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	<title>Comments on: ESOL Funding Whammy In Loudoun</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/</link>
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		<title>By: CitizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-59235</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 04:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-59235</guid>
		<description>Billy,

I know exactly what I am talking about it.  The NEA is only too proud to talk about what they believe in.   

Again, do you have a problem with the fact that if the City decides to go with the tax increase  as opposed to the fire levey to fund the Fire Department hires, they will have to go above and beyond the tax  rate to pay for the hires because of the school budget agreement, that calls for the school board to receive 55% of the general budget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billy,</p>
<p>I know exactly what I am talking about it.  The NEA is only too proud to talk about what they believe in.   </p>
<p>Again, do you have a problem with the fact that if the City decides to go with the tax increase  as opposed to the fire levey to fund the Fire Department hires, they will have to go above and beyond the tax  rate to pay for the hires because of the school budget agreement, that calls for the school board to receive 55% of the general budget.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Boy</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-59222</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 02:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-59222</guid>
		<description>COM
You have no idea what you are talking about.  You just make crap up then swear by it.  You did not ask me any questions about anything.  The budget in Manassas is very tight.  I think it went up by 3% or something.  Thats with giving employees a deserved raise.  The support staff is getting a nice raise to try to catch them up to PWC and the teachers are getting less.  From what I have read the superintendent asked for very little and the School Board gave her even less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>COM<br />
You have no idea what you are talking about.  You just make crap up then swear by it.  You did not ask me any questions about anything.  The budget in Manassas is very tight.  I think it went up by 3% or something.  Thats with giving employees a deserved raise.  The support staff is getting a nice raise to try to catch them up to PWC and the teachers are getting less.  From what I have read the superintendent asked for very little and the School Board gave her even less.</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-59131</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-59131</guid>
		<description>Billy,

Nice attempt at changing the subject.   I know what the NEA stands for, because they are very good at getting their message out.  

Now, what about the  budget questions I asked you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billy,</p>
<p>Nice attempt at changing the subject.   I know what the NEA stands for, because they are very good at getting their message out.  </p>
<p>Now, what about the  budget questions I asked you?</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Boy</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-59030</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-59030</guid>
		<description>COM,
You talk like you know alot about the NEA and what they stand for.  If you know so much how on earth do you not know what the  PWEA and the VEA are?  You talk a big story but you don't know squat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>COM,<br />
You talk like you know alot about the NEA and what they stand for.  If you know so much how on earth do you not know what the  PWEA and the VEA are?  You talk a big story but you don&#8217;t know squat.</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58821</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58821</guid>
		<description>I care,

Exactly, they simply do not know the word no when it comes to budgets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I care,</p>
<p>Exactly, they simply do not know the word no when it comes to budgets.</p>
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		<title>By: I care</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58771</link>
		<dc:creator>I care</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58771</guid>
		<description>COM

No disagreeemnt, the NEA by definition is a liberal union.  However, I disagree that they could care less about the education of our children.  If anything, they believe schools should be everything to everybody, and this is demonstrated by the many State and Federal laws that have been passed to "help" public education.  It's also why educators shouldn't be on School Boards; they're too close to the problem and have never had to say no we can't afford to do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>COM</p>
<p>No disagreeemnt, the NEA by definition is a liberal union.  However, I disagree that they could care less about the education of our children.  If anything, they believe schools should be everything to everybody, and this is demonstrated by the many State and Federal laws that have been passed to &#8220;help&#8221; public education.  It&#8217;s also why educators shouldn&#8217;t be on School Boards; they&#8217;re too close to the problem and have never had to say no we can&#8217;t afford to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58751</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58751</guid>
		<description>Dolph,

I dislike the NEA because they are liberal, a Union, and could care less about the education of our children.   

Of course the Federal Government has issues, but we tried to get them off our back once, and well, that did not work out so well.  

I'm not familiar with the two other groups you mentioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dolph,</p>
<p>I dislike the NEA because they are liberal, a Union, and could care less about the education of our children.   </p>
<p>Of course the Federal Government has issues, but we tried to get them off our back once, and well, that did not work out so well.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not familiar with the two other groups you mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: Dolph</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58746</link>
		<dc:creator>Dolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 02:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58746</guid>
		<description>COM,

The same can be said for the federal government, in my humble opinion.  

I really think you put far too much importance on the NEA.  How do you feel about the local and state (PWEA and VEA) and why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>COM,</p>
<p>The same can be said for the federal government, in my humble opinion.  </p>
<p>I really think you put far too much importance on the NEA.  How do you feel about the local and state (PWEA and VEA) and why?</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58714</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58714</guid>
		<description>They do most of their damage by lobbying the State and Federal Governments.   They truly should have no place at all in any education matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They do most of their damage by lobbying the State and Federal Governments.   They truly should have no place at all in any education matter.</p>
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		<title>By: abcteacher</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58708</link>
		<dc:creator>abcteacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58708</guid>
		<description>NEA has almost NO effect on our local schools.  Most teachers just belong to it because it offers sompe insurance protection against lawsuits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NEA has almost NO effect on our local schools.  Most teachers just belong to it because it offers sompe insurance protection against lawsuits.</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58620</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58620</guid>
		<description>Dolph,

Thanks for supporting my point of view, NCLB is just a new excuse for the NEA to use to cover for failing schools and bloated budgets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dolph,</p>
<p>Thanks for supporting my point of view, NCLB is just a new excuse for the NEA to use to cover for failing schools and bloated budgets.</p>
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		<title>By: Dolph</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58602</link>
		<dc:creator>Dolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 05:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58602</guid>
		<description>NCLB came in under Bush.  NCLB is hardly an excuse.  It rules supreme.  It is a good reason to not ever allow the feds in local matters.  Don't forget it governs special ed, economically disadvantaged, and minority education just the same as ESOL.  

To my knowledge, there has always been ESOL in modern times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NCLB came in under Bush.  NCLB is hardly an excuse.  It rules supreme.  It is a good reason to not ever allow the feds in local matters.  Don&#8217;t forget it governs special ed, economically disadvantaged, and minority education just the same as ESOL.  </p>
<p>To my knowledge, there has always been ESOL in modern times.</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58581</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58581</guid>
		<description>If I am not mistaken, NCLB was Bush's attempt to show he could work both sides of the aisle.  He teamed up with Kennedy to come up with the plan.  We have had illegals for more than just the last 8 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I am not mistaken, NCLB was Bush&#8217;s attempt to show he could work both sides of the aisle.  He teamed up with Kennedy to come up with the plan.  We have had illegals for more than just the last 8 years.</p>
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		<title>By: CJC</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58574</link>
		<dc:creator>CJC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58574</guid>
		<description>It seems to me like we had NCLB before we had the invasion.  Maybe I'm wrong though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me like we had NCLB before we had the invasion.  Maybe I&#8217;m wrong though.</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58569</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58569</guid>
		<description>NCLB is a popular excuse to say these students need to be taught in ESL classes, and lots of apathy and well it has to be done, etc etc.      What happened before NCLB?  There were still ESL classes and out of control school budgets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NCLB is a popular excuse to say these students need to be taught in ESL classes, and lots of apathy and well it has to be done, etc etc.      What happened before NCLB?  There were still ESL classes and out of control school budgets.</p>
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		<title>By: 999</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58560</link>
		<dc:creator>999</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58560</guid>
		<description>Come on DUCKY,  YOU KNOW IT ALL!  Answer my 9:06am post.  DON'T HAVE A CREDIBLE ANSWER DO YOU?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on DUCKY,  YOU KNOW IT ALL!  Answer my 9:06am post.  DON&#8217;T HAVE A CREDIBLE ANSWER DO YOU?</p>
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		<title>By: MP Resident</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58537</link>
		<dc:creator>MP Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58537</guid>
		<description>"Yeah, right…that’s why he co-sponsored an amnesty bill with Teddy Kennedy."

(Jedi mind trick)

McCain did not sponsor an amnesty and will secure the borders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yeah, right…that’s why he co-sponsored an amnesty bill with Teddy Kennedy.&#8221;</p>
<p>(Jedi mind trick)</p>
<p>McCain did not sponsor an amnesty and will secure the borders.</p>
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		<title>By: The Patriot (Got E-Verify?)</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58530</link>
		<dc:creator>The Patriot (Got E-Verify?)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58530</guid>
		<description>Actually...its all in the words.....John McCain supports a "pathway to citizenship".....which = AMNESTY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually&#8230;its all in the words&#8230;..John McCain supports a &#8220;pathway to citizenship&#8221;&#8230;..which = AMNESTY.</p>
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		<title>By: 999</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58526</link>
		<dc:creator>999</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58526</guid>
		<description>Ducky said on 24 Mar 2008 at 2:02 am: 
John McCain does not support amnesty.

Please provide proof for that asinine statement above.  The last "comprehensive bill on immigration" proposed by the Senate showed where Juan McCain stood (and still stands despite his denials.)   He avoids the subject of his position on amnesty since he got his a$$ kicked along with Sr. Kennedy with the defeat of the bill.  He throws out "I support securing the border" and stops there.  Ask him if he still supports amnesty and you will be met silence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ducky said on 24 Mar 2008 at 2:02 am:<br />
John McCain does not support amnesty.</p>
<p>Please provide proof for that asinine statement above.  The last &#8220;comprehensive bill on immigration&#8221; proposed by the Senate showed where Juan McCain stood (and still stands despite his denials.)   He avoids the subject of his position on amnesty since he got his a$$ kicked along with Sr. Kennedy with the defeat of the bill.  He throws out &#8220;I support securing the border&#8221; and stops there.  Ask him if he still supports amnesty and you will be met silence.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58523</link>
		<dc:creator>Patty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/22/esol-funding-whammy-in-loudoun/#comment-58523</guid>
		<description>Billy Boy,

Correct me if I'm wrong.  Maybe I misunderstood your previous post.  Even if someone sends their child to private school or homeschools, they still pay taxes to educate those children who go to public school.  We all should have a say on how are tax dollars are spent.  I do believe that a child who has been in ESOL for more than two years has been there too long.  I really think because of NCLB there is no incentive for children to understand and speak English.  In that regard our public school system is an enabler.  I really think that two years is the max and after that the parents of those ESOL children need to fund their own classes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billy Boy,</p>
<p>Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong.  Maybe I misunderstood your previous post.  Even if someone sends their child to private school or homeschools, they still pay taxes to educate those children who go to public school.  We all should have a say on how are tax dollars are spent.  I do believe that a child who has been in ESOL for more than two years has been there too long.  I really think because of NCLB there is no incentive for children to understand and speak English.  In that regard our public school system is an enabler.  I really think that two years is the max and after that the parents of those ESOL children need to fund their own classes.</p>
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