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Manassas Adopts Tough 287(g) Agreement

By Greg L | 26 February 2008 | Illegal Aliens, Manassas City | 34 Comments

The Manassas City Council endorsed a very tough agreement with the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement under Section 287(g) with another unanimous vote that I understand will now form the template for all other 287(g) agreements in the area.  As is common with these agreements, there’s a long list of crimes which will trigger a screening for legal status, and this is one of the most extensive I’ve seen.  The various agreements in Prince William County, and even in Manassas Park are currently being negotiated to be consistent with what Manassas City will have in place, or are in the process of being amended, and soon the entire area will have one set of rules that span all the participating jurisdictions and law enforcement agencies, making it much easier for shared services such as the Adult Detention Center.

The highlight of the evening was probably watching Mexicans Without Borders waltz in to Council Chambers about fifteen minutes after the vote was taken and get completely unhinged during Citizens Time because they couldn’t try to bully the council into becoming illegal alien apologists before the vote.  Nancy Lyall even suggested that the Section 287(g) Program was illegal, despite being a federal program in place in something like five states and thirty local jurisdictions since it was created, and became completely unglued.  John Steinbach started shouting again, but at least didn’t wag his finger and make threats as he so often does.

The owner of the property where the illegal alien billboard in the Historic District still remains rambled on a bit about how important it is to follow the law, which I found rather humorous.   It is reported that the fire that damaged Mr. Fernandez’s historic property was a result of his attempt to subdivide his basement (without a building permit) so spaces could be unlawfully rented out to illegals and unlawfully overcrowd the house, until a shoddy electrical job which was never inspected as required by code managed to set the structure on fire.  Then after ignoring requirements to protect the structure it was condemned by the city, and he was ordered to demolish it.   Mr. Fernandez failed to complete that demolition and instead retained a side wall on which he erected a billboard that violates city ordinances regarding signage, in the historic district no less.

And this guy has the temerity to tell the City Council that he follows the law, and is an example somehow of how illegal aliens are law abiding people.  No wonder these folks can never win a vote.  I only wonder how elected officials can resist the urge to break out in laughter when they hear such patent absurdities.  The self-restraint that these public exhibit is truly impressive.

So once again the illegal alien lobby loses a vote, and not by a little.  Again, this was a unanimous vote.  I think it’s starting to get to them that no matter what they do, they just keep on losing.



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34 Comments

  1. Michael said on 26 Feb 2008 at 6:39 am:
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    Finally, the people get some justice for a change…

  2. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 26 Feb 2008 at 6:51 am:
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    Nancy and John should be investigated for possible “aiding and abetting”.

  3. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 26 Feb 2008 at 7:31 am:
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    http://www.northstarwriters.com/dkk106.htm
    “Minneapolis Children’s Deaths Reveal the Lethality of Liberalism”

  4. CitizenofManassas said on 26 Feb 2008 at 8:11 am:
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    It was pretty funny watching the illegal alien supporters ramble on at the meeting, as if their race baiting was going to work.

  5. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 26 Feb 2008 at 8:31 am:
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    Here is the deal…legal residents have nothing to worry about…unless:
    1. They are “aiding and abetting”.
    2. They have family who are illegals in country.
    Period! Are the legal residents in “You Don’t Speak for Me” worried? NO! Why? Because they are actively speaking out against illegal immigration and are doing nothing wrong!
    In my book, if you are an individual or a business who opposes resolving illegal immigration, you are part of the problem and should be investigated for possible “aiding and abetting”.

  6. Batson D. Belfrey said on 26 Feb 2008 at 8:59 am:
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    Mr. Fernandez, Johnny and Nancy probably think that the wall is helping their cause. Perhaps if they stopped to think how much this has pissed off the old town businesses and residents, and how much power and influence the old town crowd has in city affairs, they might have re-thought their strategy. AS they have demonstrated time and time again, the organized pro-illegal groups haven’t a clue as to what is in the hearts and minds of the majority of Americans and legal residents. It is because they view the world from a hard left liberal perspective, and seem to think that it is the hard-right and hate-groups that are opposing them. They couldn’t be more wrong. It isn’t the Klan, skin-heads, etc. that is driving society to combat illegal immigration. It’s not hate or racism. It is mainstream America who wants our laws enforced. Come to this country, and work hard to achieve the American Dream, but do it legally. That’s what people want. Don’t sneak in, steal jobs, use services reserved for Citizens and legal residents, demand rights, and most of all, commit additional crimes. Because this is what illegals are doing, citizens and legal residents have said “enough”.

  7. Angry Blackman! said on 26 Feb 2008 at 9:04 am:
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    Keep up the fight…I read today where those that hire Illegals might be losing their business license here in Virginia…GOOD!

  8. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 26 Feb 2008 at 9:14 am:
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    Yes…that is a GREAT thing!

  9. k. o'toole said on 26 Feb 2008 at 10:22 am:
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    Speaking of fires burning down houses, does anyone know what the cause of last April’s housefire was that took the life of a PWC fireman? The report given recently to the BOCS indicated that it began on the outside of the house, so I was wondering if it, too, was electrical.

  10. Advocator said on 26 Feb 2008 at 12:07 pm:
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    Angry:

    Where did you read about business licenses in VA possibly being revoked? I’m not aware of any such bill that might become law.

  11. Irish-American said on 26 Feb 2008 at 12:13 pm:
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    There are a lot of politically motivatedd headline ggrabbing bills in the GA…The one on businesses….i believe that the tesst is a social security number/card//……..but it takes forever for the business to get an answer from the govt. Also, undocumenteds move around a lot and cant be detected….the law is another hoax….like all the othres…..

  12. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 26 Feb 2008 at 12:24 pm:
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    Irish…excuses excuses excuses. So what you are basically are saying is….”it is too complicated”, therefore, “we shouldn’t do anything”. RIDICULOUS! This problem has gone on for a long time without any attention. Now it is messy. Therefore, we need to start cleaning house once and for all. It is much like a garage that you keep throwing crap into over the years. One day you realize that it is a major mess and needs attending to. Clean up must happen and at first it is a very large task. However, little by little the garage gets cleaner and cleaner. Eventually, you see the totally cleaned out garage and say…Wow that looks great! I will never let my garage get like that again!

  13. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 26 Feb 2008 at 12:50 pm:
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    http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=140579
    “Another Carpentersville resident’s identity stolen — this one 7 years old”

    Anyone want to guess the legal status of the guy who stole the identity?

  14. Angry Blackman! said on 26 Feb 2008 at 1:58 pm:
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    This is where I read about the proposed bill.

    http://www.insidenova.com/isn/news/local/article/bill_banning_contractors_from_hiring_illegals_heads_to_senate_floor/4929/

    We need more laws like this to pass! :)

  15. G Man said on 26 Feb 2008 at 1:58 pm:
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    Irish-American said “i believe that the tesst is a social security number/card//……..but it takes forever for the business to get an answer from the govt.” That is not correct if a business uses E-Verify. A SSN is entered into an online database and the response is back in seconds as to a match between the name and the SSN. Several states such as Arizona and Oklahoma have mandated businesses use E-Verify and the results have been dramatic - thousands of illegals have self-deported because they can no longer work.

    Advocator: Here I believe is the bill Angry was referring to:

    http://www.insidenova.com/isn/news/local/article/bill_banning_contractors_from_hiring_illegals_heads_to_senate_floor/4929/

  16. longtimeresident said on 26 Feb 2008 at 2:29 pm:
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    HATS OFF and many THANKS to each member of the Manassas City Council for approving the 287(G) agreement. At last something is being done! It’s about time our laws are being enforced!

  17. Advocator said on 26 Feb 2008 at 2:33 pm:
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    Angry Bro:

    I thought you might have been referring to that bill. It has nothing to do with business licenses. It’s aimed at businesses that contract with the state or local gummints. From the way the MJM reported about it, you’d think it had some “teeth” to it. Here’s my comment on the MJM website:

    The bill regarding public contracting is worthless. It does not, as your article states, say, “No contract with a public entity in Virginia can be awarded to a company that cannot prove that all employees are authorized to work in the U.S.” Instead, it provides that, “the contractor does not, and shall not during the performance of the contract for goods and services in the Commonwealth, knowingly employ an unauthorized alien.” This is a big difference. The bill does not require contractors to check the legality of its workforce, it only prohibits them from KNOWINGLY hiring illegals. If an illegal shows up and gives phony information, the contractor would not violate this law, as it is currently written, by hiring him.

  18. Irish-American said on 26 Feb 2008 at 3:05 pm:
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    G- Man….i stand corrrected if that really works……it has beeen my understanding that it doesnt ……also, am i correct in saying that the SSN would be the deciding factor in emplpoyment?

  19. G Man said on 26 Feb 2008 at 5:05 pm:
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    Irish-American - Not exactly. Employers are not allowed to use E-Verify for pre-screening purposes. An employee would be hired and within three days after being hired the employer would verify the SSN through E-Verify. More info on E-Verify, it’s success in other states, and efforts to require it in Virginia is the lead article in the current Help Save Manassas newsletter. You can check that out at: http://www.helpsavemanassas.org/files/newsletter/current.pdf

  20. CJC said on 26 Feb 2008 at 5:05 pm:
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    Greg,
    Thanks for the report. It sounds like the meeting went our way. It’s great to get good news like this.

  21. IRISH-AMERICAN said on 26 Feb 2008 at 8:18 pm:
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    THANK YOU…….GMAN….IWILL READ IT!!

  22. Harry C from Manassas said on 26 Feb 2008 at 9:10 pm:
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    I noticed that most of the people who berated the Council were from the county.

    Most of those who thanked the Council were Manassas City residents.

    Very telling.

  23. CitizenofManassas said on 26 Feb 2008 at 9:20 pm:
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    Harry,

    That has always been the case with this issue.

  24. Patty said on 26 Feb 2008 at 9:55 pm:
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    The only ones that I could think that berated the Council would be the pro illegal alien group.

    Most of us in the County do thank the City for adopting the 287g program.

    So can anyone tell me? Was Alona Almeda there flapping her big mouth?

  25. Anonymous said on 27 Feb 2008 at 8:44 am:
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    Advocator, I just get excited at ANY effort to rid the area of illegals. Today, in the Post it has a article titled “U.S. Steps up Deportation of Immigrant Criminals” :)

  26. Angry Blackman! said on 27 Feb 2008 at 8:58 am:
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    Advocator, I posted the comments above but forgot to sign in.

  27. Big Dog said on 27 Feb 2008 at 9:58 am:
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    FYI -Virginia Pilot (2-27-2008)

    “The Hispanic population of Virginia is booming. It
    nearly tripled from 1990 to 2006, according to
    a study released Tuesday by the University of Virginia.”

    “About 470,000 Hispanics live in Virginia … more
    than 300,000 live in Northern Virginia.” An
    estimated 40% are here illegally.

    “Adult Hispanic citizens in Virginia have a higher
    educational attainment and higher household incomes,
    on average, than adult citizens overall.”

    “Virginia Hispanics who are not citizens are,
    in general, less educated, poorer nand more likely
    to lack health insurance than the population
    overall” said author, Qian Cai.

    The top three Hispanic jurisdictions in Virginia:
    Manassas Park (30%), Manassas (27%) and
    Prince William County (19%).

  28. Angry Blackman! said on 27 Feb 2008 at 10:16 am:
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    I just want the area free from them 40% (illegals).

  29. Big Dog said on 27 Feb 2008 at 11:02 am:
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    Also suggest reading a front page story in today’s WaPo
    (2-27-2008) headlined “U.S. Steps Up Deportation
    of Immigrant Criminals”.

    One Judge is quoted as observing “Cities are overwhelmed
    with the cosequences and cost of illegal immigration.”

  30. Big Dog said on 27 Feb 2008 at 11:23 am:
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    “consequences”

  31. CitizenofManassas said on 28 Feb 2008 at 8:32 am:
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    Here is a shocker, the MJM has weighed in on the MOA, and of course they fear the power of the police, and engage in hand wringing. Funny, how they never seem to question the ethics and responsibility of the police any other time, except when it comes to the beloved illegals and the enforcement of the law.

  32. old time said on 28 Feb 2008 at 10:03 am:
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    Thank you council for acting! This is not about prejudice or racism, it’s about fairly enforcing laws! Hopefully the next step will be for local government to require employers with business licenses to abide by Federal laws related to the employment of illegal aliens (as in it’s illegal)

  33. CitizenofManassas said on 28 Feb 2008 at 12:51 pm:
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    http://www.wtop.com/?nid=600&sid=1354085

    I suppose the pro criminal crowd supports this guy too. I wonder if the MJM is going to cover this story?

  34. Greg L said on 28 Feb 2008 at 1:06 pm:
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    Good catch!

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