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E-Verify Moves To Subcommittee

By Greg L | 28 January 2008 | Illegal Aliens, 29th VA Senate, Virginia Senate | 22 Comments

Senator Colgan’s SB 90 moved to the Senate Courts of Justice Special Subcommittee on Immigration today where it faces an uphill battle to survive given that Dick Saslaw heads this subcomittee. SB 90 would to require that all Virginia employers participate in the federal E-Verify program, making it tremendously more difficult for illegal aliens to unlawfully obtain employment using fraudulent documents.

This subcommittee has the following members:

The only way this excellent bill is going to survive this committee is if Virginians reach out to these elected officials and make them aware of how important this legislative reform is. Save The Old Dominion has an easy way you can contact these Senators using their “Take Action Page“, and readers would be well advised to start calling these Senators as well.

The best opportunity for E-Verify to happen in Virginia is with this bill, since Saslaw is less likely to kill a bill offered by his Democratic colleague Chuck Colgan than he would a similar measure that came from the House of Delegates, especially if Senator Colgan pushes for this to pass. Contacting Senator Colgan and offering your support while urging him to fight for this would probably help a lot too. His phone number is (804) 698-7529 and you can email him at district29@sov.state.va.us.

Here is the sample email that Save The Old Dominion is making available through it’s email system:

As one of the four members of the Special Subcommittee on Immigration in the Senate Courts of Justice Committee you will play an important role in determining whether Senator Colgan’s SB 90 gets a full hearing on it’s merits in the Senate. I urge you to pass this in subcommittee and ensure this important legislative reform receives the careful consideration it truly deserves.

This bill would require that Virginia employers screen prospective employees using the free E-Verify system operated by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. It ensures that the identification documents presented by an employee are actually valid, and protects businesses from false charges of employment discrimination. Most importantly, this is one of the most effective methods of reducing the incidence of identity theft.

Imagine your child not getting a student loan or financial aid because an illegal alien appropriated his or her Social Security Number in order to fraudulently obtain employment. The reported earnings from this fraud can deny your child financial aid, and derogatory credit information can make getting a student loan an absolute nightmare, since that bad credit history may be the only credit history your child has. Too many students learn they are the victims of this crime only when they try to enroll in college, and end up not being able to enroll. Utah performed a study of this issue and found thousands of children who have been the victims of this nefarious scheme.

Arizona and Oklahoma have done what Senator Colgan is proposing, and none of the dire impacts the business lobby would have you believe are inevitable have come to pass. Instead, this one measure has largely restored a level playing field for businesses, raised the incomes of tradesmen and low skilled workers who no longer have to compete with illegal aliens for jobs, and significantly curtailed identity theft. About the only negative impact observed, if you can characterize it as that, is that companies who depended on cheap illegal alien labor are having a harder time.

It is worth noting that Alfredo Ramos, the illegal alien who killed Allison Kunhardt and Tessa Tranchant in Virginia Beach last year, was one of those illegal aliens who had committed identity theft so that he could earn an income unlawfully in the United States. Had employers been using the E-Verify system at the time, Ramos wouldn’t have been able to get a job, would have not remained in Virginia, and those two girls would be alive today.

Please let me know what you intend to do when this bill comes up.

This is one of the most significant reforms proposed this session.  If there’s anything worth fighting for this session, this is it.



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22 Comments

  1. Loudoun said on 28 Jan 2008 at 3:59 pm:
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    Greg L

    Great news! I am so glad it has made it through to the subcommittee. Greg -you need to fix this…

    “Had employers been using the E-Verify system at the time, Ramos wouldn’t have been able to get a job, would NOT HAVE remained in Virginia, and those two girls would be alive today.”

  2. Alexandrianagainstillegals said on 28 Jan 2008 at 4:06 pm:
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    Greg L

    1) Why did this get moved to subcommittee?

    2) Was there a chance it could have gone straight to the floor? If yes, why didnt this happen?

    Im not sure whether todays action was good or bad since I dont know how the process works in VA.

  3. 999 said on 28 Jan 2008 at 4:21 pm:
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    If there is any way Saslaw can kill this bill, HE WILL!

  4. DemMom said on 28 Jan 2008 at 4:31 pm:
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    I did everything that you asked in this post. I ask my fellow Democrats to the same.

    We are working class Americans and we need your support. When our jobs aren’t being taken by illegal aliens, our employers use the threat of job loss to illegal aliens, as a way to cut our salaries and kill our benefits.

    Who would you rather have build your house, cook your food, or fix your car or your child’s school bus — an American citizen who has had some training and pays into the system — or an illegal alien who steals our resources everyday, and has allegiance only to him or herself?

  5. Thumper said on 28 Jan 2008 at 4:33 pm:
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    subcommittee can be bad generally. It’s common for Republicans to take gun bills they didn’t like and forward them to this subcommittee made up for 3 rabid Democrats and 2 Republicans. Then the bill would be past over in subcommittee 3-2 along party lines and then Republicans would wash their hands of it and say “We tried but this stupid subcommittee passed it over.” when Republican leadership threw it to this subcommittee in the first place.

  6. Loudoun said on 28 Jan 2008 at 4:46 pm:
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    I emailed and called all four senators. I urge everyone to do the same.

    DemMom - you are an inspiration. Thank you!

  7. Batson D. Belfrey said on 28 Jan 2008 at 4:49 pm:
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    This thing will die. Saslaw will kill it there, and Colgan will say “I tried”. Our politicians at every level are selling us out to business owners who benefit from cheap labor.

  8. DemMom said on 28 Jan 2008 at 5:01 pm:
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    Well, thanks for that insight, BDB. Did you do your part by contacting the senators on the committee? Or are you just kvetching?

  9. One Voice said on 28 Jan 2008 at 5:19 pm:
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    Like I said, I’ve heard from pal in Richmond that there is soooo much opposition to this from the Chambers of Commerce that it is likely DOA.

    Business strikes again. Who we gonna blame?

    OH BROTHER!!!

  10. Anonymous said on 28 Jan 2008 at 5:27 pm:
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    Senators Lucas, Quayle, Edwards, and Saslaw,

    I am writing in support of SB90. As an employer which currently uses E-Verify as tool to comply with Federal Law. Unfortunately many of my competitor knowing hire employees with counterfeit documentation. Our company is placed at a competitive disadvantage because the law is not being enforced.

    E-Verify should not be seen as a burden for honest employers. E-Verify is a tool for honest employers which will protect them from unknowingly hiring illegal immigrants. It will allow them to protect themselves from Federal fines. The only employers who should oppose this bill are those who are knowingly breaking Federal Immigration law.

    Please send SB90 to the full Senate for a vote, placing all Virginia Employers on a level playing field.

    Thank You for your consideration.

  11. Alexandrianagainstillegals said on 28 Jan 2008 at 5:32 pm:
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    One Voice,

    The fact that business is against proving their employees are in this country legally says quite a bit.

    I hope this becomes a showdown with citizens rising up to hold the politicians accountable - if they side with business, they need to be ready to explain their actions for years to come.

  12. One Voice said on 28 Jan 2008 at 6:03 pm:
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    Alexandria……

    I agree with you 150%. If this doesn’t pass, we cannot waste anymore local money at this time. No state level support, no federal support….. I want my money back. We are you know what in the wind… :)

  13. Bob Wills said on 28 Jan 2008 at 7:31 pm:
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    Saddly there is one problem with the E-Verify system. This is done by a national chain and is one reason that the IRS needs to step up enforcment of who is using illegal employees. When someone give a false SS number this one national chain takes a known valid SS number and uses it for the income reporting requirements. So this way “Ralph or Betty ” keeps on working and working for the same business but keeps on changing their looks. Crooked people are just that. If the Federal Government started checking to see why certain SS numbers were used over and over at a business but also showing up elsewhere as taxable income they could find those who are breaking the law.

    But like all government including PWC they only care about what they want not what the law is.

  14. PWConservative said on 28 Jan 2008 at 11:30 pm:
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    I have some comments on tonights SOTU address, first
    Tonight, we didn’t hear a plan for the issues that matter most to Americans. We didn’t hear a real plan for tackling health care or education, our economy or the housing crisis, or even the war in Iraq.” — Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass.
    Ted
    You didn’t hear a plan because you spent the whole time chatting with Sen. Osama, Which by-the-way though he tried three time’s to shake Bush’s hand, Bush refused, So props to George

    As for the Presidents performance, He did a stunning job, I don’t think even Reagan would do better.
    He Brought up a lot of good points and proposals, Like Allowing Vets to transfer their unused education benefits to their spouses and children
    A great quote on taxes

    “Some in Washington argue that letting tax relief expire is not a tax increase. Try explaining that to 116 million American taxpayers who would see their taxes rise by an average of $1,800. Others have said they would personally be happy to pay higher taxes. I welcome their enthusiasm, and I am pleased to report that the IRS accepts both checks and money orders.”

    And some strong words regarding earmarks
    “The people’s trust in their government is undermined by congressional earmarks — special interest projects that are often snuck in at the last minute, without discussion or debate. Last year, I asked you to voluntarily cut the number and cost of earmarks in half. I also asked you to stop slipping earmarks into committee reports that never even come to a vote. Unfortunately, neither goal was met. So this time, if you send me an appropriations bill that does not cut the number and cost of earmarks in half, I will send it back to you with my veto. And tomorrow, I will issue an executive order that directs federal agencies to ignore any future earmark that is not voted on by the Congress. If these items are truly worth funding, the Congress should debate them in the open and hold a public vote.”

    All in All, a great final State of the Union Address

  15. Citizen12 said on 29 Jan 2008 at 12:28 am:
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    Not to be negative but …. don’t be suprised if ol’ Chuck forgets its his bill and votes the other way. The E verification sure would be high tech. I remember when the Social Security Administration used to have a telephone number you could call to verify a valid SS number. The only problem was you had to hire the person first. On the SOTU, the support from Kennedy may be helpful, but Osama should draw the line at any offers of a ride home from Ted. King George did have a good night. Of course one might wish he actually exersized his veto powers, starting in year one. And his tax cuts really worked, but unfortunately his spending on “George’s earmaks” far exceeded the revenue from them.

  16. Lars W said on 29 Jan 2008 at 1:23 am:
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    Saslaw had it re-referred from Colgan’s Labor and Commerce so he could kill the thing without putting Colgan in a box. Saslaw has vowed that ALL immigration bills will be killed, so of course he forced the re-referral vote to move it into his subcommittee on Courts — a move we will be tired of seeing over and over this session.

    It’s SOOOOO nice that nothing will be discussed on it’s merits. Saslaw has just taken this position because the Dems see political danger as the public continues to be 80%-20% in favor of these immigration reforms. He and the Dems have boxed themselves in politically, especially if the GOP comes out of this session successfully with this issue to run on in 2009. Sad that it’s always about attaining or holding onto power instead of doing the right thing for the citizens of the Commonwealth.

    The best thing to do is just let Saslaw have his fun now, and when a germane House vehicle makes it onto the Senate side, pull out Colgan’s exact language in his original bill as a floor substitute to force these guys on an up or down vote. The first thing that will happen is we’ll get a germaness ruling from Bolling, Saslaw will challenge it, then it will go to a roll call vote on whether it’s germane or not. If it survives the challenge, then they can vote on the floor substitute. We’ll have 2 roll call votes and everybody will be on record finally. It will be interesting to see at that point if Colgan does what his Caucus leader tells him to do, or does what his constituents elected him to do.

  17. Batson D. Belfrey said on 29 Jan 2008 at 7:15 am:
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    “Well, thanks for that insight, BDB. Did you do your part by contacting the senators on the committee? Or are you just kvetching?”

    DemMom,

    Yes, I contacted called and faxed those who will vote on this.

  18. Advocator said on 29 Jan 2008 at 9:54 am:
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    I smell a revolution.

  19. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 29 Jan 2008 at 5:38 pm:
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    Batson D. Belfrey said on 28 Jan 2008 at 4:49 pm:

    I didn’t jump on the band wagon when the bill was introduced. I was chastised some for not doing so. I have seen it many times in IL. The representatives would offer up coal legislation that would allow the mines in So IL to reopen, but it would get killed in committee, just like this one is.

    I will get excited about it if and when it hits the floor and debate is ongoing.

  20. Scott said on 29 Jan 2008 at 10:03 pm:
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    With e-verify we could see more results like this:

    Wilmington — Three people arrested a year ago at a Smithfield Foods Inc. processing plant in Bladen County have been sentenced to federal prison for immigration violations, authorities said Tuesday.

    Twenty-one suspected illegal immigrants were arrested at the plant in Tar Heel on Jan. 27, 2007, following a lengthy investigation into the use of false identification documents by plant workers. Investigators determined that 18 of the 21 were illegal immigrants who had assumed others’ names and Social Security numbers.

    Abimale Sanaozvasquez, Benito Gutierrez-Lopez and Jose Ramirez-Martinez pleaded guilty in November to fraud and misuse of documents. They were each sentenced to 18 months in prison and three years on supervised release.

    Senior U.S. District Judge James Fox also ordered each to be deported at the conclusion of their prison term.

  21. Billyboy said on 30 Jan 2008 at 8:49 pm:
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    Bad News

    SB 90 Employment; verification of eligibility.

    01/30/08 Senate: Passed by indefinitely in Courts of Justice (13-Y 2-N)

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    YEAS–Marsh, Saslaw, Stolle, Quayle, Norment, Howell, Lucas, Edwards, Reynolds, Puller, McDougle, Deeds, Hurt–13.

    NAYS–Cuccinelli, Obenshain–2.

    ABSTENTIONS–0.

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    Legislative Information System | Bills & Resolutions

  22. Jon Way said on 10 Feb 2008 at 9:59 pm:
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    The criterion that employers should only hire those legally entitled to work in the US is fundamental, necessary and right.

    Since 1986, employers and employees have been required to execute an I-9 form which requires the employee to declare his/her legal status and the employer to state it has verified that status using certain documents. Both these attestations are under penalty of perjury.

    This I-9 form is completely adequate if it is used and policed.

    The E-verify system is a useful supplement, but is subject to some important restrictions. It can only be used “after the fact” meaning after an employee has been hired. It is illegal to use it as a screening tool. Also, if it is used for one employee it must be used for all, which can be a serious drawback for a large company with interstate operations. I learned about these important limitations when taking the E-Verify tutorial which employers are required to take before they can use the system.

    I am still working to incorporate a requirement into city contracts which requires an employer to certify that all employees and subcontractor employees who are working on city contracts are legally entitled to work in the US. I have not forgotten this campaign pledge, it just takes time to work through the legal and operational reviews.

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