegal immigrants.
independent thinker said on 22 Jan 2008 at 10:01 am:
The problem I can see about this report is they are using late 1990’s data as a reference. Do you think the economic world today is the same it was in the late 90’s?
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Page 23 of the report states:
When considering reforms to U.S. immigration policy, it is not the total effect of immigration on the U.S. economy that matters but the impact of the immigrants who would be affected by the changes currently being considered in U.S. admission and enforcement policies. The immigrants that account for the negative fiscal impact of
immigration in California and the United States as a whole are primarily individuals with low skill levels. This group includes legal immigrants (most of whom presumably entered the country on family-based immigration visas) and illegal immigrants. The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), a think tank that advocates reducing immigration, has recently applied the NRC methodology to estimate the fiscal impact of illegal immigration. The CIS finds that in 2002 illegal immigrants on net received $10 billion more in government benefits than they paid in taxes, a value equal to 0.1 percent of U.S.
GDP in that year.(44)
(44) Camarota, The High Cost of Cheap Labor. The CIS estimates that in 2002 households headed by illegal immigrants paid taxes equal to $16 billion and imposed costs on the government equal to $26.3 billion. In that year, U.S. GDP was $10.47 trillion.
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The report seems to be including LEGAL immigrants and ILLEGAL aliens while offering its proof. I am interested to see the numbers with just ILLEGAL aliens.
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The expenditures on border enforcement (more than 0.1 percent of GDP) are already greater than the fiscal benefits of reducing illegal immigration (less than 0.1 percent of GDP). This is not to say border and interior enforcement should be ignored.
Existing legislative proposals also contain provisions to redirect funds toward expanding the electronic verification of employee eligibility and reassigning border patrol personnel to locations where their presence may be a greater deterrent to illegal entry. These or
other reallocations of existing spending may be effective in reducing illegal immigration.
Currently, U.S. employers, by virtue of asking workers for identification at the time of their hiring, can plausibly deny having knowingly hired illegal immigrants. A system of electronic verification would potentially eliminate plausible deniability, placing a greater
burden on employers to screen out workers who are unauthorized for employment. But by any measure, halting illegal immigration is likely to be a net drain on the U.S. economy.
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How can this be when the increase of income taxes will be seen by hiring LEGAL residents? I am having a hard time seeing their point when they state the ILLEGAL aliens take more than they give, but say the removal of them will have a negative effect?
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Medic: The bottom line is that the Dems see the illegal aliens as potential voters.
They don’t care about the crime, the gangs, the degradation of our country, and our loss of soverignity. They just want a permanent majority. A person on the receiving end of government largesse will NEVER vote to end his benefits and therefore will always vote Democrat.
independent thinker said on 22 Jan 2008 at 10:50 am:
No, that can most likely be blamed on poor planning on their part. That seems to be the Gov’t way, lets make plans to solve todays problems, which will take 5 years or more to implement, which do not solve the problems because they are 5 years behind.
IT:
All of the elementary schools in the Linton Hall corridor and western portion of the county are at or over capacity. Several have trailers.
Leila,
OK, gotcha on the spelling issue.
I said why don’t you say you are proud to be a liberal? Stop beating around the bush and come and say it.
Yes, we can deport criminals, and we should. Or would you just do away with such a law even with immigration “reform”?
We punish people for breaking the law, you seem to not want illegals to be held to the same laws and standards. Of course we can’t deport Citizens, unless it is discovered they obtained their Citizenship by fraud.
Illegal aliens do not belong in the Country, that is why we have deportation laws, and because they are in a constant state of breaking the law–their status is always illegal. Add the fact they break many other laws while here, and you will understand why your attempts to compare illegals to Citizens is just silly and stupid. Have you noticed the jail population in this Nation keeps going up? Could that be because as a Nation we punish criminals?
If a Citizen speeds and is caught, they pay the fine and move on, since they have paid the price for their law breaking. If they choose to break the law again, they risk getting caught again. Also, if they continue to get caught speeding, they will be subjected to having their license taken away. However, they are not in a constant state of breaking the law, just when they speed. As I said above, illegals are always breaking the law, since they are here illegally.
Virginia is not anti-immigrant, and for those that support illegals to say otherwise is wrong and an attempt to paint anyone as being against illegals to be against all immigrants.
monticup said on 22 Jan 2008 at 11:17 am:
Medic: The bottom line is that the Dems see the illegal aliens as potential voters.
They don’t care about the crime, the gangs, the degradation of our country, and our loss of soverignity. They just want a permanent majority. A person on the receiving end of government largesse will NEVER vote to end his benefits and therefore will always vote Democrat.
Very true.
monticup said on 22 Jan 2008 at 11:17 am:
I have stated that very thing on this blog MANY times. Once the nanny state and welfare are removed, there will be progress.
Alexandrianagainstillegals said on 22 Jan 2008 at 10:48 am:
Immigration Enforcement left out of County Budget
WaPo Article
Few county residents use some of those services, according to a staff analysis. Other programs, such as limiting business license applications, will require a labor-intensive process to determine the legal status of individuals using them.
What is so labor-intensive about checking a person’s SSN to see if they are legal? No SSN, NO BENEFITS! As stated in the article, “Few county residents use some of those services.” It’s not like it’s the DMV!
CitizenofManassas said on 22 Jan 2008 at 11:52 am:
You are exactly right, but unfortunately those here will not accept it since they sympathize with the ILLEGAL alien population. I don’t know about you, but I am tired of pulling the free ride wagon.
independent thinker said on 22 Jan 2008 at 10:50 am:
alvey elementary,serving western haymarket, having opened only three years ago I believe, is overcrowded. One cannot blame that on illegal immigrants.
On what do you base your facts that the overcrowding in not due to illegal aliens? They pour over the southern border on a daily basis. To my knowledge, illegal aliens did not stop crossing the border three years ago.
Re: legal immigration
USA lets more people in legally each year than all other countries combined.
In 2006 we gave legal status to 1.2 million people.
We have a flawed immigration system to the 1965 immigration act which puts family ties above anything else and puts no limits. (a cousin with no skills can get in just because he has distant family here legally). .
Why do you want more legal immigrants?
How do you think legal immigrants help the citizens of this country?
As I see it…
Immigrants increase the population, which strains our natural resources and energy independence. Our population would be stable/constant now if we didnt have such massive immigration.
A smaller population is better for the environment - accepting fewer immigrants puts more pressure on other crowded countries to deal with their population growth in a responsible manner.
A smaller population per area increases prosperity for those here - fewer people competing for the same resources.
Immigrants reduce wages, which helps corporations, but hurts native born citizens.
Conclusion.
This nation was built by immigrants, immigrants who accepted law and order, rejected oppression, welcomed personal liberty and freedom, and rejected unfair taxation. I welcome an immigration policy that is fair to the citizens of the US - the current policy is only good to immigrants and corporations, but hurts the majority of the US population. I think we need to drastically reduce legal immigration to those who really deserve to be here and want to be here. I also think we need a cap on immigrants, and should be much less than 1 million a year.
Vigilante, what?
Last time I checked, the demorgraphics in western haymarket are fairly homogeneuos. Let me clarify my point for you. If Alvey elementary, located in the high end Dominion Valley Subdivision is experiencing overcrowding in such a brief period of time, IT IS NOT DUE to illegal immigrants. Western Haymarket and Gainesville ,for that matter ,are lacking in diversity, not a plus from my perspective.
independent thinker,
Perhapts OT, but your idea of diversity does not equal my idea of diversity.
Are you suggesting that each school, everywhere, has to be a microcosim of the world’s population, or the USA’s population?
Would that make all the schools basically the same, hence removing diversity?
What is the goal of making sure all races are represented in certain proportions in all schools? Is it to make sure we all get along? If that is the case (tell me if I’m off base) then I think we have a better chance of getting along if we respect each other, but have an ability to keep our lives seperate. That in my opinion will preserve diversity.
We should encourage respect for all, equal rights for all, but I strongly disagree that all communities have to have certain percentages of different races - that will eliminate diversity, and make everywhere the same.
Alex,
Hmmm, not quite sure how to respond to the premise of ” keep our lives seperate” perspective to promoting a healthier society, that smacks of a long ago held false belief that seperate was equal. Furthermore, I did not give a required percentage for each race in order to ensure the diversity, but Haymarket is clearly lacking in that department.
Independent,
I have to run, but I’ll leave you with this clarification on what I said.
I have nothing against communities with several different races (I live in one and I could have moved long ago if I didnt like it!)
Im just saying that if, IF, some people desire to live among a certain group of people exclusively, is that “wrong” as long as they respect the rights of all and treat everyone with the same respect?
(i.e. if a black person wants to live in a black community is that morally wrong of them?)
64,
I think a lot of people are pissed off. Once you start to add up the general lawlessness of illegals the list is pretty long.
COM,
Yep it is, form another thread posted to you:
# /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 22 Jan 2008 at 2:17 pm:
COM,
Hence my comment about smaller crimes leading to larger ones.
First, entering the country ILLEGALLY, nothing done about it.
Second, taking others property, nothing done about it.
Third, loitering to work ILLEGALLY, nothing done about it.
This is truly the land of opportunity since there are many opportunities to break the law and have nothing done about it.
FOX News just reported that Fred Thompson will announce his withdrawal from the race this afternoon….
What are we going to do about this?
http://www.newswithviews.com/NWV-News/news27.htm
Probably nothing which will only embolden the people participating. They will keep pushing until they can walk freely up to 2 miles inside the border.
mcr,
I heard that Monday evening. It will be a great loss to the race.
Tell me again that ILLEGAL aliens are not costing us money:
Data on health care costs for illegal immigrants are sketchy because hospitals and community health centers don’t ask about patients’ legal status. In California, a 2004 study by the Federation for American Immigration Reform put the state’s annual cost at $1.4 billion. Similar studies in Colorado and Minnesota in 2005 came up with much smaller estimates: $31 million and $17 million, respectively.
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At the state and local level, illegal immigrants already cost more in public services such as education and health care than they pay in taxes, the Congressional Budget Office reported recently. Illegal immigrants make up less than 5% of the cost in most states, but closer to 10% in some California counties. In 2000, counties along the Mexican border lost more than $800 million in health care services for which they were not paid; about 25% of that went to care for illegal immigrants, according to a report by the United States/Mexico Border Counties Coalition.
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-01-21-immigrant-healthcare_N.htm
Dear Mr. XXXXXX,
Thank you for your letter regarding E-Verify.
While you are not one of our constituents, we appreciate your contacting us. Delegate Shannon welcomes the opportunity to hear from all Virginians.
Best Regards,
Mary Dotson
Legislative Aide to Delegate Steve Shannon
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I just got this in response to the email I sent from the Old Dominion site. This is the 6th one I have received.
Alexandrian…. at 12:38 pm - 1.6 million immigrants is an impressive number. However, should you figure out the per capita ratio, it’s not all that great. In 2005 the EU had an overall net gain of +1.8 million people. Canada has the highest per capita net immigration rate in the world; the majority come from Asia. Since 2000 Spain has absorbed ca 4 million immigrants; a great deal from North Africa.
If that pesky Atlantic ocean weren’t in the way, we’d see lots of Europeans, especially from former Iron Curtain countries.
Krusty,
I wonder what the immigration rate is into Jordan from Iraq? I guess we don’t care much about that though since their humanitarian crisis doesn’t affect us here.
Dolph,
The immigration industry should be paying you agent fees for advertising for immigration and the people who profit by it.
I would ask for evidence of your assertions - not just the old argument by repetition “We need immigrants - without them crops will rot on the vine” line I’ve heard a thousand times before.
We are not needy, helpless, dependant children. Unless we choose to be.
When we become dependant on imported foreign labor, we are not developing our own people or inovative methods of doing what needs to be done.
Once upon a time, certain industries decried the abolishnent of slavery with “Who is going to pick the cotten!” Then it was the “How can I run my factory without workers!” outcry when child labor laws came into play.
Importing immigrants lowers the value of labor, depresses wages and benefits, as well as working conditions.
I, for one, find it perverse that our current system encourages foreigners to abandon their homes to work in the U.S. , often under substandard conditions and for cut rate wages. Are we so needy and selfish as to assume other nations don’t need their own highly skilled?
http://www.vdare.com/letters/tl_122807.htm
Independent - Touche! Bet Jordan beats Canada, easily, at this time. It’s a sad situation.
Bridget,
Once again, you are describing the story of every immigrant! I truly cannot fathom how so many people here do not know the history of the American immigration story. If you are so concerned about the inhumanity of it all, why aren’t YOU advocating an overhaul of our immigration system to deal with the reality before us.
Krusty,
Few responses
1) just because some other countries have accepted a higher rate of immigrants as a ratio of the total population and they havent literally imploded you assume it must have worked out just fine?
I know just a little about spain, but many in Canada are very upset with their current immigration policies and how its affected life in Canada - please take a look into that.
2) Regarding more immigrants from ‘iron curtain’ countries - do you view that as a good or bad thing? I couldnt tell what your point was about that. Came across to me as a general statement.
In summary to your statement - you are correct that as a ratio of total population other countries have a greater ratio than the USA. However based on the research I’ve done, those countries now have increasing tensions, a percieved decrease in quality of life - directly due to excessive immigration. Islamic immigration in europe, asian immigration and islamic immigration in Canada.
While you think the example of Canada, Europe, etc supports our current immigration levels and policy - I disagree, and I think it supports exactly the opposite.
Bridget,
Foreigners have been coming to the US since the inception of our country to do work. I don’t know what to tell you. What you find perverse are the underpinnings of our country’s growth.
Moving beyond that, our country’s education system strives for high school graduation as the baseline, not an ideal. What high school graduate wants to go pick tomatoes? Even the 10th grade drop outs think they are too good to pick tomatoes.
On the upper end, there are skills our country simply needs and isn’t producing. Fine chefs, Cirque du Soleil performers, foreign language masters all come to mind.
I would far prefer to see immigrants entering the country who are needed. If we reform our laws, let in who we need, that cuts down on the illegal aspect. I do not think you can have it both way. If you don’t like illegal entry, then make it possible for people to legally come here. There are plenty of people out there willing to do some pretty menial labor for the American dream.
dolph,
We already have laws to allow those we need into the US. H2 visas have to be sponsored by companies. These are visas that allow higher educated people into the US, however, there is not a good mechanism for the ILLEGALS. My guess would be because they are here already. If penalties are enforced for employers that break the law by hiring them, it might help push for better immigration laws for the lower end employees.
That should be H1-B visas not H2.
This seems news worthy:
http://www.newswithviews.com/NWV-News/news27.htm
/\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award),
To go along with your news story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TyNyov9SWA
/\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 22 Jan 2008 at 10:06 am:
One Voice,
No child should have a panic attack because of a NCLB test. That is not what any parent would want and I am sure that was not the intention of the program. NCLB is broke and will not be fixed until the DOE realizes it. They can’t realize it until it is properly funded.
I don’t recall making this comment. Perhaps you have confused me with someone else, someone you think worthy of your attention. I am the person you have pointed out to numerous posters over and over again that should be ignored due to various things you have concluded about me. Please, continue to ignore me, that works well for me. Regarding your pointing me out over and over again, continue if you wish apparently that is a need you have.
Bill Clinton “Has a Dream”
just for fun check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4zgXVdSG_k
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Jan22/0,4670,VietnamUSImmigration,00.html
Why? ‘Cause Viet Nam wouldn’t take their own citizens back. Sound like Sonora State, Mexico?
IT, Dolph,
Traditionaly, America has only admitted immigrants on a as-needed basis.
Once, and only once in our history - during the Ellis Island time slot - did the U.S. sway from that tradition.
The Ellis Island era ended for a variety of reason. May I suggest you do your homework regarding it’s demise. I’ll give you a hint … the vast numbers were causing a great deal of strife … a case of too much of a good thing can prove problematic. And if you compare the numbers then with what we are facing, Ellis Island was a blip on the radar.
What I advocate for is the recognition of the inhumanity of burdening the U.S. taxpaying citizen with the economic and social burdens of out of control immigration. Maybe this will clarify my views a bit better:
http://www.commonsenseonmassimmigration.us/articles/art_tanton.html
http://www.commonsenseonmassimmigration.us/index.html
We are producing plenty of fine chefs, Dolph. And as my youngest sibling - a CIA (Culinary Institute of America) grad and super fine chef would tell you, the CIA curriculum is extremely rigorous and the culinary field is highly competitive. There is no American chef shortage.
Cirque de Soleil performers? The London Symphony Orchestra? A Chinese Opera troup? Olympic athletes?
Not to worry. Visas available for guest performers. They come, do their gig, get paid( by someone here or at home depending on the venue) and go home. Marvelous. (Thing is, I know a lovely gal who toured with the Cirque back in 1992. A gymnast, from Canada, who now lives in Quebec with the hubby and three kids.)
None of these qualify as immigrants. .. more akin to tourists, who also have visa availability.
Dolph,
We have guest worker programs in place that will allow immigrants to come here to help fill positions. What we do not need are for illegals to come to take jobs that Americans will do and have done for as long as there has been a Nation here, and even before that. We also do not need to import labor for the sake of cheap labor.
Bridget and Com,
Show me one place where I advocate illegal workers being brought in. You will not find it. I advocate restructuring our immigration laws so we can bring people in that business needs, LEGALLY.
Bridget, I am sorry, but French chefs, by definition, aren’t grown in the United States. Cirque du Soleil performers aren’t trained in the United States. We need people here for longer than most Visas allow.
We do not train our young people to take on low skill jobs and we do not give them the mind set to do so either. Lets throw this one out:
Who will do the maid work, the janitorial work, shuck the oysters, pick the tomatoes, pick the crabs? What courses are we offering that prepare our young people for these jobs? I do not know of a high school in the nation that sets its goal as 8th grade education.
Our current laws are 20 plus years old and do not reflect current needs of employers, according to most business sources.
Dolph,
I never said you wanted to bring in illegals. What I said is that we do not need to bring in cheap labor for the sake of cheap labor. We need to have sensible immigration laws but not to the point where it is taking jobs away from Americans. With you last post, you are starting to sound like an elitist. There are plenty of Americans who do those types of jobs. Do you do any traveling at all? I have done extensive travel in just about every section of the Country over the last ten years, and I can say I have seen many(the majority in fact) Americans in exactly those types of jobs. Not every teenager has rich parents that can and will provide for their every need. Not every person has a college degree.
In fact, it is almost a culture shock to stop in a fast food restaurant anywhere in the South and in Western PA. So, before you continue to insult American workers, you should step back and think again.
Get this to the MD people
Audit: 52K receiving aid lack valid SSN’s
http://www.examiner.com/a-1097830~Audit__52K_receiving_food_stamps_lack_valid_social_security_numbers.html
Here is another case of a worker selling licenses to illegals. She just happens to have same ethnic last name as the DC worker who was busted last week for doing the same thing.
http://blogs.tampabay.com/breakingnews/2008/01/ex-tax-worker-g.html
COM,
You said, “What we do not need are for illegals to come to take jobs that Americans will do and have done for as long as there has been a Nation here, and even before that.” Sorry, I interpreted this to mean you thought I want to bring illegals in since I am the one who brought up immigration.
No, I have never ever been north of Bull Run. Snicker. What does travel have to do with any of this other than I can pull out my itineraries and blow and crow about how well traveled I am.
Interestingly enough, many places outside of metropolitan areas import their workers. Why? Because no one else will do the work. Summer help, seasonal help is mostly imported from other areas of the country or from other countries. There are not enough people to meet the business demands of the area.
The reality of the American educational system is that the absolute bare bones level of acceptability is high school graduate. High school graduates do not want to pick tomatoes. We as a nation have gone way beyond raising our own menial labor. When the benchmark is high school graduate, it is mighty difficult to find someone to mop the floor, pick the tomatoes, weed the garden, lay sod, muck the stalls, etc.
Ok, let’s say I am wrong. All you pundits out there tell me what Americans are going to do some of these jobs that high school graduates feel are menial. I am all ears. Enlighten me. After all, I am a poor elitist who has never ventured outside of Prince Billy Bob County. The ball is in your court.
One Voice,
You are right. I am sorry for posting the comment about the anxiety attack stating you said that. I have extended an olive branch and if you want to break it in two and toss it back, that is fine. I have made an effort to be civil.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/01/clinton-si-se-p.html
First we get you green cards, then you vote for me!
My olive branch etiquette is a bit rusty. What does that mean? Is it a good thing or a bad thing to break it in 2 and toss it back? Ok, I confess, I don’t know any olive branch etiquette. It isn’t rusty, it is non-existent. Please explain. Thanks.
~~splash~~
Johnson said on 23 Jan 2008 at 10:39 am:
That is the liberal nanny state way. No one can take better care of you than the Gov’t. Once we stop welfare and the services that ILLEGAL aliens receive, the sooner we will have them self deporting. I don’t know about you, but as one of the mules pulling the free ride wagon, I am getting tired.
http://www.vdare.com/sailer/061008_pearanoia.htm
http://www.vdare.com/letters/tl_081201.htm
http://www.vdare.com/guzzardi/cheap_labor.htm
http://www.vdare.com/letters/tl_081201.htm
http://www.vdare.com/roberts/071204_america.htm
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=leg_legislation6f42
http://www.vdare.com/guzzardi/look_the_other_way.htm
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35475
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33379
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/job.html
Medic
I was not even aware that the branch had been extended - however I sense by your words “and if you want to break it in two and toss it back, that is fine. I have made an effort to be civil” that you are once again ready and waiting to pounce on me.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
I think it’s in my best interest to pass. Just handing the branch back, no need to “break it in two and toss…”. Just handing it back.
dolph,
I have tried to respond to One Voice’s comments (olive branch) which goes against the ignore I was doing earlier. I had apologized to her for saying she made a comment which I got confused about.
It is best explained here:
http://www.answers.com/topic/olive-branch
To break it in two means you do not wish to accept it.
One Vocie,
I did apologize for crediting you with a post which was not yours.
If you feel that way about being fooled, it can be said for me as well.
I was trying to engage in small conversation with you. I was trying to be civil and strike up dialog.
I made the effort to get along and if you wish to not go that way, I will take back the branch.
Bridget,
I do enjoy your informative articles. TY for sharing.
Medic,
Thank you kindly. Just doing my humble bit for the resistance.
Often feels like trying to turn a tanker around with one arm and a canoe paddle! Make that a tanker filled with tomatoes.
Bridget-
Good stuff, and proves the point that cheap labor only lines the pockets of the business owners. I’d be glad to pay more for products and services provided by legal workers. Being an employee of Uncle Sam, I get paid on the GS scale, (and Bush is even trying to take THAT away) so profits don’t reach me. I was raised middle class in northern VA and worked 2 jobs at a time from high school until I was 32, because I needed the money. Don’t anybody be fooled by the dirty jobs mantra!
There’s a great letter in today’s Op Ed Wash. Times called “open borders and corporate greed” about J. Willard Marriott Jr.’s speech on why we should tolerate illegal aliens so that he can get richer.
http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_blacks_and_immigration.html
Interesting article. Long, but worth the read.
http://idexer.com/2008/01/23/chess-not-checkers-mexican-meddling.html
Gosh, could we and the majority of Americans be the so-called “small group”?
Just for fun, try to count how many buzzwords, phrases and illegal alien myths that the good Ambassador used.
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/01/montana-governo.html
…hope he doesn’t call out the Militia.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/18/us/18hide.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin
When the NYTimes admits it, we must be doing something right!
Dolph,
This is not about showing how much travel one may have. It is about debunking the myth there are jobs that Americans do not want to do or will not do. As I said, I have had the opportunity to travel to every region of our Nation over the last ten years, and have dined at fast food restaurants, local dives, National chains and just about every type of Establishment in between. I have stayed at locally owned and Nationally owned chains. I have stopped at gas stations of all types, and food stores. I have seen plenty of Americans working jobs that our elites have told us we will not do, or do not want to do. I have seen plenty of construction workers, and the same goes for that. Even the guys on the neighborhood trash truck are white or black.
There are no shortage of American workers in such places as Erie, Pa, South Bend, In, Clearwater, Fl, Tucson AZ, to name just a few places, I have seen in those towns Americans hard at work doing jobs the elites say we simply refuse to do. Even going to a major city like Philadelphia, Pa, there are plenty of Americans at work in those types of jobs.
You offered nothing in defense of your elitist attitude with regard to American workers, in fact, I am really shocked that it is coming from you.
We do have guest worker programs that allow workers to come in. The problem starts though, when companies pay these workers a lower wage, which creates an issue where Americans simply cannot afford to live on such a wage. That in turns allows the elites and the companies to say Americans will do such jobs.
Correction… That in turns allows the elites and the companies to say Americans will not do such jobs.
LOL…exactly. Many hard heads that can’t quite seem to get it. Maybe enough beating about the head and ears will eventually let them see the light.
My favorite sign:
The beatings will continue until moral improves.
Medic,
Thanks. I knew what it meant to extend an olive branch but I seriously didn’t know what breaking it in 2 meant.
COM,
I just think we are going to have to hang this one up. If I have an elitist attitude, I guess I can live with that. I have never seen myself as that. I think we are beating a dead horse. I am saying high school graduates don’t want to do menial labor. That is all.
I just read the following from the Potomac News website:
“”"Del. L. Scott Lingamfelter, R-Dale City, wants to create an Office of Immigration Assistance with HB 1174, which received positive feedback from the Virginia Coalition of Latino Organizations.
The agency would help immigrants who are on the path to citizenship with employment, housing and other services. Lingamfelter said it could cost about $500,000 to establish the agency and keep it running for the next two years.
“We applaud the delegate and support the bill’s intent,” said Andres Tobar, chairman of the Virginia Coalition of Latino Organizations.”"”"
Why is Lingamfelter willing to waste our money on this? Why do immigrants ( I hope this is Legal and not ILLEGAL), need their own agency and at taxpayers expense. I am very disappointed in Lingamfelter.
Feed the world through addictive behavior.
Check out the website. It will improve your vocabulary.
http://www.freerice.com/
I also don’t understand who in Northern VA would vote for HC or Obama when they cut off the Middle Class at $100.000 (H.C.) and $97,000 (Obama). Most people in Northern VA make good salaries, above these numbers and believe they are in the Middle Class. Beware that if HC or Obama get elected, your taxes WILL be raised. Romney does extend the Middle Class cut off to $200,000.
http://www2.hernandotoday.com/content/2008/jan/26/ha-anchor-babies-weigh-down-economy/
http://www.nj.com/news/times/index.ssf?/base/news-4/120132395991540.xml&coll=5
http://www.kpho.com/news/15137233/detail.html
Enjoy!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/25/AR2008012503172.html
What do criminals do when they’re not working due to the housing slump? I guess burglary isn’t lucrative in Mexico…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/25/AR2008012503272.html
Don’t think for one second that all of central america is not watching our election.