What to do tomorrow
By RHarrison | 11 February 2008 | National Politics | 222 Comments
Tomorrow is Virginia’s Presidential Primary. I had been planning on working the polls all day for Mitt Romney. I started volunteering for his campaign last summer, thought he was a great candidate and looked forward to having him carry our state.
So, now what?
John McCain is not my favorite candidate. His McCain-Feingold campaign finance “reform” is a travesty. It has little to do with reforming our elections and much to do with making it very hard for people to challenge incumbent members of Congress. McCain’s stance on immigration worries me. Worse, he has shown hints of economic populism that are frightening. It is not just that he doesn’t understand the private sector. At times, he seems to hold it in contempt.
Our government does not make us powerful nor does it make us rich. The private sector does both. Companies, big and small, produce the wealth that allows us to have the lifestyle that we all enjoy. Politicians can’t do much to improve the economy in the short-run, other than getting out of its way. I’m not sure McCain understands that.
So what will I do on Tuesday? Vote for John McCain.
All elections are choices between the lesser of two evils. No politician is perfect. None has an unblemished record. I thought Romney was a better candidate than McCain, but recognized that Romney had his faults. I also recognize that McCain has his own strengths. For example:
Nobody has been better on the wars in Iraq and against terror than John McCain. He supported action in both Afghanistan and Iraq. More importantly, when the war became unpopular, he didn’t waiver. What he did do was push President Bush to change tactics. McCain was one of the first politicians to push for what became the “surge” and one of its most vocal supporters. We can’t afford a President who sets his/her foreign policy based on opinion polls, which is exactly what the Democrats have been doing for the past four years. Sen. McCain hasn’t and President McCain won’t.
On foreign policy issues, McCain is as good as there is. As foreign policy is the President’s number-one priority, this is not a small thing.
John McCain is also one of the leading critics of earmarks and pork-barrel spending. His record is not unblemished on the issue, but it is better than most. If you want to cut the deficit and budget, it is a good bet that McCain is the best candidate.
On judges, McCain is again not perfect, but he is good. He voted for Alito and Roberts. In the past week he has made some very clear promises to only nominate judicial conservatives to the bench. Promises are cheep, of course, but he’s saying all the right things.
So McCain is excellent or good on three of my top priority issues for a President. He’s bad on the first amendment and weak on the economy, but we have to weigh those weaknesses against the alternative.
Both Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton are enthusiastic advocates for “comparative worth” discrimination. This is the idea that workers in an economy that are doing equally hard jobs should make the same amount of money. If they are not, that’s discrimination – which the government can then correct.
We aren’t talking about two workers in the same job and at the same company who get paid different amounts. Comparative worth empowers the government to set wages between industries that it deems to be equal.
Nurses make less than doctors? Discrimination! All nurses get raises. Truck drivers make more than secretaries? Discrimination! All secretaries get a raise.
These bills allow a bureaucrat to set wages across the economy and to inform companies that they must adjust the salaries, up or down, of entire classes of workers. This ought to terrify all of us. Worse, it is indicative of how our democratic opponents view the economy. They want to control it to ensure that it is “fair,” based on their simplistic ideas of what fairness is. Competition, risks and wealth are bad, in their view, and should be removed whenever possible. A President, armed with majorities in both chambers of Congress, can make many things possible.
A President can’t really do all that much to help the economy in the short-run, but they can do it serious harm. Ideas like comparative worth are how.
You don’t like McCain’s stance on immigration? Obama has promised illegal aliens drivers’ licenses. Worried about McCain on Judges? There is no need to worry about the type of judges Sen. Clinton will appoint. They will be as liberal as Ginsberg. Earmarks? They both love them.
If you want to throw a hissy-fit and refuse to support McCain because he isn’t perfect, keep this in mind: conservatives who stay home strengthen the hand of either the most liberal member of Congress or President Clinton’s heir. McCain is not my first choice, but he is the best option left for the country. He will get my vote on Tuesday and in November.
He should also get yours.
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Presumably Mike Huckabee is still on the ballot. A few choice words for those who might tend in that direction would add a valuable perspective to your otherwise well-reasoned thoughts.
Although I disagree vehemently with Ron Paul on Iraq and the WOT, I will vote for him because of his views on individual liberty and the Constitution. If it is McCain and HRC, I may vote McCain, for no other reason than the thought of having her as the Commander in Chief of our Armed Forces makes me ill. If it is McCain-Obama, I may go third party.
RHarrison,
Great points.
I have to wonder about those who will vote Huckabee and Paul to “send a message” to McCain. Many of these are the same people who decided to “send a message” to GWB in fall of ‘06, and handed both houses of congress to the Democrats. Who’s laughing now?
A vote for Paul is a vote for the Dems. A vote for Huckabee is a vote for the Dems. The odds of Huckabee securing enough of the outstanding delegates to win the nomination are slim. Ron Paul was statistically eliminated months ago. Remember the last time Republicans and GOP-leaning independents decided to “send a message” in a presidential race? They voted for the third-party, Ross Perrot, and we got two terms of Bill Clinton. Thanks guys. Or the time prior? People mad at Nixon cast their protest vote and we got Jimmy Carter. Great.
McCain isn’t perfect. He was my guy in 2000, but lost the nomination. I fully supported the nominee going forward. Bush hasn’t been perfect either, but far better than Gore or Kerry would have been. Since 2000, McCain has angered me on numerous occasions, but a whole lot less than Hillary and or Obama.
Also, like RHarrison pointed out, Hillary and Obama are borderline socialist in their policies. All a protest vote will do is ensure that instead of getting a less-than perfect president, we’ll get a really, really bad president. People deserve the government that they get. Go ahead, cast your protest votes against McCain, but don’t cry when your taxes go through the roof, you get healthcare that is Universal, but turns out to be universally crappy, and our embassies start getting bombed again. Don’t complain when a dirty bomb goes off in Cleveland or elsewhere. Don’t complain when for years and years to come, the Supreme Court makes up laws as it goes along, rather than looking at the founder’s intent.
I will be voting for Ron Paul tomorrow.
I read on an earlier thread that if you vote Rep or Dem in the Primary than you had to pledge to vote for the Rep or Dem that made the Presidential ticket. I just called the voting office and this is NOT true for Virginia.
Greg,
Three questions:
1. What do you think of Ron Paul?
2. Were voters to preregister for the primary? It is my understanding that a registered voter can vote in the primary. Someone I know asked me this. Maybe it has to do with whether one votes in the Democrats or Republicans which leads to the next question.
3. Does one choose which primary to vote (Democrat/Republican)?
Patty,
If you are a registered voter you can vote. When you go to the polls you simply tell the election officers which primary you wish to vote in.
“1. What do you think of Ron Paul?
2. Were voters to preregister for the primary? It is my understanding that a registered voter can vote in the primary. Someone I know asked me this. Maybe it has to do with whether one votes in the Democrats or Republicans which leads to the next question.
3. Does one choose which primary to vote (Democrat/Republican)?”
Patty,
I won’t comment on #1, since you asked Greg for his opinion. #’s 2 & 3 are factual questions, so I hope you find my comments sufficient:
Any registered voter can vote in a Virginia primary. No need to pre-register (as in a convention where you register as a delegate). If you have been voting regularly or semi-regularly, haven’t moved or had to re-register, just go to your normal polling place and cast your vote. If you have moved since you last voted and have yet to change your voter registration, you can go to your old polling place and vote there.
Since there is no registration by party in Virginia, you can vote in either the Dem or GOP primary, but you must choose which one when you check in at the polling place. They will take you to the appropriate machine (s) based on your declaration.
Patty,
1. Ron Paul is a fringe candidate with no chance of winning. He holds some deeply disturbing beliefs and has some very disturbing baggage, none of which has been looked at because he is a fringe candidate. For example, he apparently edited a grossly racist and anti-Semitic newsletter back in the 70’s. His campaign says he just put his name on the tracts. Even if true, Paul was irresponsible and very close to people who were openly and proudly racist. The career of a real candidate would have been ended by such a revelation.
2. If you are registered to vote, you can vote in the primary. There is not a separate registration. I think there is some confusion between the Presidential primary and the Republican convention held last month. You did have to register as a delegate for the convention. You only have to be registered to vote to participate in tomorrow’s primary.
3. Yes, you have to choose a party tomorrow. When you arrive at the polling station, you can ask for a Republican or a Democratic ballot, but not both. Choosing does not make you a Republican or Democrat, but you can’t vote in both.
Patty,
I think you can still write-in a candidate.
Ted/Anyone,
Can you confirm that as well, sir? Thanks.
Patty,
2. Voters do not need to register for the primary.
3. When you arrive, you will tell nice workers what primary you are here to vote for. They will activate the machine to show the choices for that primary.
I’m thinking of voting for hillary tomorrow because i think she will rally more conservatives to vote against her and be easier to beat in the general election
If the machines are set up as usual (and there is no reason why they shouldn’t be) a voter can cast a write in ballot.
RHarrison said,
“Ron Paul is a fringe candidate with no chance of winning. He holds some deeply disturbing beliefs and has some very disturbing baggage, none of which has been looked at because he is a fringe candidate. For example, he apparently edited a grossly racist and anti-Semitic newsletter back in the 70’s. His campaign says he just put his name on the tracts. Even if true, Paul was irresponsible and very close to people who were openly and proudly racist. The career of a real candidate would have been ended by such a revelation.”
Since when do republicans care if a candidate is racist. Most of you vehemently defend George Allen even though tons of respected individuals have exposed him as the abject racist that he is.
RHarrison…you are a liar. You don’t care if Ron Paul is a racist. You’re smearing his name like the greasy slimeball you are.
Huckabee and Romney together have 532 delegates, and McPain has 719. If we can bring VA home for Huckabee we have a better chance at getting a brokered convention, where either some one like New Gingrich can walk in and get the nomination, or at least force McPain to put a real Conservative into the VP slot and in his administration.
Like my boy Rep. Duncan Hunter for Sec of Defense.
The faster McCain can wrap this up the faster he will be moving to the left… if that is possible for Mr. McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Lieberman, Senator No Drilling in Anwar, Senator close Gitmo day one, and send the terrorists to Leavenworth to be defended by the ACLU at our expense no doubt…
Pray for a brokered Convention, Vote Huckabee tomorrow!
I just called the voting office and there are NO write-ins on any Primaries.
“The Truth”
You have made gratuitous assertions regarding RHarrison, Geroge Allen, and the GOP, i.e. making a statement without any fact. The rules of debate say that a gratuitous assertion can be refuted with an equally gratuitous assertion, so here goes:
“The Truth” you are a moron and cannot relieve yourself without graphical instructions.
So, I can’t write in a candidate?
starryflights said on 11 Feb 2008 at 12:06 pm:
I just called the voting office and there are NO write-ins on any Primaries.
Damn!
PWC Voter Registration & Elections.
http://www.pwcgov.org/default.aspx?topic=040042
I looked on the website. I didn’t see where it says you can’t write in a candidate. Help me out here. If we can write in a candidate during the elections why can’t we write in a candidate during a primary?
I will pull the lever for Romney just to let the maniac know he hasn’t won me over regardless of his positives. The maniac pissed me off in 2000 with his sophomoric antics and his claiming to be a fighter pilot when he flew attack birds. In November?… I will probably vote for the maniac while holding my nose and barfing up my guts, only because he is the least liberal of the three current leaders. Of course a brokered convention may be our salvation.
I didn’t find the answer on any website, I called and asked the Voter Registration and Elections Office: 703-792-6470 No write-ins on Primaries.
Last week, I thought I would vote for Romney anyway, but didn’t he endorse McCain when he suspended his campaign? I can’t stomach that. So, Ron Paul it is. I read about Ron Paul’s stand on many issues on his website, and out of the candidates left, I like him best.
starry -
Did Romney endorse McCain? I don’t recall him endorsing anyone - I could be very wrong though.
There is no greater issue facing this country today than the global war on terror, of which the Iraq war is an integral part. John McCain is just the man to lead us to victory. A vote for Hillary or Obama would be a vote for defeat. We cannot afford to lose this war, whatever the costs, because the costs of defeat would be even greater. Vote for John McCain tomorrow.
starryflights said on 11 Feb 2008 at 12:42 pm:
I called too.
Patty,
Pick up the phone, and listen with your own ears, please.
McCain will be the GOP nominee - you can take that to the
bank. He is more conservative than either of the
two Dems - and will run center right with the goal
of taking enough of the center to win in November.
As George Will notes “Governing is often choosing
between imperfect choices”.
The more interesting campaign is on the Democrat
side - a real horse race. All the normal issues plus the
touchy mix of race and gender thrown in. (What
happens to Florida and Michigan delegates - especially
if the campaign ends a dead heat?)
Who would be the biggest challenge for Mac — Obama
or Hillary? Would/should a normal GOPer vote in
the Democratic primary for who they think would
be the weakest foe in the fall?
Stay tuned
McCain may end up being on the Rep Ticket, but he needs to know how many people don’t care for him…thus the vote for Ron Paul. If you vote for McCain, he will believe that you are voting for his stand on immigration and the rest. No Thanks!
RE: Ron Paul
…only Paul has introduced a bill to legalize unpasteurized milk.
Give yourself five minutes and see if you can think of a more
countercultural idea than that. Most people assume that the whole reason we have a government is to make sure the milk gets pasteurized. It takes some stones to argue otherwise, especially if nobody’s paying you to do it. (The raw-milk lobby basically consists of about eight goat-cheese enthusiasts in Manhattan, and possibly the Amish.) Paul is pro-choice on pasteurization entirely for reasons of principle. “I support the right of people to drink whatever they want,” he says. He mocks the idea that “only government can make sure we’re safe, so we need the government to protect us. I don’t think
we’d all die of unsafe food if we didn’t have the FDA. Someone else would do it.”
“http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=49c0058e-c9f3-4a4b-96ef-
25f4d0607bb2″
I’m sorry, but with the exception of the Amish, the right to drink unpasteurized milk is not among the top concerns for me or for most voters. No wonder he’s a fringe candidate.
My bad, this is the link
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=49c0058e-c9f3-4a4b-96ef-
25f4d0607bb2
This whole campaign season has felt like voting by process of elimination. Well, it’s down to us, and I guess I pick McCain by process of elimination as well. It’s still tempting to put in a protest vote for Fred Thompson, though. However, I favor McCain’s currently stated economic stands as well as foreign policy over Huckabee, so I think that drives my vote.
I’ll be voting for Billary (puke) tomorrow because if she’s the Dimocrats’ nominee, her campaign will self-destruct.
Latest polls today showing Obama beating McCain
by 8% while Hillary does it by 2%. (Of course, as
we all know, polls are often hazy snapshots and may
prove to be very wrong on election day).
Obama is a good speaker and certainly has a touch
of charisma, plus right now he is the next hot new
thing and has the buzz -he is a “tabula rosa” . Who
isn’t for change, hope, a better tomorrow? But,
what does that mean in concrete terms. End the
war in Iraq - and then what? What is the NEXT chapter?
We, to our sorrow, didn’t ask that going in — we
would be crazy not to ask it pulling out. The folks
who planned 9-11 just aren’t going back and sit
in their caves forever and leave us in peace.
They have told and shown us that fact. Barack
will have to move from feel good nebulous words -
and find his own Straight Talk Express.
All,
Edwards is still on the ballot for Democrats and Thompson is still on the ballot for Republicans. Even though they dropped out their names are still on the ballot.
I might just vote for Thompson to let McCain know I don’t like him.
Greg,
in your diatribe, you mention the Hillary and Barack supporting the communist notion of “comparative worth” - can you point me to that information? I have not heard it from either of them, but I could be wrong - please correct me.
On the drivers license issue - it is like this - would I prefer to have an illegal immigrant with no ID or with an ID. They are going to drive anyway. They can drive with an International Drivers License - they can drive with the license from their own country. PLease explain to me what giving them a drivers license does for them.
starryflights
Regarding the ‘Pledge’, thankfully, the Replubican party came to their senses.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/28/AR2007112802448.html
Pat, no…we don’t want them to get a drivers license! It will make it harder for them to get around without one. Also, if a cop pulls them over and they do not have one….that could be probable cause for further investigating their immigration status.
The Obama ads on the radio are promising more money for schools, more money for teachers’ salaries, universal health care that will save a couple an average of $2500/year, higher wages, middle class tax cuts and lower costs for a college education.
No word on where all this money is going to come from.
Pat,
If they have a drivers license then they have state issued ID.
Why on earth would you want an ILLEGAL ALIEN to have a government issued ID if they were here illegally?
I’ve had been hit by an admitted drunk illegal alien while pregnant who had an ID. It seemed to me back in 1993 when this happened. INS(at the time) would’ve deported him to his country of orgin. Oh, and it was his 2nd DUI, and he had a Commercial DL. Then summer of 2006, I was hit by an illegal in a parking lot and she took off while waiting for the cops to come, and they had to remove her from her place of employment in handcuffs. The Patriot is absolutely right no ID, then there’s PROBABLE CAUSE. Get real.
I won’t vote for McCain. I’ll pull the lever for Hillarah before that happens. There is not a Republican that can win against Obama and barely any that can hang with Hillarah. This country and especially this area is turning liberal at a frightening pace because of 8 years of GWB. His endorsement will be the final kiss of death to any Republican candidate. At least the country was prosperous under the Clintons. The worst that can happen is that she makes them all legal which ends the status quo. Same result to me either way. There’s no reason for us to be in Iraq. They don’t want us there and all we are doing is preventing the inevitable by keeping a presence there. The second we leave, whether it be now or 10 years from now, the extremists will setup shop. We may as well leave now and save the trillions of dollars we would spend by delaying the inevitable.
A vote for McCain is a vote for the status quo and another 8 years of RINO politics and corporate cronyism. Don’t do it.
CONVA said on 11 Feb 2008 at 12:40 pm:
The maniac pissed me off in 2000 with his sophomoric antics and his claiming to be a fighter pilot when he flew attack birds.
Check out the site below and see what the most decorated person in U.S. Military history had to say about McCain. McCain is not playing with a full deck.
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_hacker_2.htm
McCain had a total of 20 hours of combat in Viet Nam. Where did he get the title “HERO?” What did he do other than become a POW to earn the Silver Stars he was awarded? His daddy was an admiral at the time he was in the service. He also finished almost at the bottom of his accademy class. A vote for him is a vote for illegal alien amnesty.
Park’d, I do believe you are suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome. LOL.
That’s what they call it on another forum I read anytime someone has less than glowing words for Bush.
I AM STILL GOING TO VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY.
For those of you who didn’t read closely, this post was by my co-conspirator RHarrison.
Why would I do this? It’s a protest. Let’s say Romney registers enough votes to get mentioned, even though he’s suspended his campaign. What kind of message would that send to McCain? It should make him very concerned that conservatives don’t trust him, and he better figure out quickly how to start demonstrating that he’s worthy of our trust, before he starts pandering to independents and sounding like a Democrat (again) in the general election.
If you vote for McCain, your vote is wasted. He’s got this in the bag already, and he doesn’t need your vote. Despite him robo-calling me incessantly, I don’t think he really gives a crap about whether he gets my vote, because he’s done precious little to actually earn it. He just has a lot of money to spend, and calling me every few hours is a way to use it.
Or you can vote for Huckabee, if you care for him at all. I’m finished with that guy, myself, and wouldn’t be able to hold my nose tight enough to keep the stink from creeping in without doing myself permanent injury if I could even contemplate punching his name.
No, I’m not going quietly into that good night. The powers that be really need to get a full dose of the outrage that conservatives such as I feel right now.
John McCain can kiss my ass.
Starry: Romney did not endorse McCain. I’m voting for Romney.
Monticup - Ditto!
“”"”" Anonymous said on 11 Feb 2008 at 3:05 pm:
McCain had a total of 20 hours of combat in Viet Nam. Where did he get the title “HERO?” What did he do other than become a POW to earn the Silver Stars he was awarded? His daddy was an admiral at the time he was in the service. He also finished almost at the bottom of his accademy class. A vote for him is a vote for illegal alien amnesty.”"”"”
Anonymous, I agree. McCain was very unfortunate to have gotten shot down and to have been taken prisoner. I am glad that he made it out alive. I don’t believe that he should be flaunting HERO in our face for being shot down. I also don’t think that 20 hours in combat shows us that he would be a good leader, as I believe that I have heard him say. Ron Paul served 5 years in the military as a flight surgeon. He wants to end illegal immigration, secure our borders and put a stop to birth right citizenship. He also wants us to take care of our veterans and stop taking away from their benefits that they were promised. He also stated that he would put a stop to taking away VA disability payments from their retirement pay. This should be on top of that, not deducted from it. I also don’t believe that the U.S. should be the police of the world at taxpayers expense and neither does he.
Maybe I got it wrong. Maybe Romney didn’t endorse McCain. That fact that he suspended his campaign showed me that he was willing for McCain to win. I am not. Romney has lost my vote. Romney may also have links to the CFR which troubles me.
Starryflights - Romney suspended his campaign for the good of the Republican party as he felt it would help unite the Republicans behind one candidate.
He did not endorse anyone. By suspending his campaign, Romney gets to keep his votes.
Greg L said on 11 Feb 2008 at 3:13 pm:
I AM STILL GOING TO VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY
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Greg-Don’t hold back, tell us how you REALLY feel!!
“”"”" Loudoun said on 11 Feb 2008 at 3:55 pm:
Starryflights - Romney suspended his campaign for the good of the Republican party as he felt it would help unite the Republicans behind one candidate.
He did not endorse anyone. By suspending his campaign, Romney gets to keep his votes.”"”"”
….and who would THAT candidate be????? McCain!! NO THANKS!
“Pat Herve said on 11 Feb 2008 at 1:57 pm:
Greg,
in your diatribe, you mention the Hillary and Barack supporting the communist notion of “comparative worth” - can you point me to that information? I have not heard it from either of them, but I could be wrong - please correct me.”
Ok Pat…Greg didn’t write the post, RHarrison did. There, you are corrected.
I just heard Obama speaking and he said they were hoping to capture some Republicans and they are called “Obamicans”.
You’ve got to be kidding me.
“McCain had a total of 20 hours of combat in Viet Nam. Where did he get the title “HERO?” ”
Anonymous (Knucklehead…)
Huh? 7 years in the Hanoi Hilton does constitute combat duty. If you don’t think he head to fight for his life every day, you are stupid. His dad was the Chief of Naval Ops, and parole was offerred to John McCain on several occasions. He could have been released but it would have been a PR coup for the NVA. McCain held true to the code of conduct, and that is what makes him a hero.
This has got to be one of the DUMBEST comments to ever be posted on any blog, anywhere, at anytime.
Bats, I think we are all just tired of McCain using his military record in his campaign. I don’t think he needs to tell us in every ad, debate or speech that he is a war hero. True heroes, in my opinion, don’t do that.
I have the utmost respect for those in the military, the first responders, and our law enforcement officers (if they’re not crooked).
However, there is more to being POTUS than being a prisoner of war. I, too, am tired of hearing about his military record in every ad, debate, speech…
Like starrflights, I prefer humility.
Starryflights,
If the future of our country wasn’t at stake, I would find great humor in your comments, which reflect a pop-culture understanding of politics. First, you won’t vote for Romney, because you think he endorsed McCain, but you were wrong. Then, because he suspended his campaing, you won’t vote for him, because you think he wants McCain to win, instead of perserving his position for another possible run in 4 years. Now, you think he is part of the Council on Foreign Relations, so you won’t vote for him. This is the funniest part of all. I consider myself pretty informed, and this is the first time I have heard of this association.
Why do I think you would never vote for him, regardless of the circumstances? I could understand if you said, “I can’t vote for a Mormon”. At least that would be legitimate, because Romney is in fact a Morman. All of the other reasons that you cite are rumor and inuendo.
In other words, I can see the wisdom of our founding fathers, for implementing the electoral college.
All these folks who will vote for Hillary or Obama before McCain make me laugh. Oooh, how principled! To prefer innocent Obama in charge of the Defense Department, and militantly liberal Hillary in charge of Justice! Yes, this is vastly better than a Republican who has strayed on some issues!
My advice-stay in your pajamas and don’t vote at all. Just don’t call yourself a conservative.
I sooo wanted to write in my man, Hamilton Sandwich. Particulary if I went to the polls on an empty stomach.
Batson -
Agreed. John McCain’s time in the Hanoi Hilton certainly qualifies for war hero recognition. However, I disagree with the manner in which he lords it over anyone with whom he finds disagreement. Another good reason to vote Romney, despite the current delegate count.
“starryflights said on 11 Feb 2008 at 4:19 pm:
Bats, I think we are all just tired of McCain using his military record in his campaign. I don’t think he needs to tell us in every ad, debate or speech that he is a war hero. True heroes, in my opinion, don’t do that.”
I got tired of Kerry talking about HIS record, becasue when he came back, he stabbed every vet and servicemember then engaged in combat in the back, and gave aid and comfort to the enemy. He did this while a member of the naval reserve. He should have been tried for treason, but the lefties in congress were more concerned about “healing”.
Look, John McCain has pissed me off more times in the last eight years than I care to count. This is what I hold against him. However, I suggest you do a little reading about what John McCain and ALL of the “guests” at the Hanoi Hilton went through, before expressing your opinion (to which you are indeed entitled to, and to which I am free to disagree), as to what constitutes a “hero” in your book. Now I will say that what he experienced as a POW shouldn’t form the sole basis of your vote ( Jack Murtha served in the Marines, James Webb was a rifle platoon leader, James Bond Stockdale was the longest serving POW, and yes even John Kerry sufferred in the Vietnamese heat, Al Gore was a reporter with AFN in Nam but I would rather be TORTURED than vote for them), it should say something about his character. The man was TORTURED. Not waterboarded, which the lefties think is so terrible, John McCain was tortured. He can’t lift his arms above shoulder level, because he had them dislocated so many times. The man could have accepted parole, but kept faith with his fellow POW’s. James Bond Stockdale called John McCain one of the bravest, most heroic individuals he had ever had the pleasure of serving with.
No, I will vote for McCain because I think he is the best choice left. He is the most conservative (American Conservative Union rating of 82%) candidate who can WIN. To vote for Ron Paul, or Huckleberry to “send a message” to John McCain is folly.
If my comments seem a bit strong, please understand that I have a pretty good idea what REAL torture is, and what it can do to an individual. To hear someone say that what John McCain did during the Viet Nam war was less than heroic pisses me off. That shouldn’t be enough for you to vote for him, but until you have spent days on end, strung from the rafters so your shoulders and hips get pulled out of their sockets, untiil you have had bamboo shoved into private places on your body and set on fire, you do not rate to comment on whether or not he is a hero. Vote agianst him if you like, but don’t dismiss his sacrifice and sufferring for his country, OUR country as some sort of “campaign tactic” I am sure when Ngyen and Giap where TORTURING John McCain for all of those YEARS, the LAST think on his mind was “Hey, when I run for President in 2008, this will make a great campaign flyer”.
Greg,
in your diatribe, you mention the Hillary and Barack supporting the communist notion of “comparative worth” - can you point me to that information? I have not heard it from either of them, but I could be wrong - please correct me.”
Ok Pat…Greg didn’t write the post, RHarrison did. There, you are corrected.
Thank you for correcting me, Batson, I like many others thought this thread was written/created by Greg, as he controls the content on this site.
Now how about the answer to the real question - or, is it ok for this blog to post misinformation - and that is ok. (Just like the misquote that No one is trying to deny basic services like the library or health care to the immigrant.) I guess it does matter to you if one spreads false information, as long as your point gets across.
As far as ID - I would prefer an ID - with fingerprints - so that we KNOW who it is that we are dealing with. What we have now, is no id, no fingerprints - he says I am Joe Doe, well then, he is Joe Doe. Next time he is caught, he is John Doe - and we have no way of finding out/verifyng this information. Does the fact that he has a drivers licencse make him legal - no way. DMV can have a flag in the system as to wether one provided Legal Status documentation or not.
It is not like not having a drivers license is stopping them from driving.
What are the thoughts around a National Identifier that is asigned to Everyone?
Rob Smalls,
I was a “Fred Head” first. Then he dropped out. Then I was “I’m wit Mitt”, then he dropped out. John McCain is not my first choice this election cycle, it appears that he is my only real choice. As much as he has pissed me off during the last time I pulled a lever for him (2000), the “empty suit” Obama, and the…ok, I’ll say it, COMMUNIST Hillary Clinton scare me far worse than a John McCain Presidency.
What I am saying is, Republicans better wake up and think right really quickly. Huckabee would get slaughtered in an General election. Ron Paul? I got a new slogan for his campaign: WHO THE HELL IS RON PAUL? The time to be principled pased about two months ago. This is a brawl. It will get UGLY. The stakes are much too high for these shortsighted comments, and shortsighted votes. Obama and Clinton would be a disaster.
Ron Paul for me
We need real conservatives. McCain sucks on gun rights, he sucks on illegal immigration and he’s a flip flopper on american foreign policy too.
Just like Giuliani is a broken record, so is McCain
a McCain sentence has three common elements
Noun, Verb, “surge”
We need to now focus on local elections, so we get congress aligned to enforce our immigration laws.
We also need to work on reducing legal immigration, unless you want 440 million people in the USA by 2050.
“What are the thoughts around a National Identifier that is asigned to Everyone?”
Sure. Let’s barcode everyone. Microchip them like dogs and cats. Put a GPS in everyone’s colon. Real ID is one thing. Make the states comply, or risk losing all Federal funding. What the hell does this have to do with Clinton and Obama wanting to redistribute wealth?
“Anon said on 11 Feb 2008 at 5:10 pm:
Ron Paul for me”
Ok, vote for Ron Paul. Please, don’t get involved in the local elections. I don’t think the local canidates need your astute political accumen
Bats, I can’t wait to get up early tomorrow and be at the polls when they open to vote for Ron Paul. I would have voted for Romney, had he not bowed out, but now I am really liking Ron Paul. It doesn’t bother me at all that Romney is a Mormon, I am married to one.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080211/pl_nm/cuba_castro_mccain_dc
Anyone read this article on Yahoo? We have been told that McCain is a hot head. If he becomes President will he invade Cuba for revenge? It sure sounds like he wants to stick it to them. Anyway, interesting article. Castro is saying the McCain is lying about Cuba being involved in torture during the Vietnam War. I heard what McCain said about Romney and I do believe that he lies.
StarryFlights,
If you want to vote for Ron Paul, because he is the remaining candidate that best represents your views, then go right ahead. I can’t fault you for voting your heart. I just hope you understand that Ron Paul has about as much chance at becoming president, as you or I do winning the Big Game on a single ticket bet. I do believe that you will still be able to vote for Romney, that his suspension was too late to have his name pulled from the ballot. Why not vote for him? If you want to toss your vote away, might as well do it for the person you would have voted for. You say you would have had he not dropped out. He’s got more chance at winning the nomination (he’s got like 100 times the delegates) than Ron Paul has. Hell, why don’t you get real slick and vote in the Democrat primary instead? Vote Obama, or Hillary, or whoever you think would be the most strategic? It’d be like voting for Ron Paul, except the person you voted for has an actual shot at winning.
“If he becomes President will he invade Cuba for revenge? ”
Yahoo article? Starry, you prove my point. John McCain will invade Cuba for revenge?
Starry, don’t drink Pepsi and eat Pop Rock…that’s what killed Mikie.
Since Romney bowed out, I visited Ron Paul’s website and I like what I read about where he stands on issues. I LOVE his stand on illegal immigration, securing our borders and putting an end to birth right citizenship. I don’t think Romney every took a stand on birth right citizenship. I do know that Ron Paul will not win, but I want my vote to go to the one that I agree with the most. People need to send a message with their vote, not just vote for who they think will win or the lesser of two evils. This is what got us in this mess with Bush.
Bats, I was just kidding about the invading Cuba for revenge. I guess I should have stated that.
starryflights.
I would vote for Ron. What times are the polls in operation?
I don’t like Romney taking a breather ( what signal does that sent) HE could have pulled a move like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnmFadjISBs
AND in my eyes would have done less harm.
Don’t give a uck about uck and we see how the tide is turning so I am trying to figure out who is better. Obama or Clinton?
I too like the 2 4 1 deal. I am NOT impressed with Hillary’s 261 earmarks. I am torn, as I like what Obama says too.
” too like the 2 4 1 deal. I am NOT impressed with Hillary’s 261 earmarks. I am torn, as I like what Obama says too.”
Redawn, if you care about illegal immigration, and I know you do, you shouldn’t be “torn” about the finer points of difference between Hillary or Obama. IF you are voting for whichever will mobilize the Republicans against them, then go for it. However, if you are seriously looking at their postions, I give up. We are doomed.
Laf,
I was told that you may not write in a candidate in the primary. I do not know this for a fact, but that is what I was told. Maybe AWC told me. I cannot remember.
You see Batson, there you go.
I asked what do you think about a National ID, and you go off the cliff “Sure. Let’s barcode everyone. Microchip them like dogs and cats. Put a GPS in everyone’s colon. ”
I asked a legit question - why not a national id card. Most other countries of the world have them - why not the US. Then, one could be issued temporily for travelers, and if one did not have a national id card, whammo, they are here illegally.
See, if you do not drive, you do not need a drivers license. You do not need any id at all. So to say someone is illegal is very difficult to do - because if they produce no documentation of who they are, well, then we have no idea who they are either - or where they come from. So, lets deport them because they have no drivers license - where do we send them? (Legit question).
I am glad you read the other topic about Clinton and Obama “comparative worth” - now, point me to where they are in support of “comparative worth”. There is way too much misinformation spouted out around here, and no backup.
I had also heard on this site that Obama is a muslim, which is not true.
There are alot of comments here that is said, but no backup.
Dolph,
It was discussed earlier. You can NOT write-in for a PRIMARY.
I’ll have to write that individual in November, I guess.-lol
Starryflights and I both called today and we “heard with our own ears.” I also posted the website for Voter Registration. You must have been missed that. Hmm..
Crash course should be my new moniker ( as that is how I feel, trying to learn everything quick and get caught up for my ADMITTED neglect, so ASHAMED of myself)
Batson,
You are correct that I care about illegal immigration ( I am still in the process of trying to figure out who is the better between those 2) With you saying that, I WILL look into the differences more.
With that said above, I am not a the STRATEGIC vote to do what to who, etc….. ( it seems now more than ever, we ALL need that experience)
For the record, I do agree that we can NOT deport everyone, IT IS NOT THAT EASY.
I am ALMOST ashamed that I emailed stuff like that through NumbersUSA, etc. ( as I am still in search of…..)
I have learned a lot and what I have learned is that it is NOT that easy and people have to have their EARS open and then tongues can wag toward a solution.
IT IS going to be a compromise in one form or another ( I am still very concerned about the NAU, some think it is BS , but it makes the MOST sense to me)
Pat Herve,
Ron Paul can be considered a quack ( I have seen who supports him, I see …..”birds if a feather flock together.”…I think there is a misunderstanding between him and such but I don’t think he has a chance or does he? IF he is still around in November, I will vote for him.
Anyhow, I wanted to address you about the ID crap ( not necessarily the above)
A child of the 80’s , the fear of WW3, BIG BROTHER , NOW looking into the NAU and getting caught up….
I don’t like it one bit. I see that the illegal immigration is a whore for excuses of things like that to happen.
1.If our borders were secure, we would not need E-Verify.
2. D.C. Cops Start Watching Cameras for Crimes
http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=596&sid=1343083
3. High-tech driver’s licenses will be allowed at Border
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB31g29Ib1Y
I feel that OUR civil liberties are being restricted in the name of doing NOTHING to stop it from the start.
I will NOT live my life policed.
This is where I draw the line in the sand.
Just like this article I found today. When do you stop it before it starts?
DISTRACTION seems to be the key ( clever as always)
# redawn said on 11 Feb 2008 at 11:20 am:
“Euros Accepted” signs pop up in New York City
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN0655798320080206?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews
Interesting post. The Youngs will support Ron Paul, in lieu of our preferred choice, Mitt Romney. While I find Paul’s isolationism ridiculous, he is also the candidate most serious about the Constitution. I try very hard to not make the perfect the enemy of the good. Nevertheless, McCain is considerably farther from perfect than I like in my primary choices.
Anonymous ( 11 Feb 2008 at 3:05 pm:)
Regarding your question about John McCain’s heroism:
I do NOT support John McCain for president. I will not vote for him unless something earth-shattering happens.
However, anyone who was a prisoner in the Hanoi Hilton during the Vietnam War is a war hero in my book. To say otherwise is disrespectful, IMHO. As long as I draw breath on this earth, I will never forget watching those broken men, those released prisoners, get off that plane after they were released. Every last one of them was a hero in my eyes and the eyes of America at the time.
As a Young Republican (17) (and a Huckabee Supporter) I’m very frustrated with the way John McCain has already been accepted as our party’s nominee, As we have seen Saturday, A miracle is entirely possible, We were only expected to win Kansas, But we went on to take LA and apparently (from the way the Wash Gop chairman Shut off counting) Washington State.
I Firmly believe, Mike can go all the way and win Virginia and possibly MD.
Here’s what you get if you vote for McCain
50 Cent a Gallon carbon tax
Amnesty for All
Constitutional Rights for Terrorists
Abortion on Demand
Free Speech Infringement
High Taxes
Massive expansion of government
Massive increase in Spending
Or in other words, everything thats the opposite of the GOP Platform
We don’t have to settle for second best, We have an opportunity to make history and elect the last best hope for mankind
Tomorrow go cast your ballot for Mike Huckabee.
You Won’t Regret It
By the way, I Just heard an ad for attacking Huckabee and Praising McCain
Who was it by?????
PLANNED PARENTHOOD
I am supporting John McCain for President, because he has the best chance to beat Hillary or Barack in November. Although, I am still lukewarm on my endorsement. I realize that McCain will eventually win the nomination. If anything, Romney could rain on McCain’s parade at the end of the day. McCain’s positions on illegal immigration has upset many in the Republican party (including me), and a vote for Romney or Huckabee could show McCain a lesson that he needs to change his positions. McCain truly needs to reach out to conservatives in order for him to win in November, and it will be no easy task.
PWConservitive,
I commend you on being so young (17) and being interested in the political process.
Here’s what you get if you vote for McCain
50 Cent a Gallon carbon tax
This is good for the environment. Now, I do not want a tax increase, but you need to make innovation worth while. We have not significantly improved the combusion engine in over 30 years.
Amnesty for All
Yes, That is what many in the Republican party has wanted, as the business interests want cheap labor. Pres Bush has floated Amnesty several times. Even Romney employs illegal immigrants on his own personal property (caught many times). Senator Allen proposed Amnesty and wanted naniies to be exempt (special visa)
Constitutional Rights for Terrorists
They should have Constitutional Rights - the Death Penalty.
Abortion on Demand
Well, Abortion is not for me, but I do not push my religious beliefs down anothers throat. What if someone said, let’s ban pork and make it illegal. Yes, a corny analogy, but an analogy.
Free Speech Infringement
Not sure where you are going with that.
High Taxes
Lets face it - because of the budget deficit spending (especially Iraq), whoever beomes president, is going to have to raise taxes. In the current budget, Bush only funds the Iraq war until Jan 2009 - just in time to be away from it.
Massive expansion of government
Yes, bush has increased the size of Government, and I expect it to continue under McCain.
Massive increase in Spending
Like we have not had a massive increase in spending over the past 8 years.
Or in other words, everything thats the opposite of the GOP Platform
It cannot be the opposite of the GOP platform - as it is the GOP that is moving McCain into place. But it is a shame that they could not come up with someone to truly take on the Position of President.
I believe that Huckabee would give Amnesty to illegal aliens. He is very weak on this issue. So many games can be played on this issue. To step back into their country and come right back in…in many cases the head of the household only and any Mexican or other home country consulate would do. No thanks!
Bats,
Sorry to repeat what you just said. As soon as I saw it I flew to the bottom of the page to address the POW situation. I didn’t realize you had already posted on the issue. I am not a McCain supporter but I also do not disrespect war heroes.
All of our presidential candidates in my lifetime who had distinguished (and some not so distinguished) military service have spoken of it. It is an attribute valued by Americans. Might as well bring it up.
Pat,
Click on the link in the post. It will take you to a WSJ article describing two bills currently before congress that seek to establish a new bureaucracy to enforce comparative worth.
I don’t know if they have discussed this on the campaign trail, but their actions speak for themselves.
PW Conservative,
McCain is NOT pro-choice.
You convinced me Greg, Obama will not likely get my vote if I can corroborate your opinion. I will take one last look at his voting record, Hillary’s voting record and McCain’s. The one who is most in the middle will get my vote. I really hope that is not Hillary, because I don’t trust her ethics and attitude any more than I trust McCain’s. They both seem equally bad to me. I am aware that many of Hillary’s votes have been middle of the road votes. Not so sure about McCain or Obama in this regard.
Maybe I’ll write-in Romney. Seems like a waste of a vote though.
I’m certain Huckabee is the worst of all the candidates.
All I remember is how I was sickened by the McCain / Kennedy push for AMNESTY? That was very scary!
That was just a few short weeks ago!
Has McCain changed that much that anyone would consider him for President?
It made me sick then, and it makes me sick now!
Well said Dolph. POWs deserve all of our respect and gratitude.
Pat Herve Said
This is good for the environment. Now, I do not want a tax increase, but you need to make innovation worth while. We have not significantly improved the combusion engine in over 30 years.
Me
Actually This isn’t good for the environment, It moves energy intensive industries overseas and costs us American Jobs, All the while putting the same Greenhouse Gases into the air, It’s called Global Warming for a reason, Mike Huckabee has stated that any action on global warming
must be taken Multi-Laterally
Pat Herve Said
High Taxes
Lets face it - because of the budget deficit spending (especially Iraq), whoever beomes president, is going to have to raise taxes. In the current budget, Bush only funds the Iraq war until Jan 2009 - just in time to be away from it.
Huckabee’s Plan
End the IRS and institute the FairTax, Cutting Costs by 30%, Moving Jobs back to America, all while increasing Government income by taxing the 60 Million tourists and 12 Million Illegals
Pat Herve
Free Speech Infringement
Not sure where you are going with that.
Me. McCain-Feingold is what i consider free speech infringement
Pat Herve
Constitutional Rights for Terrorists
They should have Constitutional Rights - the Death Penalty.
Me. I agree with the death penalty, But what i meant was McCain would shut down GITMO and move terrorists on foreign soil, Allowing Activist Judge’s and ACLU Lawyers to get them off the hook
Big Government
Like i said Huckabee will get rid of the IRS
As for the GOP platform, Its not my fault that some politicians don’t seem to pay attention to the official platform
dolph
McCain is not pro-choice
Well could you explain why planned parenthood is running ads for him?
Huckabee issue guide
ISSUES
1. TAXES/ECONOMY –Governor Huckabee supports The FairTax because it will restore the “Made in America” label, making American goods 12-25% more competitive, boosting economic growth, increasing our exports, and securing American jobs. It also prevents criminals or illegal aliens from avoiding taxes, and makes the taxes we all pay 100% transparent.
2. GOVERNMENT SPENDING – Governor Huckabee is committed to reducing government spending. One way he’ll do this is by reducing the cost of welfare. Governor Huckabee will work with states to reduce welfare roles through programs like the one he implemented in Arkansas, which reduced welfare roles by 50%.
3. HEALTH CARE –Governor Huckabee will implement a consumer-based healthcare system that emphasizes preventative medicine and wellness. Because 70% of our $2 trillion dollar healthcare costs is spent treating chronic, preventable diseases, this approach will make healthcare more affordable for everybody while keeping us healthier.
4. FAMILY VALUES –Governor Huckabee supports a federal constitutional amendment to protect the right to life. He Successfully fought for Arknasas’ marriage amendment and strongly supports a similar, federal constitutional amendment defining marriage as a union between one man and one woman.
5. IMMIGRATION –Governor Huckabee will secure the border (with physical barriers, electronic surveillance, and more border-patrol personnel and detention facilities). He will also end sanctuary cities and increase penalties on, and enforcement against, employers who hire illegal immigrants. Governor Huckabee will make sure the border patrol has adequate funding to end our “catch and release” system so that everyone caught trying to enter illegally, overstaying their visa, or committing a crime will be held until they’re tried, convicted, and deported. Gov. Huckabee has also signed the Numbers USA “No Amnesty” Pledge.
6. WAR ON TERROR AND IRAQ – Governor Huckabee knows it takes a large, well-equipped military to ensure our national defense and to deter conventional military confrontations. He also knows we need large, well-equipped intelligence and Special Forces operations for our national offense – so we can effectively find and eliminate terrorist threats at home or abroad. Governor Huckabee will be a Commander in Chief who knows that IF WE HAVE TO FIGHT A WAR, our President has to fight it the way our GENERALS tell him it can be won, not the way we want it to be won.
7. ENERGY INDEPENDENCE –Governor Huckabee will implement a program to end the import of foreign oil in the next ten years by increasing domestic oil production in the short term, and then replacing oil-based energy infrastructure with alternative and renewable energies.
8. CLEMENCIES – Arkansas Governors grant clemency, but the parole board grants parole. Wayne DuMond’s parole was granted by the board and NOT Governor Huckabee.
9. TAXES –When Governor Huckabee left office, the tax rates remained exactly the same as when he first came into office. Governor Huckabee returned almost $400 million to Arkansas taxpayers, and he also DOUBLED the standard deduction for individuals and married couples, DOUBLED the childcare tax credit, and eliminated the marriage penalty. He also repealed capital gains taxes for home sales, lowered the capital gains rate by 25%, expanded the homestead exemption, and set up tax-free savings accounts for medical care and college tuition. Gov. Huckabee has also signed the Americans for Tax Reform’s pledge not to raise taxes.
10. SECOND AMENDMENT-
• Lifetime member of the NRA, member for over 15 years
• First Governor to have concealed-carry permit
• Removed restrictions on carry permit holders
• Protected gun manufacturers from frivolous lawsuits
• Opposes reauthorization of the Assault Weapon Ban
• Opposes expansion of the unconstitutional “Brady Bill”
• Opposes waiting period for purchase of firearms
• Opposes background checks on private firearms transactions at gun shows
• Will nominate judges who interpret the constitution as the Founders intended, rather than as a “living document reflecting current political trends or opinions”
• An avid hunter and conservationist, and a member of the Ducks Unlimited, National Wild Turkey Federation and BASS.
pwconservative,
I have no idea. Perhaps you misunderstood. I cannot imagine in a million years why Planned Parenthood would support or run ads for McCain.
If you find out more, let me know and I will call Planned Parenthood Federation and ask.
Now I don’t know all the in’s an out’s of McCains Abortion position’s but I do know he opposed the Constitutional Life Amendment, Saying he prefers to leave it up to the state’s. That position is effectively Pro-Choice, Considering that states like MD,CA,NY etc would never ban abortion, And so women in states that would Ban abortion would just travel to those states.
The Planned Parenthood ad stated that McCain wasn’t Pro-Choice but Much less strict than Huckabee, And so you should vote in the GOP Primary for McCain. I Seriously doubt that they would endorse McCain in the General, But it is plausible that they would want the republican that is more liberal on life
It is a primary. Yes, I do want to send a message to McCain. I am not happy with him at all. If Fred Thompson’s name is still on the ballot, I’m voting for him because I do want to let McCain know that I don’t like him. If I had my preference, I would write in a candidate but I was told I can’t do that. Therefore, I will do the next best thing.
By the way I have a brand new blog up
http://pwconservative.blogspot.com/
PWConservative,
That is the only thing that makes sense. Any candidate who advocates overturning Roe v Wade is not considered pro choice. I don’t know what has gotten in to Planned Parenthood. I will continue to keep an ear out to see what I can find out. Thanks for letting me know what you found out.
PWConservative at 9:52
Great organizations for Huckabee to belong to: Wild Turkeys and Ducks Unlimited!
10:17 - Pro-life / You want to change the constitution because some states would never go along with an abortion ban. Don’t you believe in “states rights”? Also, don’t you believe that the government should not step into peoples’ private lives? Isn’t the Right Wing’s motto: “Get the government off our backs”?
pwconservative,
I think this article is what you are talking about.
http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/02/11/planned-parenthood-takes-aim-at-mccain/
The article explains how Planned Parenthood will target John McCain for being anti-choice. Many people incorrectly believe he is pro-choice.
Krutis
I Believe in states rights but I Also believe Federalism must be used in some cases, Take Taxes as an example, Before the federalist constitution was passed the National Government had to rely on whatever the states decided to give, In this setup the federal government could not pay off debt accrued during the revolution,
This was one of the main factors in creating that eternal document we call the US Constitution
Abortion is one of those things that must be covered by federalism, If Abortion is Illegal in Virginia and Legal in Maryland, Anyone seeking an Abortion would simply drive to MD to murder their offspring, This actually undermines Virginia’s state right to Govern it’s people… So a Constitutional Amendment is not only necessary to Human Rights but also to States Rights
Dolph
I Am Currently in Ohio so this must be a different ad, the version I heard mentioned McCains support of embryonic stem cell research and Huckabee’s Support of the Human Life Amendment.
I Get back tomorrow so maybe I’ll hear the one playing in D.C
what I DO know about McCain is this statement
“certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations”
Regarding National ID cards, Hillary Clinton in 2003 is on record saying she favors them:
Tuesday, Feb. 11, 2003 11:54 a.m. EST
Hillary Calls for National ID Card
Saying that she is strongly opposed to “illegal immigrants,” New York.
Sen. Hillary Clinton announced Tuesday that she would support a national identification card for U.S. citizens if other measures to keep illegals out of the country failed.
“I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigrants,” Clinton told WABC Radio’s John Gambling. Then, a few moments later, the Democratic Party presidential front-runner added, “We might have to move towards an ID system even for citizens.”
Clinton said she would support a national ID card as part of an
overall effort to improve the U.S.’s national security.
http://seclists.org/politech/2003/Feb/0059.html
Folks, be careful about what you ask for - you just might get it.
666 anyone?
Unfortunately, our choices are not good…horrible, actually, and it’s a shame we’re in such a position. For those of you who stand on “principle,” in protest of John McCain, your “protest vote” won’t make a whit of difference after the inauguration, you’re simply giving up, allowing others to make the final decision for you, so, what to do?
There is no conservative candidate — Newt isn’t running; Fred Thompson apparently just didn’t have the stomach for a long and hard fight; even Huckabee and Romney haven’t been, aren’t and won’t be “solid conservatives”; and Ron Paul…my god, where did THAT nutcase come from? At this point, we simply don’t have a choice between CONSERVATIVE and LIBERAL candidates. We are left with a decision between John McCain (and all the craziness that he has done over the years) on one hand and wealth redistributing socialists, Clinton or Obama, on the other.
Unfortunately, there are so many people out there who “feel sorry for themselves” and want the government to take care of them with what is yours and what is mine, that unification behind the lesser of evils is our only hope.
If you really think that we need a socialist President to complement a socialist controlled Congress, then vote your “principles” in protest, that’s what you’ll get. However, our capitalistic society simply can not stand a Democrat controlled Congress and four years of either Obama OR Clinton.
For me, it’s a vote for the lesser of evils — John McCain…and it really, really pains me to say that, but we do need to get on the band-wagon now if we’re to keep the socialists out of the White House.
FYI to all Virginians - Romney and Thompson are still on the ballot. Just got back from the polls.
Vote away!
Just got back. I was number 11 for the Rep ticket. I voted for Ron Paul. The Dems were on 18. I was surprised to see so many names available on both tickets to vote for. (Sample ballots in hall)
Vote 4 Huck
This link is for anyone who does not believe self deportation is possible:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/12/us/12arizona.html?hp
McCain Softens Abortion Stand
Presidential hopeful John McCain at a news conference Sunday in Omaha, Neb. (AP)
By Terry M. Neal
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, August 24, 1999; Page A4
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) appeared to soften his position on making abortion illegal in separate interviews in recent days, drawing criticism from social conservatives and some of his opponents for the Republican presidential nomination.
Aides to McCain said perhaps he could have been clearer in comments he made to the San Francisco Chronicle and CNN, but that he had not wavered from his long-term opposition to abortion or his belief that Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion, should be repealed.
“I’d love to see a point where it is irrelevant, and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary,” McCain told the Chronicle in an article published Friday. “But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations.”
On Sunday, on CNN’s “Late Edition,” McCain reiterated that he would not have an abortion “litmus” test for a running mate or Supreme Court nominees. He added that while he ultimately favors repeal of Roe, “we all know, and it’s obvious, that if we repeal Roe v. Wade tomorrow, thousands of young American women would be performing illegal and dangerous operations.”
McCain has a long antiabortion record in his 17-year congressional career. He has said he opposes abortion with the exceptions of rape, incest and to prevent a woman’s death. In a National Right to Life Committee questionnaire last year, he answered “yes” when asked if he supported the complete reversal of Roe v. Wade. He also voted to override President Clinton’s veto of the ban on a late-term procedure called “partial birth” abortion by its opponents and in favor of continuing the ban on Medicaid funding for abortions, with exceptions for rape, incest and life of the woman.
His latest remarks took some conservatives by surprise. They said it appeared to contradict his record, what he told the National Right to Life Committee and a letter to Roman Catholic bishops last year in which he said he was a “life-long, ardent supporter of unborn children’s right to life.”
McCain and GOP rivals Texas Gov. George W. Bush and Elizabeth Dole–though they oppose abortion–have sought to deemphasize the issue in their campaigns for the nomination, saying it has divided the GOP and allowed Democrats to engage in demagoguery to their advantage.
So far there has been little backlash among conservatives, who are eager to capture the White House and generally appear willing to accept a more incremental approach on abortion. But some said McCain’s comments went too far.
“Those lines seem to blur the distinction between him and Al Gore,” said Randy Tate of the Christian Coalition.
Gail Quinn, executive director of the Secretariat for Pro-life Activities of the National Conference of Catholic Bishops, said McCain seemed to be adopting a mushy position to retain conservative support while simultaneously appealing to moderates. “To kind of walk a fence and not put your foot on either side of it, is not good,” she said.
Douglas Johnson, legislative director of the National Right to Life Committee, said the statements were “really a drastic flip-flop from those earlier pronouncements of his unsurpassed commitment to restore legal protection of unborn children.”
Presidential candidate Gary Bauer, former head of the conservative advocacy group Family Research Council, called McCain’s statements “unintelligible.” And Greg Mueller, a spokesman for Steve Forbes, lumped McCain with Dole and Bush, saying McCain’s statements “were the latest evidence that [they] have squishy opinions on abortion.”
When asked if McCain misspoke in the Chronicle and CNN interviews, aides yesterday said no. They said he was trying to explain that efforts to repeal Roe v. Wade would have to come in conjunction with efforts to reduce abortion through other means, including adoptions and counseling.
McCain released a statement on Sunday saying that he has always opposed Roe v. Wade and “as president, I would work toward its repeal.”
Cyndi Mosteller, a South Carolina antiabortion activist who serves as McCain’s national consultant on family and cultural issues, defended him. “I think the comments are somewhat confusing, and I think Senator McCain regrets them also,” she said. “I assess John McCain based on his 13 years taking votes in the Senate. I know that John McCain is antiabortion. I know that he is in favor of the reversal of Roe v. Wade.”
Kate Michelman, president of the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League, said she thinks McCain was trying to obfuscate his position to abortion rights supporters and independent female voters. “If this statement means he is moving in a thoughtful way toward a pro-choice policy and values position, that’s terrific,” she said. “But my guess is, this is more of a political posturing.”
PWConservative,
McCain’s website does NOT say that about abortion rights. Quite the contrary actually. Furthermore, being in favor of stem cell research has nothing to do with being prochoice and it is quite easy to favor stem cell and to be anti choice. Nancy Reagan might fit into this category.
On the other hand, I don’t really know why either of us are discussing this topic. Neither of us are supporting McCain. I suppose I am participating because I do not want anyone to think they are getting a pro choice candidate with McCain. They are not.
PW, did you have to vote absentee or will you make it back to VA?
just news 7:23 - It’s sad to think thant Juan Arujo, a LEGAL citizen who has lived here for 24 years, feels so afraid that wants to leave the country. Seems like the hunt is on.
Krutis, he married a criminal (an illegal alien). It is his choice to leave or not. He should send his wife back to Mexico and stay here. She should apply to come back LEGALLY.
Krustis, Arujo may have LIVED here for 24 years…but has he been a legal resident for that long? The time frame would put him here for the first amnesty. He is considering leaving because he is getting pressure from his wife and other family members who are NOT here legally. So, the question in my mind is…did he bring all these people here illegally, anticipating another massive amnesty, and is reconciled to the idea that it will not be forthcoming? If this is the case (and, although an assumption, is quite logical), I say good riddance!
I’m tired of these illegal alien sob stories. Does the MSM ever write about the destruction wreaked by the illegal aliens?
This morning on WMAL there was a Planned Parenthood ad criticizing McCain for being Pro-Life and having scoring zero on whatever depraved rating system it has. That alone is enough to make me vote for McCain in November.
Imagine that, being for life is somehow bad. If that doesn’t say something about the state of current day American I don’t know what does.
Oh well.
I’m sorry Mr Arujo, a legal citizen, who has lived here for 24 years has not managed to grasp the difference between abiding by the law and violating the law, Krutis. Why don’t you take the time to explain to him that unlike so many countries, ours if a country of laws…laws that apply to everyone, regardless of ancestry?
Fears such as those of Mr Arujo are perpetuated by those who can’t (or won’t) understand, support, and reinforce the difference between legal citizens and those who are here illegally. Shame on you.
monticup said on 12 Feb 2008 at 9:25 am:
I’m tired of these illegal alien sob stories. Does the MSM ever write about the destruction wreaked by the illegal aliens?
NO!! This is a real shame with so many media outlets these days. (IMHO)
That joker Gary Jacobsen has non-sense in the MJM today.
What a wast of ink and paper. Check this out.
http://www.manassasjm.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=MJM%2FMGArticle%2FWPN_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173354567114&path=!opinion
THE HUNT IS ON !!!
dolph
I never said mccain website said he was pro abortion, his statement on roe came from a newspaper and the stem cell support was based on his senate vote
And yes I made it back early this am I just voted for huckabee
Lafayette, I wonder how fast Jacobs would do an “about-face” if he
suddenly found that his neighborhood was turning into “Little Mexico”?
Obviously, he hasn’t yet encountered this problem, so it’s easy for him
to opine about what he refuses to call “Illegal Immigration”.
Gone Fishing,
He would do an “about-face” faster than a big fish could get away.
Maybe, Gary needs to go on a “field trip”. That’s just it no one accepts that illegals are problem until it lands on their door step, and then how the tune changes.
Have you been to the polls yet?
Nice to see you. Caught anything?
pwconservative: I did not mean to imply that you had said that he was pro abortion. His website is quite clear about his position on his feelings about abortion as it applies to the law.
I checked there before I responded to you. I knew in my mind, but I wanted to verify. By the way, I do not and have not ever known a person who was pro abortion….just people who were pro choice.
Glad you made it back from the north country. Did you run into bad weather?
Colgan voted for instate tuition for illegal aliens. SB652
Krutis said on 12 Feb 2008 at 8:45 am:
just news 7:23 - It’s sad to think thant Juan Arujo, a LEGAL citizen who has lived here for 24 years, feels so afraid that wants to leave the country. Seems like the hunt is on.
GOOR RIDDANCE TO Juan Arujo. Are you positive he is a citizen of the U.S.A. (has citizenship) or just a green card allowing him to remain here? He like most of those that come from south of the bordeer have no allegiance to this country and are here for economic reasons only. Do you notice in the newspaper articles that when a Latino is killed in a traffic accident or is murdered there is always a collection taken up to ship the body back “home.” This country is good enough to work in but not good enough to be buried in. If his wife is an illegal and he holds U.S. citizenship by decree, it should be removed for aiding and abetting an illegal alien and he should be immediately deported.