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Is Race-Baiting A Failure in Virginia?

By Greg L | 26 February 2008 | Virginia Politics | 36 Comments

Did the propaganda that all Hispanics somehow feel common cause with illegal aliens and are being driven towards liberal Democrats just fall apart today? PWConservative thinks that may be the case with “Hispanic Voters Now The Most Republican Voting Bloc in Virginia?”

Approval Ratings By Race in Virgina:

Official White Black Hispanic
Bush 44% 16% 66%
Kaine 53% 45% 26%
Webb 46% 53% 16%

I don’t know the source of these numbers and can’t tell you whether the methodology used to obtain them makes this valid data or not, but if this poll is legitimate, it’s going to send shockwaves through the DPVA which has been gleefully telling folks like Dick Saslaw that pandering to illegal aliens is a sure-fire way to ensure control over their Northern Virginia strongholds and the easiest way to extend their power beyond these areas. I’ve seen a fair amount of anecdotal evidence that there are a lot of minority voters (including Hispanics) who are terribly upset with the illegal alien situation, want some solutions now, and are none too happy that some are trying to characterize their communities as supportive of illegal aliens simply because they may share some ethnic heritage with some of them. Yelling “racist” because you have nothing to argue isn’t winning folks over.

What will happen if this facade of racially-based political homogeneity somehow comes crashing down? Will DPVA have to start actually talking about issues? Hmmm.

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  1. PWConservative said on 26 Feb 2008 at 2:31 am:
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    The Polls were conducted by SurveyUSA, There’s a Link Posted on Mason Conservative

  2. Ducky said on 26 Feb 2008 at 3:52 am:
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    You all are the ones claiming all Hispanics somehow support illegal aliens, with crap like Hispanic officers not enforcing 287(g) regs and all that.

  3. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 26 Feb 2008 at 6:41 am:
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    In my book….”silence” (not speaking out against illegal immigration) is the same as supporting it.

  4. Freedom said on 26 Feb 2008 at 6:57 am:
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    I’m with you, Patriot!!

  5. Ducky said on 26 Feb 2008 at 7:17 am:
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    Well, Patriot, PWConservative disagrees with you. He says that not all Hispanics support illegal immigration and he has the statistical surveys to support that.

  6. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 26 Feb 2008 at 7:41 am:
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    Uhh…ducky….uhh…hispanics that speak out against illegal immigration would be on our side and would not be “silent” about it.

  7. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 26 Feb 2008 at 7:43 am:
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    Actually, MOST articles I have ever read regarding cracking down on illegal immigration have hispanic groups protesting those measures. That is a fact jack!

  8. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 26 Feb 2008 at 7:47 am:
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    At the BOCS marathon meeting that allowed everyone to speak last year with regards to the resolution cracking down on illegal immigration in PWC, I cannot recall seeing any hispanics that were present showing support for the resolution. In fact, it was quite the opposite (and very vocal at times). Does that not speak volumes? Of course it does ducky! You know it too.

  9. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 26 Feb 2008 at 7:52 am:
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    Here is proof for Ducky. This just in from NJ.

  10. Ducky said on 26 Feb 2008 at 8:36 am:
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    Why are you arguing with me?

    The premise of this thread is that Hispanics support Republicans more so than Democrats, despite that the anti-illegal immigration measures are primarily Republican-sponored! And he cited stats to prove it.

    Take it up with Greg!

  11. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 26 Feb 2008 at 9:11 am:
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    Just because someone “claims” to be republican does not mean that they support resolutions to curb illegal immigration (or are conservative). As we all have seen in recent times…many so-called “republicans” are actually liberals in disguise (i.e., those that support amnesty).

  12. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 26 Feb 2008 at 9:12 am:
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    This would explain why many former republican voters have now turned independent.

  13. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 26 Feb 2008 at 9:23 am:
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    “Former undocumented worker Bernard Ortiz, an Altoona resident who is now a U.S. citizen and human rights activist, told lawmakers that the proposal would reinforce negative stereotypes that are harmful to Latinos.

    “All these laws will increase stereotypes, harassment, racism. It’s just more obstacles for me,” Ortiz said.”

    More proof for Ducky! I do have a question…how would this be “harmful to Latinos”? Funny thing is…why are all the other groups of people (Germans, Italians, Asians, English, Australians, Africans, etc.) not saying this???

  14. Concerned said on 26 Feb 2008 at 10:33 am:
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    Anecdotal observations support the conclusion that the Hispanic community opposes illegal migration also (the word “immigration” implies a person legally changing their jurisdiction of residence so I don’t use it in the context of illegal aliens). Unfortunately, they are under social pressure to conform to the views of racist groups such as La Raza and Mexicans Without Borders.

    For example, my next-door neighbors are a family of legal immigrants from Mexico. We have also in our neighborhood the overcrowded boarding houses inhabited by illegals and transients that have caused so much trouble in our communities. Our neighbors, our friends, have a son about the same age as our son and they do not allow him around the boarding houses. They prefer for their son to socialize with our WASP son and family rather than the illegals in the neighborhood.

    Legal, hard-working, middle class Hispanics do not want to pay taxes to support services for illegals or suffer the decline in their quality of life the illegals cause any more than do non-Hispanics. They are a natural constituency for the Republican Party because of their conservative, Christian values, and belief in hard work and paying your own way. The Republicans’ challenge is to remain true to their values, including maintaining the rule of law, while communicating to the legal Hispanic community that we welcome them and value their contributions to our nation.

  15. Citizen 12 said on 26 Feb 2008 at 10:56 am:
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    The high number of supporters Bush has in the Hispanic community should come as no surprise. The fact that liberal democrats have been falling over each other to capture this potential voting block has been a game of catch up. When Bush first announced his amnesty / guest worker plan back in 2004 it was the catalyst for the massive surge of illegal immigration.

  16. Howard the Duck said on 26 Feb 2008 at 11:06 am:
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    Buchannan is worth a read today.

  17. Anonymous said on 26 Feb 2008 at 11:17 am:
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    Ducky said on 26 Feb 2008 at 3:52 am:
    You all are the ones claiming all Hispanics somehow support illegal aliens, with crap like Hispanic officers not enforcing 287(g) regs and all that.

    You just did/said exactly what you are criticizing. YOU ALL! IDIOT!

  18. AWCheney said on 26 Feb 2008 at 12:32 pm:
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    The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 26 Feb 2008 at 9:12 am:
    “This would explain why many former republican voters have now turned independent.”

    Excuse me Patriot, but I for one do not consider the Republican Party to be the party of the Conservative any longer. The Party leadership doesn’t support fiscal restraint, they SUPPORT amnesty for illegal aliens, they refuse to demand that the laws regarding illegal aliens are enforced and, in fact, pander to the illegal alien lobby. They issue ill-advised tax cuts at a time when they are adding many billions of dollars in expenditures to the budget, refusing to cut taxes to pay for that “free lunch” (the national debt has increased to the tune of $1.59 billion per day since September 29, 2006) and still believe that any reasonably intelligent citizen is going to believe that they are conservative! There’s a cynical and arrogant mentality at play here that is downright scary.

    I’d say that you have that a little backwards:
    The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 26 Feb 2008 at 9:11 am:
    “Just because someone “claims” to be republican does not mean that they support resolutions to curb illegal immigration (or are conservative). As we all have seen in recent times…many so-called “republicans” are actually liberals in disguise (i.e., those that support amnesty).”

    There’s no more difference between the Republicans and the Democrats nowadays than there is between an Oklahoma and a Texas jack rabbit…it’s all in the rhetoric.

  19. AWCheney said on 26 Feb 2008 at 12:40 pm:
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    I may need to clarify that second half of my comment:

    You’ve got that a little backwards, Patriot, because many life-long Republicans (Goldwater and Reagan Republicans) are leaving the party in disgust…and THEY are the true conservatives. The new crop is just a bunch of extremist wannabes (or thinktheyares, to be precise).

  20. AWCheney said on 26 Feb 2008 at 12:45 pm:
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    Correction: …refusing to cut EXPENDITURES to pay for that “free lunch,” not TAXES.

  21. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 26 Feb 2008 at 12:46 pm:
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    AWC…that is what I said. True repubs are leaving and going independent. Phony repubs are the current repubs but are actually liberal.

  22. AWCheney said on 26 Feb 2008 at 12:49 pm:
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    Sorry…I understood it differently. Anyway, it sounds like we’re both on EXACTLY the same page then.

  23. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 26 Feb 2008 at 1:17 pm:
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    Yes…AWC…we are. There is NO difference between the current democrat (liberal) and repub (liberal) parties. That is why we need a strong conservative independent to get us all back on track (and to curb illegal immigration).

  24. pwconservative said on 26 Feb 2008 at 2:19 pm:
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    remember that these Latinos are voters that live in VA, resentment of illegals may come from the fact that the legal ones have it pretty rough, since most people on the streets make broad assupmtions about them.
    But one thing I’ve noticed about my hispanic friends family, is that they have very strong family values, I think that politically they are much more inclined to gravitate to the socially conservatism of the Republican Party

  25. Johnson said on 26 Feb 2008 at 4:13 pm:
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    The proper southern way to address a group is, “All Y’All”, vs. “Y’all”, which could be 1 -3 persons. Yes, latinos/hispanics tend to lean to the conservative end of the spectrum. However, they are also most likely to still be in a central american country, awaiting an immigrant visa from our Dept. of State. Illegal aliens don’t care about laws or conservative values and will do/say anything to get what they want. Sound familiarly liberal?

  26. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 27 Feb 2008 at 8:07 am:
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    “But many opposition leaders are suspicious, as are many Mexicans. “It’s an illusion to say private investment will make the company better. Foreigners will come and take away our jobs,” says Mr. Lopez Martinez.”

    Okay. Here is another whopper! It is okay for them to come here to take away our jobs, however, it is not okay for foreigners to go there and take away their jobs? This illegal immigration story just keeps getting better and better doesn’t it?

  27. Johnson said on 27 Feb 2008 at 10:01 am:
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    Corruption and inefficiency? In Mexico? Say it ain’t so!

  28. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 27 Feb 2008 at 2:37 pm:
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    This article is RIDICULOUS! When will people start taking off their ethno-centric glasses whilst looking at every single situation!

  29. Johnson said on 27 Feb 2008 at 3:03 pm:
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    Wah! Give me special privileges because I’m (fill in the blank) !
    Has anyone noticed that societies developed by Europeans provide the most freedom, security and prosperity on Earth? I don’t see people lining up to sneak into El Salvador, North Africa or China. Discrimination is already illegal. We need to stop race and gender-based handouts. Kalifornia has. America is where everyone has an equal opportunity to succeed. It is the responsibility of the individual to get educated and work hard for their reward. Our Constitution guarantees the pursuit of happiness, not success itself.

  30. Dolph said on 27 Feb 2008 at 11:56 pm:
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    Has any woman ever come on here and complained about gender based handouts?

    I am not even sure what a gender based hand out is. I want one…I think.

  31. Johnson said on 28 Feb 2008 at 10:03 am:
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    Didn’t mean to single out the ladies. I was too lazy to list all of the currently PC “minority” groups that are protected by law.

    Accept women for the military draft and I will support the ERA.

    I work for Uncle Sam, and we are required to hire and promote a certain percentage of women, regardless of their knowledge, skills or abilities. To me, that is a gender based handout. On the flip side, I have been honored to work with them. They are just as dedicated and hardworking as I. The percentage of losers is about even among all of us and is surprisingly low.

    Why would anyone complain about receiving something of value which they did not earn?

    More importantly, would they refuse it? Or have the integrity to give it back?

  32. Anonymous said on 28 Feb 2008 at 11:46 am:
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    On topic, I work with three folks who are naturalized citizens, originally from Central America (one from El Salvador and two from Honduras). All three are hard working, religious, and quite conservative. One of the three has a strong opinion on immigration, the other two are kind of undecided where they are and tend to be more concerned about other hot button issues (like taxes). The one with a strong opinion on immigration believes that no one should get to shortcut the line to citizenship that he himself had to patiently shuffle through for many years until he finally got to raise his hand and take the oath. I don’t know how typical they are, but the numbers on the first entry seem to argue that there are more people like my coworkers than I expected.

  33. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 28 Feb 2008 at 2:20 pm:
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    anonymous…I doubt it.

  34. Dolph said on 28 Feb 2008 at 4:02 pm:
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    Thanks for the explanation. I wasn’t sure what that meant. I worked in a profession where the opposite was true. As for female draft or ERA, that ship has sailed, I believe.

    I also am of an age where many professions and actual rights were not within my grasp because of my gender. I don’t want a free ride, just a level playing field. Truthfully, I do not know the answer to make sure this happens without granting ‘hand-outs.’ I really do not care for anyone being a sacred cow. I do not like quotas.

  35. Michael said on 4 Mar 2008 at 10:51 pm:
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    Dolph, a level playing field, cannot be had because not all humans are created “level”. We all have different abilities. The supreme court only guarantees, equal opportunities, not equal outcomes and results. A level playing field assumes everyone is equal in terms of skill and can compete at the same “level”, and “gender” should be a mandated advantage if your “numbers” are lower than the opposite gender. You cannot use one wrong to justify another wrong. Any PC handout or special consideration, protected minority status, etc is wrong, because instead of leveling the playing field it simply gives preference. It replaces people of all possible ranges of skills with people of “supplemented or preferred gender, racial, or ethnic group” skills based entirely on “numbers”. How can that possibly be a level playing field, unless you assume all people, i.e some women who claim this right to be equally smart? The problem is a social attitude one (I deserve more money and social benefits based on my gender, race, or ethnic group) Income and type of job is one of “choice” and level of education. The job you end up with is the job you choose, with it comes the salary you choose, and the results and entire human distribution over all the possible skill sets.

  36. Michael said on 4 Mar 2008 at 11:02 pm:
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    I too support the female draft, and in all combat fields with all required to put their life on the line the same regardless of their gender. We are beginning thankfully to achieve that. No gender has a right to claim their life is more “special” or “precious” than another. The “Titanic” should never have happened the way it did. That one gender deserves more “life and liberty” than another is morally wrong. My daughters life is no more precious to me than my son’s life. I venture, equal opportunity is never claimed here, is it?

    Also regarding the right or social requirement to pay the “bill” for dinner and a date, is equal opportunity claimed here as well? We will be free and “equal” when no more men are expected to be the “wallet” and “provider” for people to claim they deserve from another what they don’t earn for themselves, entirely based on gender. When this also is required, as well as the right of fathers to raise their children and receive child support equally, in “equal” numbers, not based on gender but on ability, skill and income, I will support the ERA.

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