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	<title>Comments on: Episcopal Diocese Defends Privileges Of &#8220;Migrants&#8221;</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/</link>
	<description>Blog-Fu for Prince William, Manassas and Manassas Park politics.</description>
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		<title>By: Bridget</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-52195</link>
		<dc:creator>Bridget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-52195</guid>
		<description>http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2008/01/30/religious-left-alert-new-baptist-covenant-with-immigration-enthusiasts/print/</description>
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		<title>By: One Voice</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-52148</link>
		<dc:creator>One Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-52148</guid>
		<description>jfk - maybe that's why patience is a virtue.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jfk - maybe that&#8217;s why patience is a virtue.  <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: jfk</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-52054</link>
		<dc:creator>jfk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-52054</guid>
		<description>Archimedes went to Syracuse...or was it SUNY?</description>
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		<title>By: jfk</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-52052</link>
		<dc:creator>jfk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-52052</guid>
		<description>JM-Your comment about the Rooted in Faith campaign reminded me of a funny story.  I received a call from one of the volunteers when that campaign started.  He's a prominent parisoner, but I won't name names.  Anyway, he stated he was calling on behalf of Father Bob, and wanted to come by and explain the program and get a "committment" from my wife and I.  After listening to this for several minutes, I explained that my wife and I would be giving what we could afford, but didn't want to name the amount or make a multi-year commitment.  This person became rather huffy, and said that he would tell Father Bob what I said, and I could expect a call from him soon.  I said I would welcome the call, and that I would tell Father Bob the same thing I told this him.  Six years later, I am still waiting for that phone call!

We've all given a lot of money to this campaign, only to watch other parishes get all the loan money while we wait.  I recently heard that St. Veronica in Chantilly was not making their loan payments, and that was the reason we could not build our church two years ago.  Meanwhile, the cost of materials goes up about twenty percent per year.  I think we are chasing a moving target.

One Voice - Sometimes the waiting is tough.  Getting a good priest is a mixed blessing, because you know his time with you will be short.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JM-Your comment about the Rooted in Faith campaign reminded me of a funny story.  I received a call from one of the volunteers when that campaign started.  He&#8217;s a prominent parisoner, but I won&#8217;t name names.  Anyway, he stated he was calling on behalf of Father Bob, and wanted to come by and explain the program and get a &#8220;committment&#8221; from my wife and I.  After listening to this for several minutes, I explained that my wife and I would be giving what we could afford, but didn&#8217;t want to name the amount or make a multi-year commitment.  This person became rather huffy, and said that he would tell Father Bob what I said, and I could expect a call from him soon.  I said I would welcome the call, and that I would tell Father Bob the same thing I told this him.  Six years later, I am still waiting for that phone call!</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve all given a lot of money to this campaign, only to watch other parishes get all the loan money while we wait.  I recently heard that St. Veronica in Chantilly was not making their loan payments, and that was the reason we could not build our church two years ago.  Meanwhile, the cost of materials goes up about twenty percent per year.  I think we are chasing a moving target.</p>
<p>One Voice - Sometimes the waiting is tough.  Getting a good priest is a mixed blessing, because you know his time with you will be short.</p>
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		<title>By: One Voice</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-52046</link>
		<dc:creator>One Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-52046</guid>
		<description>So were Jack Lemmon, T.S. Eliot, E. E. Cumnings and  Leonard Berntstein and Once Voice's Uncle and cousin.  Should we keep going or is there a point to this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So were Jack Lemmon, T.S. Eliot, E. E. Cumnings and  Leonard Berntstein and Once Voice&#8217;s Uncle and cousin.  Should we keep going or is there a point to this?</p>
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		<title>By: 999</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-52027</link>
		<dc:creator>999</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-52027</guid>
		<description>Just Saying... said on 29 Jan 2008 at 2:32 pm: 
Archimedes–Ted Kaczynski was a Harvard man…

Al Gore was too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just Saying&#8230; said on 29 Jan 2008 at 2:32 pm:<br />
Archimedes–Ted Kaczynski was a Harvard man…</p>
<p>Al Gore was too!</p>
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		<title>By: Krusty</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-52015</link>
		<dc:creator>Krusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-52015</guid>
		<description>You guys are just toooo much!</description>
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		<title>By: Just Saying...</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-52014</link>
		<dc:creator>Just Saying...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-52014</guid>
		<description>Archimedes--Ted Kaczynski was a Harvard man...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Archimedes&#8211;Ted Kaczynski was a Harvard man&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Patriot (Got E-Verify?)</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-51996</link>
		<dc:creator>The Patriot (Got E-Verify?)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-51996</guid>
		<description>Patty, that is correct.</description>
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		<title>By: Patty</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-51994</link>
		<dc:creator>Patty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-51994</guid>
		<description>Patriot,

"The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 29 Jan 2008 at 8:06 am: 
Josh, actually, the Bible interprets itself…without need of human doctrine meddling. If you look at any given topic in the Bible and find ALL the scriptures in the Bible that relate to the topic, the scriptures will interpret the scriptures. This is what a lot of people ignore or forget when they study the Bible. They take one or two verses out of context because they don’t allow the other related scriptures to help build the entire picture."

I agree with you.  The method of interpretation you describe is called exegesis in which the text speaks for itself.  The other method of which I've seen indirect references to on this thread and others (Ex. you can interpret the Bible anyway you want ...) is called eisegesis.  Eisegesis - the interpretation of a text (as of the Bible) by reading into it one's own ideas - Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary.   In other words, one would take their own biases and reinterpret Scripture based on their biases.  

God judges our actions based on His truth which never changes.  We are all accountable.  We all have fallen short.  That's why He sent Jesus to save us.  He did it because He loves us very much and we are precious to Him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patriot,</p>
<p>&#8220;The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 29 Jan 2008 at 8:06 am:<br />
Josh, actually, the Bible interprets itself…without need of human doctrine meddling. If you look at any given topic in the Bible and find ALL the scriptures in the Bible that relate to the topic, the scriptures will interpret the scriptures. This is what a lot of people ignore or forget when they study the Bible. They take one or two verses out of context because they don’t allow the other related scriptures to help build the entire picture.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree with you.  The method of interpretation you describe is called exegesis in which the text speaks for itself.  The other method of which I&#8217;ve seen indirect references to on this thread and others (Ex. you can interpret the Bible anyway you want &#8230;) is called eisegesis.  Eisegesis - the interpretation of a text (as of the Bible) by reading into it one&#8217;s own ideas - Merriam Webster&#8217;s Collegiate Dictionary.   In other words, one would take their own biases and reinterpret Scripture based on their biases.  </p>
<p>God judges our actions based on His truth which never changes.  We are all accountable.  We all have fallen short.  That&#8217;s why He sent Jesus to save us.  He did it because He loves us very much and we are precious to Him.</p>
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		<title>By: JM</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-51975</link>
		<dc:creator>JM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-51975</guid>
		<description>jfk and Vigilant1

Yes I am a parishioner at All Saints, but have lmited input on the building fund debacle.  I have only been a member of the parish for 7 years, so I wasn't there when the school addition was built.  When I first joined, the building fund was being used to pay off the remainder of the school loan, but I was aware of that.  I also knew that a new sanctuary was in the works, but the school loan had to be paid before the parish began saving the down payment for sanctuary construction.

I do agree that the building committee sends out limited and false information, and that they limit input from the rest of the parish.  Several times we have been given a percentage or dollar amount needed to begin construction, and every time we meet that goal our evil and lying bishop raises the amount.  We are supposed to begin constrcution this year, but we've been told that before.  I'll believe it when it happens.

About 5 or 6 years ago the parish was given comment cards at mass asking for input on the new church.  I filled out a comment, and received a phone call to attend a meeting about the new church.  Turned out it was a meeting for the "Rooted in Faith, Forward in Hope" fundraising effort, and they wanted us to call parishioners to get them to pledge funds for the next five years.  I refused to do it, and when I received the call I told them that I would not pledge because the money went to the bishop, who would send back only a portion to All Saints,  I also said that I could not trust our bishop to do what he promised and do the right thing with our pledges.

I am a library volunteer at the church, and Father Bob did ask our library what we wanted for the library room in the new building.  Don't know if we'll get it, but he did accept our wish list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jfk and Vigilant1</p>
<p>Yes I am a parishioner at All Saints, but have lmited input on the building fund debacle.  I have only been a member of the parish for 7 years, so I wasn&#8217;t there when the school addition was built.  When I first joined, the building fund was being used to pay off the remainder of the school loan, but I was aware of that.  I also knew that a new sanctuary was in the works, but the school loan had to be paid before the parish began saving the down payment for sanctuary construction.</p>
<p>I do agree that the building committee sends out limited and false information, and that they limit input from the rest of the parish.  Several times we have been given a percentage or dollar amount needed to begin construction, and every time we meet that goal our evil and lying bishop raises the amount.  We are supposed to begin constrcution this year, but we&#8217;ve been told that before.  I&#8217;ll believe it when it happens.</p>
<p>About 5 or 6 years ago the parish was given comment cards at mass asking for input on the new church.  I filled out a comment, and received a phone call to attend a meeting about the new church.  Turned out it was a meeting for the &#8220;Rooted in Faith, Forward in Hope&#8221; fundraising effort, and they wanted us to call parishioners to get them to pledge funds for the next five years.  I refused to do it, and when I received the call I told them that I would not pledge because the money went to the bishop, who would send back only a portion to All Saints,  I also said that I could not trust our bishop to do what he promised and do the right thing with our pledges.</p>
<p>I am a library volunteer at the church, and Father Bob did ask our library what we wanted for the library room in the new building.  Don&#8217;t know if we&#8217;ll get it, but he did accept our wish list.</p>
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		<title>By: One Voice</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-51974</link>
		<dc:creator>One Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-51974</guid>
		<description>jfk - agree about the political process.  Some priests are better than others in being all encompassing and not being so speficic in their thoughts.  It's like praying for a sepcific event as opposed to praying for the right/best thing to happen.

Fortunately for us, they move around so we don' have to!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jfk - agree about the political process.  Some priests are better than others in being all encompassing and not being so speficic in their thoughts.  It&#8217;s like praying for a sepcific event as opposed to praying for the right/best thing to happen.</p>
<p>Fortunately for us, they move around so we don&#8217; have to!</p>
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		<title>By: The Patriot (Got E-Verify?)</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-51972</link>
		<dc:creator>The Patriot (Got E-Verify?)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-51972</guid>
		<description>Decisions of a Church should only be made based on what the Bible says. Therefore, if a Church needs to make a decision on how to handle certain situations, they need to bounce the ideas off the Bible to see how the Bible says to handle the situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Decisions of a Church should only be made based on what the Bible says. Therefore, if a Church needs to make a decision on how to handle certain situations, they need to bounce the ideas off the Bible to see how the Bible says to handle the situation.</p>
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		<title>By: The Patriot (Got E-Verify?)</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-51971</link>
		<dc:creator>The Patriot (Got E-Verify?)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-51971</guid>
		<description>Josh, actually, the Bible interprets itself...without need of human doctrine meddling. If you look at any given topic in the Bible and find ALL the scriptures in the Bible that relate to the topic, the scriptures will interpret the scriptures. This is what a lot of people ignore or forget when they study the Bible. They take one or two verses out of context because they don't allow the other related scriptures to help build the entire picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, actually, the Bible interprets itself&#8230;without need of human doctrine meddling. If you look at any given topic in the Bible and find ALL the scriptures in the Bible that relate to the topic, the scriptures will interpret the scriptures. This is what a lot of people ignore or forget when they study the Bible. They take one or two verses out of context because they don&#8217;t allow the other related scriptures to help build the entire picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Bridget</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-51967</link>
		<dc:creator>Bridget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-51967</guid>
		<description>http://www.kptm.com/Global/story.asp?S=7764342&#38;nav=menu606_2

Sue the employers AND the churches for the costs.


Someone who feels indebted to society is too often wanting and willing to use your money(and infringe on your rights) to accomplish his lofty goals.</description>
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<p>Sue the employers AND the churches for the costs.</p>
<p>Someone who feels indebted to society is too often wanting and willing to use your money(and infringe on your rights) to accomplish his lofty goals.</p>
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		<title>By: Archimedes</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-51964</link>
		<dc:creator>Archimedes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-51964</guid>
		<description>At least I didn't drown in the bathtub. 

I agree with your comments on Catholicsm.  I have no issue with any of the core beliefs, and don't think they need to be defended.  I just hate the attempt to inject political views into the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least I didn&#8217;t drown in the bathtub. </p>
<p>I agree with your comments on Catholicsm.  I have no issue with any of the core beliefs, and don&#8217;t think they need to be defended.  I just hate the attempt to inject political views into the process.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-51957</link>
		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 06:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-51957</guid>
		<description>patriot,

I totally agree...that's all you need! Just a bible and you are all set. Everything you do need to know is in there. That is one of the main issues I had with the Mormon Church before I split with them. I really enjoyed the bible study portion, however the other texts of the church didnt leave a very good feeling inside. I'm of personal belief that the bible was meant to be interpreted by the person reading it i.e. yourself and that you dont need anyone to interpret it for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>patriot,</p>
<p>I totally agree&#8230;that&#8217;s all you need! Just a bible and you are all set. Everything you do need to know is in there. That is one of the main issues I had with the Mormon Church before I split with them. I really enjoyed the bible study portion, however the other texts of the church didnt leave a very good feeling inside. I&#8217;m of personal belief that the bible was meant to be interpreted by the person reading it i.e. yourself and that you dont need anyone to interpret it for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Templar Knight</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-51954</link>
		<dc:creator>Templar Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 04:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-51954</guid>
		<description>Baphomet!  Baphomet!  Baphomet!</description>
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		<title>By: Templar Knight</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-51953</link>
		<dc:creator>Templar Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 04:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Poor Fellow-Soldier of Christ and the Temple of Solomon I have been fighting these immigration battles since the Siege of Acra.  If not the Hitites then the phillipians.  If not Saladin then Phillip The Fair.

I am very, very tired of outsiders coming to the land I conquered and then annoying me.  My armor, shiled and braodswoard will soon put an end to this acrimony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Poor Fellow-Soldier of Christ and the Temple of Solomon I have been fighting these immigration battles since the Siege of Acra.  If not the Hitites then the phillipians.  If not Saladin then Phillip The Fair.</p>
<p>I am very, very tired of outsiders coming to the land I conquered and then annoying me.  My armor, shiled and braodswoard will soon put an end to this acrimony.</p>
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		<title>By: One Voice</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-51950</link>
		<dc:creator>One Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 04:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/01/27/episcopal-diocese-defends-privileges-of-migrants/#comment-51950</guid>
		<description>I think Archimedes died at the hands of the Romans completing a problem in the sand?  

Good pick - he was fierce to the end :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Archimedes died at the hands of the Romans completing a problem in the sand?  </p>
<p>Good pick - he was fierce to the end <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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