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A Vote For Criminal Illegal Aliens

By Greg L | 28 February 2008 | Illegal Aliens, Virginia Senate | 43 Comments

In a 7-5 vote, the Senate Courts of Justice Committee killed (passed by indefinitely) HB 623. Although nearly all Democrats voted to PBI this bill, Democrat Roscoe Reynolds voted against passing this by, Republican Senator Quayle abstained from voting, and for some reason Republican Senator Ken Stolle (who opposed this measure last year) and Republican Senator Tommy Norment both took a walk instead of voting. Still, with Marsh, Saslaw, Howell, Lucas, Edwards, Puller, and Deeds forming a decisive block of Democrats who voted to kill this bill, I think it is appropriate to lay the failure of this measure at the feet of the Democrats, who as a block have decided that it is good policy to forgo any effective measures to screen for illegal aliens in our state prisons, and release illegal alien convicts back into our communities after they have served their sentence.

The result of this bone-headed decision is that absent any extraordinary efforts by the Attorney General, as we’ve recently seen, illegal alien sex offenders will be released into your communities and placed on the state Sex Offender Registry rather than be deported. This means that illegal aliens who commit other crimes that don’t garner the limited attention of federal immigration authorities will not be detected in the state prison system, will not be processed for deportation, and will be released back into our communities despite the fact that their presence in the Virginia is unlawful. Unless Democrats immediately do something to address this policy failure on their part, Democrats can and should be held responsible for every crime committed in Virginia by a recidivist illegal alien criminal.

Equally egregious is the clear demonstration that despite recent unity in the Senate Republican Caucus, Senators Stolle and Norment have failed to follow through on their campaign promises and are not deserving of the trust of the voters. Senator Stolle in particular should feel enormous outrage from his constituents over this since he lost two of them to a drunken illegal alien driver last summer who had previous interactions with law enforcement. Had the Section 287(g) Program been in place, the murderer of those two young girls would have been identified and deported long before that fateful day when those two girls died. Senator Stolle has instead decided to rob his constituents of a voice on this matter, violated his promises to meaningfully address immigration policy reform in Virginia, and slunk away in shame instead of voting as he promised. Virginia Beach residents should be outraged.

I don’t understand what Norment’s problem was. He’s been pretty good on immigration issues in general, and why he decided to play hooky and let Democrats protect illegal aliens from the consequences of their actions is beyond reason. Had Qualye voted against PBI instead of abstaining, and Stolle and Norment not taken a walk and voted to report this bill instead of kill it, this bill would have been reported and moved to the full Senate, where it almost certainly would have passed and gone to the Governor. Republicans could have won this vote had their leadership been interested in a victory for Virginians, and instead have prevented forcing Governor Kaine to take a public position on this. Quayle, Norment and Stolle have just given Governor Kaine the political cover he so desperately wanted.

Clearly there is much more housecleaning needed in the Senate of Virginia. I’d rather have three more Roscoe Reynolds clones in the Senate than Norment, Quayle and Stolle if all they’re going to do is sell out the citizens of Virginia and provide cover for Governor Kaine. I expect Saslaw and his ilk to actively subvert the rule of law in Virginia, because that is all they ever seem to want to do. To have a small handful of Republicans help them do it makes me think there’s a few more Chichesters in the Senate who are in dire need of an unrelenting and vicious retribution from their constituents. They really need to explain to the voters why illegal aliens who have committed crimes worthy of incarceration in our state prison system should be permitted to unlawfully remain in the Commonwealth. The next three years of their terms, as well as those of Senators Marsh, Saslaw, Howell, Lucas, Edwards, Puller, and Deeds should be made as painful as possible.

Thanks to Senators Reynolds, Cuccinelli, Obenshain, McDougle, and Hurt for standing up against this outrageous practice of releasing criminal illegal aliens from our prisons back into our society. This is a better performance from this committee than we saw last year on this issue. Next year you may have a few more allies, bearing a few bruises, but who have concluded that protecting the interests of illegal aliens over those of Virginia’s legal residents is a politically stupid idea.

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43 Comments

  1. Ron said on 28 Feb 2008 at 10:00 pm:
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    Let’s build a sex offender halfway house near wherever Saslaw’s house!

  2. Greg L said on 28 Feb 2008 at 10:19 pm:
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    I am seriously considering establishing a website, in Spanish and English, that would invite illegal aliens released from prison to move next door to the Senators that voted to kill this bill, highlighting in particular those Senators that WALKED OUT so they wouldn’t have to cast a vote. They want these ex-convict illegal aliens to live in our communities, let’s actively encourage them to move in next to the folks who are responsible for this problem.

  3. Maureen Wood said on 28 Feb 2008 at 10:21 pm:
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    This is outrageous! I will NEVER understand why those that killed the 287g bill wouldn’t want CRIMINAL illegal aliens deported. Shame on all of them that voted to pass this by. I plan on calling and emailing every single one of them and let them know how I feel. They didn’t just hurt their own communities, they hurt ALL Virginians.
    Senator Henry L. Marsh III – Chairman
    (804) 698-7516 email: district16@sov.state.va.us
    Senator Richard L. Saslaw
    (804) 698-7535 email: district35@sov.state.va.us
    Senator Kenneth W. Stolle
    (804) 698-7508 email: district08@sov.state.va.us
    Senator Thomas K. Norment, Jr.
    (804) 698-7503 email: district03@sov.state.va.us
    Senator Janet D. Howell
    (804) 698-7532 email: district32@sov.state.va.us
    Senator L. Louise Lucas
    (804) 698-7518 email: district18@sov.state.va.us
    Senator John S. Edwards
    (804) 698-7521 email: district21@sov.state.va.us
    Senator Linda T. Puller
    (804) 698-7536 email: district36@sov.state.va.us
    Senator R. Creigh Deeds
    (804) 698-7525 email: district25@sov.state.va.us
    Ask Senator Quayle why he abstained
    Senator Frederick M. Quayle
    (804) 698-7513 email: district36@sov.state.va.us

  4. Maureen Wood said on 28 Feb 2008 at 10:23 pm:
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    Ron and Greg, best idea that I’ve heard!

  5. starryflights said on 28 Feb 2008 at 10:26 pm:
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    Unfortunately, until an illegal alien hurts one of their own family, they won’t do a thing. They certainly don’t care about the citizens that each day are being hurt or killed by these illegal aliens. Shame on them all for not passing this!

  6. Conservativa said on 28 Feb 2008 at 10:33 pm:
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    It’s got to be a lawsuit waiting to happen.

  7. Maureen Wood said on 28 Feb 2008 at 10:34 pm:
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    And a thank you to the others would be nice.
    Senator Mark D. Obenshain
    (804) 698-7526 email: district26@sov.state.va.us
    Senator Ryan T. McDougle
    (804) 698-7504
    Senator Ken T. Cuccinelli, II
    (804) 698-7537
    Senator W. Roscoe Reynolds
    (804) 698-7520
    Senator Robert Hurt
    (804) 698-7519

  8. Maureen Wood said on 28 Feb 2008 at 10:48 pm:
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    OOP’S. I forgot their emails.

    Senator Ryan T. McDougle
    email: district04@sov.state.va.us
    Senator Ken T. Cuccinelli, II
    email: district37@sov.state.va.us
    Senator W. Roscoe Reynolds
    email: district20@sov.state.va.us
    Senator Robert Hurt
    email: district19@sov.state.va.us

  9. Greg L said on 28 Feb 2008 at 11:43 pm:
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    Of note, Ken Stolle Stolle was the co-chairman (he takes credit as chair in the local papers) of the Virginia Crime Commission Illegal Immigration Task Force that he takes credit for initiating as a result of the deaths of two Virginia Beach residents at the hands of a drunken illegal alien last spring.

    I think at this point we can positively conclude that he learned nothing, lied to the electorate about his supposed understanding about the problem of illegal aliens, and remains a traitor. I can imagine no better target for a primary by illegal immigration activists over the next three years in Virginia. Folks in Virginia Beach should start recruiting, financing, and working on behalf of a candidate to primary Stolle right now.

    How many more Virginia Beach residents is Ken Stolle willing to see die at the hands of an illegal alien? His actions today should tell us HE DOESN’T CARE HOW MANY.

    What a coward. He can’t even stay and cast a vote. He’s got to run away, hoping his constituents won’t notice that when they counted on him to represent them, he ran away instead. They will notice.

  10. Krutis said on 28 Feb 2008 at 11:44 pm:
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    Greg L - A BILINGUAL SITE !!! How un-American - and coming from YOU! :) :) :) I love it! Are you bilingual in Spanish/English, or do you have a clever aide hidden somewhere?

  11. Crystal Clear Conservative said on 28 Feb 2008 at 11:57 pm:
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    Greg, I love the idea of the website. It is a great idea that will give real estate ideas to the illegal alien sex offenders. After all, I hear the coveted property deal happens to be next door to Saslaw.

    Check out the sample script:

    Illegal Alien: Hola Senor Saslaw!
    Saslaw: Uh, hello!
    Illegal Alien: I am your new neighbor. Thank you for allowing me out of the cell, man! You allowed me to get away with several sex offenses, and I am honored to be living next door to my hero.
    Saslaw: Oh, man! Why did I have to let these creeps out of prison? They are lowering my property taxes and causing my neighborhood to fall apart.

    Gee, I would love to hear the last sentence come from Saslaw’s mouth. Unfortunately, it seems like the new majority does not want to address an issue that is affecting each citizen throughout Northern Virginia.

  12. Crystal Clear Conservative said on 28 Feb 2008 at 11:59 pm:
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    I meant property value. I apologize about the last portion of Saslaw’s line, because he loves taxes, he can’t get enough of them!

  13. Pat.Herve said on 29 Feb 2008 at 12:17 am:
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    I love the logic - three Republicans fail to vote FOR the measure, and it is the Democrats fault that the bill did not pass.

    Lets look at it another way - the Republicans do not want the bill to pass, so they throw their vote away, so that the bill fails, and then they can publically say that they did not vote against the bill, but still get what they want without sacrificing any political standing.

  14. Anonymous said on 29 Feb 2008 at 1:02 am:
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    Ken Stolle’s constituents knew he was very weak on illegal immigration and he still faced no primary opposition last year. This is probably one of those fairly rare circumstances were he is very well liked in his district on most issues and they will not toss him over this. Unforunately, not every district is not like PWC were illegal immigration seems to dominate every single news cycle.

    I think some politicians in the Hampton Roads-Va Beach area have found out they can take a walk or vote pro illegal immigration measures and it will not have huge repercussions outside a few grassroots conservatives in the party. As long as Stolle, Norman, Quayle and others stay fairly close to the straight and narrow and throw their constituents a bone every now and then on taxes and pro-life/family issues they will be just fine and nothing will get done on illegal immigration. That is good for them and good for big business.

  15. PWConservative said on 29 Feb 2008 at 2:40 am:
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    Like Federal Judge’s, Every Bill deserves an up or down vote by the FULL committee

  16. Freedom said on 29 Feb 2008 at 6:44 am:
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    …and all members should be REQUIRED to vote, even by proxy!!!!

  17. CitizenofManassas said on 29 Feb 2008 at 7:10 am:
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    Well once again DICK lives up to his name. DICK hates gun owners but loves criminals. He simply is the poster child for what is wrong with politics.

  18. Anonymous said on 29 Feb 2008 at 7:47 am:
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    A site that keeps track of criminal offenses committed by illegals in the area would be great. Maybe you could correlate each offense to how near or far it is from each representative’s house.

  19. Rick Bentley said on 29 Feb 2008 at 7:54 am:
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    Any info demonstrating that our representatives live oin gated communities and don’t have to deal with this issue the way common folk do might be worth propogating. I think that’s the root of the problem. If these Senate members lived in my neighborhood, it’d be a unanimous vote.

  20. dilly said on 29 Feb 2008 at 7:57 am:
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    Colgan responds to letter writer

    CHARLES J. “CHUCK” COLGAN
    Published: February 29, 2008

    I am responding to a letter dated Feb. 20, where the writer claimed I have not followed through on promises made during my campaign as they relate to the gas tax and illegal immigration.

    This year I have introduced three bills related to the illegal alien problem. One bill would have initiated an instant background check that employers could use before hiring prospective employees and they could very quickly determine whether the individual was legal or illegal. This process is referred to as E-verification. An assistant to the General Attorney advised me that the bill conflicted with federal law.

    Therefore the bill and similar bills were defeated in the Senate Committee for Courts of Justice.

    I also introduced a resolution directing the Congress of the United States to do their job and accept responsibilities for the illegal alien problem and stop placing this problem in the laps of state and local governments.

    This resolution passed the Senate by unanimous vote and is currently being considered in the House of Delegates. A second resolution I introduced in the General Assembly of Virginia would request the Attorney General to file suit against the federal government in an attempt to recover the cost Virginia has had to bear due to the influx of illegal aliens which was not controlled by the federal government.

    During discussions on the bill, it was determined that seven states have attempted to do this and have failed. Therefore, the resolution was carried over until next year and will be reconsidered in the 2009 session of the General Assembly.

    The writer claimed I voted for legislation which would allow illegal aliens to attend our colleges and universities and pay in-state tuition. This is partly true. However, what his letter didn’t state are the conditions under which the so-called illegal student would be permitted to enroll.

    The conditions are: If the student has been a resident of the United States for at least three years, if the student graduated from a Virginia high school, if at least one parent has filed a tax return during that past three years and if the student has initiated the process of becoming a citizen; it is better that he or she be educated. I voted for a similar bill during Governor Mark Warner’s term.

    The writer claimed I voted recently for an increase in the gasoline tax.

    He failed to say that I also was one of seven co-sponsors of legislation, which abolished the hated abusive driver’s fines which were levied against drivers who violated certain traffic laws. Not only did that
    bill pass but it also contained provisions to reimburse those who paid these fines after July 1, 2007.

    That bill has passed both the House and Senate. It was projected that this law would have generated $65 million toward transportation funding. Some method had to be found to reimburse the state $65 million in lost revenue.

    The bill which I voted for would increase the gas tax one cent per gallon this year and each year for a total of five cents per gallon after five years. Since I voted for a bill which was going to reduce revenues by $65 million I thought it proper to try to replace that revenue with the slight increase in gasoline tax which will, in part, be paid by out-of-state drivers. Under the Abusive Driver’s Law, out-of-state drivers were exempt.

    CHARLES J. “CHUCK” COLGAN
    Democratic Virginia State Senator for the 29th District

    http://www.insidenova.com/isn/news/opinion/letters_to_the_editor/article/colgan_responds_to_letter_writer/4993/

  21. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 29 Feb 2008 at 8:01 am:
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    This is to be expected. Those that live in “protected” (aka gated) communities have no idea what it is like living next to bunk houses, etc. Bottom-line…we need to keep the “grass roots” model in mind. We need to keep the pressure on our BOCs to keep things moving in the right direction in our local community. Our BOCs have more common sense than our State legislatures.

  22. Angry Blackman! said on 29 Feb 2008 at 8:29 am:
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    I read the letter from Senator Colgan and while he made some key points, AS a Sr. Member he should be able to influence the Saslaw clown in regards to illegal immigration. I just feel that the letter he wrote is his ATTEMPT to cover up his lack of effort.

    It’s time for Colgan to go…he will no longer get my vote and there are others just like me who feel like he gave an half A$$ed effort on the issue of illegal immigration.

  23. park'd said on 29 Feb 2008 at 9:56 am:
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    Colgan did give a half assed attempt, just as we all said he would; at least those of us with brains. This really is a travesty and unfortunately the next person that is killed or raped by an illegal alien will inadvertently be used as a pawn to nail these guys to the wall and get some accountability. The next death lies DIRECTLY on their heads and it’s up to us to make sure that that happens on a very public scale.

  24. Cardinal Dogwood Flag said on 29 Feb 2008 at 10:05 am:
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    Sen. Puller has continuously obstructed efforts to enforce immigration law at the state/local level, the number one issue for those Prince William County Districts in the 36th with the almost daily addition of more and more voices from the Fairfax Districts to the call to put an end to the damage citizens suffer from the effects of illegal aliens.

    It’s time we send someone who “gets it” down to Richmond from the 36th that will work in a bi-partisan manner to accomplish what the people want rather than grandstanding, obstructing and voting strictly along party lines.

  25. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 29 Feb 2008 at 10:57 am:
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    Angry Blackman! said on 29 Feb 2008 at 8:29 am:

    I AGREE 1,000,000% A little CYA is in that letter. I wasn’t one of those that jumped on the Colgan bandwagon when all of this legislation was introduced. I wanted to see him fight for and defend it. He never did and it was eaten up by committee. He made good on his promise to introduce legislation, but he failed to follow through. I agree, as a Sr. member, he should be able to pull in this Saslaw character.

  26. Mr. Anon said on 29 Feb 2008 at 11:16 am:
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    Colgan said:
    “That bill has passed both the House and Senate. It was projected that this law would have generated $65 million toward transportation funding. Some method had to be found to reimburse the state $65 million in lost revenue.”

    In my house when we have a shortfall we STOP SPENDING. Why do we run our state any differently than we run our own households?

    One thing I don’t get about the E-verify bill. I thought other states had already passed identical legilslation. One would think that our lawmakers would have followed the successful template created by other states. Maybe this is all part of the game; the bill was written intentionally so that it would conflict with law, in the event that it somehow made it out of committee and was passed.

  27. Vigilant1 said on 29 Feb 2008 at 11:18 am:
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    Angry Blackman! said on 29 Feb 2008 at 8:29 am:
    It’s time for Colgan to go…he will no longer get my vote and there are others just like me who feel like he gave an half A$$ed effort on the issue of illegal immigration.

    You are quite correct. He could have done a lot more to push that bill but he did not have the will to do the right thing. You will not have to make the decision to not vote for him again. He has already said this is his last term in office (he is over 80 years old…….maybe that is part of the problem.)

  28. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 29 Feb 2008 at 12:00 pm:
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    Mr. Anon said on 29 Feb 2008 at 11:16 am:

    That happens in mine as well. We also look to expenditures to make sure the money is going out productively. The entertainment budget gets cut first. Seems the law makers have that same feeling, but instead of the entertainment budget it is the education budget.

  29. Gnarly said on 29 Feb 2008 at 12:03 pm:
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    I don’t care how you spin it, Colgan has pretty much done what he said he was going to do if he was re-elected. He has not lied to his constituents at all.

    On any issue before the Assembly, ESPECIALLY the illegal alien issue, there is always work to be done to keep legislators’ “feet to the fire.” We would be saying the same thing had the Fitzsimmonds/Colgan race turned out differently. Things happen to these guys in the General Assembly…they get tugged in different directions and try to take the path of least resistance many times. It is our job to keep the pressure on them….so doing the right thing by this issue is always the “path of least resistance.” Expressing your opinion in the voting booth is just step one of this long process. There are 100 different things you can do to make an elected official’s life miserable until he does the right thing. Don’t ever let an elected official think that all he or she has to do is get through the election and they’re home free until they face the voters again in their next election. They should have to FACE THE VOTERS every day they are in office.

    As for me, I am going to turn my wrath on the biggest liars and weak-kneed cowards of them all, Sens. Stolle, Norment, and Quayle. There are ways to make them regret this latest sham and fraud they’ve pulled over the 287g vote. How does Stolle sleep at night knowing that there are grieving parents in his home city who have had children killed by a drunk-driving, criminal alien? He can walk out on a vote that gives us a way to keep this sort of thing from happening again? There are certain legislators who have not only lost their way, they have lost their soul.

    Disgusting.

  30. park'd said on 29 Feb 2008 at 12:18 pm:
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    Greg: initiate a “death watch” on anyone in the state that is murdered, raped, or physically assaulted by an illegal alien and then let’s take that to the media to report. A list of faces and bios can be displayed that shows that these senators were responsible for their deaths, assaults or rapes. Their families can then personally sue these lawmakers and the state of Virginia for aiding and abetting these crimes. Something like this could really turn the tide against corrupt politicians if they are publicly shamed and held accountable for their actions.

  31. Mando said on 29 Feb 2008 at 12:36 pm:
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    I said this much in an email to the three. If someone I know/love is negatively affected by this I will hold them personally responsible.

  32. Harry said on 29 Feb 2008 at 12:49 pm:
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    If Quayle, Stolle and Norment had not taken a “walk” to avoid voting the bill would have come out of committee and would have passed on the senate floor due to Roscoe voting for it. So you can blame it on the Ds but it was the Rs who had a chance to pass it and took a walk rather than cast a vote.

  33. Harry said on 29 Feb 2008 at 12:55 pm:
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    Angry Blackman! said on 29 Feb 2008 at 8:29 am:
    I read the letter from Senator Colgan and while he made some key points, AS a Sr. Member he should be able to influence the Saslaw clown in regards to illegal immigration. I just feel that the letter he wrote is his ATTEMPT to cover up his lack of effort.

    It’s time for Colgan to go…he will no longer get my vote and there are others just like me who feel like he gave an half A$$ed effort on the issue of illegal immigration.

    Obvious you don’t know Saslaw, no one I know has influenced him in the General assembly for the 32 years he has been here.

  34. Dolph said on 29 Feb 2008 at 11:32 pm:
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    Senator Colgan was just re-elected. Regardless of how many of you feel it is time for him to go, he won the election and will hold it for 4 years, God willing. Additionally, he is President pro tempore of the Senate. If the Lt. Gov is absent, Senator Colgan performs his duties.

    You can say time for him to go all you want. That isn’t going to make it happen.

  35. CitizenofManassas said on 1 Mar 2008 at 12:18 am:
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    Dolph,

    What is the point of your post? He lied during the campaign, and that pisses people off. People who took his word and voted for him, and his actions show just how he much he respects them.

    If he is so confident in his opinion and votes, why did he think he had to lie in order to gain votes in the election? If he is such a good man, why did he mislead voters? He should have stood up like a man and said these are my positions, if you don’t like them fine, but I am not going to lie in order to gain votes. I don’t recall Jackson Miller lying in the campaign, and voting differently. Yes, there are those that do not like Jackson, but no one can say he has changed positions on the issues like Chucky has.

  36. Dolph said on 1 Mar 2008 at 1:28 am:
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    COM,

    I do not see that he has lied. We will just have to agree to disagree on that one. And he has done a thing or two to irritate me of late. Lying isn’t one of those things however.

    As to my point, when traveling around the blog I keep seeing people say, ‘It is time for Colgan to go.’ Now don’t you think that is a rather silly statement given the circumstances? I was hoping I didn’t have to say that. I find it tiresome and chose to comment.

  37. carlos mackey said on 1 Mar 2008 at 1:47 am:
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    Colgan is full of it. The three judge panel of the 9th circuit has refused to injoin the state of Arizona from requiring employers to use E Verify. Also judges Neil Wake,James Payne and a judge in a local case have all approved of these laws.

  38. HEARTBLEED said on 1 Mar 2008 at 10:57 am:
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    Call Colgan names….but one of them isnt liar….i am reminded of the ‘no-tax pledge’ that all right-wing idiots sign as a doorstep to election……sign something drawn up by a downtown lobby…..so, what the hell are these elected officials supposed to do if there is a crisis….say they cant fund solutions because they signed a no-tax pledge? electeds official are suppopsed to do- make JUDGMENTS…..and Colgan made the judgment….and i didnt understand at first either….that if abuser fees go, duhhhhh something has to replace them……and now that NVTA is on the ropes…..what’s colgan supposed to do..use his friggin JUDGMENT. He’s one of the key playes in richmond…..and his record of integrty is unblemished except by the right wing nuts…..great job Chuck!!!

  39. CitizenofManassas said on 1 Mar 2008 at 4:02 pm:
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    Dolph,

    He lied when he said he would not vote for an increase in the gas tax, and his letter pretty much said as much. He said he would not vote to allow illegals to get instate tuition, he voted to grant them instate tuition. How can you say he did not lie?

    Pretty funny heartbleed.

    You want to call out those horrible right wingers, but not you boy chucky who lied. I love liberal logic. What he is supposed to do is use his word that he would not vote to increase the gas tax. It is called control spending. Timmy Kaine fully understands we are in a budget crisis, yet he wants to increase spending and fund new programs. Yup, that makes sense.

  40. Dolph said on 1 Mar 2008 at 11:09 pm:
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    COM,

    I recall him saying he did not support a gas tax hike. I do not recall a promise that he would not vote for one under any circumstances. Perhaps I am wrong. I accept direct quotes. I also do not recall his exact words about illegal immigrants and instate college fees.

    I do think a politician has to use common sense and judgement. When the funding law was gutted, where will the money come from? Transportation is probably the #1 issue for northern Virginians. The money to take care of it is not going to fall from the sky.

  41. HEARTBLEED said on 2 Mar 2008 at 12:47 am:
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    Geez Dolph……give me a break…..control spending………all you right-wingers see simple solutions to complex problems…..va is among the lower taxed per capita (state and local combined)…….and our right wingers call for a decrease in spending….duh
    and yes, that is a fair answer………where is the senate finance committee chairman supposed to come up with money? bring back the abuser feees? impeach the supreme court?

    andthat is fair about the immigrants……….fcs, lets kick them and keep them down……duhhhhh

  42. Montesino said on 2 Mar 2008 at 5:30 pm:
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    Being a good conservative myself , I am dumbfounded at the actions of Quayle, Stolle and Norment. It is hard for us to say the dems defeated HB623 when these spineless examples of conservatives did a “duh, I’m not gonna vote” and two more abscounded with no vote! Hats off to those that did vote for it, but sadly the republicans cannot blame the dems for the defeat. I can only hope we have more honest choices the next election year. I know that sounds like a fairy tale but one can only hope!

  43. CitizenofManassas said on 2 Mar 2008 at 10:03 pm:
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    Dolph,

    You really need to read his letter. He admits to saying he would not support a gas tax, yet thought it was needed after the recall of the abusive driver fees.

    Same goes for the in State tuition for illegals. He now says if they have been here for a minimum number of years and on the “path” to Citizenship, he says he supports in-State tuition for them.

    Not my words, not my opinion, those are his words.

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