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Mexicans Without Borders And “Sex Workers”

By Greg L | 8 March 2008 | Zapatistas, Illegal Aliens, Crime, Prince William County | 39 Comments

Fox 5 had an unusual segment on last night’s broadcast about what’s going to happen with illegal alien prostitutes that seemed to suggest that special treatment would be given to any illegal alien who is suspected of being a prostitute, just in case they happened to be the victim of coercion.  They interviewed an attorney in Arlington and Nancy Lyall of Mexicans Without Borders for the story, who gave their somewhat unique interpretation of Prince William County Police Chief Deane’s comments.  How legitimate concern for prostitutes who were being held against their will by slavers could somehow morph into special protections for any prostitute who happened to be an illegal alien is beyond me, at least until I ran across this when trying to figure it out:

With our own voice we have defended the hammer and sickle of the Communists, the A of anarchists and libertarians, the skinheads, punks, goths, la banda, la raza, organizations dedicated to self-determination, sex workers, those who advocate abstaining from voting or dissolving the vote or those to whom it does not matter if the people vote or not, the work of the alternative media, those who use and abuse the power of the word, the intellectuals who have joined the Other Campaign,… (SubCommandante Marcos, as quoted in “Narco News“)

The Zapatista Army of National Liberation apparently has a contingent of “sex workers” associated with the EZLN’s “Other Campaign” of which Mexicans Without Borders has openly pledged their solidarity and assistance.  While this doesn’t mean at all that Mexicans Without Borders has their own contingent of “comfort women” to relieve the stress of their soldiers, it does help provide some context to what Nancy Lyall was doing the other evening when her intent was quite obviously to protect all illegal alien prostitutes from being deported by law enforcement rather than protect them from the human traffickers who enslave them.  This isn’t about protecting these women from the human scum that abuses them on a daily basis, it’s about protecting them from the police, who are the only ones likely to deliver them from this living hell.
As I watched the segment last evening, I kept waiting to see Nancy Lyall describe the horrific plight of women who are either sold into slavery at a young age and exploited as prostitutes, or the women lured across the border with promises of the great American promise only to find themselves trapped in the clutches of human trafficking syndicates.  These syndicates imprison these women and girls and force them to service dozens of clients a day at $30 a pop so their slaver can earn tens of thousands of dollars in profits a year.  It never happened.  Instead, Lyall brushed past any of this and implied that every illegal alien prostitute should automatically be considered the victim of coercion, and be given blanket protection from any efforts to even ask them about their legal status.  It’s a perfect means to ensure that illegal alien prostitutes who aren’t legitimately being abused can get a chance to disappear and pick up their trade elsewhere.

This could have been that rare and magic moment when opponents on the immigration issue could have found at least one piece of common ground.  I couldn’t imagine anyone not immediately leaping to condemn sexual slavery and urge that law enforcement do everything they can to put an end to this despicable outrage, but there it was.  The huge tragedy got short shrift so that Mexicans Without Borders could advocate against law enforcement efforts to reduce prostitution within the illegal alien community and deport those responsible for it.  What a lost opportunity.
I suppose that any organization that says that the United States is the greatest terrorist nation in the world (which is pretty laughable when their membership is largely made up of people so desperate to get here that they did so unlawfully) might also hold some rather unusual policy positions about “sex workers” and the appropriate level of legal restrictions that should apply to them.  The media should ask Mexicans Without Borders about this, although I’m just about certain they never will.  It would be against their interests to upset feminists by pointing out that Mexicans Without Borders might be supporting the sexual exploitation of women.



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39 Comments

  1. just news said on 8 Mar 2008 at 2:50 pm:
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    This reminds me of the Mariel boat lift of the early 80′. At that time, most if not all marielitos were given protection from extradition because when asked if they were political prisoners or criminals who had just been excarcerated, the former was always given as an answer, although the latter applied in all of the cases because Castro would Never let the political prisoners out to be able to speak about the realities of Cuba.

    Now, we are going to have a situation where if a special situation is created in the prosecution of the prostitutes’ illegalilty that allows them to be exempt in virtue of their possible coercion into the “business”, I am sure that every prostitute who is captured or questioned will immediately declare that she has been coerced, thereby providing for herself enough leeway to ensure her evasion.

    Cases of true coercion must be prosecuted vigorously, but in this very chaotic atmosphere that has been created by advocates of illegal immigrants, these efforts to protect prostitutes under the aegis of victim status will make it harder for law enforcement to prosecute the white slave trader and their ability to help the true victims.

  2. Bridget said on 8 Mar 2008 at 3:26 pm:
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    http://www.vdare.com/walker/071101_visas.htm

    http://www.vdare.com/allen/t_visas.htm

  3. Bridget said on 8 Mar 2008 at 3:37 pm:
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    http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2007/11/12/victim-visa-strikes/

  4. Bridget said on 8 Mar 2008 at 3:44 pm:
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    http://www.vdare.com/allen/051228_schey.htm

  5. Arlington Minority said on 8 Mar 2008 at 3:48 pm:
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    It’s not about legality. Rather it’s about victimhood, and about how those on the anti-illegal alien side are by default responsible due to their singular focus on the law. The goal is to have courts so gridlocked with the infinite nuances of tragic situations that illegal alien enforcment will be lost. The fact that Fox 5 sought wisdom from an attorney from Arlington, where victimhood reigns, should be a clue.

  6. legal2 said on 8 Mar 2008 at 5:22 pm:
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    But, if they claim they were coerced, and they are illegal, should they not be RETURNED to their country of origin?

  7. Anonymous said on 8 Mar 2008 at 6:34 pm:
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    REMEMBER……..they only come here to do the JOBS that Americans won’t!
    They are providing a SERVICE for this country and we should be happy that they provide it. (tongue in cheek) oops

  8. Mae said on 8 Mar 2008 at 7:51 pm:
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    If there wasn’t a high demand in this twisted county for prostitutes, people would not set up shop or stay long if they did. To all the citizens who pay for (but too ashamed to admit) prostitutes………you encourage the mistreatment of these women and girls and you should all be punished and deported to hell. When are people going to realize that OUR government has allowed this to happen? When is the finger going to be pointed at the government for so many undocumented people living here? Why does everyone speak so quickly and act so judgemental toward undocumented people? I dare you to live one week without using a service, object or product that isn’t manufactured by an undocumented worker. Think about it on your way to work tomorrow. The asphalt you are driving on, the coffee you are drinking, the bagel you are eating, the house you are living in, the grass in your front yard, the salad with your dinner, the prostitute you slept with last night

  9. Greg L said on 8 Mar 2008 at 8:15 pm:
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    So I am to blame because there are so many houses stuffed to the with illegal alien day laborers who then blow part of their daily paycheck on a cheap “triente” whore? In case you missed it, these whorehouses are advertised by handing business cards out in spanish. I’m not their demographic.

    By all means, try to convince me that I’m wrong by alleging that I don’t mow my own lawn, do my own home improvements, or can’t manage to make it through the day without the assistance of an illegal alien, without whom I would certainly be doomed to a nomadic existence where I would survive by eating tree bark and whatever bugs I can find among the leaf litter. I’m sure you’ll win over a whole lot of folks that way.

  10. ceejay said on 8 Mar 2008 at 8:25 pm:
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    oh fer Pete’s sake, Mae, get a freaking grip! there has been prostitution as far back as history has been recorded. it has nothing to do with our government or any other!

    this is something that irritates the heck out of me. yes, i want the illegal aliens to go back to their own countries and come back the legal way. i grow weary of my tax dollars paying for them. but i also recognize that illegal aliens are more vulnerable to crime in our society. and i don’t want them to be exploited.

    as for living a week without the services of an illegal alien, i do the best i can. we do our own yard work, i clean my own house, we only emply firms that emply American citizesn or legal immigrants. actually, Mae, you are supporting another of my positions. i’m all for prosecuting those who knowingly hire illegal aliens. then i can drive whereever the hell i want!

    as for where i slept last night? why sugar, it was right alongside my darling husband. deal in stereotypes much?

  11. Anonymous said on 8 Mar 2008 at 8:34 pm:
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    Just spent a day in my grad class at GMU. The topic was immigration. There was a panel discussion and one of the panelists stated that HSM was founded by members of the minutemen project and KKK members.

  12. Greg L said on 8 Mar 2008 at 8:40 pm:
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    I would be very interested in getting more details about this panel discussion and who made that allegation. Please email me at president at helpsavemanassas dot org.

  13. ceejay said on 8 Mar 2008 at 9:04 pm:
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    Greg L, i wouldn’t worry much about Mae. she’s already made her decision about us here. guess she never figured on so many women being members here, those women not hiring prostitutes, and those women knowing exactly where their husbands were sleeping. or that the women here tend to think for themselves, and thus do not respond well to people expecting them to be easily led.

  14. MdMan said on 8 Mar 2008 at 9:55 pm:
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    Mae’s post is the most idiotic one I have ever read on this blog. Newsflash Mae - these prostitutes are brought here, sold here, and abused here by their illegal alien brethren. Nancy Lyall, Steinbach, Juarez are selling these poor women to their own and profiting from it.

    Seriously, the sheer stupidity of MWB and anyone like Mae who trys to defend them is laughable. These people have no clue what they are talking about. I cannot wait for the day when they are gone from our midst once and for all so that no American has to waste another minute of their lives dealing with this mess. The illegal alien cabal leaves nothing but despair, depravity, and human tragedy in it’s wake from South to North. We cannot allow them, or our government, to degrade our society to the level of that which they are fleeing. Enough - Help Save America!

  15. Arlington Minority said on 8 Mar 2008 at 11:10 pm:
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    Well said, MdMan, Mexicans without Borders continues to create the market for these crimes and bears major guilt for this human cruelty. The only real solution is one day to have borders without Mexicans.

  16. Ducky said on 9 Mar 2008 at 12:19 am:
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    Greg L:
    In case you missed it, these whorehouses are advertised by handing business cards out in spanish. I’m not their demographic.

    Check out the small ads inside the Sports section of the Washington Post. The ads are there, every single day, in English.

  17. Greg L said on 9 Mar 2008 at 1:02 am:
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    I don’t subscribe to the Washington Post. I wouldn’t know.

    The recent MJM article on this talked about folks handing out business cards advertising in spanish for “House of Meat”, and the data I’m getting is that the bulk of the slave trade involves scenarios such as this.

    As far as what gets advertised in the Post’s sports pages, I have no idea. If you have information about whorehouses in Prince William County being advertised in the Washington Post, I’d appreciate it if you’d drop me a line. I would be more than happy to follow up on these and help bring those violating the law to justice. Even if it’s not a case of illegal aliens being enslaved, I am appalled by this unlawful behavior, as those who read my recent posts about a former mayor of Dumfries being convicted of running a whorehouse and my follow-up on the activities at that location should attest.

    Prostitution is a horrible blight on our community. I want to fight this regardless of the circumstances, and would appreciate any assistance in this regard that you can provide.

  18. Ducky said on 9 Mar 2008 at 3:43 am:
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    Yes, I recall the articles about former mayor Melvin Bray’s rather bawdy establishment. Last I heard, it had reopened in the same location, under different management?

    Anyway, it would be extraordinarily naive to believe that illegal aliens are the only ones frequenting such establishments:

    Senior Official Linked to Escort Service Resigns
    April 27, 2007 8:58 PM

    Brian Ross and Justin Rood Report:

    Deputy Secretary of State Randall L. Tobias submitted his resignation Friday, one day after confirming to ABC News that he had been a customer of a Washington, D.C. escort service whose owner has been charged by federal prosecutors with running a prostitution operation.

    On Thursday, Tobias told ABC News he had several times called the “Pamela Martin and Associates” escort service “to have gals come over to the condo to give me a massage.”

    Tobias, who is married, said there had been “no sex,” and that recently he had been using another service “with Central Americans” to provide massages.

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/04/senior_official.html

  19. Bridget said on 9 Mar 2008 at 4:05 am:
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    http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/092507/met_202824483.shtml

  20. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 9 Mar 2008 at 5:55 am:
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    Ducky said “Anyway, it would be extraordinarily naive to believe that illegal aliens are the only ones frequenting such establishments:”

    Ducky……..there you go again! The classic “since legal residents do it, no sense in doing anything about it” argument. Pathetic. Bottom-line…if illegal immigrants are ousted; the “cat houses” will be ousted (which = less illegals and less “cat houses”)…WHICH IS A GREAT THING!

  21. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 9 Mar 2008 at 6:22 am:
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    REQUIRED READING: http://www.legion.org/documents/legion/pdf/illegalimmigration.pdf
    Please pass this American Legion Policy Paper to everyone you know.

  22. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 9 Mar 2008 at 6:56 am:
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    http://vitter.senate.gov/bordersecuritycaucus.html
    It is about time we got some “real” representation. People that actually know what they are doing (based on real information not emotionalism).

  23. MdMan said on 9 Mar 2008 at 7:15 am:
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    Ducky,

    Those ads are almost entirely Asian “massage parlors” of the happy ending variety, if you get my drift. I know this because I have 2 close friends who are police officers. What this blog is talking about are true whore houses that cater almost exclusively to the illegal alien trade. Get you head out of your Axx.

    I canceled my POST subscription long ago. So what does it say to you that the ultra liberal POST would run these ads? When you break it down, liberalism at its core is a self serving dehumanizing sickness.

  24. MdMan said on 9 Mar 2008 at 8:31 am:
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    Bridget - great link.

    Ducky - open the link and read about half way down. That essentially refutes your argument. These women and girls are raped for sport just to get accross the border, and then enslaved by their own for the exclusive abuse of their own. Open your damn eyes for once. It’s a rotten machismo culture, not compatible with Westerrn values. Mexico, for Pete’s sake has women only buses and subways, and it’s not because the women are shy. It’s because they are constantly harrassed. Yes, I want Mexico to have borders.

    Hard as it may be for people like you to realize, but folks like Greg are helping these people in the long run far more than MWB. I guarantee you that on an individual basis, Greg has more compassion for these people then you can possibly imagine. And to a person, the patriotic folks fighting this intrusive alien culture would never treat a human being this way.

    Now, who’s side are you on?

  25. Rick Bentley said on 9 Mar 2008 at 9:39 am:
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    When you think about it, the prices charged by prostitutes are generally exorbitant. It only makes sense that an influx of cheap labor from the South can reduce the rate of labor. I guess this is what “social conservatives” like George Bush and Juan McCain have been trying to do. Maybe the new prostitutes are willing to do jobs Americans won’t do …

    Seriously, I don’t think most of these women are victims so much as trying to seize an illegal opportunity to come here. They deserve punishment for what they do, generally. Amnesty for hookers would be a bad idea. Or is the idea amnesty for hookers who speak only Spanish - two sets of rules, as with so many other things.

    It would be a TRIVIAL, TRIVIAL matter for law enforcement to infiltrate and bust up these rings. Apparently they don’t give much of a damn. I see a story about their existence, but no mention of any raids or arrests. Particularly in PWC where we now have 287g in effect, we could stop thi8s from happening. Could someone point out to Chief Deane what a joke it is that he doesn’t bust one of these up, if they’re all around us?

  26. Rick Bentley said on 9 Mar 2008 at 9:55 am:
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    You can do just about anything in America if you do it in Spanish. You can go around drumming up business for the House of Meat, and the people who run our society will hear it as “I love America, I work hard, I cheap labor, I probably will vote for the party in future, I help make America great”. Divorced as the people who run our society are from street level.

    Give the Post credit for this story.

  27. Atchuthan Sriskandarajah said on 9 Mar 2008 at 10:14 am:
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    I am an attorney and I can honestly say that I have met many illegal aliens and the majority of them are excellent people who are very hard working and honest. Certainly, there are quiet a few illegal aliens who commit crimes and generally create a lot of problems. However, that does not mean all illegal aliens are bad. If society wants to change the country’s policy on illegal immigration, then society needs to force this issue via the legilative process. This is apparently now happening in Prince William. Only time will tell if the new task force in Prince William is actually helping out. Regarding the issue of prostitution, this is a problem that does not discriminate based on race or country of origin. Both in terms of the prostitute and the john.

  28. Bridget said on 9 Mar 2008 at 10:19 am:
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    Let’s do, for argument’s sake, assume that every john in the U.S. is a U.S. citizen. In the world of sexual commerce, the john is the last guy in the chain.

    Someone has to be smuggling illegal alien prostitutes into the country.

    Providing them with a place and way to live. Transporting them from state to state, as well as rounding up customers.

    The smugglers, pimps and handlers… who are they?

    Shall we also assume that these prostitution rings are run by U.S. citizens?

    News report after news report provides the details.

    Aliens are smuggling aliens into the country. Aliens are running this show. The recruitment, trafficking, coersion by offering jobs that don’t exist state-side with the intention of exploitation for finacial gain … alien on alien crime. Aliens pimping out aliens to aliens.

    The illegal alien gals come over with the intent to exploit the U.S. job market for financial gain, but instead get tangled up in a web of deciet and abuse. And now we are told that this victim visa will allow them a de facto amnesty … fantastic. http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S=5578377 By all means, let’s encourage more to throw themselves in harms way and bank on victimhood as a way of life.

    http://www.aim.org/media-monitor/feds-bust-illegal-immigrant-sex-ring/

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51360

    http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0308/501976.html

    http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S=5578377

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E02E2D8153FF937A15757C0A96E958260

    http://www.humantrafficking.org/updates/515/

    http://www.local6.com/news/6516355/detail.html?rss=orlpn&psp=news

    http://sandmountainreporter.com/story.lasso?ewcd=0a4f75160241a419&page=all

    MdMan - great post.

  29. starryflights said on 9 Mar 2008 at 10:29 am:
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    An illegal alien is a criminal FIRST. That is why the word ILLEGAL is attached to alien. So how can an ILLEGAL alien be HONEST?

  30. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 9 Mar 2008 at 11:41 am:
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    Atch, not sure what kind of attorney you are. If you really are one, I am VERY SURPRISED by your position with regard to illegal aliens. First of all, if you are truly a lawyer, how could you condone people who willingly “break many laws” as an illegal alien? Let’s review…illegal aliens:
    1. Entered our country illegally.
    2. Continue to reside in our country illegally.
    3. Steal benefits (welfare, WIC, subsidized housing, etc.) that are for LEGAL residents (and they also use their anchor babies to participate in this theft).
    4. Steal social security numbers, identities, and forge documents to gain employement illegally and to operate.
    Additional NOTE: legal residents/businesses/organizations who harbor illegal aliens or “aid and abet” are committing FELONIES (according to statutes on the books).
    So if you are a true lawyer, like you said you are, what kind of a professional are you?

  31. CONVA said on 9 Mar 2008 at 11:43 am:
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    Round ‘em up and move ‘em out.

  32. starryflights said on 9 Mar 2008 at 11:56 am:
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    Yeeeee…..HAAAAAAAA!

  33. Dolph said on 9 Mar 2008 at 1:04 pm:
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    I read, and I reread. I do not see where Ducky implies that “since legal residents do it, no sense in doing anything about it” argument.

    I believe his point is, correct me Ducky, if I am wrong, that people other than illegals use the services of prostitutes. I don’t think that the issue even came up as to what to do about it.

    It stands to reason though, that if the JOHN is the employer, we should be going after the employers. Fine them. Give them jail time. Make it not worth their while. If the johns no longer provide a job, then the prostitutes will move on. If that works on illegals, then it should certainly work on illegal prostitutes. And since prostitution is a scourge, then it should work to clean up all prostitution.

    Somehow I think my logic isn’t going to work on the world’s oldest profession.

  34. Not Chief Skinner said on 9 Mar 2008 at 1:21 pm:
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    “If there wasn’t a high demand in this twisted county for prostitutes, people would not set up shop or stay long if they did.”

    Mae,

    Hate to stomp on your “all men are evil” world, but the prostitutes that are the subject of these articles are brought in to service the immigrant community. When you have thousands upon thousands of young, single male day laborers in the area, the demand is very high for these sex-slaves. Get rid of the illegal alien day laborers, and you get rid of the demand for illegal alien prostitutes.

  35. Dolph said on 9 Mar 2008 at 1:52 pm:
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    Substitute the word alien day laborers with the word army and see what you get. The term ‘hooker’ is living proof of my point. It is the human condition.

    It is also supply and demand, one of the simplest of economic concepts-or capitalism at its best.

    There is human trafficking and there is plain old prostitution. Neither are new concepts. The later are there by choice and should be treated as such. The former are victims and I would hope would not be subject to prosecution. I would hope they would be reunited with their families, wherever in the world they lived.

  36. Bl said on 9 Mar 2008 at 4:36 pm:
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    Overpopulation, congestion, urban sprawl, pollution, crime, diminishing resources, lack of affordable housing, depressed wages, underground economic, fraudulent documents, identity thief, tax invasion, soaring crime rate, increased tax burdens, overcrowded schools leading to uneducated children, overcrowded prisons, inadequate health care, the balkanization of our communities and the overall decline in our quality of life are the result of unconstrained illegal immigration! America cannot accept the worlds population. Too many people chasing too few resources is not sound economic, social or cultural policy. This is not racism but pragmatism! Every industrialized nation has taken steps to end illegal immigration and to limit legal immigration to only that which is prudent, demonstrably necessary, and above all other concerns, in the best interest of their native population. Its insane to suggest that America should not do likewise! The illegal invasion can only be understood by the corrupting influence on politicians of money for cheap labor for the Republicans or the Welfare votes for the Democrats!

  37. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 10 Mar 2008 at 7:48 am:
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    Dolph…you missed the point too! Ducky has a problem with the “since legal residents do bad things as well as illegal aliens…no sense in dealing with the illegal aliens” syndrome. Many liberal types do this. The point is….who cares who the “customers” are! If we get rid of illegal aliens and the illegal alien “cat houses” we have less illegal aliens and less illegal alien “cat houses”…all of which ARE A GREAT THING!

  38. Dolph said on 11 Mar 2008 at 7:28 am:
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    Patriot,

    There you go using that liberal word again. Not everyone defines every single attribute in this world in terms of legal vs illegal. So no, I haven’t missed the point, I am just not going to allow prostitution and all its complexities to be defined only in terms of legal vs illegal.

    In the interest of fairness, I am going to insist that all people go by the same set of rules. If it is illegal for legal folks, it will be illegal for illegal folks.

    If we fine and punish the employers, then the illegal workers will move on. In this case the employers are the johns.

  39. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 11 Mar 2008 at 7:40 am:
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    Dolph, yes, I will continue using the liberal word too! But, I did not call you a liberal (remember our agreement?). Anyway, I agree…we should punish the johns AND the illegal aliens that are participating. That will give us the greatest result in resolving several problems simultaneously.

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