Comments on: The King’s Clothes Vanish http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/ Blog-Fu for Prince William, Manassas and Manassas Park politics. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:38:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: Dave Core http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55373 Dave Core Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:10:49 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55373 I'm sure some you saw the cartoon in a recent issue of MJM that showed Sen. Colgan behind a podium while tomatoes are thrown at him. I can understand the need for some decorum in the highest legislative body of the Commonwealth, but being upset that opposition Senators actually oppose you is mind-boggling if not disturbing. Remember during most of the recent history of the Commonwealth, budgets have ballooned out of control at rates of 10%, 15% or higher a year, regardless of the Party of the governor. That's a disgrace. And it's a disgrace that there was no opposition to budgets on the Senate Budget Committee up until now. It could very well be that when the "Republican" Chichester was the Chairman, pork was passed around to all committee members' districts like candy during a Manassas Christmas Parade. I expect opposition, I expect fighting in a gentlemanly way on the most important issue facing this state - the budget. Glad they finally took a stand against a new, excessive, unnecessary government program -- universal pre-K. Get used to the opposition, Senator Colgan! It makes for a finer political process. I’m sure some you saw the cartoon in a recent issue of MJM that showed Sen. Colgan behind a podium while tomatoes are thrown at him. I can understand the need for some decorum in the highest legislative body of the Commonwealth, but being upset that opposition Senators actually oppose you is mind-boggling if not disturbing. Remember during most of the recent history of the Commonwealth, budgets have ballooned out of control at rates of 10%, 15% or higher a year, regardless of the Party of the governor. That’s a disgrace. And it’s a disgrace that there was no opposition to budgets on the Senate Budget Committee up until now. It could very well be that when the “Republican” Chichester was the Chairman, pork was passed around to all committee members’ districts like candy during a Manassas Christmas Parade. I expect opposition, I expect fighting in a gentlemanly way on the most important issue facing this state - the budget. Glad they finally took a stand against a new, excessive, unnecessary government program — universal pre-K. Get used to the opposition, Senator Colgan! It makes for a finer political process.

]]> By: Dolph http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55226 Dolph Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:23:07 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55226 Thank you Anonymous. That was neat. Thank you Anonymous. That was neat.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55192 Anonymous Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:44:31 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55192 Dolph, Off topic but this one's for you. http://www.flixxy.com/dolphin-quest.htm Dolph,
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]]> By: jfk http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55184 jfk Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:07:29 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55184 Hey, forget about the lying. Just look at all these great new roads Colgan gave us. It doesn't matter that they are all congested with illegal aliens in white vans, sporting 50 ladders on the top. Just move on! He's a gentleman. Move on you sore losers (sarcasm button broken). Hey, forget about the lying. Just look at all these great new roads Colgan gave us. It doesn’t matter that they are all congested with illegal aliens in white vans, sporting 50 ladders on the top.

Just move on! He’s a gentleman. Move on you sore losers (sarcasm button broken).

]]> By: Vigilant1 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55158 Vigilant1 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:55:53 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55158 Run down on Colgan's budget fight and his pre-election promises. http://swacgirl.blogspot.com/2008/02/sen-ken-cuccinelli-calls-dems-on-their.html Run down on Colgan’s budget fight and his pre-election promises.

http://swacgirl.blogspot.com/2008/02/sen-ken-cuccinelli-calls-dems-on-their.html

]]> By: Vigilant1 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55148 Vigilant1 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:27:57 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55148 Pat.Herve said on 20 Feb 2008 at 7:11 am: we all want more money for roads, are you willing to pay a penny a gallon, if the money goes to roads? A penny a gallon more for gas is not going to break my bank. Increased taxes for State mandated babysitting for 4 year olds will! Pat.Herve said on 20 Feb 2008 at 7:11 am:
we all want more money for roads, are you willing to pay a penny a gallon, if the money goes to roads?

A penny a gallon more for gas is not going to break my bank. Increased taxes for State mandated babysitting for 4 year olds will!

]]> By: Vigilant1 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55147 Vigilant1 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:23:13 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55147 Lafayette said on 20 Feb 2008 at 8:02 am: corr: I HAVE decent size stack of campaign material saying that very samething. I hate to say it but it sure seems like lieing to me. Remember the old saying.... YOU CAN TRUST A THIEF, BUT NOT A LIAR! Lafayette said on 20 Feb 2008 at 8:02 am:
corr: I HAVE decent size stack of campaign material saying that very samething. I hate to say it but it sure seems like lieing to me.

Remember the old saying…. YOU CAN TRUST A THIEF, BUT NOT A LIAR!

]]> By: Dolph http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55136 Dolph Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:55:40 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55136 I would suggest not voting for him again if you are not pleased. (sarcasm button on) Mr. Fitzsimmonds really means he would like to have been elected. He wasn't. Time to move on. I would suggest not voting for him again if you are not pleased. (sarcasm button on)

Mr. Fitzsimmonds really means he would like to have been elected. He wasn’t. Time to move on.

]]> By: Lafayette http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55116 Lafayette Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:02:39 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55116 corr: I HAVE decent size stack of campaign material saying that very samething. I hate to say it but it sure seems like lieing to me. corr: I HAVE decent size stack of campaign material saying that very samething. I hate to say it but it sure seems like lieing to me.

]]> By: Lafayette http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55115 Lafayette Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:01:55 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55115 Mr. Anon said on 20 Feb 2008 at 7:45 am: I would say that making a campaign promise, putting it in writing on your website, and then doing the very thing you promised not to do constitutes lying. Even politicians have some issues that are not negotiable. I decent size stack of campaign material saying that very samething. I hate to say it but it sure seems like lieing to me. I did see this letter to the editor regarding Chuck. I will be contacting my Senator. Thanks Bob! http://www.manassasjm.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Common%2FMGArticle%2FPrintVersion&c=MGArticle&cid=1173354667085&image=mjm80x60.gif&oasDN=manassasjm.com&oasPN=%21opinion Mr. Anon said on 20 Feb 2008 at 7:45 am:
I would say that making a campaign promise, putting it in writing on your website, and then doing the very thing you promised not to do constitutes lying. Even politicians have some issues that are not negotiable.

I decent size stack of campaign material saying that very samething. I hate to say it but it sure seems like lieing to me.

I did see this letter to the editor regarding Chuck. I will be contacting my Senator. Thanks Bob!
http://www.manassasjm.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Common%2FMGArticle%2FPrintVersion&c=MGArticle&cid=1173354667085&image=mjm80×60.gif&oasDN=manassasjm.com&oasPN=%21opinion

]]> By: Mr. Anon http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55111 Mr. Anon Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:45:28 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55111 I guess Clinton may have blurred the distinction between the truth and lying for some people, particularly those who voted for him and have to justify that decision. Colgan sycophants also seem to suffer from this malaise. I would say that making a campaign promise, putting it in writing on your website, and then doing the very thing you promised not to do constitutes lying. Even politicians have some issues that are not negotiable. Being a lady is also a concept that many people today don't understand. The posts on this website certainly illustrate that sad fact. I guess Clinton may have blurred the distinction between the truth and lying for some people, particularly those who voted for him and have to justify that decision. Colgan sycophants also seem to suffer from this malaise.

I would say that making a campaign promise, putting it in writing on your website, and then doing the very thing you promised not to do constitutes lying. Even politicians have some issues that are not negotiable.

Being a lady is also a concept that many people today don’t understand. The posts on this website certainly illustrate that sad fact.

]]> By: Pat.Herve http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55107 Pat.Herve Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:11:31 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55107 A friend of mine always reminds me that the Democrats do nothing but Tax and Spend, he then reminds me that the Republicans just Spend. There was an outcry to remove the abusive drivers fees - I think they should have just corrected the law to include out of state drivers - now, I do not know all the infractions that were considered abusive, but someone going 45 in a 25, well, they are abusive - and many of us only learn if we have to pay. How to replace the money that we were counting on in the budget....cut other areas? Raise the gas tax - we all want more money for roads, are you willing to pay a penny a gallon, if the money goes to roads? Should we increase the tobacco tax? How much money in healthcare does the state subsidize that is related to first and second hand smoke? It is a filthy dirty habit, that harms out health - why not discourage it. How about in our county - how are we funding the illegal immigrant movement - we are stealing from our rainy day fund. I would pay another penny a gallon to fund that. As it is, they are going to have to raise the property tax rates anyway. And, they should not be just raising money through property taxes - visitors also cost the county money in services - so if someone proposed an additional penny a gallon tax - to get money from non-residents, what do we say? I say, Yes - keep my property tax bill lower, and get the money some other way (increase sales tax?). Do I want to pay more of my hard earned money to our Government? No, but do I want services - Yes. Are there programs that should be eliminated - Yes - like Abstinance Programs (should be run through religious orginizations) - waste of state money - but for every program that one wants eliminated, there are people (lobbyists) asking for that very program to be kept over other programs. A friend of mine always reminds me that the Democrats do nothing but Tax and Spend, he then reminds me that the Republicans just Spend.

There was an outcry to remove the abusive drivers fees - I think they should have just corrected the law to include out of state drivers - now, I do not know all the infractions that were considered abusive, but someone going 45 in a 25, well, they are abusive - and many of us only learn if we have to pay.

How to replace the money that we were counting on in the budget….cut other areas? Raise the gas tax - we all want more money for roads, are you willing to pay a penny a gallon, if the money goes to roads?

Should we increase the tobacco tax? How much money in healthcare does the state subsidize that is related to first and second hand smoke? It is a filthy dirty habit, that harms out health - why not discourage it.

How about in our county - how are we funding the illegal immigrant movement - we are stealing from our rainy day fund. I would pay another penny a gallon to fund that. As it is, they are going to have to raise the property tax rates anyway. And, they should not be just raising money through property taxes - visitors also cost the county money in services - so if someone proposed an additional penny a gallon tax - to get money from non-residents, what do we say? I say, Yes - keep my property tax bill lower, and get the money some other way (increase sales tax?).

Do I want to pay more of my hard earned money to our Government? No, but do I want services - Yes. Are there programs that should be eliminated - Yes - like Abstinance Programs (should be run through religious orginizations) - waste of state money - but for every program that one wants eliminated, there are people (lobbyists) asking for that very program to be kept over other programs.

]]> By: Dolph http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55100 Dolph Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:02:51 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55100 Both are concepts many people just don't seem to understand. Both are concepts many people just don’t seem to understand.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55095 Anonymous Wed, 20 Feb 2008 03:52:58 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55095 Dolph said on 19 Feb 2008 at 7:02 pm: He may not politically agree with you. But that hardly makes him a fool. Furthermore, he is a gentleman. Don't ever forget that he is a politician first then you can add gentleman. Dolph said on 19 Feb 2008 at 7:02 pm:
He may not politically agree with you. But that hardly makes him a fool. Furthermore, he is a gentleman.

Don’t ever forget that he is a politician first then you can add gentleman.

]]> By: Dolph http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55087 Dolph Wed, 20 Feb 2008 02:26:43 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55087 I suppose it depends on what you call a lie. I suppose it depends on what you call a lie.

]]> By: Mr. Anon http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55086 Mr. Anon Wed, 20 Feb 2008 02:14:26 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55086 I don't care if Ken won by a single vote, at least he didn't go back on his campaign promises. I guess some of you can overlook that because the tax on gas was only a penny. I guess it's OK to lie if the effects aren't significant to you? I have usually found that compromising occurs to the benefit of both parties. Not really sure how Colgan made out in the "compromise" that resulted in his bill going down in flames. Gentlemen don't lie, just for the record. I don’t care if Ken won by a single vote, at least he didn’t go back on his campaign promises. I guess some of you can overlook that because the tax on gas was only a penny. I guess it’s OK to lie if the effects aren’t significant to you?

I have usually found that compromising occurs to the benefit of both parties. Not really sure how Colgan made out in the “compromise” that resulted in his bill going down in flames.

Gentlemen don’t lie, just for the record.

]]> By: bwana http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55073 bwana Wed, 20 Feb 2008 00:13:52 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55073 Before "t" jumps in...Cuccinelli was not appointed to his seat. He won it in a special election in 2002, then won general elections in 2003 and 2007. Before “t” jumps in…Cuccinelli was not appointed to his seat. He won it in a special election in 2002, then won general elections in 2003 and 2007.

]]> By: Dolph http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55072 Dolph Wed, 20 Feb 2008 00:02:24 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55072 Perhaps SB 652 was written the way it was to avoid being killed off by Saslaw. It will all be sorted out during crossover, when both houses start working on each others’ bills. What is the intent of the bill? Is its overall purpose to help or restrict illegal immigrants? Senator Colgan is not a die-hard conservative which everyone knows. He does believe in compromise. You know, those rascally bills that pop up where you have to take some things you don’t like in order to get something you do want. Compromise is what makes things move forward. As for the 1 cent a year gas tax…I agree with whoever said BFD. Do you all just realize what you have commited to as a county? A serious BFD. I bet the same nay-sayers will be howling over your increase in taxes. And they WILL increase, rather significantly. Municipalities just do not support themselves. I doubt that any of Senator Colgan’s critics here voted for him anyway. It all sounds a lot like sour grapes to me. Maybe you guys can find another job for Mr. FitzSimmonds. Mr. F will never get my vote, regardless of who runs against him. And for the record Park'd, Senator Colgan is not an old fool. He may not politically agree with you. But that hardly makes him a fool. Furthermore, he is a gentleman. Perhaps SB 652 was written the way it was to avoid being killed off by Saslaw. It will all be sorted out during crossover, when both houses start working on each others’ bills.

What is the intent of the bill? Is its overall purpose to help or restrict illegal immigrants?

Senator Colgan is not a die-hard conservative which everyone knows. He does believe in compromise. You know, those rascally bills that pop up where you have to take some things you don’t like in order to get something you do want. Compromise is what makes things move forward.

As for the 1 cent a year gas tax…I agree with whoever said BFD. Do you all just realize what you have commited to as a county? A serious BFD. I bet the same nay-sayers will be howling over your increase in taxes. And they WILL increase, rather significantly. Municipalities just do not support themselves.

I doubt that any of Senator Colgan’s critics here voted for him anyway. It all sounds a lot like sour grapes to me. Maybe you guys can find another job for Mr. FitzSimmonds. Mr. F will never get my vote, regardless of who runs against him. And for the record Park’d, Senator Colgan is not an old fool. He may not politically agree with you. But that hardly makes him a fool. Furthermore, he is a gentleman.

]]> By: CONVA http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55069 CONVA Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:26:45 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55069 Hopefully the republicans will run a viable candidate next time..not FITZ! Hopefully the republicans will run a viable candidate next time..not FITZ!

]]> By: MyPal http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55063 MyPal Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:41:33 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/02/19/the-kings-clothes-vanish/#comment-55063 Have you heard what he did to his own family member this session? When they were in Richmond, fighting against a particuar judicial bill, he sat on his hands and let the finance committee overwhelmingly pass the bill, while he abstained. Apparently the judicial system has more power than the "#1" Senator, because he did what he was told. You could understand his position if he were consistent, but he votes for other bills involving his family, police and non profits. Since this is how he treats his family, the citizens of his district are in for real trouble. the emperor has no clothes ...and no heart! Have you heard what he did to his own family member this session? When they were in Richmond, fighting against a particuar judicial bill, he sat on his hands and let the finance committee overwhelmingly pass the bill, while he abstained. Apparently the judicial system has more power than the “#1″ Senator, because he did what he was told. You could understand his position if he were consistent, but he votes for other bills involving his family, police and non profits. Since this is how he treats his family, the citizens of his district are in for real trouble. the emperor has no clothes …and no heart!

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