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When The Left Becomes Unhinged, Again
By Greg L | 5 March 2008 | Blogs | 30 Comments
I think I’m really beginning to understand “Bush Derangement Syndrome” is, because there seems to be a local variant, with yours truly as the target of a level of hysterical ranting that makes Barbra Streisand appear rational by comparison. Not that I never expected that the far left would ever leave me alone, but I would have never imagined that the local socialist brigade would become so unhinged. I guess that’s what happens when the electorate soundly rejects the message you’re trying to promote, time after time, vote after vote.
Case in point: about a week ago I got tipped off about the writings of someone named Katherine Mercurio Gotthardt. I had never heard of this person before, but she sure had heard about me it would seem. She used to work with the Prince William County School’s Adult Education ESOL program until, as she puts it, she was ‘”drummed out of town” because certain “educators” and “professionals” (I use the terms lightly) didn’t like what I stood for.”‘ This is the same professional pedigree as Nancy Lyall and Teresita Jacincto of Mexicans Without Borders, which has got to start raising some questions about some of the hiring practices going on with the schools. She doesn’t seem to have been involved in local politics until fairly recently, and would appear to be mostly harmless hard-core socialist, for the most part.
Here’s a better idea. Get rid of guns. Guns are for cops and for soldiers, sometimes for trained and licensed hunters. Right to bear arms? Fine. Carry a damn Swiss Army knife and let the rest of us live. (ref)
Then Gotthardt decided to jump in with both feet into the immigration debate, not to argue that it’s a good idea to allow illegal aliens to unlawfully reside in the community, because that’s a loser of an argument, but to try to paint me as a member of the Nazi party and a member of the KKK who is one small step away from becoming a mass-murderer. Here’s one of the first items I was alerted to:
kgotthardt said on 26 Feb 2008 at 10:31 am: I don’t know that Greg is a Nazi, but his obsession with this who thing, his general demeanor, his control-freakishness and yes…his open affilitation with the military (sorry to say and no offense to any good soldier) mark the signs of a madman. I am telling you, this guy is just plain SCARY….the kind of guy who keeps bombs in the basement or wigs out in a tower somewhere. He can say I’m a moonbat or whatever he likes, but at least I’m not a threat to society. His poor wife and child….I think about them a lot.
Veterans, the left are clearly not your friends. And there’s more:
kgotthardt said on 3 Mar 2008 at 4:48 pm: Joe, I’d be scared to talk to GL. His videos, his connections with hate groups, his rhetoric, the way he posts people’s personal information on his website, cyber-stalks etc. mark a person who is not well. That he has a group of followers is even scarier. I’m not a professional, but I can tell you from listening to his statements–the way he contradicts himself and changes his entire demeanor and stance–there’s something wrong with him. It might not come out in the few conversations you have had, but it’s there.
Oh, and I’m the cyber-stalker here? Then there’s this:
kgotthardt said on 3 Mar 2008 at 7:03 pm:
As to the KKK and skinheads, yes they have aligned themselves with groups related to HSM. GL and Co. will deny it–but what he said after was even more important: he didn’t NEED the KKK to accomplish what he wanted. In other words, he thinks he is the King and he KNOWS he has enough backing to do whatever he wants. Why? Because groups like his have FAIR. They have Corey Stewart and John Stirrup in their pockets. They have people who support organized and legalized harassment and discrimination.
I guess she missed that HSM was the first organization to denounce the leafletting by the KKK, and actually alerted the media to it. But letting the facts get in the way of a good rant, well, that makes it hard to focus on calling people the anti-christ without showing what a nut you are.
Gotthardt publishes a rarely-read blog, where she’s apparently been at this for some time. Occasionally readers urge her to temper her language lest she run into legal troubles as a result of her incoherent rantings, but what makes it through this relatively ineffectual filter of rationalism is more of the same:
The BOCS has used input from a racist group to write and implement this policy. This is not to say every member of Help Save Manassas is racist. But there is no doubt in my mind that the group’s leader IS racist, is driven by a lust for power, and has ties to white supremacist organizations. Ask yourself who has ties to which groups and why anyone wants to be the “power” behind the Help Save Manassas “movement” instead of giving credit to the KKK. (from Why Are You So Angry?, which seems somewhat misdirected here)
So what could possibly be underpinning all this bizarre vitrol? Maybe it has something to do with a political outlook that some would consider a little novel for Prince William County:
[Nadia writes] Thus the Zapatistas…and Subcomandante Marcos. One day I will tell you how I met him in Chiapas and even dared sending him a romantic note…
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[Gotthardt responds] Nadia, tell me about Zapatistas and your love letter. : )
Seriously, there are so many misconceptions about La Raza and other Hispanic organized groups. Rumor has it that they are terrorists, that they are trying to overtake our country, that they are one big criminal gang. What’s up with them? (from PWC’s Resolution to Persecute: A Conversation With Nadia)
Subcommandante Marcos? You mean this Subcommandante Marcos, the leader of the Zapatista Army of National Liberation, and inspiration for Mexicans Without Borders?
I guess you could consider him somewhat of a romantic figure, if you’re in the same group of folks that would have considered Che Guevara a romantic figure when he wasn’t obviously busy murdering hundreds of political prisoners in Cuba. Given that Subcommandante Marcos has lead an armed guerrilla movement in Mexico for over ten years that is responsible for displacing thousands of people from their homes, murdered political opponents with chain saws, exploded bombs in Mexico City killing innocent civilians, occupied several cities by military force, and runs around wearing ski masks and waving machetes, perhaps she can forgive us for confusing these radical anarchists and communists such as these with terrorists.
So how do you deal with a hard-left nutcase that runs around and tells folks that you’re a skinhead nazi party member, a member of the KKK, and such? After a little thought, it seemed that sending a polite note asking them to knock it off would be the best way to handle this, which I did the other night:
Ms. Gotthardt,
It has come to my attention that you’ve been publishing some rather creative stories about me. I took a look for myself, and am rather impressed with your fertile imagination, although I’d suggest there might be more productive and less risky ways to employ it.
My first inclination in these cases is usually to hit back hard, but I’d like to give you an opportunity for you to demonstrate that you actually live by the values you profess. If raising the quality of the debate, and working to bring people together is a goal you’re really interested in working towards, false and defamatory accusations that I am an affiliate of the KKK or the Nazi Party are probably not productive to that end. I’ve made mistakes in my life, and sometimes a gentle reminder of the values I really want to live by have been all it took for me to set aside my natural tendencies to be combative, and allow me to step back and be more deliberate about what I was trying to do. It’s time to pass that opportunity on to you, so you might have the chance to benefit from it as I have.
I can appreciate that you might vigorously disagree with me, and I’ve no problem with that. I’m pretty sure you have a preferred means of engaging in a public debate which would lend credibility to the arguments you make, if I am reading your writings correctly. If you had the opportunity to do all this over again, in some cases might have made different decisions.
Consider this that opportunity. You can clean up your writings to make them something you’re proud of, and I’ll continue to hold off on responding to them. No need to say anything about it, apologize, or publicly acknowledge a thing. We raise the level of the debate before it risks going into some potentially disturbing territory, and continue this public debate in a manner that you’d probably find much more worthy of the community we are trying to improve.
Take a day or two to think about this before you respond. It took me several days of reflection and prayer to arrive at this as perhaps the best means of resolving this problem. Deciding what to do here might take some time. Neither of us need act with undue haste.
Of course, if you really feel that personal warfare between us is a good idea, we can do that too. Before that happens, you might want to speak with a guy by the name of Greg Bouchillon in Centreville, as he and I had a spat for a while, which I am very pleased to say has been entirely resolved and we are now good friends. He can tell you from personal experience what it’s like to try this tack with me, and may provide you with some valuable insight from his experience. He runs the blog “Daily Whackjob” at http://dailywhackjob.com/ and can be emailed at [redacted].
When you’ve had a chance to reflect, I’d be interested to hear how you would like to proceed.
With warmest regards,
Greg Letiecq
Gotthart’s reaction certainly seems consistent with her past behavior. This comment showed up on another site within hours, and instead of resolving this disagreement, I apparently have only made her even more unhinged than she was before. Perhaps some of her friends will talk some sense into her, before I have to start considering further action to put an end to this potentially legally actionable behavior.
kgotthardt said on 5 Mar 2008 at 8:19 am: I received a note from GL himself this morning. Apparently, he doesn’t appreciate my reference to him as a “neo-Nazi.” He claims I said he was a member of the KKK and the Nazi party, which I did not. I said HSM had support from members like these, which he does (even if he didn’t WANT that support). The KKK doesn’t support just ANYONE. Obviously, the mission of HSM matches theirs.
I said there was no evidence he was a neo-Nazi.
However, he ACTS like a Nazi.
It’s the same thing as calling someone xenophobic.
I forwarded the email to some friends and have blocked GL from my email. I thought this was the best thing to do, since he blocked me from his site. And he has threatended to put me on some “daily whackjob” site. He wants to call me a whack job. He better watch his step. He’s already made fun of disabilities, religious choices, and gender identification on his site. Some of those, I KNOW are directed at me.
The proof is in the videos. The proof is in his words. The proof is in his “policy.” I don’t NEED any proof to support MY behavior because I know how I act and how I am and so do MANY others.
From here on out, I will not address GL and his hateful, threatening, manipulative mannerisms.
I guess dialog with the left just isn’t possible, despite their continued complaints that there isn’t enough of that happening. Oh, well. There’s always “plan B”.
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Wow. Just wow.
Typical Leftist. Rather than debating the issue of illegals with some reasonably coherent arguments she simply launched a bunch of ad hominem attacks on Greg with the hope that some will stick or at least make people leary of associating with HSM/HSOD.
This person is mean, hateful and stupid. God help her.
They don’t believe in God!
Greg, don’t feed the trolls. Seriously.
This constant drumbeat of KKK/Nazi by those on the Left trivializes what the KKK/Nazis really did and just shows how truly ignorant they are. If the members of HSM were what the Gotthardt says they are there would be, among other things, beatings, firebombings of homes and businesses, murders and everything else that the other German political parties and blacks in the Democrat run South were subjected to during the Nazi and Klan terrors
Shame on them.
With that low level of reading comprehension, this Gotthardt would fit in well as one of Ben Tribbett’s or Lowell Feld’s guest writers! LOL
Do trolls eat Ka-ka? It sure seems to be what they regurgitate…
Looks like Gotthardt is engaged in an old ploy of trying to discredit the message by discrediting the messenger. I hope she knows that most of the residents in this county are too smart to fall for that. Maybe she doesn’t and that’s why she continues her diatribe.
I still can’t get over Nancy Lyall telling illegal aliens that they should no longer drive without a license. Earth to Nancy. Earth to Nancy. Nancy, you are not supposed to drive without a driver’s license. I still am amazed that you were hired by the PWC schools.
I can’t help but wonder why those two pictures were put in this blog - again? Gotthardt didn’t put them in, did she? She sounds a little odd, so she might have done just that.
Ted,
I find your remark about the ‘democrat run south’ to be offensive. Please note that most of the democrat run south became republicans. I am not chosing political sides here…but more or less stating facts.
TDB,
It probably isn’t a good idea to go out on a limb about whether other people believe in God. That is just one of those things that people get to declare for themselves.
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…she was ‘”drummed out of town” because certain “educators” and “professionals” (I use the terms lightly) didn’t like what I stood for….”‘
I am curious as to why “educators” and “professionals” are taken lightly? Is this distain for Prince William Educators? I would hope anyone who felt this way would find a good private school or call Miss Patty for home school advice.
For the record, I do not know this woman and I do not live in PW County. I am an outside observer. As such I can assure you that though you are a hero to some, for the most part you come across as a bit unhinged to most people who have seen or heard you speak, even more so when they are directed to your website and read your creative postings.
On several occasions you clearly credited Ms. Godhart with statements that she did not make, at least not in the cut and paste that you provided. And hmmmm….the fact that you dedicated such a long post to this woman seems to imply that you are quite concerned with the attention that she has paid to you. There is a thinly veiled, pathetic little threat in your ever so gentile letter to her which, by the way, would provide good bathroom reading for a psychiatrist. If I recived that letter I would find no better use for it than to wipe my arse as it is no more than the rantings of a very insecure man.
Good show mate, ever the entertainer.
Excuse me, but the American Communist Party had a table set up admidst Mexicans w/o Borders on 10/16/07. I never heard that MWB denounced that connection.
patty, from your response above….”There is a thinly veiled, pathetic little threat in your ever so gentile letter to her which, by the way, would provide good bathroom reading for a psychiatrist. If I recived that letter I would find no better use for it than to wipe my arse as it is no more than the rantings of a very insecure man.”
please spell correctly, unless Greg really did send a non Jewish (gentile) letter to this person? and i assume she “received” the letter. ah but of course, it is the expression of the thought rather than the proper grammer and spelling that matter. no wonder she was canned by PWC schools.
if you find Greg so insecure, and his site full of rants, why are you here? and i actually found this post about Katherine Mercurio Gotthardt to be rather amusing. nice to finally get the confirmation as to the political leanings of those who teach our children so clearly stated.
I stand corrected - I’ll give my spell check a good talking to. genteel, received, and ass.
Why am I here? Sometimes it is because I enjoy correcting misinformation, other times just to while the time away, but mainly and most obviously because this is a blog that for better or worse attracts a lot of attention and has had an undeniable impact in PW County politics. Don’t get too flattered, Hillary Clinton attracts a lot of attention and has even more followers.
Why are you here? To get constant confirmation that you are views are correct, to vent? Do tell darling.
And my name isn’t Patty Sherlock Holmes.
Dolph,
Between the end of the “recent unpleasantness” until 1964, the Democratic Party had almost complete control of the states of the former Confederacy, which was of course, the heartland of the KKK. I would wager that the vast majority of those who marched in their hood and robes during the 20s and 30s in Washington, DC were proud Democrats. See the article on the 1924 Democratic national convention in yesterday’s Post and read about how an anti-Klan resolution was voted DOWN at this convention. I wonder who voted against it, northern Democrats or southern Democrats?
And I wonder who those who enforced Jim Crow during the 40s and 50s voted for for President, Roosevelt or Wilkie, Truman or Dewey, Eisenhower or Stevenson, Nixon or Kennedy?
And who was Bill Clinton’s mentor in Arkansas? None other than that well know segregationist, William Fulbright. Oh, and the Civil Rights laws of the 60s were almost unanimously opposed by southern Democrats (to include the Al Gore Sr.) and would have never become law without the votes of Republicans.
Just stating facts.
Sounds like KMG is choosing to “stagnate and decline.”
This woman clearly demonstrates that she is an irrational leftist, and she hasn’t the slightest idea regarding torts. On numerous occasions she has wilfully published comments intended to cause you personal and professional damage. She calls you a Nazi, yet admits she has no proof. Maybe in her lefty dictionary “Nazi” is synonymous with “xenophobe” but having a limited vocabulary won’t be an effective legal defense, especially from a self-described “educator”. I hope you sue her. Maybe a few grand in legal expenses might make her and the rest her lefty crowd think twice about what they say in the future.
ceejay,
Please don’t confuse me with valleygirl.
Ted,
The parties more or less flip flopped. I am not really sure of your point. My point is that most of those democrats became republicans.
well now miss valley girl, aren’t we the sensitive flower? poor thing.
“I stand corrected - I’ll give my spell check a good talking to. genteel, received, and ass.
Why am I here? Sometimes it is because I enjoy correcting misinformation, other times just to while the time away, but mainly and most obviously because this is a blog that for better or worse attracts a lot of attention and has had an undeniable impact in PW County politics. Don’t get too flattered, Hillary Clinton attracts a lot of attention and has even more followers.
Why are you here? To get constant confirmation that you are views are correct, to vent? Do tell darling.”
no “darling”, i don’t need confirmation of my views, because i don’t need anyone to tell me WHAT i think. i’ve been thinking freely since i voted in my first presidential election in 1980. but you apparently need help. sucks to have no opinion of your own, poor baby.
apparently you don’t get that whole free thinking thing, or you wouldn’t have brought up Hillary in this forum. i guess you think since i’m a girl of a certain age (53) i should be supporting her? why would that be? she doesn’t have a single damn position that i agree with. so she and i both have ta-tas, and neither of us have dingles. oh yeah, just let me run out and vote for this chick with tits! dream on. Mark Penn was an absolute idiot when he stated that even Republican women would vote for Hillary just because she is a woman. Republican women know how to think for themselves, and we actually question why our democratic gender sisters obviously can’t do the same.
back atcha, darling.
patty, i’m sorry, i didn’t mean to confuse you and the valley chick. long nite lwatching the sorta super tuesday, and up early for work. tired.
According to the other blog, this woman has, evidently, contacted the police:
kgotthardt said on 5 Mar 2008 at 12:06 pm:
Anyway, I had a very nice officer visit me this morning about this whole thing. He spent over an HOUR with me, talking about what the police are and are not doing. He came back with an informational pamphlet. If anyone wants to hear it, the number is 703-792-4750 X1599, Officer P.C. Sunby. He said if he is not there, someone else would be happy to speak with us.
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She shouldn’t be contacting the police. She should be shopping for a good lawyer, for the purposes of defending herself from a lawsuit. Just because someone is a public figure, it doesn’t mean that she can make claims such as “ties to white supremist and Nazi groups” and get away with it.
I like how he draws a conclusion about the entire left based on the actions of just one person. I guess he thinks every U.S. marine is a puppy tosser. Those of us with half a brain know better.
Based on the actions of just one person?
We should be so lucky.
http://www.moonbattery.com/
“…or you wouldn’t have brought up Hillary in this forum. i guess you think since i’m a girl of a certain age (53) i should be supporting her?”
Well, you are sassy ceejay. Sadly, you missed the boat entirely on that one. A for spirit d for reading comprehension.
It was not a comment about you or who you may or may not be supporting, though I would have assumed it certainly would not be Hillary. My point was bvbl recieves a lot of attention and has a lot of supporters, but attention and supporters alone do not equate to a sound mind and integrity - case in point, Hillary Clinton - a woman I feel posseses neither. Relax a llittle.
Old guy,
I do believe if that were the case, that everyone’s blog behavior would instantly improve. The insertion of civility would take away much of the fun and blogging would become a passtime of only the very geekiest of people.
I take would be if you cannot take the heat, stay out of the kitchen, to all involved.
edit: MY take would be….
My only problem is with your premise, Greg: “The Left BECOMES Unhinged”? Hardly. It is their natural state of being.