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Debate With John Steinbach, Part 2

By Greg L | 7 March 2008 | Zapatistas, Illegal Aliens, Prince William County | 6 Comments

In this segment, John Steinbach suggests that Help Save Manassas Join with Mexicanos Sin Fronteras to help improve education, healthcare, and the availability of affordable housing in Prince William County. If they’re willing to help us reduce the number of illegal aliens unlawfully residing in the community which contribute to school overcrowding and explosive demand growth for expensive ESOL resources, reduce the number of illegal aliens who overcrows hospital emergency rooms and then skip on the bill leaving the rest of us to shoulder the costs, I think we can strike a deal. As far as affordable housing goes, after watching illegal aliens run up the real estate market financed by sub-prime exotic loans and then pack these houses, the implosion of this ponzi scheme is resolving the problem of a lack of affordable housing pretty quickly. Prices have dropped substantially, and single family residences are once again within the financial reach of the middle class.

Steinbach makes the suggestion in this segment that the only reason there are illegal aliens is because it’s too difficult to immigrate into the country legally. That’s a novel suggestion that presupposes that there is a right for any foreign national to immigrate into the United States, and an obligation on the United States to accept them. Were this unique worldview adopted as policy, how many foreign nationals would want to take advantage of such a policy, which exists in no other country on earth? Ten million? A hundred million? How about a billion or more? I’m sure the United States would be a really swell place if our population went from 300 million to a billion in five years just to accommodate all those foreign nationals who would want to escape the conditions in their own countries. We’d look like Chad in two years, and live almost as well.

My favorite here is that Seinbach seems to think it’s a waste of time to train Prince William County Police Officers in civil rights laws. Yeah, it sure does get in the way of the dreams of Mexicans Without Borders to get a taxpayer-funded windfall legal settlement if Police Officers can do their job in a fair and lawful manner, and aren’t a convenient target for the legion of lawyers they have lined up.

And Jimmy in Fairfax, here is where you want to go.

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  1. Patty said on 7 Mar 2008 at 10:25 pm:
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    Earth to John S. Earth to John S. The majority of murders committed in Prince William County for 2007 were committed by illegal aliens. John S. you have just demonstrated to the viewers that you are out of touch with reality.

    By the way, John S., I think all officers should be trained on civil rights. I don’t think that is a waste of taxpayer money.

    John S., now that I’ve seen you debate, I actually think Nancy L. did a better job than you.

  2. redawn said on 7 Mar 2008 at 11:13 pm:
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    I see that the times that I noted below are where the FINE line of words turns into the BS debate that is and will continue if a person does NOT educate themselves albeit, legal or no legal “human”

    A PLAY/SPIN on WORDS such as illegal “alien” or illegal “immigrant”

    This cleared up and the difference between the 2 and why you hear or see the Media or groups debate and CANNOT move FORWARD.

    In MY eyes and ears an EXCUSE!

    It is “the line in the sand” that NEEDS first and foremost CLARIFICATION before just THESE 2 groups can move forward RESPECTFULLY and TRUTHFULLY. ( as some form of media/ or person will use the difference in words but NOT the debate to spread the word)

    0:30 of THIS clip and @ 3:23 of the 1st clip posted

  3. redawn said on 7 Mar 2008 at 11:30 pm:
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    I was pre-occupied when I left the prior post.

    I am just saying that @ 3:23 of the first clip, LISTEN to how the PLAY on words START and follow up with the second clip ( this thread) @ 0:30, you will hear it AGAIN..the fine line in the sand.

    The confusion of John saying immigrant and non documented… flipping between the two and not clarifying by saying legal or non.

  4. Anonymous said on 8 Mar 2008 at 1:51 am:
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    maybe we could call them uninvited individuals in our country… does that sound nicey nicey enough?

  5. legal2 said on 8 Mar 2008 at 8:40 am:
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    Aren’t these aging hippies that defend illegal aliens (cause du jour), the same ones that fear-mongered about overpopulation in the ’60’s? Aren’t they worried about the “overpopulation” happening in all the neighborhoods across the nation? I think they’re schizoid.

  6. Bridget said on 8 Mar 2008 at 11:16 am:
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    Not so much schizoid as conniving, manipulative, two-faced hypocrites.

    Check out the picture at the end of this article:


    Had to read that one twice. “Because We Reproduce We Demand.” WTH?

    What next? Kent Brockman saying “I, for one, welcome our new breeder overlords.”?

    “Reproduction for we, but not for thee” Some breeders are apparently more welcome than others.

    Here are our marching orders:

    “… create wealth so it can be used for others.”


    When it comes to this “entire human family” deal, it’s pretty clear who gets to play the adults, and who gets to play the perpetual children.

    Clear who is expected to provide the care, and who expects to get cared for.

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