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The WashPo Advertises For The Section 287(g) Program

By Greg L | 25 January 2008 | Illegal Aliens, Virginia Politics | 30 Comments

How tightly linked is the illegal alien problem and the gang problem in Northern Virginia? From the look of today’s Washington Post, you’d have to come to the conclusion that they’re one and the same problem:

Of the 341 gang members arrested by ICE in the state between February 2005 and September 2007, almost 80 percent were members of MS-13, the study found. Gang investigators estimate that 90 percent of the members of that gang are illegal immigrants, the study said.

No, not every illegal alien is an MS-13 gang-banger, or a member of Surenos-13, or the “South Side Locos” which have exploded onto the scene lately.  Plenty of illegal aliens have decided to confine their violations of the law to federal immigration violations, identity fraud, and tax evasion, but not professionalize themselves into full-fledged rapists, murders and illegal narcotics wholesalers.  If we didn’t have illegal aliens unlawfully residing in our communities, we would however remove about 90% of the members of MS-13 and similar gangs.

Now that Prince William County is deporting more illegal aliens through the Section 287(g) Program than the entire State Department of Corrections and the Virginia State Police combined, perhaps recognition that there’s a serious problem here is past due in the Governor’s office, and by the House Democratic Caucus and Senate Caucus leadership.  It’s well past time for Virginia and it’s localities to enroll in the Section 287(g) Program, and ensure that criminal illegal aliens are identified upon detainment, and promptly removed from the country at the end of their terms of confinement.

I’m actually surprised to see the Washington Post report this.  These facts certainly seem to cut the legs out from under the editorials that have appeared in the Post opposing this program.  It should also undercut the inanity coming from the Governor and several (but not all) members of his party.  Is this the chance for those Democrats talking sense on this issue to finally get the Governor to listen?  Let’s hope so.

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  1. Local Yocal said on 25 Jan 2008 at 9:58 pm:
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    Miller asks state police to join ICE

    Del. Jackson H. Miller, R-Manassas, received quick approval of his bill that would force Gov. Timothy M. Kaine to enter into an agreement with Immigrations and Customs Enforcement. This would establish a formal relationship under the 287(g) program for the entire Virginia State Police force and ICE.

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  2. CJC said on 26 Jan 2008 at 2:24 am:
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    Those statistics are scary, but not surprising. I hope this will wake up more people and help make everyone grasp the seriousness of the problems brought on by not securing the border.

  3. Herndon Bob said on 26 Jan 2008 at 3:40 am:
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    Here is the CIS link


  4. jfk said on 26 Jan 2008 at 6:48 am:
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    What is Lingamfelter thinking with his bill? Spend a million dollars on an assistance program for illegals “on a path to citizenship”? I don’t know Lingamfelter or his politics; I see he represents our local area (not mine) and he is a Republican. Am I missing something here? This seems to go against everything we asked for from our politicians!

  5. Dave in PWC said on 26 Jan 2008 at 6:50 am:
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    Speaking of the 287g rule, does Manassas participate yet? I saw that they arrested two Joses involved with a series of home breakins and thefts. Wonder if they are illegals? After all they are just doing the jobs that Americans mostly won’t do.

  6. Bridget said on 26 Jan 2008 at 7:55 am:
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    Back in Jan. of 2004, a flyer was distributed via the Arlington Public schools announcing that the Police Chief Scott was hosting a forum for “Arlington’s Latino and immigrant community.” The event was co-sponored by the Latino Arlington Committee and The Urban Alternative.

    From a Sun-Gazette news report of the event:

    “One of the topics that came up first was a wave of false documents that have been circulating in the community. Con artists sell unsuspecting residents ‘international drivers licences’ which they claim will allow the buyer to drive in the United States. Many residents have been finding themselves spending hundreds of dollars for documents that are useless.”

    So, in effect, the cons got conned by cons. By attempting to buy stolen, conterfeit and forged documents, in an effort to pass themselves off as legit, they are victims? They are unsuspecting residents?

    One of the main arguments put forth to defend “Sanctury City” policies is that
    immigrants will shun reporting crimes and cooperating with police investigations for fear of deportation. But little is ever mentioned of the fact that within these sanctuary areas, criminals are given a comfy place to ply their trade - Immigrants - legal and illegal, prey on one another.

    The gangs know they have an easy target market - from false documents, prostitution, to targeting kids for recruitment into the gang life.

    Furthermore , if you happen to have a Hispanic surname, the odds of your identity being stolen go up dramatically. A good friend, who has Cuban ancestry going back four generations, went through hell after it was discovered that her I.D. had been stolen and utilized by five other people. All five left a trail of bills, but have been able to disappear.


  7. Loudoun said on 26 Jan 2008 at 8:21 am:
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    From the article:
    The agency would help immigrants who are on the path to citizenship with employment, housing and other services. Lingamfelter said it could cost about $500,000 to establish the agency and keep it running for the next two years.

    This bill seems to support legal immigrants. Those who are “on the path to citizenship” I believe are those who have applied for citizenship and followed the legal immigration process.

    We should help those who are doing the right thing - while doing everything in our power to rid America of those who have illegally invaded our country.

  8. One Voice said on 26 Jan 2008 at 8:25 am:
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    Might also include the thousands that have overstayed their Visas and have submitted a request for extension. I understand they (feds) are woefully behind on this process….

  9. DennisD said on 26 Jan 2008 at 8:40 am:
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    Law enforcement authorized by 287(g) is working in Herndon:


    The table below provides statistical data in relation to the Town of Herndon Memorandum of Agreement (MOA), with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). A contact is an event that resulted in a 287 (g) investigation. A detainer is generally obtained when the investigation, or ICE authorization, calls for detention. Detainees are held in the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center and eventually processed through the federal court system. Final disposition of these cases is under the purview of ICE.

    Contacts Detainers Issued
    June / July 19 13
    August 8 3
    September 10 4
    October 10 3
    November 11 6
    Year to Date 58 29

    29 illegal aliens arrested for felonies or DUI are tagged for deportation after they have served thir time in jail.

    Herndon is just a little safer. Imagine if the 287(g) program was implemented state-wide.

  10. Loudoun said on 26 Jan 2008 at 8:54 am:
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    One Voice - good point. Perhaps we should contact Lingamfelter and make sure his bill clarifies that only those who have completely followed our immigration laws benefit from this bill.

  11. Bridget said on 26 Jan 2008 at 9:23 am:
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    I would like to know how much of this money will actually be going to the immigrants - and not just to lawyers or for other “administrative” costs.

  12. alexandrianagainstillegals said on 26 Jan 2008 at 9:39 am:
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    Someone should forward this article to the tree huggers in WI, who are about to make a mistake.


    Dane County Jail May Change Illegal Immigrant Policy
    Reporter: Zac Schultz
    Email Address: zschultz@nbc15.com



    Immigration Policy Changes
    VIDEO: http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/14427982.html


    Madison, WI: Dane County Jail officials are thinking about not telling Immigration and Customs officials when they arrest certain illegal immigrants.

    That’s because officials are worried about a severe backlog in the court system; if every illegal immigrant is worried jail time will lead to automatic deportation.

    Anthony Delyea is a public defender. The court pays him to represent the poorest defendants. By his count he handles nearly 250 cases a year, and more than a 100 involve illegal immigrants.

    Delyea says 98% of his cases never see a courtroom, as his clients take plea deals for reduced sentences. That is changing. “I have three cases that are going to go to trial that would have settled before.”

    The change occurred at the federal level. U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE, is now working to deport illegals convicted of even the smallest crime. “If you enter a plea to something as relatively minor as operating after revocation and you have to serve any jail time you might be deported,” says Delyea.

    Now the only way to avoid jail time and possible deportation is to go to trial, even with a longshot case. Delyea says trials take time, and they are expensive- both for him and the court system. “When you start thinking about how much that’s going to cost it’s almost terrifying to me.”

    “It really surfaced about a couple months ago,” says Peter Munoz, the Director of Centro Hispano. He says members of the illegal immigrant community are scared, and they may stop reporting crimes or skip court dates to avoid deportation. “It’s creating this tremendous problem, where ICE is actually acting immediately, placing those holds and deporting people.”

    The topic came up at a meeting of the Dane County Criminal Justice Group. Sheriff Dave Mahoney says for more than three decades they have notified ICE when an illegal immigrant is booked in the jail-usually about 20 times a month.

    Most of the time ICE would only put holds on a few. But last fall ICE put detainers on 60% of illegal immigrants in the jail. “When we inquired as to October and November why there was this spike, their response was, we had a significant increase in staff, which resulted in our ability to respond,” says Mahoney.

    The Sheriff and the District Attorney have agreed to examine the policy to notify ICE about illegal immigrants in the jail.

    They say one possibility is to only notifiy ICE about those charged with the most serious offenses.

  13. A-non-Imus said on 26 Jan 2008 at 10:27 am:
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    Don’t know about the flyer Bridget mentioned at 7:55 a.m., but just for the record, there is no “Latino Arlington Committee”

  14. A-non-Imus said on 26 Jan 2008 at 10:30 am:
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    Oh, maybe you mean the Hispanic Committee of Virginia….

  15. Robert T. Molleur said on 26 Jan 2008 at 10:31 am:
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    Re: “there is no “Latino Arlington Committee”

    Yes there is, it’s the all Democrat Arlington County Board headed by Chairman Jose Walter Tejada.

  16. Vigilant1 said on 26 Jan 2008 at 10:35 am:
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    Herndon Bob said on 26 Jan 2008 at 3:40 am:
    Here is the CIS link

    Finally, few provisions exist in immigration law to bar gang members from obtaining U.S. residency. For example, some gang members have been able to avoid removal because they qualify for temporary protected status (TPS) awarded to Central Americans after natural disasters that took place in 1998 and 2001.
    This is the scarey part. Since they are “protected” they can’t be deported. Lets remove the temporary protected status. After 10 years of being in this country because of a hurricane, the time is past due to return them back to their country. The President of el Salvador made a statement not long ago requesting more extensions of the protected status for his citizens because he said there are no jobs for them and the country needs the money they send back every week. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

  17. One Voice said on 26 Jan 2008 at 11:17 am:
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    1. Just math………

    There are 12 Million illegal aliens in the US
    ICE Deported 300,0000 in FY07
    At that rate, it will take 40 years
    Cut by three (assuming family members) that brings it down to 13 years

    Assume 30% Self-Deport.
    At the ICE deportation rate of 300,000 per year,
    It will take 27years
    Cut by three (assuming family members) that brings it down to 9 years.

    Neither calculation includes the estimated 800,000 that come in or return each year.

    There are 94 federal courts in the US. Assume that two courtroom run 35 hours per week per court doing deportation hearings. That is 6,580 hours a week for all 94 courts. Assume a 48 week average per year that’s a total of 315,840 hours of deportation hearings. Assume 30 minutes per hearing thats 157,920 deportation hearings per year.

    Oh, the other group I would go after are the companies that print the fake document supplies. Bet they aren’t illegal businesses; nice legitimate American God fearing folk that don’t control what is done with their products. (yeah) What else are you going to do with paper that looks like a social security card or drivers license. Then I would go after the fake document mills.

    This week in PWC our leaders decided to go after the elderly in our community that might be having a free supper. We should be focused on the IRS going after the employer and DHS/ICE tripling (sp disclaimer) the deportation rate.

    Agree with Medic large fines but I would ADD public humiliation of the employer - the highest executive in the corporation. Holding companies all the way up.

  18. Bridget said on 26 Jan 2008 at 11:23 am:
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    As I only have the paper flyer from the 2004 event, I went on a little search.

    Hope that link links, if not, try going here and hit the first item on the list;



    Not only was the paper flyer distributed via th school system, the directive was to hand them out to Latino students only. That notation, from the top of my paper copy, was made by a school teacher I know.

  19. starryflights said on 26 Jan 2008 at 11:23 am:
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    I posted about Lingamfelter’s Bill in the open thread. What is he thinking is right? I don’t understand why immigrants need their own agency to look for jobs, housing and more at taxpayers expense. How do they plan to screen for legal versus illegal and would they really? Why can’t immigrants use the same agencies that are out there for us (the common Joe) to use? It sounds like they would be getting better help than is available for U.S. Citizens. I don’t like it and I have already emailed Lingamfelter. This Bill shows were he really stands. He will not be getting any of my votes in the future.

  20. Bridget said on 26 Jan 2008 at 12:03 pm:
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  21. Bridget said on 26 Jan 2008 at 12:36 pm:
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    As shocking as the story of the attack on four college kids in Newark, NJ was - it was amazing to me that the story vanished as quickly as it did.

    The TPS issue was part and parcel…



  22. Alexandrianagainstillegals said on 26 Jan 2008 at 12:43 pm:
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    Yes this issue according to our esteemed governor Kaine, is still a Federal issue, and even though it affects the safety of the Citizens of VA, he wont take any action.

    Can someone please pull his head out of the sand and introduce him to reality?

  23. Alexandrianagainstillegals said on 26 Jan 2008 at 12:46 pm:
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    Any Arlington residents on this site should go to that Meeting.


  24. Bridget said on 26 Jan 2008 at 4:55 pm:
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    Alexandrianagainst illegals,

    Too late. Double check the date.

    That meeting was held back in 2004 … I posted the link to provide further proof that, for the record, there was a Latino Arlington Committee.

  25. One Voice said on 26 Jan 2008 at 5:11 pm:
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    Alexandrianagainstillegals said on 26 Jan 2008 at 12:43 pm:
    Yes this issue according to our esteemed governor Kaine, is still a Federal issue, and even though it affects the safety of the Citizens of VA, he wont take any action.

    Can someone please pull his head out of the sand and introduce him to reality?

    Maybe he sees numbers and dollars the way I do? Just a thought. 287(g) does very little in the grand scheme of things. Except when it’s in the jails.

  26. jfk said on 26 Jan 2008 at 6:29 pm:
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    I can’t wait to pull Kaine’s head out of the sand and his a$$ out of the governor’s mansion in the next election. He has been the worst governor since Wilder, IMHO. I would have to see him in an ICE uniform helping to execute a sting operation before ever thinking of casting a vote for him. On second thought, even that wouldn’t be enough.

    I predict he won’t even run for re-election.

  27. Johnson said on 26 Jan 2008 at 6:34 pm:
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    Illegal means illegal. Same with the gun control issue. Criminals don’t buy guns at gun shows. Crooks break more than one law at a time.

  28. Joe Curmudgeon said on 26 Jan 2008 at 7:32 pm:
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    “I’m actually surprised to see the Washington Post report this. ”

    Yeah, that’s so weird that way the newspaper reports, you know, news. It’s almost as if the editorial page was a completely different animal from the other 80 or so pages. Weird, huh?

  29. MP Resident said on 26 Jan 2008 at 7:48 pm:
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    “I predict he won’t even run for re-election.”

    He can’t, at least not for Governor of Virginia. That is a one-term office

  30. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 28 Jan 2008 at 12:42 pm:
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    One Voice said on 25 Jan 2008 at 8:33 pm:

    We have to take out the 800,000 returning, I do not think they will be back if the jobs are dried up.

    The key is to dry up the jobs. I read an article where an ILLEGAL alien was telling his family not to come because the jobs were not here anymore.

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