Comments on: The Absent Outrage

By: wine please

wine please — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:48:39 +0000

from growing up in near-inner-city neighborhood, I knew girls who used abortions from the local clinic as a method of birth control…as in multiple abortions instead of being responsible enough to either abstain, insist on her partner wearing condoms, carrying some herself, or getting pills from the clinic instead of the abortion. They were poor enough that they got very low-cost abortions (or possibly free, judging by the frequency of a couple girls). I wish there was some way that we could prevent girls from doing something like this…but then some of that needs to come from the parents instilling some actual morals and placing value on human life.

By: Krutis

Krutis — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:01:13 +0000

Good night “ateacher”. Good vibes going your way.

By: ateacher

ateacher — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:03:49 +0000

Krustis..modern foster care requires foster parents to accept “damaged” children. By the time most children enter foster care they have been victims of years of neglect/abuse. Most are age 7 to 14 years of age. We’re not talking about infants here. We’re talking hard core kids, many with reactive attachment disorders. Most are so dangerous that social service agencies will not place these children in homes that have young children. Most children on the foster care rolls require foster parents that are certified theraputic foster care parents. These people are whom the social service agencies place the hard core kids with, the kids who will never be adopted. Every time I drive by an anti-abortion march, where the signs say “Adoption is the loving option.” I have to wonder, how many of those Catholics (and I am one) have taken a RAD child and his siblings into their home? How many have to search long and hard for thereputic resources? They judge…the rest of us adopt. What would Mary say:)

By: Krutis

Krutis — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:08:51 +0000

ateacher - I admire all people who have the heart and strength to be foster parents. Yours set a wonderful example for you and your friends. I have to admit that I probably don’t have what it takes. - Long ago, two Danish friends, who couldn’t have children of their own, adopted two girls and two boys from a Hispanic orphanage in San Jose, Calif. No, not all at the same time and they weren’t siblings The kids have all turned out very well, and the family is very close. My husband and I were fortunate enough to have children of our own when we WANTED children.
Now I’m Grandma in residence in my little neighborhood and thrive on the role.

By: ateacher

ateacher — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:03:09 +0000

I really think that there is not a single female teen or preteen, or adult female who wakes up one day and says “I can’t wait until my first abortion.” All parties involved in sex must be responsible to prevent the chance of a child if that is what they do not want. Married or single. I know there are those such as a-non who think that birthcontrol causes “spontaneous abortions”, that is so Catholic…and a reason I left the Catholic church. I’ve dealt with enough teenage mom (absent dad) parents to realize that babies having and raising babies may not be in the best interest of those babies. And Krustis my parents have been foster parents for years, and i am going forth in the classes. Currently my parents have retired from foster care, but my mom still works as a CASA for children in the system. Yes I will take them home! I will find therapy for them! At the same time, I will control my own procreation. Sorry if I offend the Catholics.

By: Loudoun

Loudoun — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:53:25 +0000

Lafayette - point taken. One must not forget about the responsible MALE in this scenario.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:00:42 +0000

The thing is, PP primarily provides low cost and no cost birth control and health services. (gynecological exams, and STD treatment) They aren’t abortion factories. They even have low or no cost vasectomies.

By: Advocator

Advocator — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:36:52 +0000

Good to have you back, Lafayette, but stop with the Lorena Bobbit talk! Even my Doberman is cringing.

By: Lafayette

Lafayette — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:02:06 +0000

Loudoun,
The female and the MALE should pay for the abortion. Certainly not our tax dollars.

There are many very effective forms of birth control available to women. However, not all are taking advantage of this. Of course those males out there always have the option of getting “snipped”, but they don’t like the idea of their “manlihood” being cut at. People need to act more responsibly and unwanted pregnancies are sure to drop.

By: Loudoun

Loudoun — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:07:47 +0000

Abortions should not be funded in any part by taxpayers.

I believe in a female’s right to choose - but my tax dollars should not pay for abortions. Let the female who chooses to have an abortion pay for that abortion.

By: Dolph

Dolph — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 04:49:40 +0000

Jane,

I don’t consider rhetoric, sound bites , and tired old arguments to be honest debate on the value of human life.

Debate on the value of human life would have to include topics like stem cell research, the death penalty, war, death with dignity, frozen embryos, and all sorts of other rascally little quirks of the human condition that simply cannot be reduced to agenda slogans.

By: Krutis

Krutis — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 01:35:37 +0000

correction: “the” should be “to”

By: Krutis

Krutis — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:26:40 +0000

Had to get back. JD - the problem is the FIND that place in this world. Any idea?

By: Jane D'oh!

Jane D'oh! — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:12:15 +0000

Krutis, who doesn’t want babies to be wanted?

The unwanted and the unloved also have a place in this world and they are of no less value than the most fortunate and “wanted” amongst us.

Dolph,

It’s unfortunate that you find debating the value of human life both boring and silly.

By: Dolph

Dolph — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:29:43 +0000

Krutis,

Total agreement here. I have grown very bored with the silliness.

By: Dolph

Dolph — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:26:42 +0000

No one is going to change anyone else’s mind through this forum. My personal belief is this: if you are female and do not condone abortion, don’t have one. If you are male and you do not condone abortion, make sure you either keep your fly up or have a vasectomy.

I have known many a person to have duck fits over abortion and ….alas…end up with an unwanted pregnancy and consequently, an abortion. It is probably good to just not judge others and to thy own self be true. It is also a good time to mind your own business.

Spare me all the links. Not interested. I have known for many years how I feel about this topic personally. I have also known for years that I don’t think it is an issue someone else can decide for me, nor I for them.

Whoever that was who said they weren’t going to pay taxes, enjoy the jail time. We don’t get a line item veto.

By: Krutis

Krutis — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:14:24 +0000

Jane D’oh! is putting words in my mouth. I have NEVER said that “they” are better off dead. I’m just sure that there are cases that neither you nor I can even imagine, where an abortion is justified.

I, for one, am out of this particular thread. Every time abortion comes up, it’s the same, same, same. There’s no simple solution. We all want all babies to be wanted. In order for that to happen, there must be a way to avoid pregnancy. (don’t come back with “abstinance” please). THAT’S what Planned Parenthood is trying to do. Planned Parenthood is a great place for women to go for advise and, yes, healthcare. As for the men who are so anti, well, they will never know what it’s like to be pregnant and desperate, will they?

The question “what would you do if your daughter became pregnant from a rape, maybe the rapist has a severe mental illness” cannot be answered because 99.9999999999999% of us sitting around pecking at a keyboard have never been faced with such a dilemma and aren’t likely to be.

By: Jane D'oh!

Jane D'oh! — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:01:48 +0000

Well, Krutis, we agree that they’re human beings.

I part ways with you though at the suggestion that they’re better off dead because they’re handicapped or may be born into less-than ideal circumstances like a single-parent household that can’t afford piano lessons.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:09:04 +0000

Krutis said on 16 Mar 2008 at 1:06 pm:
Anonymous 11:53 - That phone call is so blatantly a sting, one can smell it.

That didn’t stop them for trying to get THEIR donation at ANY COST.

By: Lafayette

Lafayette — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:11:32 +0000

Krutis,
Excellent question. Don’t hold your breath waiting for an answer.