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Out With The Old, In With The New
By Greg L | 7 February 2008 | Crime, Prince William County | 64 Comments
Remember former Mayor of Dumfries Melvin Bray who got a suspended sentence for running a whorehouse in Yorkshire? My sources tell me that this little establishment has quietly reopened under the name “Lily’s Therapy”, and once again there’s the possibility of “happy endings” in Prince William County.
Let’s review this for a moment: a former Mayor runs a whorehouse in the county, and not only doesn’t serve a day in jail, but forfeits only the money the police found in the place when they raided it. All the rest of the profits he amassed while running a criminal enterprise he gets to keep. A little more than a month after the guy pleads guilty, the place reopens under a new name. What would make this even crazier is if Mel Bray owns this business, or managed to profit by selling the business that was shut down to new owners who would be able to then continue his great legacy of service to the people of Prince William County. I’d sure like to find out if that’s the case.
No, there’s no corruption in Prince William County. None. It just couldn’t happen.
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Greg There has been crime in PWC longer then you have been alive. What was the nationalties of the “Ladies” who worked there and are now working there? Are they from some where other then South of the Border. Of course all of the “Ladies” were legal citizens as you only seem to think that Latinos cause crime in PWC. If you had any idea of the illegal things that go on in N VA and how many people other then Latinos are involved you might have a stroke. Of course our BOCS never do anything illegal to they… They run the government by the ” Will of the People” previously called a ” Lynch Mob” and who cares about the Constitution of the US and of VA which is the only thing they swore to uphold when the took office. The BOCS supervisors certainly do not.
Is the subject of whores the topic du jour here on bvbl this week? Our cup runneth over.
Greg: Look at your email. I just sent you info on it. Interesting.
I seriously doubt that Mel Bray is the first to engage in this activity in the County. “World’s oldest profession,” etc. And wasn’t it Hilda (Dent) Barg’s family which was infamous for running ’shine?
“What was the nationalties of the “Ladies” who worked there and are now working there? Are they from some where other then South of the Border. Of course all of the “Ladies” were legal citizens as you only seem to think that Latinos cause crime in PWC. If you had any idea of the illegal things that go on in N VA and how many people other then Latinos are involved you might have a stroke.”
Bob,
Greg isn’t commenting on the legal status of anyone working there. For the record, those who were arrested in the establishement prior, were of Korean decent. We don’t know what their legal status was, because PWCPD never released that information, nor did the MJM report it. What Greg is commenting on is that a former elected official was CONVICTED of running a bawdy place, and beyond a little damage to his reputation, received little in the way of punishment. Now it appears that the establishment is back in business, and Greg wants to know if Bray is still involved, and if so, is there any illegal activity going on.
Mr. Wills,
Batson’s correct they were of Korean decent. Wow, I guess if that cheap dry cleaners had been approved in Gainesville they could have been there working. The other added benefit would be we wouldn’t have to listen your big mouth pissing and moaning about to the BOS like you do.
Now, now, Lafayette, no name calling. That’s not very moderate of you
Leila,
I did not name call! You know me better than that.
I’m just posting what many have watched many times from Mr. Wills.
He did say I was stupider than Corey S. not too long ago. What
would you say to that?
I see you patrolling the posts today. I do try my very BEST.
“The other added benefit would be we wouldn’t have to listen your big mouth pissing and moaning about to the BOS like you do.”
Sorry, but this appears to be name calling. Bob was also wrong to say that about you. However, two wrongs don’t make a right. And I could never imagine you being “right” LOL.
Sorry for the bad pun.
This story is funny. During the last election cycle Jeff Frederick boasted about being supported by Mel Bray. He didn’t use his name at first, just referred to him as the former mayor of Dumfries. When he was called out on it being Bray he said “innocent till proven guilty.” Greg, how come you’re not criticizing Frederick for his public association with Bray? You’ve have torn into Faisal Gill for something like this?
Grouchy today, Lafayette? Not fun to be personally attacked, is it?
SuperT,
That wasn’t the first, and certainly will NOT be the last. I can take it. Yep, the story is funny do doubt about. “Innocent until proven guilty” is damn near non-existant on here.
Grouchy today? No more than usual.
Liela said on 8 Feb 2008 at 9:08 am:
You are on a roll woman! Keep it up, it’s fun to watch.
I don’t see what the problem is. Don’t we all want a happy a happy ending
Sorry, I was happy twice. That doesn’t happen much anymore.
Dolph said on 7 Feb 2008 at 11:43 pm:
Only if they are wearing bras and are well endowed
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/\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 7 Feb 2008 at 5:29 pm:
Dolph,
You are not vintage, you are timeless with years of wisdom. (and a good swimmer too ~splash~)
Mr. Anon said on 8 Feb 2008 at 10:27 am:
That must have been a real good happy thought
Mr. Anon,
Wow, you sound like a deprived man. ;
Aren’t bitter are ya? lol
Laf, your the one who’s grumpy today, not me (least that’s what I read). Watch it, I might have to get Liela after you
I just like happy endings, that’s all.
Mr Anon,
I hear ya!
Oh, Leila doesn’t bother me near as bad as some on here.
Like a said no grouchier than usual. Which by the way is all that often. I just try to stay moderate on here. It’s not the easiest thing to do.
corr: Which by the way is NOT all that often. I just try to stay moderate on here.
This thread is like a bad time warp. M64, HELP!!! Tell me I didn’t make that comment about bras!
Mr. Anon, it is fine to be double happy every once in a while. Just don’t make a habit of it. You can even be happy squared if you want.
A very IMMODERATE comment, Dolph, about the ladies undergarments. (Just joking, don’t go off on me again).
Double happy is an achievement, always puts a smile on my face. I think you have to pay extra for that.
# Dolph said on 7 Feb 2008 at 11:43 pm:
Is the subject of whores the topic du jour here on bvbl this week? Our cup runneth over.
/\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 8 Feb 2008 at 11:43 am:
# Dolph said on 7 Feb 2008 at 11:43 pm:
Is the subject of whores the topic du jour here on bvbl this week? Our cup runneth over.
Dolph,
Your comment begs a comment like M64’s.
If anyone is deprived, sounds like it’s Bob Wills. What happened to the Texas Playboys? Now I am telling my age!
Mr. Anon,
I couldn’t agree more about you on Mr. Wills. Well, at least you were happy twice.
Mr. Anon, Sorry hit submit too quick.
I doubt that man’s ever been happy. He sure doesn’t come off that way when he addresses the BOS.
I hope the local police are doing whatever they need to do to make sure this place runs legitimately. I thought the element we were attracting was bad enough; this just brings an even lower group to our area. So now we can be known as the bedroom community for illegal aliens and deviants. Sounds like another reason to not let your kids play outside.
I remember a place in Fairfax similar to this that mysteriously burned down one night about 20 years ago. I don’t think they ever figured out if it was an accident, an insurance job, or just some irate citizens that had enough and took matters into their own hands.
Laf, M64, Mr. Anon: snicker, click, chortle, …sorry…I dropped the proverbial ball on that one. Yes, I did have that one coming. I just forgot I had made the comment….about cups running over and ‘ho’s du jour. Yes, it was immoderate, Mr. Anon.
I hope you are still happy squared and that you were not charged exponentially for the pleasure.
Medic 64, Good one. You just have to remember I am vintage and give me more clues. I would say like a fine wine but I am feeling more like Sutter Home.
~~splash~~
Again, you are not vintage, you are timeless with years of wisdom!!
/\/\3|)iç 64: She’s a WEALTH OF WISDOM!!
West Gate Witch said on 8 Feb 2008 at 3:07 pm:
And you are a fine specimen even though the wart still shows.
/\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 8 Feb 2008 at 3:55 pm:
West Gate Witch said on 8 Feb 2008 at 3:07 pm:
And you are a fine specimen even though the wart still shows.
***********
I have a few thorns in my side too!
Would I happen to be one of those?
/\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 8 Feb 2008 at 5:02 pm:
Would I happen to be one of those?
Nah! Time for a batch of witch’s brew after this week.
These are what people call AMP’s (Asian message parlors). There are several of them that operate in Prince William County and have for years and years. One is located on RT 1 above Octopus Garden which that store is another story all together, another one located was located in Lake Ridge and a couple out on the west end of the county. There are more located up north and they even operate south in Stafford and Spottsy.
While you are at it you can go on Craig’s list and pull up all the smut jobs anyone can think of too include in home delivery of such services. In addition there are sites you can lurk around on and find out all kinds of info on the AMP’s, SW’s (street walkers) and “escort” services around in the area.
It would do some good to have a crack down on this type of activity in our neighborhoods that is for sure!!!!!
me,
They busted a “brothel” of sorts a couple years back on Lomond Drive, up here in the western end. Oh, we had one “working girl”, her “john”, and “pimp” arrested last summer in the house across the street where the squatters were. I’m not sure if you were around for those posts or not.
Yes, some crackdown on this would do some good. I also wonder about the women I see at the Omnibus bus stops on their cell phones and then get picked up and dropped off at the bus stop. Hmm. Makes me wonder. Mere speculation on the bus stops.
Lafayette.
The couple of the sites that I track have mostly deal with actual business locations in commercial sites when it comes to AMP’s and information about “escorts” that are in town for a short period of time (you can find those on Craig’s list also) and they list phone numbers usually coming back to cell phones.
I remember those posts and I remember some of the arrests on the “brothel”
I haven’t heard of any thing about the bus stops and phones but I will keep my eyes open.
Did someone mention a happy ending? When I was in the Phillipines… never mind…
“I also wonder about the women I see at the Omnibus bus stops on their cell phones and then get picked up and dropped off at the bus stop. Hmm. Makes me wonder. Mere speculation on the bus stops.”
Day Laborer site of a different sort?
Bats,
Very well could be. Good one, again!
I was serious about what I’ve noticed.
I keep seeing cars driving around Sudley/Westgate with mattresses tied to roofs. I thought people were moving. Perhaps I am wrong. Perhaps it is Craig’s list on the move……Take your day labor site with you…something like that.
Rumor has it that the sheriff Hill has visited the establishment on more then one occasion by special invite from Bray. Also Bray paid off some of his ladies to leave town so as not to be able to testify against him. Also Bray was a volunteer deputy for Hill at the time. Who knew PWC was so corrupt??
Dolph,
Thats good, a real classic…
Anonymous 11:13 pm:,
I guess you associate Bray with Hill because they are both African American?
Maybe Obama dropped by as well… JUST IGNORANT
Wow … Anonymous 11:13 pm:, That is the biggest smear I’ve seen on the web. “Rumor has it” How dumb for you to say that and float it out there with not a speck of truth to back it up. I guess we know who you voted for in the Republican Primary.
How long has this place been around? I never heard of it before the bust last year!
Lafayette said on 8 Feb 2008 at 8:06 am:
Mr. Wills,
Batson’s correct they were of Korean decent. Wow, I guess if that cheap dry cleaners had been approved in Gainesville they could have been there working. The other added benefit would be we wouldn’t have to listen your big mouth pissing and moaning about to the BOS like you do.
I an assure you that I never piss at the BOS aor moan either. The difference between me and you is that I have won more court cases in more states then you have over the abuse of power and two faced policies of county governements. We have a BOS who pass special zoning to benefit just one group and not the people of PWC. May you stand for that kind of special interest politics but I do not and never will. Maybe you approve of the Staff and BOS requiring a Black man who askes for rezoing to reduce his number of units and to have to agree to sell one unit for 1/3 less the market price while white men only have to pay 250.00 per unit toward affordable housing. I could go on but you have a limited abiltiy to know what is legal and right.
Maybe you like for the staff to screw you on your real estate assesment valuation but I don’t. Of course you will never try to change things so that a human being has the same rights as a horse in shelter. I could go on and on but you have limited ability to understand that we operate under a Constitution where one person has all the rights of everyone else in the country even if a majority do not like it not a lynch mob mentality
Sounds like sour grapes to me….
Mr. Wills,
You don’t have the slightest idea of what I might or might not to change things. I’m a decent person and I don’t go around acting like I know it all. I have done many things for my native county of PWC in my short lifetime. What have you done?
I can assure I do NOT like everything I see going in our government and society as whole. I do my part to improve our community which you are member of. I even want the best for you. What you fail to realize I enjoyed your comments and thought to the BOS for years now. Oh, yes I agree with quite a bit you tell them. I am an INDEPENDENT to the core!
Until you’ve talked to me or know anything about me you really should reserve your comments on my mentality and it’s capabalities. It’s called respect, and it doesn’t cost you a dime.
***ALL TIME FAVORITE COMMENT TO THE PWCBOS******
What are you smoking in the White House with Bill Clinton and Willie Nelson? I still laugh to this day over the one!
I come here to learn and not to berate others. However, you are entitled to your opinion. There is something to me said for your spirit.(this is not meant to be nasty in the least)
Be sure and say hello next time your down at the McCoart Bldg. to “give ‘em hell”.
BTW-Zoning is public enemy number one in my book. We actually agree on quite a bit of it, just not all.
Lafayette said on 9 Feb 2008 at 9:42 pm:
Mr. Wills,
You don’t have the slightest idea of what I might or might not to change things. I’m a decent person and I don’t go around acting like I know it all. I have done many things for my native county of PWC in my short lifetime. What have you done?
I put all of Hylton’s zoned property that was allowed into Land Use Valuation which is one of the worst laws going back in the 70’s. Of course if Hylton did something it must be wrong per the public and MJM. When other people like the Elrod track did it and cost the county over 100,000.00 a year in forgiven RE Taxes for Zoned land it was OK. Well the MJM called and talked to me but the trusting sole that I am talked frankly. They put into the paper correctly that I said “that Land use Taxation for zoned property screwed the public.” Seafelt got all upset at that comment. People who ask for zoned property should pay all of the RE taxes as the cost of being granted that zoning and its rights. They are not intitled to a reducation as is granted to farms which is A-1. After five years the defered RE Tax is forgiven and that is a crock. Well that uproar I caused came to the General Assembly in the next session and it was changed so that if property is zoned other then A-1 or the lowest desigination of zoning in that county it does not qualify for Land Use Valuation. That has brought millions of dollars into PWC rather then giveing it away and making the home owner make up the difference. I am happey that I have brought that money into the county. that is just one thing and there are more. There will also be more to come in the future
The zoning on the Elrod track for a Mall is the reason we do not have one in Eastern PWC. The Four Horsemen can take credit for that.
The other thing is that zoned property has been assesed as it should at higher values then A-1. Caddigan, Noeh, and Stewart whine about stale zoning and what it is suppoed to cost the county as they can not black mail the owner when it comes to building. Some of this zoned property has been so for 50 years. Why is the county not taking that excess value for the zoned land and applying it completly toward the capital improvments need in the county rather then just spending it on general expenses? Our PWCBOS are two faced and believe the public is dumb enough to buy into the lies year after year and they are right about that.
I can assure I do NOT like everything I see going in our government and society as whole. I do my part to improve our community which you are member of. I even want the best for you. What you fail to realize I enjoyed your comments and thought to the BOS for years now. Oh, yes I agree with quite a bit you tell them. I am an INDEPENDENT to the core!
One thing you fail to know or understand is that I do things to get a wrong corrected or to give comments to what will solve a problem. I do none of this to make other happy but to make sure my children and grandchildren have the rights as granted by the Constitution. The Lynch Mob mentality of Stewart, May and Stirup that we will do the will of the people is totaly illegal. The only oath the BOCS took is to uphold the Constitution of the US and Virginia nothing more or less.
Until you’ve talked to me or know anything about me you really should reserve your comments on my mentality and it’s capabalities. It’s called respect, and it doesn’t cost you a dime.
Lafayette said on 8 Feb 2008 at 8:06 am:
Mr. Wills,
Batson’s correct they were of Korean decent. Wow, I guess if that cheap dry cleaners had been approved in Gainesville they could have been there working. The other added benefit would be we wouldn’t have to listen your big mouth pissing and moaning about to the BOS like you do
I guess calling me a big mouth is you way of being respectiful ???????
I come here to learn and not to berate others. However, you are entitled to your opinion. There is something to me said for your spirit.(this is not meant to be nasty in the least)
Be sure and say hello next time your down at the McCoart Bldg. to “give ‘em hell”.
BTW-Zoning is public enemy number one in my book. We actually agree on quite a bit of it, just not all.
Zoning is not the issue to me it is the two faced way that government thinks your property is theirs to tell you what you can do with it. In Houston TX they have no zoning and you the individual can put covenents on the property to say how it can be used and the City Attorney inforces your covents
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Mr. Wills,
First off, I did NOT call you a big mouth. Please, reread my comment. True, I came short of saying it. I don’t claim that to be most respectful comment. This is what I said..
Lafayette said on 8 Feb 2008 at 8:06 am:
The other added benefit would be we wouldn’t have to listen your big mouth pissing and moaning about to the BOS like you do.
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Now, do YOU recall sometime back..Saying that I was stupidier than Corey S? Now, that’s totally disrespectful to INSULT someone’s intelligence. I would have to do some serious digging on bvbl to go back and find the statement. I’m sure your remember. You, do remember that little White House comment, don’t you?
How respectful was your comment?
Two wrongs don’t make a right.
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Bob Wills said on 9 Feb 2008 at 11:13 pm
Our PWCBOS are two faced and believe the public is dumb enough to buy into the lies year after year and they are right about that.
Well, I think this very thing could be said about ALL politicians. They care about getting elected, and after that business as usual. Business is usual is not good enough. The citizens of our nation deserve better this.
Leave a reply…or you can contact Greg to discuss this off the blog.
I will not be belittled, berated, and talked down to by YOU or anyone else on this green earth.
BTW-Excellent take on the Elrod tract.
Have a great day, sir!
I don’t think anyone wants this area to become like Houston TX. We have enough sprawl and ugly architecture with at least a modicum of zoning ordinances in effect. I would hate to see what things would be like without some restrictions in place.
Mr. Wills,
First off, I did NOT call you a big mouth. Please, reread my comment. True, I came short of saying it. I don’t claim that to be most respectful comment. This is what I said..
Lafayette said on 8 Feb 2008 at 8:06 am:
The other added benefit would be we wouldn’t have to listen your big mouth pissing and moaning about to the BOS like you do.
I am not sure how you claim that you did not call me something but who cares. I am use to it. One time the BOCS had to hold a public meeting at a High School because of me so everyone who realy was not happy with me could come. There was an me and a whole autatourm full of people who did not like me. The public talked and talked and said a whole lot of things about me :)). When I got up to speak they started booing and yelling. Unlike Stewart who had plain close cops who took an old man out of the meeting I handeled it all by my self. I told the public that I had listened without interunption and they were going to give me the same courtisy as I gave them. I would answer each and every questions asked. If they did not want treat me the same as I treated them then I would walk out and no questions would be answered. I talked and they listened and answered thier questions and no more problems.
Not sure what reply you are possible looking for about the PWCBOS being two faced but will talk to anyone about that. I wish Greg would take this blog to make PWC a better place in all aspect of the county not just immigration. If an illegal kills someone we will read about it here. Did not notice a word about the Manager who was killed by a group of probably legal citizens. Hope it was not because he was gay. I love the gun control fanatics who want every gun taken away. I tell them the only problems with guns is there are not enough people killed with them every day. After all look at all the people killed by cars and drunks and that seems not to bother them or they would want to take away all cars and booze. I never understood how the way you die makes more of a difference and is more of a crime.
Mr. Wills,
There’s NO doubt in my mind that you could take anything the public would try to dish out. I certainly think you would be silent and listening to all that spoke. I can’t say I’m surprised they would do this. Politicians are NOT to be trusted.
With regards to Mr. Crone. I was there that day. I was stunned to say the very least that they would have the cops remove him on a day when there was plenty of excitement to go around. I was so disturbed by the whole thing I took pictures to make sure I really witnessed what I thought I had. This was dispicable in my book.
Agreed, a positive around here wouldn’t hurt now and then. I try to post the positive things after the negative has been pointed out. I’ve five friends killed by drunk drivers and one was young girl on Vint Hill Rd at 8:30am while her mother held her hand while waiting for the school bus. I’m sure you remember that. You really are a “historian” of sorts of PWC, and for that you have my respect.
I admit I came short of calling you a name, but I feel I did not.
You don’t care what does it matter, right? (per you)
However, you still have failed to address saying I was stupidier than Corey Stewart. Well, I don’t care either. I’m sure we’ve BOTH been called much worse and will be many more times in our lifetimes.
However, you still have failed to address saying I was stupidier than Corey Stewart. Well, I don’t care either. I’m sure we’ve BOTH been called much worse and will be many more times in our lifetimes.
Lafayette If you can tell me where I said that and I am not saying I did not I will reread and let you know if I once again made a mistake or believe you might need a history lesson :)))
You get a three week vacation from me though.
Mr. Wills,
I will try to dig it up during that time period. I stated earlier it would take some work to find, but I will.
You aren’t around here enough for me to need a vacation from like some. Have a safe trip if you are travelling on “my” three week vacation.
Take care.
Lafayette/Wills.
I beleive this is what you are looking for.
Found under the thread:Residential Real Estate Market Update
By Greg L | 10 December 2007 | Local Economy | 71 Comments
” Bob Wills said on 10 Dec 2007 at 9:39 pm:
Lafayette(Mistletoe for Dec.) said on 10 Dec 2007 at 1:06 pm:
The last “big batch” of adjustable rates mortgages are due to read just through next year. It is buyers market even now in PWC. Our county employess(teachers, law enforcement, first responders, etc) got priced out of the market a few years ago due to GREED by the real estate agents, brokers, and lenders.
Lafayette are you as dumb as Stewart when it comes to real estate. The GREED is the public who was dumb enough to thing that RE could go up and up and up and they were going to get RICH and RICHER as if there was no end to it all. Stewart about a year ago while sitting on the board made the comment ” I wish someone had told me this was going to happen to real estate” No one forced the public to pay the prices they did for their houses. They were flipping contracts making all kinds of money with the idea that it was all golden. The employees of PW have been put out of the market for years and the policies of Stewart and the other no growth better then the rest of the world people are to blame. Stewart only wants BIG EXPENSIVE houses that meet his approval for how you should live.
The so called economy of this county for several years was based on borrowed money not increases in family income. Well the tap has been turned off and so will the economy. Valuation of property are about the level of 02 per many appraisors and it will be 18 to 24 months before we see any real upswing in the market if then.
As long as the public elects people who tell them what they want to hear noe of this mess will be solved.”
redawn,
Many thanks!!!
You are welcome. I remembered a conversation like that as I was all BENT over the housing and new NOVA Grantor tax BS!!!!!!!!
Believe me, it was in my head and easy to find.
Mr. Willis,
I AGREE with you re: the County and zoning claiming ownership ( control) of OUR property!!!!!!!! I have a HUGE problem with that.
I would be in a HOA if not.
Bob Wills said on 10 Dec 2007 at 9:39 pm:
Lafayette(Mistletoe for Dec.) said on 10 Dec 2007 at 1:06 pm:
The last “big batch” of adjustable rates mortgages are due to read just through next year. It is buyers market even now in PWC. Our county employess(teachers, law enforcement, first responders, etc) got priced out of the market a few years ago due to GREED by the real estate agents, brokers, and lenders.
Lafayette are you as dumb as Stewart when it comes to real estate. The GREED is the public who was dumb enough to think that RE could go up and up and up and they were going to get RICH and RICHER as if there was no end to it all. Stewart about a year ago while sitting on the board made the comment ” I wish someone had told me this was going to happen to real estate” No one forced the public to pay the prices they did for their houses. They were flipping contracts making all kinds of money with the idea that it was all golden. The employees of PW have been put out of the market for years and the policies of Stewart and the other no growth better then the rest of the world people are to blame. Stewart only wants BIG EXPENSIVE houses that meet his approval for how you should live.
You found it very quickly and I have not left yet but will very soon !!!!!
I was harsh on you Lafayette but you were talking like Stewart who blames everything on everyone else. You blamed the RE Agents, Brokers and Lenders. Where was the blame for the John Q Public? John Q got greedy and stupid thinking that nothing would every happen except for housing prices to go up and up and up and up. Stewart had that mentality and he is still in dream land.
As for teachers, police and fire department employees and especialy the teacher they have not had a chance for years to be able to afford to buy a new house no matter what county they work in Even Fairfax county does not pay a new teacher hardly enough for them to rent an appartment. Police and Firemen at least get paid over time not a teacher.
Were the Agents, Lenders and Brokers a major contributor to this problem absolutly.. but like people who go out and spend more then they can afford no one put a gun to their head and made them sign the contract to buy or the note to buy the property.
Wall Street could stop this housing debacal very simply. Do like the auto industry who put 0 interest on vehicles so they could sell them and keep in business. Yes Wall Street might not be able to pay out a 39 billion dollar bonus this year but by getting the principal back there would also be no losses either and people would still have their homes.
Of course that would mean that they cared about what was happening to the public and we know that is not true.
I am an equal opportunity sweet old bob and believe in equality for all not just a few. I learned a long time ago that when you ask what two and two equal if fffff or four is not the first sound you hear then you never will.
Some appoligy and some history
I hope it does not snow while I am gone like the last time I took this trip and DC was shut down for a couple of days 21 years ago.
Mr. Wills,
I didn’t find the comment redawn did. We are not the same person, I assure. I was just getting to the first week of December, and they found it. I copied it when I saw it was posted so I would have it upon your return.
John Q. Publics, were also GREEDY. They loved the “bidding wars” when houses were selling in a day or two. Oh, let’s not forget those sly investors too. I was also, told by a Latino realtor that over half of these folks never even saw their purchases of lifetime until after they’d gone to settlement. This is a crazy. I bet you test drove that truck before you bought it. I only know about this because I agree with you 110% on the issue of personal property tax, especially those with high mileage. I used to beg, plead, and gravel for the assessment reduction. I was driving to DC everyday. This same real estate agent told me they were never told that the property value could decrease. There were absolutely no guns to anyone’s head, just greed.
I believe in accountabilty. However, it’s a dieing trait in people I think today.
Agreed those “county professionals” I spoke of were priced out years ago. Then during this last boom they were priced out for good, until the bust. There is a county program for affordable housing and loans for these folks. There’s a very limited few of these though, and there is a lottery to get in on the deal.
The funny thing about this is…I probably closer to the same page than 90% of the posters on here.
Thanks for the history. I will take that as some apology, and I glady accept it. Really, I am NOT the enemy here.
DC shut down… I shudder at that thought. I was working downtown during the “shut down” you spoke of some 21 years ago. I don’t miss travelling down there daily to work. I’ll be hoping for the best for your “getting out of Dodge”. Seriously, I hope you have a safe trip and get out before this starts about noon tomorrow. Anyways, be sure to stop by bvbl when you return. I can’t imagine anything will have changed around her by then.
See you in three weeks. I hope you are going somewhere warm and sunny.
corr: The funny thing about this is…I’M probably closer to the same page AS YOU than 90% of the posters on here.
Billyboy (2/9 @9:02)
Re Bray and Hill comment by Anonymous, I can tell you that my
personal contacts from the sheriff’s good ole boys know all about the
visits made by Hill to the “Pleasure Palace”. It’s no smear.
Billyboy,
I think Gone Fishing knows what he speaks of.