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What’s wrong with the media

By RHarrison | 15 February 2008 | Blogs | 77 Comments

Across the country, newspapers are losing readers by the bus load.  Just this week, both the LA Times and NY Times announced major lay-offs designed to stop their financial loses.  The Internet, 24 hour TV news stations, and public indifference to news are often blamed for the loss of readers, but I don’t think that’s the whole story.

Yesterday, the Washington Post ran a front-page story with the headline “Obama’s Economic Plan is a Pitch to the Working Poor.”  You would think the article would be about Sen. Obama’s plan.  It isn’t.

In fact, the Post does not actually tell us anything about what was in the speech itself until the twelfth paragraph of the article, which was no longer on the front page.  You had to go to the middle of the paper to learn what Sen. Obama actually said - in an article about what Sen. Obama said.

Instead of simply reporting, the entire article was analysis of why Sen. Obama gave the speech.  The article discussed the perception that Sen. Obama was all rhetoric and no details, that he lacked substance and that he had no idea what the “change” is he’s running on.  The article helpfully pointed out that Sen. Obama is not doing very well among poorer Democrats, and that the speech was an attempt to chip away at one of Sen. Clinton’s last bases of support.

Once you get to the twelfth paragraph, the Post still doesn’t tell us what Sen. Obama’s plans for the economy are, except in very vague and unhelpful terms.  The speech emphasized “the protection and promotion of working-class Americans.”  The speech included issues from “tax reform and private savings to bankruptcy, trade and investments in the nation’s infrastructure.” 

The only specific plan the Post mentions is Sen. Obama’s plan to create a $60 billion fund to fix deteriorating roads and bridges.   What about trade, taxes, savings, and bankruptcy?  The Post didn’t think those issues were important enough to report on.

Overall, the article was probably 90% politics and 10% policy.  But for people who are trying to decide how to vote, the politics of why Sen. Obama gave the speech are almost irrelevant.  What’s important is what he is promising to do. 

In an election, a newspaper’s job is to inform its readers so those readers can make an informed decision on Election Day.  The Post has tried to do that by giving front-page coverage to a major speech by a major candidate, and then not bothered to provide the information voters need to decide how to vote.  (For example, it might be nice for the Post to mention these policies)

 This problem is not unique to the Washington Post, nor does it result from political bias.  Reporters just get tired of reporting what was said.  Where’s the challenge in that?  So, they don’t.  Instead they like to focus on the horse-race, whose winning, what’s going on behind the scenes.  This is interesting, unless you are trying to decide who to vote for, in which case it is irrelevant.

If newspapers want to succeed, they need to stop analyzing the news and start reporting it.  If they don’t, more and more people will learn that you can get good analysis from blogs just as easily as you can from the Washington Post - and blogs are free.



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77 Comments

  1. jfk said on 15 Feb 2008 at 1:40 pm:
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    Get used to it. If Obama gets the nomination, he will become the second coming of JFK, while McCain will grow horns and a pointy tail.

  2. RHarrison said on 15 Feb 2008 at 2:21 pm:
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    jfk

    I don’t think this has anything to do with Obama. The biggest criticism of Obama right now is his lack of specifics. He’s hoping for change, but doesn’t know he’s hoping to change us into, nor how he would do it. I think a more substantive article describing Obama’s policies would have helped him more than another horse-race piece.

    This isn’t just liberal bias. It is institutional incompetence.

  3. 999 said on 15 Feb 2008 at 2:34 pm:
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    jfk said on 15 Feb 2008 at 1:40 pm:
    Get used to it. If Obama gets the nomination, he will become the second coming of JFK

    Just watch his mannerisms, movements and how he points his finger al la JFK.
    I noticed this many many months ago while watching the Senate and it’s “Comprehensive Immigration Bill” debates. He has all the moves down pat. Barak Obama, you are no JFK!

  4. Anon said on 15 Feb 2008 at 2:49 pm:
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    I cancelled my weekly subscription to WaPo 6-months ago because of their biased coverge on many issues.

    I still get the Sunday because I like the coupons and comics.

  5. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 15 Feb 2008 at 3:52 pm:
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    Obama wants a path to citizenship. Hillary wants amnesty. McCain was an amnesty supporter and has an amnesty supporter on his staff. The media is liberal and biased.

  6. Batson D. Belfrey said on 15 Feb 2008 at 3:52 pm:
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    “In fact, the Post does not actually tell us anything about what was in the speech itself until the twelfth paragraph of the article, which was no longer on the front page. You had to go to the middle of the paper to learn what Sen. Obama actually said - in an article about what Sen. Obama said.”

    Sounds like the article has about as much substance as Obama’s positions. Of course he’s pitching his plans to the “working poor”. These under-educated people (and those who want to control them) are the only ones who know that Obama talks about NOTHING, but he does it very well.

  7. Bushwick Bill said on 15 Feb 2008 at 3:55 pm:
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    RH-
    While I agree with your sentiments, no-one is going to buy a newspaper to read the fine points of a policy that will be modified or destroyed by the legislative process anyway. Too boring!

    On the other hand, JFK and 999 are absolutely correct about the media’s overall treatment of Obama. I have never seen anything like it, and while I shed no tears for the fall of the Clintons, I worry about McCain’s chances in the Fall. How do you run a campaign against Jesus/the Messiah/the hidden imam/mother earth? (Did I leave any major monotheistic religions out?)

  8. redawn said on 15 Feb 2008 at 4:11 pm:
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    Dan Rather reveals how the Corporation controls the Media

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW0gGy_95Qw

    (yup, I pulled a Britney, did it again! Said my last post was my last post)

  9. Dolph said on 15 Feb 2008 at 4:26 pm:
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    Bushwick Bill,

    The sacred cow?

  10. Turn PW Blue said on 15 Feb 2008 at 4:49 pm:
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    I think some of you may have missed RHarrison’s point. Maybe part of the reason Obama is seen as long on rhetoric, short on substance is precisely because of media portrayals like this. Here is presents a speech where he starts putting some specifics out there and the “news” is not the content of the speech but a rehashing of analysis. Romney’s coverage was similar. How often did the articles about Romney and his policies go into the whole Mormon connection rather than simply reporting on the issues at hand? As RHarrison said in the comment at 2:21, this type of article actually feeds into the perception that Obama has little substance behind the flash. A more in-depth article on the policy positions he outlined would have helped Obama far more than this article does.

    I think Bushwick Bill, however, underestimates the electorate. There are plenty out there who want to know the meat of the matter and would wade through an article that actually does that kind of reporting.

  11. Anne said on 15 Feb 2008 at 5:43 pm:
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    I rarely read the Post or any other newspaper, except for the sports page. Reporters rarely get the story correct, overuse (and improperly, too, I might add) the word “ironic,” and generally are just not that bright. Why would I waste my valuable Metro ridin’ time reading their attempts at poetic dribble, when I could be reading a fine work of literature or quietly grooving to iTunes?

    Hey, I get my news from The Onion. It’s “American’s finest news source,” if you haven’t heard!

    And if Senator Obama has a cogent plan of any sort about anything, well, then, that would be news to me. It sounds like the Post did what it often does: padded around a non-story.

  12. CONVA said on 15 Feb 2008 at 5:52 pm:
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    WE quit the Post when the bird died.

  13. Krutis said on 15 Feb 2008 at 6:15 pm:
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    Sure can tell that some of you don’t read. Period! Someone a while back stated that he gets his news from, yes - he said it, GREG!

    Sunday Post for the comics! Like WOW! The Magazine has a pretty good crossword puzzle. The Book Section is decent. Travel section stinks. Sports section every day has the world’s most inane “writer” in Korny Tornheiser or is it Tony Kornheiser.

    Someone said they can’t stay awake during Jim Lehrer’s news hour. Well, if you want the learn about a subject in depth, that’s where you’ll get it, but it’s B^O^R^I^N^G. So would a newspaper article with to many facts also be. Anyway, that’s the way I see it.

  14. Squeaky said on 15 Feb 2008 at 6:26 pm:
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    The one-line versions of news outlets available now are phenominal
    so we arent just limited to home deliveries. I do not read the
    comics, sports, or ads, just news. I only receive the Washington
    Times at home and if I want to read the bullcrap in the Washington
    (Com)Post, oneline is free. With Drudge, Breitbart, etc available,
    anything you want is only a few clicks away.

  15. es_la_ley said on 15 Feb 2008 at 7:05 pm:
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    CONVA said on 15 Feb 2008 at 5:52 pm:

    “WE quit the Post when the bird died.”

    ?

    Anyway… We get only the Sunday Pest here. All but the Prince William section and Metro goes immediately to the fire bin. THE PWC and metro sections usually follow very quickly, after a chortle and/or a few choice curse words. Into the fire bin (’tis what we use to start fires in the woodstove, grill and smoker) :)

    Oh! I do like the Parade magazine, mostly for the “Ask Marilyn” column. :)

  16. Big Dog said on 15 Feb 2008 at 8:40 pm:
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    The most healthy papers are local ones like the
    Manassas Journal Messenger - especially when they
    focus on local news - they almost grow by default
    because nobody else competes at this level. Yes, the
    MJM isn’t a journalistic star, but it is what we have
    in Manassas. (Odd the WaPo has an office in Old Town
    but weeks go by without local stories — even in the
    bi-weekly Prince William section. And the Times
    doesn’t even bother.)

    “Healthy” from an economic point - circulation,ads
    and profits are up - certainly don’t imply quality.
    Some decent folks work there, but corporate is
    only interested in the bottom line. MJM killed
    a popular Sunday biz section because it cost a
    couple of extra dollars.

    FYI -write your own obit if you want it right.

  17. Bridget said on 16 Feb 2008 at 8:22 am:
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    http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/007479.html

    http://www.vdare.com/guzzardi/080111_yori.htm

  18. Freedom said on 16 Feb 2008 at 10:54 am:
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    Turn PW Blue said, in reference to Obama’s “plans”: “…There are plenty out there who want to know the meat of the matter and would wade through an article that actually does that kind of reporting.”

    That’s the problem, Obama’s base…those who want what you and I have…don’t care about about his policies and wouldn’t “wade through anything to find out,” they’re just concerned about what he’s going to do for them.

  19. Obama is the man said on 16 Feb 2008 at 11:39 am:
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    President Obama. Its got a nice ring to it. You all can bitch all you want but you better get ready for the first black president because it it in the bag! And Krutis I think you are great but I love Tony Kornheiser.

  20. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 16 Feb 2008 at 12:27 pm:
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    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=AF8E3199-D40F-4187-A5BC-13BAC1521097
    For all of you liberals that think multi-culturalism actually works…think again once you read this article.

  21. Leila in the PRA said on 16 Feb 2008 at 12:32 pm:
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    I’m impressed by Anne. She says she rarely reads any newspaper except the sports section and says “reporters rarely get the story correct.”
    For the above to be even remotely true, Anne would have to know what is correct on every story reported. I congratulate her for understanding every news event happening in the world, our nation, the local area, etc. so thoroughly as to know that reporters rarely have done a good job.

  22. Gone Fishing said on 16 Feb 2008 at 12:32 pm:
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    Obama is the man,
    I hate to rain on your parade, but mark my words, if Obama ends up in
    the WH, we will be looking at the ruination of America (what’s left behind
    from the illegal invasion).

  23. Obama is the man said on 16 Feb 2008 at 12:40 pm:
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    What’s left behind by the illegals or by your boy Bush? Keep fishing.

  24. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 16 Feb 2008 at 12:47 pm:
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    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=C3495FCE-AFD4-4109-BE03-A64BDF92EDE3
    “The School of Extreme Hatred”. Wow…this is in our own backyard!

  25. Johnson said on 16 Feb 2008 at 1:03 pm:
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    Hate to say it, but we all need to take a hard look at our society and make some difficult decisions. Do we withdraw into our own borders and protect our sovereignty and culture, or do we let the rest of the world take advantage of the freedoms that we provide and overtake us from within? It’s already happened in Canada and the U.K. Wake up, America!

  26. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 16 Feb 2008 at 1:08 pm:
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    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=AF8E3199-D40F-4187-A5BC-13BAC1521097
    This article that I posted earlier talks about what Johnson says. Please read.

  27. Gone Fishing said on 16 Feb 2008 at 2:08 pm:
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    Obama, guess again…I did not vote for the son, nor did I vote for his
    father!

  28. Gone Fishing said on 16 Feb 2008 at 2:51 pm:
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    Obama, suggest you read the article provided above by The Patriot.
    This will give you a bird’s-eye view of what is coming to America.
    Obama is Muslim and his bible is the Qur’an.

    Patriot, thank you for sharing this article. We all need to heed all
    the warnings.

  29. EnoughAlready said on 16 Feb 2008 at 3:25 pm:
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    Gone Fishing. Can you offer one piece of evidence that Obama is a Muslim? The man has said he is a Christian, he has professed and practiced that faith. Regardless of who his father was or what his father’s community might think of him, he has claimed Christianity, the religion of his mother.

    What is, however, fairly obvious is that you are not a Christian. If you were, you wouldn’t be suggesting that a person cannot embrace the faith. That is a core tenet of Christianity. By your logic, anyone born into a Jewish family could also never be a Christian. Or do you just not know what Jews think of their own apostates?

    If there you have some evidence beyond the man’s name and paternity that he is a Muslim, offer it. Otherwise, you need to act as a Christian might (if you were one) and accept a brother.

  30. Krutis said on 16 Feb 2008 at 4:16 pm:
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    EnoughAlready @3:25 - Don’t you know that one does not have to show evidence on this blog? A statement, is a statement, is a statement. Say it often enough, and it becomes SO.

  31. Gone Fishing said on 16 Feb 2008 at 4:17 pm:
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    Enough, I have stated on previous threads that Obama is my brother,
    have I not? He is also a politician and will tell you anything to get your
    vote, which obviously, you have bought into. I don’t recall using the
    term “Christian” in my comments. It just so happens that I personally
    do not wish to have a Muslim as POTUS. I know enough about the
    teachings of the Qur’an to have formed my opinion. It matters not at all
    that you question my Christianity, for I know who I am and am quite
    comfortable in my own skin.

  32. Krutis said on 16 Feb 2008 at 4:26 pm:
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    It is now established that Barack Obama is a Muslin. It has been said so by Gone Fishing. Consequently, it is SO!

  33. Krutis said on 16 Feb 2008 at 4:35 pm:
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    “MusliM”

  34. EnoughAlready said on 16 Feb 2008 at 4:40 pm:
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    Gone Fishing, once again. You haven’t offered one single bit of evidence that Obama is a Muslim. You just state it.

  35. es_la_ley said on 16 Feb 2008 at 5:59 pm:
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    Kritis: “It is now established that Barack Obama is a Muslin.”

    Ha! That’s rich!

  36. es_la_ley said on 16 Feb 2008 at 6:06 pm:
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    Obama is the man said: “President Obama. Its got a nice ring to it. You all can bitch all you want but you better get ready for the first black president because it it in the bag!”

    Him being black doesn’t bother me one iota. Him being a leftist twit does.

  37. Krutis said on 16 Feb 2008 at 6:30 pm:
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    es-la-ley @5:59 pm - Krutis didn’t say that. Gone Fishing has established that Obama is a Muslim. He doesn’t want a Muslim as POTUS, he said. I don’t believe he’s a Muslim. I just wish that religion wouldn’t be so important in politics.

  38. Anonymous said on 16 Feb 2008 at 6:33 pm:
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    Obama is the man said on 16 Feb 2008 at 11:39 am:
    President Obama. Its got a nice ring to it. You all can bitch all you want but you better get ready for the first black president because it it in the bag! And Krutis I think you are great but I love Tony Kornheiser.

    Obama, Krutis and Tony Kornheiser….it’s got a nice ring to it. No wonder! You’ve been standing in the belfry too long!

  39. Krutis said on 16 Feb 2008 at 6:41 pm:
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    Anonymous @6:33 pm OH, MY GOOOOOD!

  40. Dolph said on 16 Feb 2008 at 8:25 pm:
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    I think Tony Kornheiser is hilarious. He once described Barny (the purple dinosaur) as a newt with dentures. No one who says that can be all bad.

  41. es_la_ley said on 16 Feb 2008 at 10:16 pm:
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    Krutis : “es-la-ley @5:59 pm - Krutis didn’t say that. Gone Fishing has established that Obama is a Muslim.”

    :) My “that’s rich!” comment was about your ‘musliN” malaprop. No big deal though. :-)

  42. Anonymous said on 16 Feb 2008 at 10:25 pm:
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    Just a passing thought folks…

    There’s over 350 MILLION people in this country, and the ‘best’ we can come up with as candidates for POTUS is Hillary, Hussein Obama and McCain?

  43. zeezil said on 17 Feb 2008 at 11:43 am:
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    The MSM, drive-bys, dinosaur media…whatever descriptive term one wishes to use, is on a mission to shape public opinion rather than reporting the news. Allmost invaribly, the drive-bys will shape the news around their liberal mindset and inject a bit of socialism (big government, tax and spend for the collectivist good) whenever they see the opportunity. Fortunately, an educated, well rounded chap who peels back layers of propaganda when looking at an issue can see this. It’s the “news byte” people who think the opinions of editorial boards, op-ed columnists, newspapers and big media conglomerates are important are who we should be concerned about.

  44. Krutis said on 17 Feb 2008 at 11:49 am:
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    Anonymous @ 10:25 pm - FYI The name is BARACK Obama!
    Think you’re a comedian? Not funny at all.

  45. Sara Sota said on 17 Feb 2008 at 11:52 am:
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    I am almost finished reading Obama’s book, Dreams From My Father, written in 1995 after he was elected as the first African American president of the Harvard Law Review. It is a fascinating and honest memoir of a young man figuring out who he is and what it means to be a black man in America. His diverse background and experiences make him different from any other candidate for president we have ever had. While I don’t know if he has enough experience to be President, I am convinced that he is thoughtful, intelligent, and will truly be an agent for change.

    His grandfather was muslim and he spent several years in Indonesia as a child when his mother was married to an Indonesian, but he is not muslim. In fact he movingly describes his experiences with the black churches in Chicago, and why shouldn’t he be influenced by those churches? That is who he is. I see no problem with his diverse background…that is America.

    As a white person, I was most interested in his description of being black in America. It is something I can never experience myself…..

    Can he be a successful president? I don’t know…but he is good for our country.

  46. 999 said on 17 Feb 2008 at 1:15 pm:
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    Krutis said on 17 Feb 2008 at 11:49 am:
    Anonymous @ 10:25 pm - FYI The name is BARACK Obama!
    Think you’re a comedian? Not funny at all.

    His full name is Barack Hussein Obama.

  47. Anonymous said on 17 Feb 2008 at 1:21 pm:
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    Sara Sota said on 17 Feb 2008 at 11:52 am:
    It is a fascinating and honest memoir of a young man figuring out who he is and what it means to be a black man in America.

    Wasn’t Obama’s mother white? Just curious if that is true, why he does not consider himself of mixed-race?

  48. Bridget said on 17 Feb 2008 at 1:36 pm:
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    http://michellemalkin.com/2008/02/16/barack-obama-soul-fixer/

    http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=91

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1971667/posts

  49. Anonymous said on 17 Feb 2008 at 2:09 pm:
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    I get the Washington Times.

    It is a great conservative paper that even some academic liberals like because it presents both sides in its editorial section.

  50. Gone Fishing said on 17 Feb 2008 at 4:33 pm:
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    Sara Sota @ 11:52,
    As a black American (notice, I did not say African-American), I can tell
    you that I have experienced what it’s like, growing up in this great country.
    It was never necessary to try and figure out who I am, for I have always
    known that if I worked hard, kept my nose clean and obtained a good
    education, nothing would keep me from achieving my dreams.
    Of course, I agree that Obama is thoughtful, intelligent, sensitive, etc. etc.
    and is a very fine man. Make no mistake; however, he did indeed study
    in muslim operated schools. My knowledge of the Qur’an and the muslim
    community in general and the fact that my country has twice been attacked
    by muslims is what drives me to reject anything remotely connected to
    the Muslim world.
    I respect your opinion and comments regarding Obama but do not agree
    with you, not one iota when it comes to having him in the WH.

  51. Krutis said on 17 Feb 2008 at 5:44 pm:
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    Anonymous @ 1:21 pm - Don’t you know that if there’s a drop of “black blood” in somebody’s system, he/she is BLACK? 50% doesn’t count.

    As for Obama attending a Muslim school in Indonesia. How old was he at that time? I wouldn’t call it “study” at that tender age. Heck, I went to Sunday school at the Salvation Army for a couple of years, but I’m no Salvation Army soldier.

    Lay off the snide “he’s a Muslim” attacks!

  52. Obama is the man said on 17 Feb 2008 at 5:44 pm:
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    Your fishing again. Who cares if he studied in Muslim schools? When I was in Catholic School we went to the Jewish Community Center to study Judaism. Does that mean I am going to kill Christ when He comes back? You have “knowledge of the Qur’an”. I guess that you want to blow up buildings.

  53. Sara Sota said on 17 Feb 2008 at 6:05 pm:
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    Anonymous said on 17 Feb 2008 at 1:21 pm:

    Wasn’t Obama’s mother white? Just curious if that is true, why he does not consider himself of mixed-race?

    Answer:
    Yes, his mother is white and he was mostly raised by his white grandparents in Hawaii. His mother sent him back there from Indonesia when he was about 12 to get a better education. It wasn’t until he entered a private school in Hawaii at that age that he experienced a feeling of being an outsider, as one of the only blacks in that school. He considers himself biracial, but when you appear to be a black male, that is what people see first, and make assumptions about you. And since he didn’t grow up in a black community, he spent his young adult years getting to know that part of his identity.

    Gone Fishing: Of course I respect your views because you speak from a knowing perspective. Like I said, I have no idea if he has what it takes to be president (I actually voted for Hillary in the primary), but I think Dreams from My Father should be mandatory reading for all white people who want to understand not only where Obama comes from, but for an inside perspective on one black man’s journey….long before he thought of running for President. The title of his newer book, The Audacity of Hope, was inspired by a black preacher’s sermon in Chicago before he started law school, and I’ll probably read it next. I want to know where he got the idea to run for President at this stage in his life.

    I obviously consider myself a liberal, but I still have learned so much from this book.

  54. Sara Sota said on 17 Feb 2008 at 6:17 pm:
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    About studying in a madrassa in Indonesia…he was in Hawaii before he went to Indonesia, and was only overseas for about 2 years. He did not take his muslim studies seriously, and continued to be tutored by his mother while there. I really think that whole Koran angle is grossly exaggerated.

  55. Gone Fishing said on 17 Feb 2008 at 6:56 pm:
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    SS, have you bothered to read the Qur’an? You seem to be very well
    versed on the life of Obama and I am deeply impressed, for there are
    many, many of us who are still wondering about this man who keeps
    chanting his mantra of “Change”. Change can go both ways, for the
    better or the worse, and I can’t help but worry that the change he will
    bring will do this country more harm than good.
    Surprised to see that you voted for Clinton! I am not a liberal, but
    voted for her based on her experience and the fact that my life was a
    lot better when the Clintons were in the WH. McCain scares me, and
    so does Obama.

  56. Lafayette said on 17 Feb 2008 at 7:35 pm:
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    *off topic*
    Gone Fishing,
    I’ve a got a good one for you. I can go into on here. Contact Dolph to get a hold of me. Have you heard anything new? We usually have similar scoops. This one is just petty stuff. Although, it made me laugh and sick at the same time.
    Go figure!

  57. Anonymous said on 17 Feb 2008 at 10:25 pm:
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    Sara Sota said on 17 Feb 2008 at 6:05 pm:
    Anonymous said on 17 Feb 2008 at 1:21 pm:

    Wasn’t Obama’s mother white? Just curious if that is true, why he does not consider himself of mixed-race?

    Thank you for the response. It was informative.

  58. 10 feet tall and Bulletproof said on 17 Feb 2008 at 11:14 pm:
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    Back ontopic… you don’t think that a reporter would purposely “tilt” a story??

    http://hoodathunk.wordpress.com/2008/02/16/moot-motion-at-lcrc-meeting-obscures-meetings-entire-purpose/

    I was at the meeting, as was the author. The motion was offered, and squashed inside of a minute. The reporter who wrote about it proceeded to offer OPINION about the meaning…

    It was NOT an opinion piece. It was presented as news.

  59. zeezil said on 18 Feb 2008 at 1:05 am:
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    How did this Obama love fest break out? Are you the people that palpitate and faint at his rallys? Sure, Obama is great if your into the most liberal rated Senator in Congress and embrace big government, tax and spend, redistribution of wealth for the collectivist good, amnesty for invaders, and socialism. Yep, gotta love his Global Poverty Act too, which would legislatively commit a portion of our GNP to foreign aid. Obviously Obama feels, eventhough the U.S. is by far the most benevolent and generous nation on the planet with foreign aid, we should be doing even more.

  60. Hmmm.... said on 18 Feb 2008 at 8:08 am:
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    Wow. After reading this thread, it has become really clear that along with not reading any papers, many here spend their time in a box cut off from the real world.

    Obama a Miuslim? Actually, as has been debated on this very blog, Obama is a member of a Christian church in Chicago that is proud of its black and African roots. It was the subject of much scorn and derision by some many here, Gone Fishing. He not a Muslim (though I wonder where in the Constitution there is anything that says being a Muslim would make you ineligible to be the President of the Unite States).

    Obama’s mother was white. She was born in Kansas. Obama himself was born in Hawaii. His father was an African man from Kenya. The two met at the University of Hawaii.

    Yes, his middle name is Hussien. I once worked with someone named Paul Newman. Does that mean I worked with Cool Hand Luke? No, it just means a shared named (and lots of grief for the poor guy who got needled about it all the time). How you can even begin to infer anything about someone by something in their name is laughable. Is everyone out there named Adolf bent on the mass extermination of the Jews?

  61. Obama is the man said on 18 Feb 2008 at 8:26 am:
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    Hmmm… is pretty damn smart and level headed

  62. Gone Fishing said on 18 Feb 2008 at 8:43 am:
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    hmmmm
    Your logic is somewhat flawed. So? Obama is not, as you say, Muslim.
    I have read much about this subject and it seems to me it’s an on-going
    debate, therefore, let me say this: Granted, there is nothing in our
    Constitution which would deny a Muslim from becoming president but I
    believe that, had our Founding Fathers been aware that the Muslim nation
    would some day be hell-bent on destroying this great country with all it’s
    “Infidels”, they perhaps would have addressed the subject.
    As far as I am concerned, since it has been established by some very astute
    scholars on this blog that Mr Obama is NOT of the Muslim faith (and does
    not worship Allah), the subject is no longer moot (as far as I am concerned).

  63. Gone Fishing said on 18 Feb 2008 at 8:50 am:
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    Lafayette,
    Help! I have no idea how to get in touch with Ms Dolph, but before you
    let me in on it, I hope you will run it by her first. Perhaps she doesn’t
    wish for her information to be out there.
    Great day for fishing!

  64. Lafayette said on 18 Feb 2008 at 9:05 am:
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    Gone Fishing,
    Yes, sir it is. I sure wish we could still fish Lake Manassas. Grr.
    Ms. Dolph puts her email up here from time to time. She’s willing to put that up for some. We’ve discussed this in the past. She will be fine with this. I will let her know to check that email address. Thanks.
    dolphin_moon@excite.com

  65. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 18 Feb 2008 at 9:14 am:
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    I think many of you liberals are missing the whole point. Why don’t you read the article I posted (the interview was with a former muslim with firsthand knowledge) about the vision of Islam. Here it is again: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=AF8E3199-D40F-4187-A5BC-13BAC1521097
    If this does not open your eyes…I don’t know what will. Additionally, if you compare this article to what has happened in history it all makes sense. So break out your history books people and compare what happened then to what is happening now in Europe (especially in the UK) and what is starting to happen here. We need to learn from history.

  66. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 18 Feb 2008 at 9:16 am:
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    It all starts with footbaths in airports, then separate prayer rooms, then foods being removed from public schools, then…???

  67. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 18 Feb 2008 at 9:46 am:
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    http://europenews.dk/en/node/6517
    Here are some quotes from the article:
    “The New York Post in 2002 ran an article by Daniel Pipes and Lars Hedegaard, in which they forecasted accurately that the growing immigrant problem in Denmark would explode. In the article they reported:

    · “Over time, as Muslim immigrants increase in numbers, they wish less to mix with the indigenous population. A recent survey finds that only 5 percent of young Muslim immigrants would readily marry a Dane.”

    · “Muslim leaders openly declare their goal of introducing Islamic law once Denmark’s Muslim population grows large enough - a not-that-remote prospect. If present trends persist, one sociologist estimates, every third inhabitant of Denmark in 40 years will be Muslim.”

  68. Dolph said on 18 Feb 2008 at 9:47 am:
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    Gone Fishing,

    Yes, it is perfectly ok to contact us using that web-based email. Just let me know to check it. We left it for you before.

    Dolph

    ps I don’t believe Obama is a muslim. I think the school he went to was harmless and contained very little religious instruction. I saw an expose of it on tv a while back. And I do understand your concern. My mother never forgave the Japanese for Pearl Harbor.

  69. Krutis said on 18 Feb 2008 at 10:18 am:
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    Dolph - And my husband and his contemporaries had a hard time liking Germans! Individuals were OK, but as a group…

  70. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 18 Feb 2008 at 11:04 am:
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    But there is a school in our state that teaches controversial subject matter. Here it is again: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=C3495FCE-AFD4-4109-BE03-A64BDF92EDE3
    Seriously, people need to read this stuff and look at history and current events.

  71. Vigilant1 said on 18 Feb 2008 at 12:22 pm:
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    The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 18 Feb 2008 at 9:46 am:
    http://europenews.dk/en/node/6517
    Here are some quotes from the article:

    Good article. It is happening all over Europe. A similar scenario is happening
    in this country. Read Pat Buchannan’s “STATE OF EMERGENCY: THE THIRD WORLD INVASION AND CONQUEST OF AMERICA.”

  72. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 18 Feb 2008 at 1:21 pm:
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    Vigilant…yes I agree. People need to look at history. They also need to look at current events and compare the two. We all took history classes so that we can do this comparison so as not to repeat mistakes from the past. When you read credible sources (particularly people from the “inside” with firsthand knowledge) you have to take that seriously. Look, it would be great if “all humans could get along”. Reality, however, is quite the opposite…due to greed/power/corruption, etc. Now, compare the article I provided earlier at 9:14 with the Denmark article…you will see the unfolding of what what described in the 9:14 article. Also, look at what is happening in the UK…again…events are unfolding as described in the article I provided. Look at the “demands” being made in our own country now…again…the unfolding of events described in the 9:14 article.

  73. Lafayette said on 18 Feb 2008 at 5:24 pm:
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    Gone Fishing,*off topic*
    Ms. Dolph left this on another thread for you.
    Dolph said on 18 Feb 2008 at 4:33 pm:
    Gone Fishing (and I am assuming that is where you are this fine day).
    That email address is not working right. Use another one please:

    covenchix@yayhoo.com

    Thanks,
    Dolph

  74. Slippery Slope said on 18 Feb 2008 at 7:04 pm:
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    consider this equation:

    political correctness = passive aggresive

  75. Dolph said on 18 Feb 2008 at 7:19 pm:
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    Lafayette,

    But I had a typo in it and had to correct:

    Covenchix@yahoo.com

    The excite address is doing something weird.

  76. Michael said on 20 Feb 2008 at 10:33 pm:
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    The Patriot’s posts are ones to be heeded. In game theory, cooperation and success only works when both sides have a willingness to find a win-win solution. When one side cheats, is un-compromising and unable to play equitably and fairly, the winner in the game is always the side that cheats, refuses to compromise, and refuses to adopt a win-win strategy. When one member of the game adopts a win at all cost, lose nothing strategy, they dominate and get their way. Any religious culture that refuses to accept all other religions peacefully, will be incompatable with peace, fairness, compassion, love and respect for humans and ultimately God. That culture will either win or die, following its man-made doctine of hatred and will never compromise to live in a neutral peaceful position.

    Sharia law issues are showing the world why political correctness regarding religious groups will always lead to conflict and war, unless a different form of religion evolves and matures from the form that advocates conflict and oppression to one that advocates, peace and love. All religions that advocate peace and love for humans (the liberators), will always overcome and survive the “obligation keepers” or haters of man, until they are either converted or killed in social and legal battles for world peace. Hatred and oppression is written into many religions of the world as principal doctrine. How can hatred, malice, killing and human oppression possibly be God’s doctrine?

  77. 10 feet tall and Bulletproof said on 21 Feb 2008 at 5:56 pm:
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    Interestingly, Obama’s momma’s momma’s husband even owned slaves. :)
    At any rate, Obama and Romney’s great grandfathers BOTH had five wives.
    It’s kinda like that whole “Kennedy’s secretary was named Lincoln” thing.

    Have a nice day.

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