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Illegal Alien Apologist Psychosis

By Greg L | 19 March 2008 | Loudoun County | 60 Comments

It’s awfully difficult to regard liberalism as anything other than a mental disorder. The staggering mountain of evidence to support this conclusion just got a little bigger today with an article in “Leesburg Tomorrow” which reads like a case study in abnormal psychology. The article seems to allege that the reason one member of the Hispanic community murdered another in Leesburg was that the public is demanding their government address the impacts of illegal immigration, and tries to support this contention with a set of “facts” which are such fanciful departures from reality as to be reasonably considered prima-faciae evidence of a serious mental illness.

The hispanic community in America, and here in Loudoun, has been under siege for a while. The 2007 elections saw appeals to baseless fear of the “other” who does not look or talk like us. Our neighbors to the south in Prince William are busy wasting what little money is in the county coffers hunting for people whose only crime is seeking a better life for their families (the very same thing that brought the vast majority of new people to Loudoun over the past twenty years). And it was not too long ago that the Federal Government sought to make the very act of helping a migrant a crime, turning many of the community resources, like churches, depended on by the so many immigrants, the vast majority of them legal, into potential INS checkpoints. The victim was among that legal majority, though that fact should not, and does not change our horror at his death.

The belief that illegal aliens have not violated any laws is utterly bizarre, and entirely inconsistent with plain reality. If liberals can suddenly conclude that unlawful somehow means lawful, this opens liberals up to the possibility that they may have unique inherent powers to divine the collective motivation of the majority of American citizens not as a desire to ensure law and order, but a “fear of the other”. Then these liberals claim that H.R. 4437 (2005), which sought to combat human smuggling and conspiracy to help illegal aliens evade federal law enforcement was going to transform churches into “potential INS checkpoints.”  Other articles on this site claim that Prince William County faces bankruptcy because $800,000 was transferred from an annual contingency reserve fund to the Prince William County Police Department, and that a significant majority of Americans thought that the McCain-Kennedy amnesty proposal was a fine idea and that they still support amnesty for illegal aliens.

It’s pretty clear at this point that the tragic murder of Jose Eduardo Santos-Machado at the hands of Narciso Landero-Pons was the result of a romantic dispute, and that efforts to reduce the number of illegal aliens who unlawfully reside and work in the United States had absolutely nothing to do with this.  Santos-Machado had the girl, Landero-Pons wanted the girl, and in the end Landero-Pons murdered his rival while they were both sitting in the victim’s car.  This strange conspiracy theory that criminals are murdering people because of public policy discussions when the facts clearly establish a much less exotic explanation really makes one wonder how healthy it must be to live in such a delusional space.  In order to effectively function in society, you have to have a reasonably accurate perception of reality.  Without that, your world becomes the hostage of “vast right-wing conspiracies”, fairies, and space aliens, and you run the serious risk of being elected Chairman of the national Democratic Party.

It must drive hard-core liberals to utter distraction that their mantra “illegal is really legal” isn’t gaining any traction in the electorate.  They argue incoherent nonsense, and expect that somehow the public is going to buy in if they hear it frequently enough.  It’s not working.  Basing a political philosophy on the mutual shared affliction of a mental disorder is, well, insane.

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  1. me-n-u said on 19 Mar 2008 at 2:51 pm:
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    OMG! The guys a nut bag!

  2. Sara Sota said on 19 Mar 2008 at 3:33 pm:
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    A lot of people agree with that quote from the Loudoun paper! Did you see this article from the Wall Street Journal today, about a Boston multimillionaire who posted bail for immigrants caught in a raid? I don’t think he has a mental illness.


  3. Mando said on 19 Mar 2008 at 3:47 pm:
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    If you do a little reading between the lines, you’ll notice the blogger mentions the illegal aliens are in their own little community. And my guess is that this little community is far removed from his little middle class enclave. Lets see how his tune changes when the illegals fleeing evil PWC invade his little enclave en masse.

    It’s the sheer hypocracy that burns me up. Like Sara Sota above posts, a Boston MULTIMILLIONAIRE posted bail for ILLEGAL ALIENS. WTF does he care? He’s far and removed from the flop houses. Let 100 or so illegal aliens buy the mansion nextdoor to him and see if he posts bond next time.

    It’s not a mental illness. It’s pure hypocracy and corruption.

  4. Greg L said on 19 Mar 2008 at 3:48 pm:
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    “A lot”, huh? I guess it was all those people who called into the U.S. Senate and melted the capitol switchboard screaming that they wanted amnesty for illegal aliens under McCain-Kennedy? Oh, wait. They called OPPOSING McCain-Kennedy, and IT FAILED. Maybe it’s that “a lot” of people who supported open amnesty advocates in PWC such as Manes Pierre and Hacem Djballah (or whatever his name was) who together couldn’t break above 30% in the 2007 election? Or maybe that huge public outpouring for Aricelly Panameno, who got out-polled by a write-in campaign for a HAM SANDWICH.

    This is precisely the mental disorder I was speaking of. With liberals, “a lot” is defined as “those three people who agreed with me at my last group therapy session” otherwise known as the “Manassas Democratic Committee”.

  5. Anonymous said on 19 Mar 2008 at 4:09 pm:
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    Sara Sota said on 19 Mar 2008 at 3:33 pm:
    I don’t think he has a mental illness.

    No, he has too much money and time on his hands. Coming from Boston, the capital of liberalism helps too.

  6. monticup said on 19 Mar 2008 at 4:09 pm:
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    Sarasota: Maybe this billionaire Hildreth can reimburse hospitals, prisons, schools, etc. all over the country that have had to bear the brunt of the cost of illegal aliens. I guarantee you he doesn’t have them ruining HIS community.

  7. Sara Sota said on 19 Mar 2008 at 4:22 pm:
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    Greg L, I have noticed that most of the people who make phone calls, write letters, and post online comments are people who are “against” something. Not just on the immigration issue, but in general. It must be a psychological thing. People who are “supportive” or “in favor” don’t seem to muster up the energy required to angrily sound off. Therefore just because a lot of people weigh in against something doesn’t necessarily mean an equal amount of people are not also in favor of it.

    Anyway, both sides accuse the other of conspiracies and mental disorders.

    Mando, you asked why that guy in Boston cares. It said he had made a lot of money in dealing in Latin American debt (I don’t know what that means) and wanted to give back. He had spent time in Latin America and felt for the people. Perhaps he, like many others, are uncomfortable with the idea of “raids”. But what would he do if there were a flop house next door? Good question.

  8. Greg L said on 19 Mar 2008 at 4:32 pm:
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    Therefore just because a lot of people weigh in against something doesn’t necessarily mean an equal amount of people are not also in favor of it.

    So “Sara”, if I’m understanding you correctly, just because the public seems to overwhelmingly oppose amnesty for illegal aliens, that means that the majority of Americans might actually support amnesty for illegal aliens?

    Golly, I never would have thought of that one.

  9. MP Resident said on 19 Mar 2008 at 5:00 pm:
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    Sounds like LiberalLogic(TM) to me.

  10. Sara Sota said on 19 Mar 2008 at 5:01 pm:
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    Greg L, I believe that the majority of Americans want SOMETHING to be done to stop people from entering this country illegally, and SOMETHING practical that will resolve the situation of those who are here. I am not disagreeing with you that the majority of Americans oppose amnesty for illegal immigrants! Amnesty is a loaded word. You certainly have a specific definition in mind. If you mean letting everyone off scot free, well, that’s never going to happen so there’s no point in even discussing it.

    There’s no surefire way to know what the majority of people want. Surveys slant questions to find the answer the authors seek. The best way we have is to vote. Look, McCain won the Republican nomination, so doesn’t that mean that the majority of Republicans were not put off by his stand on immigration? Or if they were, other issues took precedence over that one in their decision to vote for McCain.

    All I was saying before was that just because a newspaper or politician receives a ton of angry hate mail, doesn’t mean there are not an equal number of people who think the opposite, but who were not angry enough to fire off letters or phone calls.

  11. Wine Please said on 19 Mar 2008 at 5:06 pm:
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    Interesting Quote in the Washington Post article mentioned by “Leesburg Tomorrow” from Cardinal McCarrick: “You take what is illegal and make it criminal, and that’s a frightening thing for us.”

    I’m a little concerned that he thinks “illegal” and “criminal” are two different things. And this is a man who should feasibly, due to his great knowledge of the Bible, know what is right and wrong and God’s pronouncement to obey laws made by man unless they conflict with His laws (and, um, these don’t).

  12. Arlington Minority said on 19 Mar 2008 at 5:13 pm:
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    Sara Sota, the anger is not at the illegals. Their plight is all too obvious. The anger is at the willful disregard for the rule of law and the prospect that such anarchy will spread and push others to even greater disrespect for our laws.

  13. Greg L said on 19 Mar 2008 at 5:20 pm:
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    I believe that the majority of Americans want SOMETHING to be done to stop people from entering this country illegally, and SOMETHING practical that will resolve the situation of those who are here.

    And I suppose that “something practical” to “resolve” the situation of persons who are unlawfully working and residing in the United States in defiance of the law is what, precisely? Oh, yeah, I think you folks call this “earned citizenship”, getting a “status adjustment”, or some other euphemism for amnesty.

    Your contention that this is widely supported by the public must have some evidence to support it. Perhaps a great number of grass-roots organizations not comprised of illegal aliens are calling for amnesty? Nope. Maybe there’s a great public demand for amnesty proposals in Congress? Nope. Just where is this huge level of support for amnesty supposedly coming from?

    Sure there are folks who support amnesty. Mexicans Without Borders. The National Council of La Raza. The Socialist Workers Party. How about any national grass-roots organizations that have over 250k members? Nope. Or even a state-level organization with actual membership? It’s the radical fringes that are calling for this, along with large corporate interests that earn a huge profit by paying illegal aliens slave wages.

  14. Not Alanna Almeda said on 19 Mar 2008 at 5:29 pm:
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    I am here today to tell you that the children are scared. They are scared because their parents are in this country illegally, and have been getting WIC payments and using the school system while living 27 to a house and taking them to the emergency room every time they have the sniffles. They are scared because every six months they have to learn and answer to a new name, because their fake documents got compromised.. They are scared because they don’t want their father’s deported after he commits a felony.

    To the children I say:

    “Ninos y Ninas, Cuidado! Piso Mojado. Las Cucarachas enojadas y buscando la fiesta”.

    I am a conservative Republican, except for all of those times that I voted Democrat.

    Greg, Stewart, Stirrup and HSM are racist xenophobes and what is going on in PWC is worse than Darfur. Where do these so called “leaders” get off trying to enforce Federal Immigration law by implementing a Federal policing program. The lunacy of it all!

    I tell you what I am going to do. I am going to start a blog with eight BVBL rejects and disagree with Greg on everything he says. I’m not going to comment when an drunk illegal alien almost kills an off-duty police officer, and I most certainly won’t offer any solutions when pressed. I’ll simply claim to be “compasionate conservative”, and that I support John McCain and that should give me legitimacy. I’ll say it’s a Federal issue, and that I am against illegal immigration, except when a crackdown actually leads to deportations. And just so people will think I am sooooo smart, I am going to do it anonymously. It’s not to avoid being sued. Nope. It’s because I fear for my personal safety. No one will figure out who I am. They are just unenlightened Neanderthals. Yeah that’s it.

    And I am going to do it because the Chilrdren are scared. They are frightened damnit! These beautiful little anchor babies are scared you mean people…Boo Hoo Hoo Hoo! I am made because they look at me and say “Beware the Gringa” and scurry away. And I am scared, because all Prince William Police are racists who can’t wait to profile every Hispanic they see. My own husband got pulled over twice. TWICE! Sure, they SAID he had violated traffic laws, and I am not being fooled by their letting him off with a warning. Those racists were PROFILING him.

    It’s for the children. They are scared. Pobre pequeno ninas bonitas! They are scared.

  15. Sara Sota said on 19 Mar 2008 at 5:35 pm:
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    Greg L, it sounds like your definition of “amnesty” is anything that will be a practical solution! What DO you mean by amnesty? Do you mean anything short of deporting everyone? If so, then there really is nothing to discuss, because total deportations just won’t happen either.

    Why do you only see radical fringes???? Forget Mexicans Without Borders and the Socialist Workers Party. How about just every day people who understand why immigrants have come illegally? Yeah, we don’t like it, but the only way to solve this issue and stop them from coming is through compromise on both sides of the issue.

    Do you really not believe that compromise is the only solution???

    I guess I don’t understand what your realistic solution is, either.

    Thanks, Arlington Minority, for pointing out that the anger is not at the illegals, at least for some people.

  16. citizenofManassas said on 19 Mar 2008 at 5:45 pm:
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    Do you support the drunken illegal who this past Saturday ran over a guy on his motorcycle, and then attempted to run from the scene? How exactly is getting drunk, driving, causing an accident an attempt at seeking a better life?

    The Wall street Journal is a well known supporter of illegals, not because they feel sorry for them, not because they think illegals add to the culture of the Country, no, the WSJ, support illegals because they are a source of cheap labor. Of course, in their support of “comprehensive” immigration reform, they don’t mention how much the labor costs will increase once the illegals are provided with amnesty(they will then be able to
    demand higher wages and benefits they are no not receiving).

    Why is that? Because the WSJ, knows the “comprehensive” immigration reform would not do a thing to stem the tide of illegals, and therefore, not stem the tide of cheap labor that would just replace even more American workers and the newly amnestied illegals.

  17. monticup said on 19 Mar 2008 at 5:55 pm:
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    Illegal alien workers are “cheap” only in the short run. Having this unending supply of unskilled, illegal and cheap workers keeps businesses from innovating and mechanizing. Agribusinesses could find a way to be more efficient and innovative if it were not for all these illegal aliens. And I’m not even talking about the high costs illegals place on society.

  18. Pat.Herve said on 19 Mar 2008 at 6:05 pm:
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    You can say what you want about the liberals - I have been ‘labeled’ as a liberal on this blog.

    During the most recent increase in Illegal Alien invasion:

    Texas Governor - Republican Rick Perry 2000 - present
    Republican George W. Bush - 1994 - 2000

    California Governor - Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger 2003 - present

    Arizona Governor - Democrat Janet Napolitano 2003 - present
    Republican Jane Dee Hull 1997 - 2003

    POTUS - Republican George W. Bush 2000 - present

    Virginia GA - Republican Leadership 1999 - 2007

    US Congress - Republican controlled 1995 - 2006

    PWC BOCS - Republican controlled.

    Amnesty proposed by GW Bush, McCain, Clinton, and OBama.
    remember, Reagan amnesty legalized 2.3 million Hispanics.

    So, I find it funny that the influx of illegal immigrants has not happened when the ‘liberals’ have been in office, but they get labeled and attacked for trying to deal with the situation in a humane way. What is the non-liberal solution to the illegal alien problem? What about outside PWC?

    Did the PWC BOCS suddenly wake up in 2007 and realize that there was an illegal alien problem? I think they thought that with the housing construction decline that there would be a vacuum anyway.

    I also do not think that only the ‘liberals’ employ the illegal aliens, I have seen many a non-us citizen workign at the homes of the most conservitive neighbors I know.

    Do I like/want the illegal immigrants here - No. Should they be sent home - Yes. But what is amazing to me is all the employers who are willing to skirt the laws and pay these people cash, 1099, or with false documents. It is the banking laws that need to be enhanced/enforced, not the immigration laws.

    There are currently 54,000 (out of 7 million) employers registered to use E-Verify - a system that has been around since 1996 - seems a little lame to me. Even US Federal contractors are not required to use E-Verify. http://www.dhs.gov/xnews/testimony/testimony_1204746985090.shtm

  19. MP Resident said on 19 Mar 2008 at 6:15 pm:
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    “How exactly is getting drunk, driving, causing an accident an attempt at seeking a better life?”

    Wouldn’t your life be better if you could do whatever you want with no consequences?

  20. MP Resident said on 19 Mar 2008 at 6:17 pm:
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    Incidentally, McCain is a liberal. Sorry. I won’t buy the trash they’ve been selling with the R next to it’s name.

  21. Anonymous said on 19 Mar 2008 at 7:12 pm:
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    The reason the guy in Boston posted the bail is that he assuage his white male guilt, but at the same time his upper-class neighborhood doesn’t feel the impact of illegal immigration. You don’t have 20-30 illegals turning a single family home into a flop house on Beacon Hill. The only time you’ll see illegals in his neighborhood is when they tend his garden or clean his house. And believe me, he wants to make sure he’ll have that supply of cheap labor.

  22. Anon said on 19 Mar 2008 at 8:07 pm:
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    What you can’t be a liberal and be concerned about illegal immigration? Liberals tend to focus more on the evils of business while conservatives focus on the evils of government. So who exactly is hiring these illegals? It’s businesses and regulating these business would stop them. So how is it that this immigration issue is owned by conservative on this site?

  23. ceejay said on 19 Mar 2008 at 8:39 pm:
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    “Not Alanna Almeda” most of your post was in Spanish. could you post in English? see, we are still, at least the last time i looked, in the United States. and as to the hateful message that you could read to a bunch of children. good freaking job to scare a bunch of kids. childhood obviously means nothing to you if you can use it for your own ends. you are not a conservative Republican. i’m calling BS on that one. because if you were, you would not be oh so solicitous of these illegal families abusing our tax dollars to get WIC benefits and other benes from the taxpayers of PWC. so start your blog.

  24. ceejay said on 19 Mar 2008 at 8:44 pm:
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    “MP Resident said on 19 Mar 2008 at 6:17 pm:
    Incidentally, McCain is a liberal. Sorry. I won’t buy the trash they’ve been selling with the R next to it’s name.”

    well no kidding. what a shock, i guess you are the only person who has ever seen this…NOT!

    let’s see, McCain Feingold, McCain Kennedy, McCain Lieberman. any of that sound familiar to you? what makes you think that Republicans don’t know about those bills as well?

    so you refuse to vote for McCain. goody for you. so vote for the Hildebeast and bring Bill back to the WhiteHouse, or throw in with Obama.

    ain’t voting fun?

  25. Greg L said on 19 Mar 2008 at 8:56 pm:
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    Sara, Firedancer, or whatever your “handle” of convenience is this week, no I do not believe that “compromise” as you define it holds any possibility for solving this issue. We tried that route in the 1980’s, and all it did was land us in the mess we’re in today. Back then we were shocked that a million illegal aliens were in this nation. Now that 10% of the Mexican population has relocated to the United States, and an even greater proportion of El Salvador, as a result of that dumb idea, it’s time to put to rest the inane notion that throwing away principle in order to satisfy liberals will ever solve a damned thing. The population of illegal aliens in the United States is now greater than the combined populations of our five largest cities.

    Oklahoma cracked down, and didn’t have to round up anyone in order to get illegal aliens to leave. So did Arizona. So did Prince William County. If you actually enforce the law, lawbreakers run. It’s simple, it’s proven to work, and it really shouldn’t be all that hard for even a liberal to understand, unless they happened to suffer from some cognitive disorder. In that case, they’re better off ignored, because it’s not productive debating the insane.

    “Compromise” is what got us into this mess. We compromised into letting a million illegal aliens receive amnesty in exchange for enforcement that never happened. As a result millions more saw what a great deal this was, and decided to get their foot in the door so they could take advantage of the next round of “compromise”. When you talk “compromise”, excuse me for not conveniently ignoring what that’s gotten us so far - ever more illegal aliens.

    It’s probably worth noting that the only folks interested in talking about “compromise” are the ones who consistently have been losing the debate over the past few years. It’s starting to look like a tactic to stave off total defeat, which is where the illegal alien apologists are clearly headed.

  26. Emerald Eyes said on 19 Mar 2008 at 9:07 pm:
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    Not Alanna,

    The lady you mimic must have really hit a nerve. I believe she started her own blog so that she would be able to speak freely without censorship. That seems to me to be fairly American. Funny you call those who post there rejects. I seemed to recognize a few folks from bvbl posting there. Are you also calling them names? Just an observation.

    I say live and let live. If that blog annoys you, don’t visit. Resist the urge. Just say NO.

  27. CitizenofManassas said on 19 Mar 2008 at 9:29 pm:
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    Who was the President from 1992 to 2000? Who was a co-sponsor of the shame amnesty Senate Bill? What party made up the majority of the votes for that bill? What party does Timmy Kaine and Mark Warner belong to? What party does DICK Saslow belong to? How about the work Unions?

    What about the State of Maryland?

    It is by far a bi-partisan issue. However, I think more libs support illegals.

  28. Sara Sota said on 19 Mar 2008 at 10:16 pm:
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    Greg L, I don’t know what you mean by total defeat. I’m still not sure what your practical solution is at the national level, since you only say what won’t work or hasn’t worked. Assuming your solution is to remove every illegal immigrant, you’re not likely to achieve total victory either. I’m a realist, and recognize that the solution will need to take into account a little from all sides, or else the stalemate will continue. Surely you recognize that. How much longer do we need to go round and round having the same discussion?

  29. Citizen 12 said on 19 Mar 2008 at 10:22 pm:
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    Liberal is not truly accurate. Communist is more in line with the agenda at hand. The Democratic Party got hijacked years ago but nobody told the members. They push socialist programs while the “conservative” administration moves forward with their PNAC, both ignoring the will of the people. The Declaration ofIndependence and the Constitution were written by Americans for Americans, and both parties need to get pushed back on track by Americans for Americans.

  30. Sara Sota said on 19 Mar 2008 at 10:30 pm:
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    Citizen of Manassas, of course I do not support anyone driving drunk and running over a person on a motorcycle!

    You also said that the Wall Street Journal doesn’t “mention how much the labor costs will increase once the illegals are provided with amnesty(they will then be able to demand higher wages and benefits they are no not receiving).”

    Labor costs will also increase once cheap labor disappears. So either way, we’re in for higher prices.

  31. MP Resident said on 19 Mar 2008 at 10:33 pm:
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    “so you refuse to vote for McCain. goody for you. so vote for the Hildebeast and bring Bill back to the WhiteHouse, or throw in with Obama.”

    Or “none of the above”. Maybe if the Republicans lose a few more elections they’ll start putting up better candidates.

  32. CitizenofManassas said on 19 Mar 2008 at 10:37 pm:
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    Do you support the 287g program?

    The point I was making for the higher labor costs, is to highlight just how silly the whole “comprehensive” immigration bill was. Many supporters of illegals say we need illegals for cheap labor, and proclaim they want to do something about the flow of illegals and how this bill would have addressed the issue.

    Yet, as you pointed out, the bill would have gone directly against what the supporters say. They would have to pay more to the illegals who received amnesty, so if they are so willing to pay more, why don’t they pay more now so that Americans can do the jobs and still make a good enough living to raise families.

  33. Loudoun Insider said on 19 Mar 2008 at 11:16 pm:
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    Leesburg Tommorrow is the seldom read far lefty Loudoun blog. That post is atrocious.

  34. Greg L said on 19 Mar 2008 at 11:31 pm:
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    Yes, I do tend to speak about the quality of public policy solutions that have proven themselves as effective or not. The effective solution we’ve seen is to strictly enforce the law against illegal immigration and the unlawful employment of illegal aliens, and we’ve seen that the illegal aliens will voluntarily leave.

    I know, that’s probably too difficult for amnesty advocates to grasp, since they’re apparently under the impression that illegal aliens stay where they are when they can no longer obtain unlawful employment, drive without a license, or fraudulently apply for public benefits without being held to account for their unlawful behavior.

    Deportations do serve a useful purpose, however. It demonstrates to illegal aliens that they risk real consequences for their unlawful behavior, which inspires them to repatriate themselves to their native countries. It’s also useful for removing the hard-core that refuse to move on because they make their living in connection with the drug trade, gang extortion, or other criminal enterprises.

  35. cdubbs said on 20 Mar 2008 at 12:06 am:
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    Oh please, the “Chilren” (from our once famous Joycelyn Elders) are scared? And somehow bad old PWC and Corey Stewart are responsible for that?

    Worse than Darfur? Last time I looked there was no “free and reduced lunch” at Darfur Schools. Well that’s if there even are any schools in Darfur. I haven’t seen any trucks driving by any tent cities in PWC lately picking up the dead for disposal this week. I guess there aren’t any tent cities here that’s why. Haven’t been any articles in the MUM about local NATO troops molesting children lately. Oh sorry, I forgot we don’t have NATO troops here this month.

    I guess I must have missed something because I’m not scared. But then again, I’m not delusional. You better have that toaster checked for those invisible rays the government must be sending your way.

  36. Emerald Eyes said on 20 Mar 2008 at 1:21 am:
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    “Chilren?” Care to elaborate, cdubbs? Where does Joyce Elders fit in to this conversation other than as a person to mimic because of her speech?

  37. AWCheney said on 20 Mar 2008 at 2:03 am:
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    I’m going to go out on a limb here and suggest the possibility that Not Alanna Almeda is indulging in some radical sarcasm and that her big mistake is not adding a “sarcasm alert” to her comment…although I think she might just be sitting back in amusement watching everybody bite. I may be wrong about this but…

  38. Thumper said on 20 Mar 2008 at 2:30 am:
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    I have to agree with most people on this one. Last Compromise was “ok, we will legalize EVERYONE here but in exchange, we will shut the door” instead we got “Give everyone citizenship then do it again”. Your right, Republicans have been awful at protecting our rights but Democrats aren’t much better.

    For those who are saying “VOTE MCCAIN BECAUSE HILLARY OR OBAMA GET IN WHITE HOUSE COUNTRY IS DOOMED”. Forget it, McCain is RINO and I’m sick of pulling the lever while holding my nose. Republicans have to lose to wake the hell up. There will always be another Hillary or Obama around the corner.

  39. Anonymous said on 20 Mar 2008 at 5:58 am:
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    Good comment Thumper

  40. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 20 Mar 2008 at 7:10 am:
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    Sara…and all of you other “illegal alien apologists”…here are some questions for you (if you care or dare to answer). These questions just require a YES or NO answer (no fluff).
    1. Do illegal aliens enter our country illegally?
    2. Do illegal aliens forge documents?
    3. Do illegal aliens steal benefits (foodstamps, WIC, etc.)?
    4. Do illegal aliens get paid “under the table” as “day laborers”?
    5. Do illegal aliens pay income tax?
    6. Do illegal aliens pay their fair share of property tax while living in a “bunk house”?
    7. Have illegal aliens been a major factor in shutting down Emergency Rooms around the country?
    8. Do illegal aliens falsify information and steal social security numbers to acquire employment (unlawfully)?
    9. Do illegal aliens participate in gang activity?
    10. Do illegal aliens contribute to “overcrowding” of neighborhoods?
    11. Do illegal aliens contribute to “overcrowding” of schools?
    12. Do legal residents “aid and abet” their illegal alien friends and family members?
    13. Do you think we should “compromise” our rules of law and let illegal aliens and their supporters get away with the above, while holding legal citizens accountable?
    I rest my case.

  41. CitizenofManassas said on 20 Mar 2008 at 8:18 am:
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    The Patriot,

    Nice post. But don’t hold your breath for answers. I have asked the same questions of just about every illegal alien supporter who has posted on this blog these that are indifference, and those that want us to think they are against illegals. It usually results in a lot of juking and so forth on the part of those who are asked the questions.

  42. Not Alanna Almeda said on 20 Mar 2008 at 8:47 am:
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    Ding, Ding Ding Ding! You got it :-)

    For those who may not have seen the video:


    And for the benefit of those requesting a translation:

    “Boys and Girls, Caution! The floor is wet. Angry cockroaches are looking for a party.”

  43. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 20 Mar 2008 at 9:11 am:
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    I have to open the case back up and add:

    14. Do illegal alines’ employers pay taxes on their salaries?
    15. Do illegal aliens assimilate to their surroundings?

    Case rested :)

    I love it when you start making numbered lists!!

  44. Kgoatherd said on 20 Mar 2008 at 9:19 am:
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    Not Alanna,

    Stop making fun of the admin of our stalker blog. You people scare me. I am really, really afraid. I write poems to ease the stress. I now people like you. I used to date people like you. Greg is obsessed with me. I will not be ignored. Is that Madam Butterfly I hear? You are all Nazi fascists, racists, bigots. I am afraid of you and you must be stopped. I have reported Greg to the FBI and wirtten a letter to Condolezza Rice to tell them what I have learned:

    Greg is really the vangaurd of an interstellar invasion from the Orion galaxy. He’s a REAL alien. The evil Xenopohopomorphs have dropped pods all across America. Greg started HSM to get regular people into a confined space. Then these people were replaced with duplicates from the pods. Their misson is to cause division within the community, and when we are divided that’s when the evil Xenophobomorphs will attack!

    I am afraid, which is why I have asked Mexicans without Borders to protect me. They will save us. Commandante Marcos, he is so handsome with his bandana and his fatigues. They will save us from all of the pod people.

  45. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 20 Mar 2008 at 9:40 am:
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    Kgoatherd said on 20 Mar 2008 at 9:19 am:

    What a waste of HD storage space.

  46. Sara Sota said on 20 Mar 2008 at 9:43 am:
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    While the answer may be yes to your questions, because these people make contributions to society, I see both sides. Anyway, there’s no point continuing the discussion, since it is a boring circle of the same thing. And your biting sarcasm is scary. Bye.

  47. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 20 Mar 2008 at 10:17 am:
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    Sara Sota said on 20 Mar 2008 at 9:43 am:

    Typical, instead of admitting you may be wrong in your beliefs, you will run away. Therefore, you are still “right” because you didn’t say otherwise. More PC crap. Political correctness is going to undermine our great nation!!

    Where is Jesse and AL in regard to Rev Wright? Why haven’t they spoken out against his hate speech? Oh, that’s right, he is black, so he is off limits.

  48. MP Resident said on 20 Mar 2008 at 11:12 am:
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    “Republicans have to lose to wake the hell up.”

    Maybe it’s time for the Republicans to go the way of the Whigs.

  49. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 20 Mar 2008 at 12:14 pm:
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    Sara…what contributions? The ONLY contributions I see from illegal aliens is to carry out the items I mentioned in my list. You know what? YOU KNOW IT IS TRUE TOO!

  50. Bl said on 20 Mar 2008 at 12:46 pm:
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    Overpopulation, congestion, urban sprawl, pollution, environmental damage, crime, diminishing resources, Diseases, lack of affordable housing, depressed wages, underground economic, fraudulent documents, identity thief, tax invasion, soaring crime rate, increased tax burdens, overcrowded schools, uneducated children, overcrowded prisons, inadequate health care, the balkanization of our communities and a large and growing population with loyally to other Nations, the overall decline in our quality of life are the result of unconstrained illegal immigration! America cannot accept the worlds population of other Nations Criminals, Undesirables and Uneducated Peons. Too many people chasing too few resources is not sound economic, social or cultural policy. This is not racism but pragmatism & common sense! Every industrialized nation has taken steps to end illegal immigration and to limit legal immigration to only that which is prudent, demonstrably necessary, and above all other concerns, in the best interest of their native population. Its insane to suggest that America should not do likewise!

    The illegal invasion can only be understood by the corrupting influence on politicians of money for cheap labor for the Republicans or the Welfare votes for the Democrats that makes them dishonor their Oath of Office, the US Constitution against Invasion, and Enforcement of our Immigration Laws!

  51. Advocator said on 20 Mar 2008 at 12:57 pm:
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    I think my ex is a Xenopohopomorph.

  52. Kgoatherd said on 20 Mar 2008 at 1:24 pm:
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    Greg got to your ex too? This is why he scares me. My friends at SETI are doing a report on him, and we are going to make sure that everyone knows about Greg and his pods.

  53. Advocator said on 20 Mar 2008 at 2:29 pm:
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    No, Greg had nothing to do with it. My ex was pod people long before Greg arrived on the scene.

  54. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 20 Mar 2008 at 4:18 pm:
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    Would people who use the internet then be “iPods”?

  55. Mark in Townes of Ashleigh said on 20 Mar 2008 at 6:38 pm:
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    Quit talking about the pods! This is a non-secure channel!!111!!!

  56. CitizenofManassas said on 20 Mar 2008 at 7:41 pm:
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    You are just like every other supporter of illegals. You say something must be done, but you do not support any attempt to rid the Nation of the illegal alien population except to grant them amnesty. And, you wonder why y’all get poked at so much on this blog, it is because ya’ll attempt to distort the issue, and out right lie, and when push comes to shove, y’all run away like a spoiled kid who was told no.

    And, yes you do support the drunk driver who almost killed the officer last weekend, you support him by wanting them to stay in our Country. You support him when you say they some how contribute to our Nation.

    I bet just about every criminal this Country has every had has in a small way contributed to the Nation, but that does not mean they had a right to walk the streets or to have their crimes wiped away. Illegals have not right to be here in the first place, so logically, they should be deported, and all of them, just as law enforcement attempts to rid society of any other type of criminal.

  57. Pat.Herve said on 20 Mar 2008 at 8:53 pm:
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    1. Do illegal aliens enter our country illegally?
    Some do, but many come here legally using H1B, Migrant worker visa or student visa’s - and then overstay, making them illegal. Why do we need H1B visa holders anyway - and Bill Gates asking for more all the time.

    2. Do illegal aliens forge documents?
    Not always. Many of them do not need documents. What about the forgery of documents performed by their US Citizen employers? What do we need to do to get these employers to obey the law?

    3. Do illegal aliens steal benefits (foodstamps, WIC, etc.)?
    Do you think that ONLY illegal immigrants steal benefits? How do we resolve this?

    4. Do illegal aliens get paid “under the table” as “day laborers”?
    Do you think that ONLY illegal immigrants work for cash? The banking laws need to be beefed up to fix the ability to get so much cash.

    5. Do illegal aliens pay income tax?
    Some do - I know many citizens who do not pay income tax. Haven’t you ever heard of someone having a cash business?

    6. Do illegal aliens pay their fair share of property tax while living in a “bunk house”?
    Are they the owner of the house - the beef is with the owner who is violating the zoning and not paying the correct taxes. Zoning enforcement.

    7. Have illegal aliens been a major factor in shutting down Emergency Rooms around the country?
    I do not have the facts on this - is it true?

    8. Do illegal aliens falsify information and steal social security numbers to acquire employment (unlawfully)?
    Yes, some of them do. I also know of people (not personally) that have done the same thing to falsely claim disability payments. Day laborers usually work for cash, and hence do not need a ssno.

    9. Do illegal aliens participate in gang activity?
    Are all gangs made up of illegal immigrants, I did not think they had a lock on this.

    10. Do illegal aliens contribute to “overcrowding” of neighborhoods?
    Again, if zoning was enforced.

    11. Do illegal aliens contribute to “overcrowding” of schools?
    Again, if zoning was enforced.

    12. Do legal residents “aid and abet” their illegal alien friends and family members?
    If a family member needed help, I would aid and abet (whatever that really means) - friends - no - as far as I know, I have no friends who are illegal - do you?

    13. Do you think we should “compromise” our rules of law and let illegal aliens and their supporters get away with the above, while holding legal citizens accountable?
    No, I think the current laws should be enforced more forcefully and fairly - people should not look the other way, but that is what has been happening, which is why we have the current issue. But, I also think that making resolutions and masking the problem is not a solution. So, PWC may be seeing a drop in the illegal immigrants, but that is not a solution and it is not fixing the problem, it is just moving it out of my backyard, and moving it somewhere else.

    14. Do illegal alines’ employers pay taxes on their salaries?
    Again, fix and enforce the banking laws. Do not hire contractors that use illegal labor. Do not patronize the business that uses illegal immigrants.

    15. Do illegal aliens assimilate to their surroundings?
    Some do (the smart ones).

    What is the solution? Just saying to kick them out does not solve it - that it what has been said for a few years now - and it does not work. The only reasonable way I see is to go after the employers who use this cheap labor. But the large employers (like Tysons Foods) have our government officials in their pockets to allow this to continue. Look at many of the K Street lobbyists - they are illegal immigrant apologists (whatever that is supposed to be). Why not a national id card - but you are against that. Are illegal immigrants being honest contributors to our society - no they are not, but their employers who are ‘upstanding’ US Citizens are being more decietful to not only the illegal immigrants, but also to us - his/her neighbor. Is the home owner who has made the house into a boarding house being fair to his neighbor - no - but that is not the illegal immigrants fault - it is our society that allows this to happen. Zoning should have been enforced years ago - and strictly enforced. The first boarding house to pop up in Manassas should have been shutdown immediately.

    So tell me - what are your ideas to a Solution? I see alot of complaining, but no real mention of a solution? Me - my solution - they need to go after the money, and make it harder for the employer to pay cash or 1099 the employee. This needs to be fixed from the top down.

    Oh dear, here comes another label, what will they call me now?

  58. CitizenofManassas said on 20 Mar 2008 at 11:22 pm:
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    Yes, we need to go after both the illegals and companies that hire them. But, keep in mind that not every illegal who is here works, so just going after the companies is not going to get a large number of illegals, which is exactly why many who support illegals only seem to want to go after the companies.

    Why should we not want to deport all illegals? If they leave PW County and go to another County that has the same laws, they will have to move on. If all Counties pass the same laws, guess what? The illegals will leave on their own, because they will not have any place to go that will lessen the chance of being caught and deported.

    I simply do not understand why people say deportation is not an answer to the problem or passing laws on the local level. If it makes life more difficult for illegals, they will get the message and move on.

    Trying to compare illegal criminals to criminals who have a right to be in the Country(US Citizens, and legal immigrants) is just silly.

    An apologist is someone who ignores the facts and will make apologies and excuses for something or someone.

    Do you really not know what abets means?

  59. zeezil said on 22 Mar 2008 at 10:11 am:
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    Immigration Terminology for Dummies

    With the vitriolic immigration debate roiling in all parts of our country, it is important to understand terminology. Be prepared to dispel the half-truths and no truths of the way those who are illegally in our country are described by their liberal advocates. Knowledge is power:

    1.) Unlawful; illegitimate; illicit; unlicensed.
    2.) Illegal, unlawful, illegitimate, illicit, criminal can all describe actions not in accord with law.
    3.) Illegal refers most specifically to violations of statutes.
    4.) Prohibited by law

    1.) a person who is not a citizen of the country.
    2.) in the United States any person born in another country to parents who are not American and who has not become a naturalized citizen. There are resident aliens officially permitted to live in the country and illegal aliens who have sneaked into the country or stayed beyond the time allowed on a visa.

    1. to enter like an enemy: Locusts invaded the fields
    2. to enter as if to take possession: To invade a neighbor’s home
    3. to enter and affect injuriously or destructively, as disease: Viruses that invade the bloodstream.
    4. to intrude upon: To invade the privacy of a family.
    5. to encroach or infringe upon: to invade the rights of citizens.
    6. to permeate: The smell of baking invades the house.
    7. to penetrate; spread into or over: The population boom has caused city dwellers to invade the suburbs

    Those illegally in a country are not “immigrants”. There is no such thing as an “illegal immigrant”. An immigrant is involved with an established and orderly procedure of immigration (entering a country to which one is not native in order to settle there by legal process).

    They are not immigrants, not undocumented immigrants (Kennedy and the PC fan favorite), not undocumented workers, not undocumented Americans (Harry Reid’s favorite), not economic immigrants (Big Business and Wall Street favorite), not immigrants without work papers, not people who are working (Enrique Morone’s favorite), not migrant workers, not entrants, not day laborers and not the “unbanked” (Bill Clinton and Arnold Schwarzenegger’s favorite).

    The government has defined them as “illegal aliens” and explicitly uses that term in all its laws and statutes. So keep it simple…a spade is a spade…they are illegal aliens. Or, if you’d prefer, another term that would be just as correct to use is “invaders”. I would consider the two interchangeable.

    One other definition is exceedingly useful since you’ll hear with every piece of amnesty legislation, the open border lobbyists, facilitators and illegal alien advocates declaring that it isn’t amnesty in the hope that you will think so. Here’s the definition of amnesty so you can decide for yourself:

    AMNESTY is legislation to forgive the breaking of immigration laws and to make it possible for illegal aliens to live permanently in the United States. Amnesty represents a system of federal rewards and assistance for illegal aliens, and they entice an even greater number of foreign nationals to illegally enter a country. Amnesty is providing the ultimate goal of the perpetrators illegal entry…legalization of their presence.

    1. A general pardon for offenses against a government
    2. An act of forgiveness for past offenses, esp. to a class of persons as a whole
    3. Forgetting or overlooking any past offense

    There you have it, folks. Knowledge is power…use it wisely.

  60. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 22 Mar 2008 at 12:57 pm:
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    I am coining a new phrase: “Document Challenged Criminal Invaders”

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