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PWBOCS To Vote On Funding Rule Of Law Resolution
By Greg L | 4 February 2008 | Prince William County | 66 Comments
Tomorrow’s meeting of the Prince William Board of County Supervisors should be an interesting one. In addition to some important budget votes regarding funding the implementation of the Rule of Law Resolution, we should get some interesting updates:
During the meeting, the Board will hear the following presentations:
- Prince William Symphony Update,
- Economic Development Quarterly Report,
- Fire & Rescue Line of Duty Death Investigative Report,
- Adult Detention Center Illegal Immigration Update,
- Police Department Illegal Immigration Update,
- Legislative Report
- A continuation of the Parks Open Space & Trails Chapter of the Comprehensive Plan.
The hot topic for the day will be a decision whether to help fund the implementation of the Rule of Law Resolution out of the contingency fund. Since we’ve seen that the effects of this resolution can significantly impact the county budget in positive ways, funding this effort through the contingency fund makes good fiscal sense. If we can end up saving money in the long run, making this investment now is good fiscal policy.
The Prince William Board of County Supervisors will meet on Tuesday, Feb. 5, at 2 p.m. in the Board Chamber of the James J. McCoart Administration Building. You will want to be there.
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Where is the implementation of the Rule of Law Resolution out of the contingency fund in that list of items?
WMAL had an update with soundbite from Corey, stating that they are looking at using the County’s contingency fund to fund at minimum the 287G portion of the resolution.
There are 2 and 7:30 Citizens’ Time this week. Tuesday Feb 5th
http://www.pwcgov.org/documents/bocs/agendas/currentagenda.pdf
1)Economic Development Qrtly Report and Job Growth Report.
http://www.pwcgov.org/documents/bocs/agendas/2008/0205/7-A.pdf
Note: New businesses are coming and jobs here. We need to remind them too the other benefit of PWC is house are cheap! We are starting to see some sales.
2) Investigative report of the death of Kyle Wilson first fireman killed in the line of duty in PWC.
http://www.pwcgov.org/documents/bocs/agendas/2008/0205/7-B.pdf
Note: They are recommended minimum staff increases. Remember, they went in after the grandma and she was at a neighbors have tea. Sounded like a lot of people living there, but not by the standards the square footage requirements.
3) ADC- Illegal Immigration Update
http://www.pwcgov.org/documents/bocs/agendas/2008/0205/7-C.pdf
Note: 287(g) 393 detainers & ICE 60 detainers from 7/07to 1/08(included)
Sounds good, but the how many will actually become deportations? Is this being tracked?
4) PWPD- Illegal Immigration Update
http://www.pwcgov.org/documents/bocs/agendas/2008/0205/7-D.pdf
Note: Anticipated implementation March 2008.Four week ICE training in Frederick, MD begings Monday 2/04/08. Focus is on serious criminal aliens and significant criminal activity.
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Here’s the link for the 2008 BOS Calendar.
http://www.pwcgov.org/docLibrary/PDF/007435.pdf
From now until the end of April when the budget is adopted we must make our voices heard continuously. We need to ask them to fully fund the the implementation.
Here’s the dates for the next month to send out for now.
Feb 5th-Citizens’ Time 2PM & 7:30PM
Feb 19th- Citizens’ Time 2PM ** 7:30PM is OPTIONAL**
Feb 26th- Citizens’ Time 2PM & 7:30PM**Proposed Fiscal Plan***
March 4th- Citizens’ Time 2PM & 7:30PM**Approve FY09 Tax Rate Advertisement**
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As our “buddy” SASLAW said re immigration bills, “DEAD ON ARRIVAL” and the resolution looks that way too.
Anonymous - I respectfully disagree with you. The Rule of Law resolution will be funded. The 287g training will be completed by the mid-March and implementation will begin by the end of March.
I sent my letter to all Supervisors. I can’t be there but I’ve urged them to put up the Funds.
I hope everyone sends a message,as we can not let up on this now.
Thanks, for all your work on this project.
resident of Woodbridge:
“I sent my letter to all Supervisors. I can’t be there but I’ve urged them to put up the Funds.”
I did as well. And I’ll do so again tomorrow.
Of course we do NOT know if any of these individuals are illegal aliens, but this is a prime example of why the resolution must be funded.
Police briefs for Feb. 5
Potomac News
Tuesday, February 5, 2008
Five men sought in Sunday shooting
Prince William County police are investigating a shooting that occurred at 12:43 a.m. Sunday in the 7500 block of Alleghany Road near Manassas Park, said Officer Erika Hernandez, Prince William police spokeswoman.
When police officers arrived at the scene, they found a 20-year-old Manassas man who had been shot.
The man was flown to an area hospital and was expected to survive his injuries, Hernandez said.
Police are looking for five Hispanic men who they believe were involved in the shooting, Hernandez said.
Four of the men wore black hooded sweatshirts. The fifth man between 19 and 20 years old, about 5 feet 7 inches tall, had long hair and wore a white hat, Hernandez said.
I sent email to all Supervisors an email about 1AM asking them to fund the resolution and sent the article above to them as well. I’ve heard back Marty first thing this morning.
I hope I hear back from them all. We will see.
Even though the supervisors have not yet voted to fund the resolution, according to the Washington Examiner, they’ve already contracted to evaluate its implementation.
Outside groups prepare to analyze crackdown
Dan Genz, The Examiner
2008-02-05 08:00:00.0
Current rank: # 366 of 18,849
WASHINGTON -
Two major Virginia universities and a police think tank have agreed to analyze Prince William County’s new illegal immigration enforcement policy set to go into effect in March.
The University of Virginia, James Madison University and Police Executive Research Forum are developing a way to study the first two years of enforcing the policy, which directs officers to check the U.S. residency status of traffic violators and misdemeanor suspects.
“We have established a powerful evaluation group,” Police Chief Charlie Deane said Monday, emphasizing that the program will require a thorough, independent analysis.
Since the crackdown was proposed in June, immigrant advocates and illegal-immigration critics have argued it would require thorough external evaluation.
“It’s really important that we get some meaningful outside commentary,” said Supervisor Martin Nohe, R-Coles.
“Whatever policy we implement has to be in a matter that is reasonable, just and defensible. It is really impossible for anybody within the organization to separate themselves from the discussions we’ve had over the last year, Nohe said.
The county is spending at least $300,000 on the analysis, which will track encounters between officers and suspected illegal immigrants. The review is expected to include data about the residency status of the people questioned as well as information about the people not questioned.
The University of Virginia’s Weldon Cooper Center for Survey Research already works with the county and leads the district’s annual resident survey to establish satisfaction for core government services. [end of quote]
If the resolution is not yet funded, there’s a rather pedantic question about why the supervisors have already contracted for something for which there is not yet a requirement. There’s another question about why they are using the same bunch of buttheads who left off the issue of illegal immigration as a choice on their latest survey of important issues in the county.
Anbody catch this hidden in the MJM?
Five men sought in Sunday shooting
Prince William County police are investigating a shooting that occurred at 12:43 a.m. Sunday in the 7500 block of Alleghany Road near Manassas Park, said Officer Erika Hernandez, Prince William police spokeswoman.
When police officers arrived at the scene, they found a 20-year-old Manassas man who had been shot.
The man was flown to an area hospital and was expected to survive his injuries, Hernandez said.
Police are looking for five Hispanic men who they believe were involved in the shooting, Hernandez said.
Four of the men wore black hooded sweatshirts. The fifth man between 19 and 20 years old, about 5 feet 7 inches tall, had long hair and wore a white hat, Hernandez said.
That’s right near where my Grandmother lives.
Advocator,
Do you think we will see illegal immigration on the next survey?
It should’ve been on the last years.
How’s Coverstone 7-11 looking?
Mando,
I did. Enough is enough!!
Lafayette said on 5 Feb 2008 at 12:49 am:
Of course we do NOT know if any of these individuals are illegal aliens, but this is a prime example of why the resolution must be funded.
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Police briefs for Feb. 5
Potomac News
Lafayette:
Now that we know who does the survey, maybe we can send some suggestions directly to them.
Coverstone is looking good, from a illegal alien employer’s point of view. Since Saturday, the “loiterers” aveage about 30 a day. I might start placing popsicle signs in the area directing people to “Illegal Alien Employment Site.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kmTLk2Fgas
NCLR on youtube. Janet (CEO NCLR) dodges the questions like a pro tap dancer as usual.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l35Ed5eQOz8&feature=related
This is the culture we are supposed to be willing to “embrace”! Right! You see we don’t want our community to turn into the community that LA has turned into.
Advocator,
Excellent point. Well, this ole nag has a few suggestions, and I’m betting you do too.
You can also take online survey regarding the schools. I would urge ALL to take the time to do this.
Hey Patriot…
Welcome back - where have you been?
ThePatriot,
These idiots have NO RESPECT!! Thanks for clips.
There were some pretty nasty stories in the paper today. Another crime in Loch Lomond on Alleghany.
Loudon,….off “patrolling”.
First the rape of a 9 year old (Hispanic family) and
now a shooting involving Hispanics. This in a matter of 6 months in my neighborhood.
And there is another “family” taking the place of the crowd of guys that lived down the street, some in their shed.
I see there is a house on Spotsylvania being “renovated” because the crowd of Hispanics that lived there destroyed it. This is fact from an owner on that street.
I don’t know why those that embrace this “diversity” would think that this is acceptable in America. I am fed up with diversity and multi-culturism being shoved down my throat.
And the front page news in the MJM that crime was down in 2007, and Deane credits that entirely to the department’s robbery suppression initiative. He didn’t even suppose that the resolution MIGHT have
had a LITTLE to do with that figure??
Everyone, please send a note to the supervisors before this meeting at 2. This is not something that we can take for granted that it will be funded.
Will anyone point out Marty Nohe’s conflict of interest since he’s on a Chamber of Commerce, one of the biggest supporters of illegal hiring? He needs to step down from the BOCS.
Meeting is being televised - channel 23 in PWC.
Is there any way to listen live to the meeting via the internet?
http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-immigrule0205.artfeb05,0,3467821.story
“Immigrants Denied Hearing” - this is what we need to happen at our Day Labor sites. Let’s get busy!
k’toole,
Some did address that very issue regarding Marty this afternoon.
madmom,
I thought I might have seen you there. I’m sickened by the most Alleghany Rd incident from Suday night/Monday morning.
corr:
SOMEONE did address..
CJC,
You can listen live here. They are now on the Presentation from Fire and Rescue. Chief Charlie’s up next. Tune in.
http://www.pwcgov.org/default.aspx?topic=040016001420001771
I am rather speechless that someone would call for Marty Nohe to step down off the BOCS because he is a member of the Chamber of Commerce. There is a step in the logic that….isn’t logical.
Chief Deane starting his presentation now.
“I am rather speechless that someone would call for Marty Nohe to step down…”
Whatever it takes…
IS THERE A LIVE FEED TO THE MEETING!?
OOPS! I see the audio link above. My bad!
[of course, it doesn’t work for me. Grrrrrrr]
Please explain the conflict of interest with Mr. Nohe being both on the Board of Supervisors and a member of the Chamber of Commerce.
I emailed all the Supervisors last night and the only response I got was from Mr Nohe which is below:
Thank you for these comments. You can rest assured that I plan to continue to support the actions regarding immigration that the Board of Supervisors approved in October regarding immigration and law enforcement.
Yours-
Marty Nohe
Martin E Nohe
Coles District Supervisor
703-792-4620
Dave in PWC,
That’s the samething I got this morning.
All,
If you were stuck in traffic on 66 this morning this may have been why. The driver and 6 others couldn’t provide proper identification.
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0208/493634.html
Dave in PWC :
“I emailed all the Supervisors last night and the only response I got was from Mr Nohe which is below:…”
Yea, that’s the same form letter I got. At least *he* responded.
Did they do anything with funding the resolution this afternoon? I keep switching to channel 23 and it says they are in Closed Session.
Glad I don’t do the I-66 commute anymore, I just stay on local roads to and from work, it’s a beautiful thing after doing the commute to Fairfax, all of 12 miles and it taking me over an hour to get home every night.
es_la_ley said on 5 Feb 2008 at 7:30 pm:
Dave in PWC :
“I emailed all the Supervisors last night and the only response I got was from Mr Nohe which is below:…”
Yea, that’s the same form letter I got. At least *he* responded.
Exactly right he did at least respond. That’s more than I got from the rest of them.
“I keep switching to channel 23 and it says they are in Closed Session.”
Channel 23 is active now.
BOCS meeting is adjourned now. So what happened re: the funding for the resolution?
I wouldn’t worry too much about the bocs and the resolution anyway. Looks like mccain and obama will be running against each other which means amnesty either way. Summer ‘09 folks you will see amnesty. Next week when virginia repubs swallow the koolaid and choose mccain as well then you will know that immigration enforcement is the furthest thing from the minds of voters. Better get used to trash in your neighborhoods and little Mexico subcultures because the writing is on the wall folks. The people have spoken and unfortunately the majority of them really DO want amnesty.
I must have blinked and missed the vote on funding the resolution. Could someone who didn’t miss it post what happened with it?
I recorded it and am looking for that now.
The resolution to continue with the implementation passed. The funding was postponed until Feb 19th so John Stirrup could vote on it. He couldn’t make the meeting.
Here’s something for the lawyers to figure out what it means…….
Under Zoning Corrections and Additions:
“Authorize the County Attorney to petition the General District Court for a supeonea against any person refusing to produce data and information or refusing to appear as a witness in residential overcrowding cases.”
Just what does this mean, and who do they mean
to supeona?
Madmom
It is for overcrowding issues. Last year the General Assembly gave local governments zoning power to crack down on overcrowded boarding houses in residential areas. They also gave local governments subpoena power. I believe that a local government actually has to pass this as an ordinance even though the power has already been given by the state.
Mr. Principi asked for a Directive for action on the problem with day laborers. He sited crime, property values, etc. He wanted a directive to explore options available to the BOCS to tackle the problem.
Options:
1- see how other communities across the nation have addressed issue
2- work with local businesses, corporate parents, etc. to prevent day laborers from gathering on their property.
3- work with faith based commuity to address temporary employment needs within law.
4- enforcement of existing loitering and tresspassing laws
5- ban on soliciting of temporary work and open air markets
He said that two things are certain:
1 - that the status quo is NOT ACCEPTABLE
2 - that the county should not be exploring a county
funded day labor center
Corey Stewart wanted to enforcement of other state and county laws like urinating in public, etc.
We need to seriously crack down on the nusance crimes and neighborhood issues. These are things we have control over.
park’d,
Its because no organization is printing ads to educate the public on the real issues of illegal immigration.
out of mind , and people will want amnesty.
Show them it affects their lives, neighborhoods, families, and they may, may change their mind.
But no organization is doing this.
Dolph,
I have said all along, let’s take care of the small crimes and the larger ones will work their way out.
Anon said on 6 Feb 2008 at 2:02 am:
The problem with that is the organization will be black listed and run out of business. They will be made out as racists, xenophobes and Hispanic haters.
IMHO, no organization wants to be the one who is black listed. There is too much political correctness in our world right now and it is going to affect us in a negative way real quick.
I found it very convenient that Stirrup was MIA and Jenkins “offered” for all to wait on the resolution funding vote, until the next meeting which will be AFTER the VA Primaries. Maybe the BOS is waiting to see who wins the Primary in PWC to see where the majority really stands on illegal immigration. Just a thought.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/02/02/america/Valley-Park-Immigration.php
We need to find out the language of this law and adopt it.
dolph said on 5 Feb 2008 at 11:42 pm:
/\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 6 Feb 2008 at 9:33 am:
I agree with you both completely. One snag we have with Neighborhood Services is one inspector. We’ve reported on incidents of him going to the wrong houses, etc. Neighborhood Services needs to have a flexible schedule to include inspections on the weekend. They have a much better chance of actually speaking to someone regarding the violation. Michelle Cosiato loves to brag about all the popsicle signs they remove and generate revune for. They could probably triple their violations and fines if they were out there looking for this crap on the weekend. I do know of a couple of inspectors that have been known to do this from time to time. This is what we need.
M64,
Thought you were MIA.
corr: Michelle Cosiato loves to brag about all the popsicle signs they remove and generate REVENUE for.
I believe the fine is $100 per sign. I see at least 50 signs every weekend. Now, that’s a lot of cash they are missing out on.
BILL NO. 1851 ORDINANCE NO. 1708
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AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION WITHIN
THE CITY OF VALLEY PARK, MO
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WHEREAS, the Board of Aldermen of the City of Valley Park finds that
illegal immigration leads to higher crime rates, contributes to overcrowded classrooms and failing schools, and destroys our neighborhoods and diminishes our overall quality of life; and
WHEREAS, the City of Valley Park is empowered and mandated by the people of the City of Valley Park to abate the nuisance of illegal immigration by aggressively prohibiting and punishing the acts, policies, people and businesses that aid and abet illegal aliens;
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT ORDAINED BY THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN OF THE CITY OF VALLEY PARK, MISSOURI, AS FOLLOWS:
Section One
DEFINITIONS.
Whenever used in this chapter, the following terms shall have the following meanings:
“City” means the City of Valley Park, Missouri;
“Contract employer” means any person who obtains the services of one or more individuals through a day labor agency; and
“Vehicle” means a vehicle as defined in State or Missouri Vehicle Code as the same now reads or may hereafter be amended.
Section Two
BUSINESS PERMITS, CONTRACTS OR GRANTS.
Any for-profit entity, including acts committed by its parent company or subsidiaries, that aids and abets illegal aliens or illegal immigration shall be denied approval of a business permit, the renewal of a business permit, city contracts or grants for a period not less that five (5) years from its last offense.
A. Aiding and abetting shall include, but not be limited to, the hiring or
attempted hiring of illegal aliens, renting or leasing to illegal aliens, or
funding or aiding in the establishment of a day laborer center that does not
verify legal work status.
B. Any act that aids and abets illegal aliens within the United States, not just within the City limits, will constitute a violation.
Section Three
RENTING TO ILLEGAL ALIENS.
A. Illegal aliens are prohibited from leasing or renting property. Any
property owner or renter/tenant/lessee in control of property, who
knowingly allows an illegal alien to use, rent or lease their property shall
be in violation of this section.
B. Any person or entity that violates this section shall be subject to a fine of not less than Five Hundred Dollars ($500.00).
Section Four
ENGLISH ONLY.
A. The City of Valley Park declares that English is the official language of
the City.
B. Unless explicitly mandated by the federal government, the State of Missouri or the City of Valley Park, all official city business, forms documents, signage, telecommunication or electronic communication devices will be conducted or written in or utilize English only.
Section Five
SEVERABILITY.
If any part of provision of this Chapter is in conflict or inconsistent with applicable provisions of federal or state statutes, or is otherwise held to be invalid or unenforceable by any court of competent jurisdiction, such part of provision shall be suspended and superseded by such applicable laws or regulations, and the remainder of this Chapter shall not be affected thereby.
Section Six
This ordinance shall become effective from and after its passage and upon approval by the Mayor.
PASSED AND APPROVED THIS 17TH DAY OF JULY, 2006
http://www.valleyparkmo.org/docs/Ordinances/Ordinance%201708.pdf
Lafayette,
Naw, I have a business venture I am working on and it has taken some extra time.
How are things on your end?
M64,
Never a dull moment as always.
Hey how about asking WG Apts to do something about that tagged tree by you?
The local laudromat was looking a little busier today than it has lately. The loiterers were out in front of Global today and not the vacant furniture store.
We need the existing laws enforced NOW!
I haven’t seen it to know which one it is. I looked where you said, but didn’t see it. Can you give me the location again and I will send it to the maintenance office.
I noticed the early evenings seem to be busier than other times. Sat was SLOOOWWWWW.
I can’t see the ones in front of Global unless I drive through the lot in the morning. I did notice there were quite a few at the Cornerstone again this morning. If the loitering laws were enforced, it would do a great deal to slow this down. One warning, then take them to the jail.
Valley Park, Missouri is doing what the rest of the Va State legislature needs to be doing. Protecting its citizens from “illegal” behavior consequences.
Get some backbone and non-misguided ethics Senator Salislaw!
Michael said on 6 Feb 2008 at 9:03 pm
I agree, but it will never happen because he has contributors to answer to after all!!!
M64,
The tagging is on Portsmouth coming from 234 on right hand side. It just before the last row on townhouse before turning on your street. Here’s a picture for your very own eyes.
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2967519130102412507SETDtc
The laundromat around from the Global Mart.
Coverstone is still a mess. I addressed the situation at the BOS meeting on Tuesday. The numbers went down when the police were there and now the police aren’t there. We are still looking at an average of 25 in the mornings, and yep it includes the weekends. This must STOP!! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!
Lafayette,
I didn’t doubt your word that there was tagging, I just couldn’t see it form the road at the times I tried to look at it.
I reported it to the maintenance dept. The lady said they would have someone look into it.
/\/\3|)iç 64,
Oh, I don’t think you doubted me. I wanted to unleash Patty’s words for those who don’t believe. “see with your own eyes”.
Lighten up just a little humor.
Wow, that new project must be keeping you busy.
Thank you for calling them, and I will be watching. I’m going out that way soon. I’ll see what’s happening in the area.
You are the third person on BVBL telling me to lighten up. I guess I have come across as brash the last few posts.