Nohe Goes To Bat For Illegal Alien Business Licenses
By Greg L | 24 January 2008 | Illegal Aliens, Prince William County | 143 Comments
There seems to be a big policy battle brewing at the Prince William Board of County Supervisors regarding whether the county should screen those who apply for businesses licenses to see if the applicants are legally present in the United States. The general notion here is that if someone cannot be legally hired, they shouldn’t receive the blessing of the government to operate their own business.
Supervisor Marty Nohe seems to have a little problem with that. The county determined quite some time ago to simply do away with requiring business licenses from those who are reporting less than $100,000 of annual revenue, and has realized some significant savings by cutting the number of business licenses required in the county by over half. It reduces paperwork, the burden on county employees, requires fewer county employees to administer the program, and reduces the amount of regulations a business would have to comply with. These all very Republican goals, and in most cases a very laudable position to take.
We have some unique circumstances here that Supervisor Nohe doesn’t seem to fully appreciate, however. When illegal aliens are competing with local businesses, these local businesses don’t have anywhere near the level playing field where the paperwork burden and minor expense of a business license would be meaningful in any way. Self-employed illegal aliens are paying labor rates far below that which businesses trying to comply with the law must pay their legal workers. I’ve heard from numerous small business owners who have expressed deep frustration that they are being forced out of business because many of their competitors take advantage of cheap illegal alien labor that they cannot morally employ. In this environment, if paying a small fee and filling out some paperwork was the means to restoring a level playing field in the county’s commercial marketplace, I’m sure the vast majority would clamor for it.
Unfortunately, the Chamber of Commerce has come out in opposition to this policy reform. That’s not too surprising, since the Virginia Chamber of Commerce is lobbying hard at this very moment in Richmond to prevent the enactment of any restrictions that would make it more difficult or costly for Virginia businesses to unlawfully hire illegal aliens instead of American workers. Far from being the advocate for small businesses in Virginia, the Chambers of Commerce have lately come out in favor of every policy position that would benefit large employers who profit from cheap illegal labor at the expense of small businesses that want to comply with the law. Marty has deep connections with the Chamber of Commerce, so it’s little surprise that if they are against a proposal that would reduce the supply of cheap illegal alien labor in Prince William County, he’d find some argument about smaller government and less regulation that would support the Chamber of Commerce’s position.
Meanwhile, the county is granting business licenses to any applicant, regardless of the applicant’s legal status in Prince William County. If you can’t be hired because you’re an illegal alien, just get yourself a business license and be an independent subcontractor for your illegal alien brethren. You don’t have to prove legal status in order to perform a contract, and this is a fine way to evade each and every state and federal law regarding the employment of illegal aliens. The business license even makes you appear to have the endorsement of the local government, since no one in their right mind would believe that Prince William County would be handing out business licenses to illegal aliens. Right?
And what happens to American workers as illegal aliens flock to take advantage of this unbelievable means of evading federal employment laws? They take it on the nose, undercut in the labor market by illegal aliens willing to cram themselves twenty or thirty to a house and live like animals so they can send some money back to their home countries. The real local unemployment rate among tradesmen, particularly in the minority community, is shocking from what I’ve been told. As legitimate businesses that don’t rely on illegal alien labor continue to suffer, that rate of unemployment will undoubtedly rise.
Who needs an illegal alien lobby when you have business interests willing to carry their water for them?
Supervisor Nohe better start rethinking this position and get back on board supporting the policies he not only voted for, but helped to draft. Gutting the Rule of Law Resolution by ensuring illegal aliens may obtain business licenses in Prince William County is going to rightfully produce a firestorm of opposition.
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Greg L wrote:
Self-employed illegal aliens are paying labor rates far below that which businesses trying to comply with the law must pay their legal workers.
How many “self-employed illegal aliens” are there in PWC? I don’t know how many there are either, but I suspect the number is rather marginal.
Further, I suspect that the vast majority of illegal aliens here are not being employed by their “illegal alien brethren” but by American citizen business owners seeking cheap labor.
Having said that, I really have no problem with requiring business license applicants to prove that they’re US citizens, even for small businesses. However, I suspect that such a measure would have a negligible effect on the illegal alien population here.
a Business Owner should be here legally - and this would seem like a no-brainer. If the BO is not here legally, what is the incentive to do a quality job with quality materials, he/she can just get up and leave.
And it is easy - we already have E-Verify, you would have thunk that they would be using it already -
So, this is what I mean when I say that it is all talk - that our government really does not want to fix the illegal immigrant issue, because big business does not want it fixed - and all - ALL - of our politicians are beholden to big business in one way or another.
Some of these problems should have been spotted had the County done a cost/benefit analysis before passing the resolution. The resolution was rushed through based on emotion, hysteria, and some legitimate problems that needed to be addressed (through Neighborhood Services). Then all of a sudden after the vote, the Board looked at the budget and had to face reality. I’d rather have supervisors like Nohe who look out for my tax dollar and consider all of the items that need to be funded (schools, parks, libraries, police training center) rather than Stirrup or Stewart who used the resolution as a vote-getter but didn’t consider how thay’d pay for it. Now they have to figure that out.
Marty Nohe makes his living selling appliances, especially volume sales through Appliance Connection.
The more small businesses there are (illegal or legal and primarily in the home building/improvement realm) the more money he makes.
The more word of mouth regarding his business he garners also.
Follow the money.
Thank you for being Corey’s mouthpiece on this. Did this post actually come from you or did Corey email it to you?
Corey wants to send out the signal that the county is closed for business. We just be lucky to have someone willing to stand up to him like Marty. Marty is right on this one no matter how much Corey screams about it.
http://www.mnforsustain.org/immigration_hiring_law_excerpts_from_us_code.htm
Marty better brush up on the “aiding and abetting” concept…which is a FELONY. The link above discusses this situation particularly with businesses.
http://www.smartbusinesspractices.com/legal_inaact274a.php
More information to “educate Marty”. Please note from the above…”All employers, regardless of the size of their respective business, must verify the identity and work authorization of every new hire, citizen or alien.” [Note: “regardless of size” phrase]
You know, not everything is about illegal immigration. As we go into a recession, the LAST THING we want to do is make it more difficult create and manage small businesses, the engine of our economy. I’m afraid I can’t support something that will have little impact on illegal immigrants while inconveniencing the vast majority of legal County residents.
There is a certain irony here… why do you think that someone here illegally would go to the trouble to actually get a small business license? I own a small business and understand the process, paperwork, taxes, etc. I doubt that any illegal immigrant would want to go through the process and the associated tax reporting paperwork. Remember what we keep saying.,.. they are here ILLEGALLY… breaking the law! Considering all of the laws they ignore, why would anyone think they would actually go to the trouble of getting a business license to sell their services?
I would strongly suggest that there are plenty of ways to tackle the Illegal Immigration issue. Messing with Small Business as we slide into a recession isn’t one of them. We want people opening small businesses. We want Prince William County citizens selling their goods and services to pump jobs, dollars, and business into our community. Prince William County wants to be business friendly.
Ducky said on 24 Jan 2008 at 3:18 am:
I don’t know….
but I suspect…..
Further, I suspect….
However, I suspect…..
WELL LET’S FIND OUT RATHER THAN “I DON’T KNOW OR I SUSPECT.”
Do you really think that the illegals who are running their own businesses are paying federal and state taxes for their business and employees (who I SUSPECT are also illegals?” Do you think that they are also paying Workman’s Comp? Anyone who seeks to operate a business in PWC should at a minimum, be required to submit an affidavit when applying for, or renewing a business license, stating that they are not in the country illegally and DO NOT employ illegal aliens.
Let’s give the legitimate businesses a break!
anonymoustoo said on 24 Jan 2008 at 7:21 am:
I’d rather have supervisors like Nohe who look out for my tax dollar
At last check, NOHE voted for the same resolution as did the rest of the PWCBOS or did I miss something?
Yes, soldier….we want Legal businesses that only hire legal workers! Period. It serves three purposes:
1. Allows other legal small businesses to compete fairly.
2. Eliminates the “job magnet” for illegals and businesses that hire them.
3. Allows low-skilled legal workers to get a job without competing for slots with illegal workers thus saving taxpayers money by not having to pay welfare, etc.
Vigilant1,
Well said. I agree completely.
Pat Herve, your comment that “ALL politicians are beholden to big business in one way or another.” is really a rather obvious yet silly accusation.
Because in fact all - ALL - of us here (not just the politicians) in Virginia are beholden to big business IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. Yes that even includes you Pat.
Dont get me wrong, I support the most sringent proposals on illegal immigration that our legislators can think up on every level of Govt. from local to federal. Its just silly to blame the business community when the Govt. is the one responsible for stopping this problem.
Lee…the businesses are a major part of the problem…they create the incentive. Is that so hard to understand?
Vigilant1,
“At last check, NOHE voted for the same resolution as did the rest of the PWCBOS or did I miss something?”
Sure he voted for it. So did Jenkins. Did you ever consider that there may have been a reason they voted as they did? You noticed that it was amended, didn’t you? If they didn’t have the votes to block it and voted no, their hands would have been tied. I’m sure they want to address overcrowding in the county but they are realistic and booting every illegal immigrant out of the county isn’t their primary concern.
By the way, my husband and I have made a point of asking the small business owners (both Hispanic and not) whom we patronize how their businesses are doing. Only one of them has said that this year is better than last. Many report a drop of as much as 40% in their sales. (I guess the County and cities had better be prepared for another revenue drop.) Much of this is probably related to the sour housing market and general belt tightening by the public. I don’t see this as a time that anyone wants more red tape.
What the Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 24 Jan 2008 at 8:42 am:
Patriot,
Good Governance includes a multi-facetted evaluation of policy issues to consider all costs, issues, impacts, and (most important in Government) unintended consequences. It’s called a systems view or a holistic approach. Making one issue (such as Illegal Immigration) the focus of policy discussions (such as Small business licenses and similar issues) results in rules and laws that will cause more problems than they solve (if, in fact, they solve anything since we really don’t have the data to support the problems we claim exist in our county).
It’s sort of like the, “If all I have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail” analogy. If your only issue is Illegal Immigration, everything looks like an Illegal Immigration problem. That’s ok for a constituency (such as HSM). It’s not ok for Government.
As a Conservative, I believe that “less is more” when it comes to Government regulations. I hope Corey stays true to his Conservative roots (or, at least, the roots that I considered strong enough to write him two campaign contribution checks over the past couple of years). I value the fact that Marty always brings a pragmatic view to the table (I have communicated with both Corey and Marty ((actually, all of the Supervisors)) last year over the small business issue and am surprised at Corey’s current position). I think that Marty brings my thinking on this issue to the table (no real ROI, not sure a problem actually exists, hurts more people than it helps, complicates one of the best processes in the County… one that re just re-engineered to rave reviews, drives up costs at a time when our tax base is eroding, makes PWC business unfriendly, etc.)
I’m guessing you’re not a small business owner… and we will have to agree to disagree.
If there was a fine for hiring ILLEGAL aliens and I mean a fine of $100,000 per employee per day they were employed, we would see an end to ILLEGAL aliens in the workforce. Until there are dire consequences for their actions, businesses will continue to hire ILLEGAL aliens.
What /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 24 Jan 2008 at 9:45 am:
Now, that (a fine for hiring illegals) I could support.
Agreed, Doc. That’s another way to pay for 287g participation.
This is a no brainer. Making it possible for illegal aliens to obtain business licenses is the perfect example of sacrificing the Rule of Law for a possible temporary benefit (cheap services). THEY DON’T BELONG HERE, FOLKS. If the federal government can’t/won’t do its job to protect the community from invasion, the local government must use every tool at its disposal to fill that gap. Using e-verify to ascertain the legality of an applicant’s presence is one more tool. I don’t see it costing anything.
As far as the Chamber of Commerce position, they, like the Catholic Church, are simply pimping for members. They’ll support illegals, convicts, communists, and Martians if they thought such support would garner new members.
What /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 24 Jan 2008 at 9:45 am:
RE the fine, how about a sign as you enter the county
Prince William County - Fine for employing illegal aliens
(Joke… think about it… couldn’t resist).
OKd Soldier,
There is just a slap on the hand and a finger wagging, Don’t do this again consequence for hiring ILLEGAL aliens. That is a consequence businesses can live with. However, touch their bottom line in a way I proposed and you will see them dropping ILLEGAL employees VERY quickly. As I have said all along, until there are serious consequences for their actions, businesses that hire ILLEGAL aliens will continue to do so.
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Advocator,
That is a good use of the money. Maybe we should also include seizure of their assets as well. They could be sold for funding for the 287(g) training and enforcement costs.
Old Soldier said on 24 Jan 2008 at 10:10 am:
Too funny!!!
Did you read my shopping cart post about the new act of 2008??
For those who might have missed it.
http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/22/shopping-cart-graveyards/#comment-50989
Another good one!!
http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/22/shopping-cart-graveyards/#comment-50976
Could there be the makings of a recall of Supervisor Nohe?
It amazes me how you have to prove your legal status in order to be hired and yet you can get a business license without doing the same. Proving legal status would be a one time issue for a business. What’s the big deal? Everytime I go to apply for a job I have to prove legal status.
Supervisor Nohe is out of touch with his constituents and the legitimate small business owners that have to compete with the illegal aliens.
Supervisor Nohe,
Bad on you!
What /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 24 Jan 2008 at 10:17 am:
I saw it… great post!
I also am a fan of 287(g). (IMHO) That’s the right tool (or, one of the right tools) for this problem.
Lee said on 24 Jan 2008 at 8:48 am:
Its just silly to blame the business community when the Govt. is the one responsible for stopping this problem.
If the business community did not hire illegals in the first place, there would be no need for the government to stop the problem. NO JOBS, NO ILLEGALS!
Old Soldier:
Like I say, we’re being invaded. As you’re well aware, you don’t use only one tool to fight an invasion. You’ve got to counter it on all possible fronts, from reporting out of state license tags to requiring lenders to verify the legal status of mortgage applicants.
Incidentally, there were no loiterers, illegal or otherwise, at the Coverstone 7-11 this morning at 0900. I may resume stopping there for my morning coffee.
anonymoustoo said on 24 Jan 2008 at 9:07 am:
Vigilant1,
“At last check, NOHE voted for the same resolution as did the rest of the PWCBOS or did I miss something?”
Sure he voted for it. So did Jenkins. Did you ever consider that there may have been a reason they voted as they did?
What you are saying (I don’t want to put words in your mouth) is that both Nohe and Jenkins didn’t have the courage to vote no on something they didn’t agree with. They put their stamp of approval on the resulution any way you look at it with their YES vote. In effect, they are not being truthful to their consitituants in the way they vote (I don’t like the resolution, am against it, but to make myself look good I’ll vote for it and hope it dies a quick death but my hands will be clean.) We don’t lack for politicians at all levels of government with that mentality.
I’m jealous of your 7-11, the problem at both 7-11’s on rt.1 seems to be getting worse. Maybe they are coming my way…
To Okd Soldier,
It’s entertaining to watch you bloviate on and on about good government and solid business policies…After all, you are a small business owner(Which I assume makes your opinion very important). Also, I like how you rather nonchalantly state that policy should not be based on one issue….namely Illegal Immigration. Well, as a “non-business owner” I can emphatically tell you why many of us are concentrating our efforts on this one issue…..Because for us it’s not textbook business theories that we are dealing with….IT’S REAL LIFE. When a person lives near illegal immigrant flop-houses(Like I do), that’s real. When once beautiful classic homes are gutted and torn to shreds by illegals, that’s real. When a person(Like me) is afraid to let his wife and kids go to the store alone, for fear of being harassed by illegal alien creeps, that’s real. When the illegal alien issue is smacking a person square in the face, that person isn’t thinking much about economic theories, inflation, recession, or even inconveniencing small business owners. We’re dealing with real life. Many of us have to deal with very sad issues on a daily basis that are directly caused by failed immigration policies. So please, sit back and smoke your pipe, and dream, and talk about business policy(You small business owner, you). In the mean time, some of us have to LIVE with these illegal immigrants in our midst. I don’t know where you live…But, for my family and I, the monster is on the doorstep. From my position, I could really care less if Prince William County is “business unfriendly.” I would settle for a friendly neighborhood.
Advocator, re being invaded… Now you know how the indians felt… (couldn’t resist). In that contest, the immigrants (that would be us) won.
The “all fronts” thing bothers me because of the cost issue and because of the impact on legal citizens. This isn’t our only problem (or, IMHO, necessarily our worse problem considering the economy, the war, etc.). I would like to see the right tools brought to bear.
I actually understand (up close and personal) about what it takes to fight an invasion. Since a war consists of many battles, you counter on the fronts where you can make a tactical or strategic difference (and even concede terratory now and then to conserve resources for the long haul). You don’t want to run out of guns, ammo and butter early in what might become a long campaign.
I would suggest that we pick our battles with the County Supervisors accordingly to develop credibility on the issue. We need to pick fights that make sense from all sides and actually have some potential to fix the problem, not make every issue a fight. We also need to pick fights that count that we can win. Losing a lot is bad for morale.
Congratulations on the success at the Coverstone 7-11 this morning at 0900. I hope you enjoy your morning coffee. That would be evidence that we are winning a couple of battles (and that we shouldn’t underestimate the value of PSYOPS).
CW of PWC -
Very well stated. Thank you.
anonymoustoo said, “…Did you ever consider that there may have been a reason they voted as they did? You noticed that it was amended, didn’t you? If they didn’t have the votes to block it and voted no, their hands would have been tied. I’m sure they want to address overcrowding in the county but they are realistic and booting every illegal immigrant out of the county isn’t their primary concern.”
I don’t believe that politicians like Marty Nohe actually have it in them to understand what implications a vote like this would have on them and their community. Marty Nohe’s career in politics has been based on looking out for his own small business. I wouldn’t ever say that a politician doesn’t use personal experience to make judgements on legislation, but it shouldn’t always be about what’s best for them and their personal life.
Marty Nohe makes his money off of illegal immigrants. I have seen his trucks around town delivering appliances to homes where we all know illegals live. And no, it’s not because of the color of their skin, it’s because the illegals on our side of town don’t care anymore if people know they’re illegal-they’ll tell you!
Marty voted for the resolution because there are loopholes in the resolution and he knew that it would be a long time, if ever, that all those loopholes would be closed-leaving him to continue making money by breaking the law and living outside of his political “moral compass”.
The small businesses in PWC that will be hurt by this are the ones that are trying to operate on the up and up. They want to make money to take care of their families but also understand that everyone is responsible for themselves, and at the end of the day-they obeyed the law. The ones that will be just fine or will end up better off at the end of the day are those, that while seem to be legit-but the elephant in the room is what everyone knows happens behind closed doors.
I’m tired of people saying that Marty Nohe is a “good Republican,” “he works for me,” “he listens to both sides.” It’s all crap-he has had two sides to his face since the day he took office, and the day that people in his district actually wake up, get mad because they are being lied to, and become informed-we will have a new (hopefully more honest) supervisor from Coles.
Oh, and if he’ll stop sitting and whispering in Wally’s ear like a stupid 13 year old girl in the middle of meetings. Come on Marty, act like the middle aged man that you are.
Vigilant1 said,
“What you are saying (I don’t want to put words in your mouth) is that both Nohe and Jenkins didn’t have the courage to vote no on something they didn’t agree with.”
Not necessarily. If you’re familiar with Robert’s Rules of Order, you know that the people who end up on the losing side of a vote can’t revisit the issue. To amend the resolution or change it, Nohe, Jenkins, Barg, or anyone else who knew they would be in the minority would have to vote “yes” and then offer their changes for vote. (This is if my memory of RR doesn’t fail me.)
Patty, I think Coles District residents for the most part are quite happy with Supervisor Nohe.
The first step in the recall of Supervisor Marty Nohe would be gathering enough signatures from registered voters in the Coles District equaling 10 percent of the ballots cast in that district’s last supervisor election. 9100 ballots were cast in Coles District in November, 2007 = 910 signatures required.
A Circuit Court judge then would consider whether there are sufficient grounds to remove Mr. Nohe from office. Under Virginia law, a supervisor may be removed “for neglect of duty, misuse of office or incompetence in the performance of duties” that has “a material adverse effect upon the conduct of office.
Virginia Code,
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+24.2-233
Good morning! The Real I.D. Act would be useful here. A secure, gov’t issued I.D. that can be swiped through a card reader or queried on a secure database is an almost instantaneous method to prove legitamacy. Privacy be damned, if you want a benefit from the gov’t, stand ready to prove who you are. I consider a business license to be a privilege, as it can be revoked or denied for cause. I also consider it to be a benefit, as it allows a person to work and profit from that work. It also allows that person to hire employees who profit from working. While I encourage employment, I also encourage responsibility. Hiring illegal aliens is unlawful and morally reprehenible. I believe that a person who applies for a business license should be required to prove that they are a legal resident. I believe that the license holder should have that license revoked for breaking the law. The deeper you go into someone’s pocket, the better they will behave. Take away the jobs, the illegal aliens will leave.
and maybe anonymoustoo can move to Arlington!
Hey Old soldier….does your small business hire illegal aliens? Do you use e-verify? If an auditor showed up could you prove these things?
Patriot, seen any more loiterers at Blooms? Or is it trash along Sudley Manor Drive that gets your daily attention?
There’s nothing wrong with Arlington. It’s a good location near all the DC attractions. It has good public transportation, a great once-a-month Saturday morning flea market, decent restaurants, and a good ethnic mix.
What the Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 24 Jan 2008 at 11:40 am:
Patriot,
The clearance requirements for my customers preclude hiring anyone who isn’t a U.S. Citizen (and who can’t pass a full live style poly).
Wouldn’t it be nice if all business had these requirements.
anonymoustoo, yes as a matter of fact I do see loiterers! Also, there is a good ethnic mix where we live too! (not sure why you would think otherwise). So why don’t you move to Arlington then? Afterall, you seem to love it there!
Oh…and the bunk houses are still there and so is the trash!
anonymoustoo,
You are out of touch with reality. Mr. Nohe has managed to upset more people than you realize even those who are not HSM members. That is all I’m going to say to you because it is not worth my time to argue with someone who has their head in the sand.
Anony,
Thanks for the information on recall. I know of at least one gentleman who may already be working on it.
Old Soldier…well that sounds great then. So you don’t hire illegal aliens then? If you don’t why don’t you sign up for “Do the Right Thing”? That way, people will know that you are a legit business that does not hire illegal aliens.
Patty, that would be great to have such a petition being worked up.
http://www.smartbusinesspractices.com/pilot/
Here old soldier. Just for your business!
Vigilant1, don’t yell at me. I said I have no problem with this proposed ordinance. I just don’t think it will be very effective except as a placebo, and will likely burden and discourage legit businessmen who want to do business here.
How so ducky…all a business has to do is verify that they are legal by providing some documents. How is that a big deal? Legal citizens have to do this via the I-9 form anyway.
http://www.kentucky.com/513/story/293255.html
“Mich. denies illegal immigrants licenses”! Good for them! Just another tool to make it harder for illegal aliens and their supporters to operate.
Patriot,
“anonymoustoo, yes as a matter of fact I do see loiterers! Also, there is a good ethnic mix where we live too! (not sure why you would think otherwise). So why don’t you move to Arlington then? Afterall, you seem to love it there!”
You should share the secret of when you see them. It would be like a glimpse of the Ivory-billed Woodpecker. A rare sight to behold indeed!
Tut tut about that “you should move there” comment. It’s too much like the “love it or leave it” pablum or the more sinister Old South “send them back to…”.
Manassas and PWC are getting better ethnic restaurants but they lack edgy art galleries, so…sob…I must go all the way into DC.
Oh, Patty, I’m so saddened that you can’t work up a cogent argument to whatever specific actions of Mr. Nohe’s bother you. (But I’m not surprised.)
http://www.alliednews.com/statenews/cnhinsall_story_012222847.html
You see…this is being pro-active! Unlike anonymoustoo…who seems to be part of the problem.
Okay…anonymoustoo…if Arlington is too far…then why don’t you move to MP? That would be great! Heck…you could even run for office since you are much more enlightened than anyone else!
http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/pol/548695515.html
“Illegal Mexican Interview”
Marty Nohe is wrong on this issue. The people know it and hopefully the rest
of the Supervisors know it.
What is it that people want to OK an illegal alien being here. They snuck across
the border, BREAKING THE LAWS. What is it that some people just don’t get it.?
If we start approving those that break the laws,where does it stop? Do we ignore Robbers, Murderers,DUI and everyother crime out there.
I DON’T THINK SO !!!
THE FEDERAL GOVT. OR THE STATE DON’T CARE WHAT GOES ON IN OUR COUNTY,SO IT’S UP TO US AND OUR GOVERNMENT AGENCIES TO PROVIDE
A GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE.
That means not having 10 to 20 people living in a house. That means not having these large groups hanging on the corners from morning to night.
That also means THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE and MARTY NOHE needs to wake up.
No, alas, Patriot, you’re out of luck…I won’t be making any more moves in the DC area. In a few years I may move overseas or to the Pacific Northwest but for the time being, you’re stuck with me and my liberal friends.
I don’t claim to be more enlightened, but I have my opinions on these various topics, you know. People, like Patty and some others, seem to think that everyone should think exactly alike. People in this county are different!!! Surprise!!! Mr. Nohe is a good representative for his district which is not like Patty’s district. We may have different expectations of our leaders. We may not like the black eye our county has been given by a group of other residents who decided the best way to address problems of overcrowding, public drunkeness, and crime was to chase away their Hispanic neighbors. I’ve had drunks and petty criminals live near me in the past. I didn’t rush off to the BOCS and make a stink. If a County agency can’t handle your problems, either their hands are tied by regulations (probably Federal or State) or maybe some of the complaints lack validity.
Come on anonymoustoo…you know as well as all of your liberal friends (whether you admit it or not) that illegal immigration (which is predominantly hispanic based on the statistics posted many times) is a problem AROUND OUR ENTIRE COUNTRY (not just in our little old county). To say otherwise is just…well…RIDICULOUS…and you know it. Furthermore, marty is not being a good representative and should be called out (particularly if he is shifting with the wind).
A.A.
Your rhetoric gets old fast!
The majority of murders committed in PWC for 2007 were committed by illegal aliens - fact.
“Okay…anonymoustoo…if Arlington is too far…then why don’t you move to MP?”
We don’t need any more of that. Got enough of it on city council now.
Here’s a rich one for you. The Indiana Chamber of Commerce is against revoking business licenses of busineses that hire Illegal Invaders because it MIGHT result in legal residents losing their jobs. What a crock of horse puckey! Like I said before, the only thing any Chamber is interested in is pimping for more members. They’d pimp their own mothers if they thought it would result in another business joining their lobby. Virginia better get on the stick. Other states are becoming so hostile to Illegal Invaders, even PWC is going to look good to them:
The Examiner
INDIANAPOLIS -
A Senate panel has advanced a proposal that could revoke business licenses for companies that knowingly hire illegal aliens.
The Senate Labor Committee has voted 10-1 for the proposal, which would only affect workers hired after Sept. 30, 2009.
Bill supporters say the state needs the legislation because the federal government isn’t doing enough to stop illegal immigration.
Critics say the legislation would have unintended consequences. The Indiana Chamber of Commerce says innocent workers could lose their jobs if companies go out of business just because employers wrongly hired illegal aliens.
The bill now moves to the full Senate for consideration.
Old Soldier said on 24 Jan 2008 at 11:51 am:
The clearance requirements for my customers preclude hiring anyone who isn’t a U.S. Citizen (and who can’t pass a full live style poly).
Shouldn’t that be a full LIFE style poly?
Been there, done that!
Actually, Vigilant1, it’s a requirement that you have style… a live style… nothing flashy, but better than a dead style… just more than the run of the mill style (just kidding.)
Good catch… you truly are a vigilant one, Vigilant1!
Patriot,
I am trying to figure out if you were bullied on the playground or if you were the kid who pulled the wings off of lightning bugs.
Why are you grilling Anonymoustoo? Good grief. The lady offers a different point of view, about her own district. I would say her opinion is as valid as anyone else’s, perhaps more so if you do not live in her district.
I have been waiting over a week for my supervisor to acknowledge that the office got an email from me. What do you want to bet I won’t have heard back in another week? I guess Mr. Perfect isn’t?
The spam filter ate my reply to Patriot. Surprise.
Dolph, I emailed all BOCS members at least a couple times during the run-up to the vote on the resolution. The only two that I never heard from were Stewart and Stirrup. (All letters were polite and non-threatening. ) I got replies to all my emails from Mr. Nohe as I always have. I even got a phone call as I have in the past. Additionally, I was surprised by getting a long thoughtful email from Supervisor May…surprised that he gave a prompt response to a non-constituent.
anonymoustoo said on 24 Jan 2008 at 4:21 pm:
The only two that I never heard from were Stewart and Stirrup. (All letters were polite and non-threatening. )
Consider yourself luck to hear from either one. Stirrup is my supervisor and for the past two or three years he has never answered a single one of my letters or e-mails (all were polite and non-threatening.) His predesessor was the same. The only supervisor that has been worth a damn was Ms. McManus. She always returned my calls/letters and even set up meetings with Harry Parrish and Chuck Colgan when the situation warranted. Guess these guys are “just too busy!” SURE!
anonymoustoo said on 24 Jan 2008 at 4:21 pm:
The only two that I never heard from were Stewart and Stirrup. (All letters were polite and non-threatening. )
Consider yourself lucky to hear from either one. Stirrup is my supervisor and for the past two or three years he has never answered a single one of my letters or e-mails (all were polite and non-threatening.) His predesessor was the same. The only supervisor that has been worth a damn was Ms. McManus. She always returned my calls/letters and even set up meetings with Harry Parrish and Chuck Colgan when the situation warranted. Guess these guys are “just too busy!” SURE!
system hick-uped
Okd Soldier,
You are talking reason to people have none. Clearly, like the analogy of the pebble tossed into the pond, every action as a reaction. To run government responsibly, our elected officials MUST understand the effects of any new policy. Marty showed some chutzpah and I commend him for it.
Dolph, bullying? Please provide the quote that would constitute “bullying”! I cannot wait to see what I said.
Let me clarfiy, you are talking to “several” people, I don’t mean to include a blanket statement for everyone here.
IT…right….just like your reasoning in “caring for your fellow human beings”! However, it is not ALL human beings, just the ones that you deem deserve the caring! Right? You will allow your own countrymen/countrywomen to suffer in your own neighborhoods to advance your open borders agenda right? Right!
Patriot,
I didn’t accuse YOU of bullying. I wondered if you had been bullied. Just a thought.
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Anonymoustoo and Vigilant1,
I emailed Mr. Stirrup about getting a project going in Sudley for lighting. Nothing cuts down on crime like lighting. Sudley is dark as a dungeon at night. No street lights. No acknowledgement at all. Not even a polite go to hell.
I am ready to contact John Jenkins and ask for his help. He is a great believer in street lights.
Meanwhile, put on your high beams if you drive though Sudley.
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Dolph, okay…sorry…you used the word “grilling”. Same word really in a sense.
Vigilant1, Mr. Stirrup’s response to his emails must echo his appearance at BOCS meetings…inactive bump on a log. At least Mr. Nohe is engaged at the meetings…asking questions, teasing out answers. It shows that he’s thinking. I like that in a Supervisor. (Mr. Stirrup will have to put out a bit more effort now that he’s vice-chairman. Ha ha.)
Dolph, the ladies in Supervisor Jenkins’ office are helpful.
e-verify,
Clearly, you prove my point. I have been saying, over and over, to the point of ad nauseum, that saying “illegal is illegal” will do nothing to help the neighborhoods that are having problems. In fact, I have said, more than once, that I have empathy for people on all sides. You presuppose that if you got rid of all illegal immigrants, these problems would magically disappear. First of all, there is no mechanism in place to deport 12 million people, NOT going to happen. So, we are left with the reality that these neighborhoods face. Charlotte had some great ideas. I shared my experiences from my old neighborhood. Dialogue is the way to begin to resolve these issues, but that would take courage to face the people you so easily villify. Do you have courage, or just a brave fingers to type ?
anonymoustoo said
“you’re stuck with me and my liberal friends.”
AND
“I think Coles District residents for the most part are quite happy with Supervisor Nohe.”
(But I’m not surprised.)
“I think Coles District residents for the most part are quite happy with Supervisor Nohe.”
Nope.
Just out of curiosity, what is the Oath of Office for our “supervisors”?
IT and Old Soldier.
I briefly read your opinions and though they have merit, they are missing a part of the overall picture in my opinion.
“illegal” business owners do exist and in great numbers. They are just not officially registered any more than the people they hire. They know the “illegal” labor pool and can take great advantage of it to form their own business. The profit margins they have compared to the average business owner are huge. They can grow very large companies very quickly in many industries. These “owners” call them “bosses” and “labor organizers” in the maid services, labor services industries, then they look to gain wealth as sub-contractors to firms who do not check their credentials at all, and then unfairly compete with legitimate business owners who MUST pay taxes and operate “on the level” or risk being jailed. They even use their work force to pay personal bills such as “illegal” home ownership obtained with false documentation and unscrupulous lenders and “investors”.
The problems will go away with these unfair business practice when “illegals” are gone and the market can correct itself, compete and create wealth for all in a fair market, better than an unfair market, where only the cheaters win. If that was game theory, the liars and cheaters, would dominate over the win-win seekers.
And yes we CAN deport all 12 million and it will happen. It won’t happen overnight, but in 2-3 years it will. When people cannot function in a society they have no choice but to leave and they will pay their own way home. It will not cost us a dime, except to enforce the law in every community.
The market will initially drop, but rebound back as fair wage earners get higher wages for their work and the costs get passed on to the consumer. This happens anyway in a free market, its just there is an artificial forcing function keeping it from growing the way it should in a free and fair market.
The nation will eventually benefit from this “healthy” market correction. Reagan and Thatcher knew this when they removed government controls on government owned services. The correction initially went south, then fair competition sparked growth. and then a very propserous period followed for 15 years until we screwed it up again, during the current administration’s myopic policies. Before Reagan, and his decision to go “free market” there was un-fair competition with “insiders” controlling the market. A lot like Russia today. Today’s “illegal” immigrant business owners that network over cell phones are the new “insiders” who import cheap goods and cheap labor, but never put it back into the community the way people who are legal would.
Frankly I just can’t agree with either of your points about this.
Nohe is wrong in the long run on this. He does not understand “fair free market” forcing functions.
You cannot create “fair” competition in a market that is rigged. The benefits of a “free market” and competitive growth ONLY happen when competition is possible and competition is “fair”. Neither of you understand that, based on your comments.
Michael said on 24 Jan 2008 at 8:35 pm:
The profit margins they have compared to the average business owner are huge. They can grow very large companies very quickly in many industries.
Isn’t one of these companies located in Woodbridge, owned and operated by a “former” illegal and now a thriving business catering to Latinos?
Michael,
How do you propose to deport 12 million people?
I am also curious as to what you mean when you say ‘the market.’ Are you referring to the stock market?
dolph said on 24 Jan 2008 at 5:04 pm:
I emailed Mr. Stirrup about getting a project going in Sudley for lighting. Nothing cuts down on crime like lighting. Sudley is dark as a dungeon at night. No street lights. No acknowledgement at all. Not even a polite go to hell.
Welcome to the club! For a while I though it was just me. Re the lighting in Sudley……it is sorely needed but it won’t happen. Back twenty years or so ago this subject was brought up and the response was “it would cost too much.”
Wish Ms. McManus was still in office. She alienated a lot of people (mostly developers) but she got things done and was not afraid to move around the neighborhood and see things for herself. It has been all downhill with the crop of Gainesville supervisors who followed her.
“And yes we CAN deport all 12 million and it will happen. It won’t happen overnight, but in 2-3 years it will”
ICE deported 300,000 last year. Do the math.
One Voice said on 24 Jan 2008 at 10:21 pm:
“And yes we CAN deport all 12 million and it will happen. It won’t happen overnight, but in 2-3 years it will”
Take away the jobs and they will deport themselves (as they are doing in Arizona as we speak) at no cost to the taxpayer. NO JOBS, NO MONEY NO STAY!
Vigilant1,
I addressed the lighting issue in Sudley at Tuesday night’s BOS meeting. Hell, I’ve use my highbeams over there since I started driving quite some years ago. I hope we get some kind of response. I miss the gas lamp posts we ALL had in our front yards.
Now, how vigilant were you this afternoon about 4:30?
I saw two PWPD cruisers at Loudoun and Strasburg on my way to SMS. When I neared King George the police where leaving, and one went towards Sudley Manor, and the other towards Lomond. I saw that one car was hauling someone off to jail when drove by on Lomond as I was on Powhattan.
I haven’t seen anymore new Neighborhood Watch signs. Have you yet to see the “block walkers” patrolling the streets?
One more vacant house on my block that’s now 9 out of 30. I saw a nice Hyltonian being appraised today on 9700 block of Loudoun. I can’t wait to see what kind of $ they get for that one and the 14 on my block.
Ms. One Voice! Ms. One Voice!! (best Arnold Horshack voice) I did the math. 40 years! 40 years! How many will sneak in during those 40 years?
corr: I can’t wait to see what kind of $ they get for that one and #14 on my block.
Lafayette said on 24 Jan 2008 at 11:01 pm:
Vigilant1,
No, missed all the excitement. Did see some new NW signs on Sudley Manor the other day. Good luck on the streetlights. They tried over 20 years ago to get them in Sudley and sups said it was too expensive. Don’t hold your breath. We did get the bridge at Flat Branch and those hidious lights on it at a cost of $6 Million. That was Wilbourne’s folly. Haven’t seen too many people (especially neighbors) walking around the area lately. Too cold I guess.
The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 24 Jan 2008 at 8:42 am:
Yes, soldier….we want Legal businesses that only hire legal workers! Period. It serves three purposes:
1. Allows other legal small businesses to compete fairly.
Well you failed this one Patriot. The BOCS does not believe in free enterprise or fair competetion. Why do you think the public has to pay the high prices of dry cleaning. The Korean Dry Cleaners Assoc has gotten the PWC BOCS along with Fairfax and Montgomery Co Md to pass special zoning to limit the size of a dry cleaner to less then 3,000 sq ft so that Fixed Price dry cleaners can not operate in the county. Do you think the BOCS might get Family and Friends priceing rather then what the public has to pay???
2. Eliminates the “job magnet” for illegals and businesses that hire them.
Do you believe that they only hire legal immigrants and pay Workers comp and payroll taxes and report all their income and wage earnings? If you do then you must be waiting for the Easter Bunny to come see you soon.
There are many ways to get the laws enforced and get rid of problems with out making this a race issue which Stewart and Stirrup and the rest of the board has done.
As to having to prove you are legal to renew your business license and to think that people have the time to go and wait in lines for hours to speak to someone who does not know the english languare as we so often find on the counters at PWC forget it.
Vigilant1 said on 25 Jan 2008 at 12:03 am:
I NEVER hold my breath when dealing with the government and elected officials. I am a realist. I have some ideas and think Ms Dolph might have some too on possiblities for the lights.
Oh, that damn bridge. Just one of Wilbourne’s many follies as far as I’m concerned. I’ve had to drive all the way around more times than I care to count before we got that bridge. Well, at least the taggings have been removed.
Where are those new signs on Sudley Manor? I spotted some news about a month ago on SM between Dublin and Lafayette. I may have noticed some new ones just past the barn heading towards Ben Lomond. Well, it seems like once a week some news signs are going up. Now, where are the signs of the actual NW itself?
Thanks for your vigilance.
Signs don’t do a whole lot. Why are they there? wowowowow blind fear! There is a NW sign out there 3 houses down. I see the neighborhood. Now where is the watch?
I shouldn’t have to be squawking about lights. We have needed them over here for 25-30 years. John Jenkins sure made sure Dale City was lit up like a Christmas tree when those neighborhoods got a little on the seedy side. Sudley just stayed dark. Turn on those high beams folks.
Lafayette and Vigilant1,
Why is that bridge Willbourn’s folly? He used to live down on Lomond where the horrible flooding took place during Agnes. I don’t think he lived there at the time, but you don’t need to have measles to know you don’t want them.
Getting the Flatbranch engineering accomplishments completed was quite an ordeal. I applaud all the efforts, especially Ed Willbourn’s. The engineering not only protects the Loch Lomond area but also cuts down on the risk of flooding in Sudley.
dolph,
There’s NO denying that was quite an accomplishment. There was way too much hype for the completion of the bridge. It shouldn’ve been there years before it was even talked about. I am fully aware of the benefits of the bridge. Where you living in Manassas when Agnes hit? I’ll have to show you some wild pictures of my aunt’s family being rescued from their rooftop in the townhouse just off the other of Lafayette. We were lucky here on this block.
Laf,
I was lucky I didn’t live in Sudley during Agnes. I lived in the I-word place then, back before it was a slum. Those Sudley Townhouses got nailed also. Hopefully the Flatbranch engineering improvements will keep this entire area safer.
I did find out today that anyone can now buy flood insurance without the engineering certificate. It is nto cheap.
Lafayette, who installed and paid for the gas lamps that you mentioned earlier?
The county doesn’t like to create a bunch of these districts, but there are a few service/sanitary districts within the PW County where neighborhoods pay higher taxes for specific services that those neighborhoods need. I believe Dale City still may have a service district and Bull Run Mountain and Lake Jackson have them for road maintenance. I wonder if Sudley Manor and Westgate could do something similar. A certain number of residents have to petition the court to create the district and it takes a while to get it up and running, but it may be a possibliity if nothing else seems feasible.
anonymoustoo said on 25 Jan 2008 at 7:34 am:
anonymoustoo,
The gas lights were installed when the houses were built. The infrastrucure is still there, and some houses still have the lamp posts without light. We have lights in WestGate are utitilies are aboveground on poles. I told BOS how dark it was and always has been in Sudley. I know this would be a huge expense, but it will make it safier for our citizens. It is VERY VERY dark at night overthere. I welcome any and all ideas regarding getting Sudley lit up like a Christmas tree as dolph mentioned.
Thank you very much for thoughts on this “dark” matter.
Hey Bob Wills….actually….if you cannot read or speak enough english to understand the rules and regulations to operate a business in the U.S. then you better get someone who can. That is not an excuse for not being held accountable. If you operate a business in the U.S….you better be legal (to include all of your employees). Period. Just like when any legal individual takes a job….you must provide proof via the I-9. If a worker on a visa is working they must be able to show their documentation and have it verified. Business owners should have an even higher standard…since they are supposed to “keep the books” and properly pay their taxes. So Bob….YOU ARE WRONG!
http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1201079945298640.xml&coll=2
“Sen. Jeff Sessions, already a high-profile critic of illegal immigration, is challenging the presidential candidates to answer a series of questions that he says will clarify for voters their positions on immigration and become a written record of their commitments should they be elected.”
Senator Sessions really impresses me. I cannot wait to see how the candidates answer the questions! Best of all….it will be in writing (for accountability). Maybe we should use this model for our own BOCS and State legislatures. Get them to answer the questions in writing too. Way to go Senator Sessions (one of our voices of reason).
http://www.yumasun.com/opinion/_39140___article.html/_.html
“Mayor Ruben Espino of San Luis Rio Colorado, Son., as reported in The Sun recently. People are coming into his community because of recent Arizona law changes and they will be a burden to the social services of his city.”
Hmm…..now for you liberals who say that illegal aliens are not a burden on our social services (in your dreamland of course)….even the Mexican Mayor listed above said that they are! He said his own people are a burden! Wow, what a concept…huh? I thought that the Mexican President said that only “the best people” are leaving his country? This all sounds like a contradiction does it not?
http://www.kptm.com/Global/story.asp?S=7764342&nav=menu606_2
“Hiring illegal immigrants could put businesses on the hook for costs ranging from education to welfare, under a bill introduced in the Legislature.”
Okay…now this is a GREAT solution! I think we should contact our State Legislatures and let them know that this sounds like a good plan for VA. If businesses want to gamble…let them pay the piper too!
The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 25 Jan 2008 at 8:17 am:
This all sounds like a contradiction does it not?
The whole country of Mexico is a contradiction.
Lafayette said on 25 Jan 2008 at 7:56 am:
The gas lights were installed when the houses were built. The infrastrucure is still there, and some houses still have the lamp posts without light.
The gas lights are failing. Washington Gas used to maintain them as part of the service (provide lanterns and general maint. when needed.) I had the gas to mine shut off because WG could no longer maintain them (no parts etc.) Was paying a monthly charge for light that would not work. That is probably the reason so many are not light. I tried to find someone to convert it over to electric and was told by one contractor that the job was too small for him and would cost close to $1k to convert it. Needless to say………. Keep my porch light on at night.
By the way - passed the 700K yellow house on Greenview this am and there was a Latino who just got out of a car with a roll-up matress and large duffle bag going into the house. Have noticed two other vehicles parked there this week. Looks like we might have another “bunk” house starting. The for sale sign has been down for some time after the house being on the market for almost 2 years.
Lafayette said on 25 Jan 2008 at 12:27 am:
I may have noticed some new ones just past the barn heading towards Ben Lomond.
Believe those are the ones I saw. That bridge wasn’t up a week before it got tagged. Believe there is quite a bit of tagging underneath it also. Haven’t seen any on top lately.
Vigilant1 said on 25 Jan 2008 at 8:49 am:
I remember those lights burning out about every other day during the gas crisis of the 70’s. My parents got so mad and said the next time it goes out we are not relighting it. It remain lit until 1997, until someone who shal remain nameless leaned on it and it was busted, and it was one of the last remaing ones.
I think there are about 10 lit between WG/Sudley. I will roll down Greenview today.
Vigilant1 said on 25 Jan 2008 at 8:57 am:
The underpass on Grant Ave. back in 1985 was tagged within days of it’s opening.
Flat Branch bridge got tagged around Christmas and has now been removed. I wonder how long before it gets tagged again?
Did you read 9 out of 30 vacant on my block?
Lafayette, you’ve probably already seen this link. The Supervisors each appear to have the ability to get a few lights installed within their districts…probably depends on the cost.
http://www.pwcgov.org/default.aspx?topic=040038000130000802
COVERSTONE 7/11 ALERT:
They’re baaack. About 8 around 0900. No PWC police in sight.
anonymoustoo,
I’d seen that a few months ago, and hadn’t had a chance to dig it back up. I will get with dolph, and thanks. Maybe, Vigilant1 would be interested getting involved on this one.
Vigilant1,
Any interest in lighting up Sudley?
Advocator,
This is NOT good news!! Did they have any children out there today like the other day? Will check there early this afternoon and report back. What’s it gonna take to fix this problem?
Lafayette said on 25 Jan 2008 at 9:06 am:
Flat Branch bridge got tagged around Christmas and has now been removed. I wonder how long before it gets tagged again?
Did you read 9 out of 30 vacant on my block?
Didn’t know about the Christmas tagging. When they were building the bridge there was numerous taggings on the pilings etc. Bet they are still there but furtunately they are out of view from the road.
Will keep an eye on the GV situation. The house next door has a single mother and two teenage daughters. She has a large dog (like the ones in the movie “The Omen”) and a smaller one so I don’t think anyone is going to mess with them.
Vigilant1,
Thanks as always. “The Omen” that’s too funny.
****
Here’s a great letter to the editor. Something Fishy, indeed!
http://manassasjm.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Common%2FMGArticle%2FPrintVersion&c=MGArticle&cid=1173354342724&image=mjm80×60.gif&oasDN=manassasjm.com&oasPN=%21opinion
Lafayette said on 25 Jan 2008 at 9:06 am:
Did you read 9 out of 30 vacant on my block?
Yes, and there will probably be a lot more in the whole area. News report yesterday said that there will probably be about a million and a half more this year around the country. It’s a sad state to see what nothing but greed on the part all parties has caused.
What Michael said on 24 Jan 2008 at 8:35 pm
Michael,
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this issue.
Bob Wills said on 25 Jan 2008 at 12:10 am:
There are many ways to get the laws enforced and get rid of problems with out making this a race issue which Stewart and Stirrup and the rest of the board has done.
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This isn’t a race issue until liberals start crying it is. I have not seen where they specify Hispanics. I see ILLEGAL aliens. The quicker the race card is put back into the deck, the sooner we can solve this issue.
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One Voice,
We will not have to deport all 12M ILLEGAL aliens, They will start to self deport by the 100,s of thousands once the jobs are no longer available. Yes there will be a few million that will remain with their anchor babies, but that will be a more manageable number.
# /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 25 Jan 2008 at 8:53 am:
Dave,
I went by @ 8:15A, there were 3-4 close to 7-11 and 5-6 in front of the building behind it on the sidewalk. Guess it was a flash in the pan for us.
/\/\3|)iç 64, Dave, Advocator,
Notice how the number doubled in 15 minutes look at Advocators numbers at 8:30.
Flash in the pan. Good one. I was thinking a short lived dream.
Will try to drive by mid-day.
Lafayette,
I have about 8 in my figures. They are pretty much the same. I wasn’t caught at the light so I couldn’t get a firm count, but that was the best numbers I could come up with. The ones in front of the building may have migrated to the 7-11 parking lot.
What needs to happen is ICE needs to roll up to the 7-11 and demand to check the people’s ability to work in the U.S. legally (since that is what they are trying to do…get a job). If they cannot produce the paperwork they get held and are further investigated. If people start walking away once ICE shows up…that to me could constitute probable cause of being illegal.
Is anyone keeping a list of the contractors that show up to pick these people up? I would suspect that the businesses could be reported for possibly hiring of illegal aliens.
Tax evasion. Report to IRS
The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 25 Jan 2008 at 11:09 am:
What needs to happen is ICE needs to roll up to the 7-11 and demand to check the people’s ability to work in the U.S. legally (since that is what they are trying to do…get a job).
That is too logical, therefore it won’t happen. Again, the WILL to enforce the law has to be there and thus far (last 30 years) it has not been and no immediate prospects of it happening.
Lafayette said on 25 Jan 2008 at 9:54 am:
Here’s a great letter to the editor. Something Fishy, indeed!
It goes to show you that having friends in high places has it’s advantages.
Vigilant1 is right. There has to be the willingness to enforce the law.
How come Manassas City is able to get rid of the loiterers around the 7-11s and PWC can not? I guess that is the question of the day.
Vigilant1,
Sharon Pandak getting a spot on the NVTA sounds fishy to me too. Especially since they currently have the authority to tax us to death.
The gas lights on Sudley Manor Drive are still up in front of most houses. Most people turned them off in the 80’s when it became difficult to get parts and it cost at leat $25 per month for the fuel, flat rate.
Perhaps the electric company could cut some deal with the county. I wouldn’t mind running the thing on electricity if it could be converted without giving up an arm or a leg.
The gas lights were installed by the original builder. To put in the number of street lights needed in Sudley would cost a fortune, but we need to start somewhere. If there are other ways to light the neighborhood at night using existing infastructure, I would be all for that plan also.
Hellicopters with searchlights patrolling over the streets. YEAH!
Good article from a Hispanic:
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59641
dolph said on 25 Jan 2008 at 2:06 pm:
I don’t know what wouldn’t cost and arm and a leg. I’ve brought it to the attention of the BOS, but that is far as my involvement will go for now regarding the lights. I’ve worked to get so many things taken care of, and the lights of Sudley will have to be addressed by the citizens of Sudley. If you are still waiting for your email to get answered, I would suggest calling the Supervisor’s office and speak to a live person, and not just a cyberspace email.
Have you called NOVEC or taken a look at the link anonymoustoo put up? I think they will be most advantageous to you all in Sudley. GOOD LUCK!!
Attention Lafayette,
We had something interesting that happened on Woodstock this afternoon. I sent you e-mails.
Vigilant1,
I checked out GV today. It looks like if snows GV will be the first street to have the snow removed. I noticed the FOR RENT sign in the window. Isn’t that house occupied? Hmm.
Did you happen to notice this?
http://community.webshots.com/album/561333843rNGkke?start=60
This really makes me wonder where’s the NW at? Simply putting up signs is NOT enough.
Mid-day update on Coverstone 7-11 about 8-10 day laborers and none of “Charlie’s Angels” in sight. I went by about noon.
http://community.webshots.com/album/561176744SAXMFv?start=24
All,
When I went by the Coverstone 7-11 this morning there were 8 day laborers milling about on the abandoned property beside the 7-11. Two roofing trucks pulled into the 7-11 and they immediately started running that way, the light changed and I yelled “la migra!!!!”, three of them stopped at which time I took their picture with my camera making sure the flash was on and they turned the other way and ran around the corner of the abandoned property. Guess those were illegals otherwise why would they run?
Oh yeah, no police cars were there when I went through around 7:40 am.
Dave in PWC,
Thanks for the report. Wouldn’t an old CB radio with a PA system come in handy or a bull horn? “la migra” does get ‘em hopping. Please, feel free to post your pictures on my webshots link above. It’s very user friendly. I think someone else added a couple of pictures too. I think it’s time we start writing some letters to the editor. We must continue to check that place out on the weekend too, that doesn’t seem to really slow things down too much.
Layfayette,
The pictures didn’t come out too good, I just wanted to have them see the flash and wasn’t really steady as I was laughing as I took the pictures when they started running after I yelled “la migra”. Sorry about that. I’ll try and not laugh next week. At least until I get the pictures taken.
Illegal aliens don’t get business licenses. They are illegal!! They’re either too scared to apply for a business license for fear they’ll be caught and deported or unaware that a business license requirement exist.
Ari Stotle,
I do think the illegals have fraudulant documents. We had one operation in the western end shut down during the summer by the Gang Task Force. I don’t see much fear amongst the illegals. I do agree some would be too scared to apply for business license.
Haven’t seen you around here much since the summer. I’m glad to see you are back, even if for a brief visit.
Just math………
There are 12 Million illegal aliens in the US
ICE Deported 300,0000 in FY07
At that rate, it will take 40 years
Cut by three (assuming family members) that brings it down to 13 years
Assume 30% Self-Deport.
At the ICE deportation rate of 300,000 per year,
It will take 27years
Cut by three (assuming family members) that brings it down to 9 years.
Neither calculation includes the estimated 800,000 that come in or return each year.
The focus should not be on which elderly in our community are having a free supper. We should be focused on the IRS going after the employer and DHS/ICE tripling (sp disclaimer) the deportation rate.
Agree with Medic large fines but I would ADD public humiliation of the employer - the highest executive in the corporation. Holding companies all the way up.
Oh, the other group I would go after are the companies that print the fake document supplies. Bet they aren’t illegal businesses; nice legitimate American God fearing folk that don’t control what is done with their products. (yeah) What else are you going to do with paper that looks like a social security card or drivers license. Then I would go after the fake document mills.
Lafayette said on 25 Jan 2008 at 4:09 pm:
Vigilant1,
I checked out GV today. It looks like if snows GV will be the first street to have the snow removed. I noticed the FOR RENT sign in the window. Isn’t that house occupied? Hmm.
Didn’t notice the tagged STOP sign. Hmmmmm. Will call the PD in the morning about it.
The house I mentioned this am was the one that was up for sale by a Hispanic owner (runs a roofing company) for 700K. It is the big yellow house on the right hand side of Greenview Ln, three houses down from the corner of Strasburg. The house was on the market almost two years and the owner moved out a couple of months ago. There was a pickup and another car parked in front for the last week or two. This morning I saw a Hispanic get out of a car (he parked in front of the house next door (2 down from Strasburg.) He had a folded up mattress and a large duffle bag and went into the house. I didn’t notice a FOR RENT sign, but I wasn’t looking. The car he came in is still there and apparently he has joined the rest of the ‘GROUP?’ Will keep an eye out there and see what develops. Maybe the guy who owns the house (roofer) is putting his employees up? That is also the house the county gave a business license to run a beauty shop out of. That is why the house “grew” to the size it is. Apparently business wasn’t good.
Called in to zoning the car parked on the lawn on Lomond Dr. (1st house on right after the bridge) heading towards the light at Damascus. Car has been there for a couple of weeks with a For Sale sign and no plates on it. Had to call it in as the web site to fill out a complaint disappeared (unable to locate page error.) Notified gentleman I spoke to it was not working. Went back later and still no complaint form page. Will check again.
Lafayette,
Vigilant1 said on 25 Jan 2008 at 10:16 pm:
Lafayette said on 25 Jan 2008 at 4:09 pm:
Vigilant1,
I checked out GV today. It looks like if snows GV will be the first street to have the snow removed. I noticed the FOR RENT sign in the window. Isn’t that house occupied? Hmm.
Didn’t notice the tagged STOP sign. Hmmmmm. Will call the PD in the morning about it.
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Tagged stop sign was not a gang tagging. Someone sprayed ing under the word STOP. PD will notify VDOT.
Vigliant1,
Thank you. VDOT was pretty quick to get the stop sign replaced at Woodstock & Copeland. Glad it was NOT gang tagging. Why don’t these punks just STOP! Any sign of the NW in action yet?
Lafayette said on 26 Jan 2008 at 2:59 pm:
Vigliant1,
I see the signs going up but have not heard who is leading this campaign. If you find out, please post it as I am interested in doing my “shift.”
The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 25 Jan 2008 at 7:59 am:
Hey Bob Wills….actually….if you cannot read or speak enough english to understand the rules and regulations to operate a business in the U.S. then you better get someone who can. That is not an excuse for not being held accountable. If you operate a business in the U.S….you better be legal (to include all of your employees). Period. Just like when any legal individual takes a job….you must provide proof via the I-9. If a worker on a visa is working they must be able to show their documentation and have it verified. Business owners should have an even higher standard…since they are supposed to “keep the books” and properly pay their taxes. So Bob….YOU ARE WRONG!
Patriot
If you believe that the Korean business all or even most of them operate within the laws think again. Ask the building enforcment office of Fairfax county who they have the most problems with in violations. Ask them who whines that they are being descriminated on all the time when they are expected to obey the laws of the county. Saying they are ” supposed to keep books” does not mean they do not have two sets of books. Are you that ignorant of what goes on in the world? It is the BOCS who have passed zoning laws that cost you and me and the citizens extra for dry cleaning bills each week because they have no competetion from fixed price dry cleaners. I delt with the Koreans in annandale for several years and what a bunch of fools. The Mob when it came to PWC in the 70’s ran better business then the Koreans do.
I am not wrong you just do not understand what goes on in the real world.
One Voice said on 25 Jan 2008 at 8:33 pm:
We have to take out the 800,000 returning, I do not think they will be back if the jobs are dried up.
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The key is to dry up the jobs. I read an article where an ILLEGAL alien was telling his family not to come because the jobs were not here anymore.