ICE Nabs 34 Illegal Aliens In Manassas
By Greg L | 25 March 2008 | Illegal Aliens, Prince William County | 89 Comments
The DC Examiner and the Washington Post are both reporting on a workplace enforcement raid by the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement that happened yesterday, where 34 employees of CMC Concrete were detained and are now undergoing deportation proceedings. No word on any criminal charges for the officers or senior employees of CMC Concrete, but if ICE is serious about enforcing the law, those charges will come.
As usual, our own local paper missed this local story, and is running a short piece from the AP newswire on their website well after the Post and Examiner’s printed editions have been delivered.
After telling us for months that immigration is properly a federal matter, the illegal alien lobby has an opportunity to prove that they meant what they said and applaud this federal enforcement action. Workplace enforcement raids are a clearly legitimate means of addressing illegal immigration, and there is broad agreement that a failure to enforce employment laws has emboldened unscrupulous employers, and that employers should be held to account for unlawfully hiring illegal aliens. If action by local law enforcement is as illegitimate as they contend, the proper way to address this problem is with increased enforcement by federal agencies.
So does anyone want to guess when the local illegal alien lobby will release a statement praising yesterday’s action, and call for more federal enforcement actions in Prince William County? Or is any enforcement action unacceptable to them, despite their statements to the contrary? My expectation is that after telling us that this is what the federal government should be doing, now that the federal government has done it, the illegal alien lobby will still claim these law enforcement actions are wrong.
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This is just the tip of the iceberg. There are many more local companies that should be investigated.
This is very good news. I hope to see more round-ups in the very near future.
Great start to what SHOULD become the norm until all illegals have gone. There are so, so, so, so, more companies here in Manassas and Prince William County which play ignorant to the fact they hire illegals. They know good and well they have illegals working but look the other way by allowing false documentation by the illegals.
They need to start with the lawn companies, construction companies and when I say construction I mean electrical, drywall, tile, ETC. Do you really think that this concrete company is the only company doing this? Of course not. There are more and ICE needs to stay involved with our area/NORTHERN VIRGINIA.
Great start and hope the good work continues.
It’s only a federal matter to the pro-illegal alien crowd when the federal laws AREN’T enforced.
I’ll only say it once-
I told you.
See, Virginia? There IS a federal government.
Look for more in the future. Have a happy day!
Don’t look now but it seems like our more sophisticated and tolerant friends in Maryland are getting a bit antsy about their illegal immigrant situation and the illegals are unhappy.
“To Illegal Immigrants, Md. Feeling Less Friendly”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/24/AR2008032402512.html
I must again ask the question. What about the concrete company..Are they facing any charges for hiring and employeeing ILLEGALS. Business are major enablers of the illegals in the work force. CMC Concrete needs to be made an example of, so other companies will rethink hiring illegals.
Lafayette, see the articles for your answer.
Good to hear Maryland is now getting our problems and hope Fairfax County does too. Arlington wants them so maybe they get more than a fair share too LOL.
Also, I agree about CMC Concrete, they need to made example of.
G Man,
I had read that and my wording as usual was not up to par. Anyways..
That answer is not good enough for me. It seems to me if they had enough information to go out and get the workers, that they would have more information on the guilty culprits.
Dan Goetz, from the Examiner contacted me yesterday asking me about my feelings about the recent arrests in Manassas and I knew nothing about them - but of course, I read the Potomac News where they never print anything of any value or anything negative about the illegal immigrants in our area. I was shocked, but pleased to hear these arrests had taken place.
Chris Armstrong
I think this blog should keep track of ALL the companies that get raided…you know…to keep the public informed of companies “not doing the right thing”! Oh yes….the “its a Federal matter”. That is what the liberals and the other pro-illegal alien supporters say…..where are they now? This should be GREAT NEWS to them!
Sheriff Joe would be proud of these recent events in our county. Let’s keep them going!
This is good news - enforce the existing laws - follow the money. Now the business owners should be prosecuted - falsifiying business records, paying cash, avoiding disability, ss, payroll taxes, etc.
Amazing that they were able to secure one (at least one) of there workers with permanent resident status - I guess there is/was a shortage of construction workers.
If you can prevent the employer from employing the illegal immigrant, they will go home.
“”"”I think this blog should keep track of ALL the companies that get raided…you know…to keep the public informed of companies “not doing the right thing”! Oh yes….the “its a Federal matter”. That is what the liberals and the other pro-illegal alien supporters say…..where are they now? This should be GREAT NEWS to them!”"”
See, this is why I seldom comment. I am a liberal (the proud, godless heathen type) and I, too, am glad to see the illegals get the boot and the companies that hire them punished. I was very upset to see several homes in my neighborhood foreclosed, but not sad to see the people who occupied them leave in the dead of night en masse. The homes I bet were relieved to have them go as well, for the illegals left them in shambles.
Being liberal does not automatically mean being pro-illegal alien. I’m one who is hardly sympathetic to their woes…or that of the employers/people who hire them. It isn’t a conservative/liberal problem. It’s (illegal immigration) everyone’s problem. Only those who are FOR the illegals are so because they somehow profit from them…be they developers, families who hire babysitters, cleaning services, contractors, etc. Plenty of cheap labor proponents out there, as well as their illegal workers.
There are many of us on the “left” side who were happy PWC did what it did in cutting off benefits and services for illegals and who are equally as happy to see them pack up and leave. MWB does not speak for us all! We value our property and neighborhoods too.
LBM SAID: “Being liberal does not automatically mean being pro-illegal alien.”
Well…you are one of the very very very very very very very few liberals that I have EVER come across with this viewpoint then (particularly on this blog).
Ted-
Is it just me, or is every single level of our government completely disconnected from the voters? What happened to “government of the people, by the people and for the people..”? The people want the law of the land to be enforced. At every level. At every opprtunity. For our sake. The United States of America is a sovereign nation and needs to remain so.
We are out there, know a few myself…know one who left/moved out of Manassas because of the problem. All the ones I know are glad they are laeving. We may recognize their sadness and acknowledge their feelings on being denied services, but we hardly think they deserve what those who HAVE waited in line to get LEGALLY - as well as every other American - should get because they are here.
You will find in many liberal circles, there are those who are vigilant in going after the businesses who hire them knowing they’re illegal. Those businesses who don’t care because it is cheaper to do so. Like I said, MWB does NOT speak for us all.
We don’t want them taking away jobs from Americans who ARE entitled to employment, we don’t want to see them (the illegals) exploited by companies (or anyone for that matter), and many of us don’t want to see US dollars funneled out of our nation into theirs (they all send a potion of earnings home, no?), while they drain our public services at our expense! Those public funds are for Americans, not for all who emigrate here and stay illegally.
Yeah, there are those who think illegals should get all we get because “life is hard” - and denying them services and such is inhuman and cruel. But it is far crueller to lure them here under pretenses of employment - illegal employment - and then exploit these people for our so-called benefit, meanwhile sticking it to the average taxpayer.
You want a good look at how the midwest is being destroyed by illegal immigration? Read, Fast food Nation. Our beef used to be processed by Americans, until it became “too costly” to do so…so many of the large beef processing and agri-businesses “outsorced” and began running hiring campaigns in Mexico and below the border. I fib to you not. They send busses down there to bring them back to do our meat. They run radio ads encouraging people to cross the border and come work for them. If they can make it all the way up to Tulsa, they have a job.
However, if you cut off the source, your problem will go away. LOL…we liberals live amongst you, albeit in smaller numbers in PWC, but we are there and we too have heard enough. We don’t want anyone hurt or exploited, but we also know that these illegals are here for a reason and existing at our expense, and that of our families and economy.
We don’t want to see routine profiling, however the reality is the majority of illegals are of latino descent. If you don’t speak English and you’re working a job, chances are you aren’t there legally. And the people who hired you are doing MORE of a disservice to you (the illegal) than you a service for them. Since the pockets of our local legislators are lined with the cash of those who profit from illegals, no way are they going to go after the companies….so the next logical step is to make the immigrants feel the pressure. I don’t like the fact this is the way it is, or that people and their children will be denied services they may require, but that is the way it HAS to be….until the businesses start feeling the pressure. And I won’t hold my breath on that.
Meanwhile one good central location to report local businesses who hire illegals is www.wehirealiens.com . They are keeping a permanent record. I reported a couple of businesses to them after observing criminal employers picking up illegal workers over at the Coverstone 7-11. At least one of them gets lots of business from local governments. No one wants to really address this, but let’s at least let the crooks of the world know we’re keeping a permanent record of their misdeeds.
This goes beyond the 34 illegals caught. We’re beginning to hear more and more grumblings from MD which in turn means that we have succeeded. The snowball is getting bigger and bigger and the avalanche is moving across the Potomac and is starting to come down on their heads.
1st implementation of the resolution and now this. Expect the exodus to shift to a higher gear.
The hammer needs to fall on CMC and any politicians with ties to this company need to be called out no matter whom they are.
@LBM
I agree. This issue is beyond political affiliation.
LBM…..WOW….a Liberal that makes sense!!! I agree with you on ALL your points. Please educate all of the “compassionate consevatives” out there that just cannot seem to grasp ENFORCING the LAW! The 34 ICE arrests on Monday will send a LOUD message to ILLEGAL ALIENS that the heat is on.
Also…..SHAME, SHAME on you, Manassas Journal Messenger for not reporting this SIGNIFICANT news in your paper. MJM, you are a laughable, pathetic excuse for journalism. The Manassas “fishwrapper” once again displays its pro-illegal ALIEN position.
lbm…you are the FIRST and only liberal I know that takes your stance against illegal immigration. Please help educate the other liberals….or will you be ousted by them??? Anyway, we must never let up the pressure and we must cut off ALL incentives….jobs, benefits, and anything else that serves as a magnet. Additionally, we must prosecute legal residents, organizations, and businesses that “aid and abet” illegal aliens. It is time to start cracking down.
I’m wondering is this why the 7-11 wasn’t crowded (Wellington/Balls Ford Road) this morning? Normally, it’s crowded but this morning , not many there.
Anyhow, this great and I’d like to see ICE in Manassas more often! :0)
The usual pro-illegal suspects are not commenting on this story. Interesting….
Leila, Charlotte, El Guapo, where are you? I hope none of you got arrested yesterday (not).
I think the company’s assets should be seized for “aiding and abetting”. Then the assets can be auctioned off and be given to LE to offset the costs of operations.
This site “hispanicTips” has numerous pieces of articles of how businesses that hire illegals are being punished, some in our area, some around the country. Check it out and click on various stories. http://www.hispanictips.com/2007/11/15/fishing-company-accused-hiring-illegal-immigrants-newport-news-virginia-fined-million/
Patriot - when will the Feds move in and take the assets from Fredy Lopez? Those offices remain open (while he’s in jail?).
Patriot-
It worked wonders with drug proceeds.
One word…..AWESOME! Although, funny, I thought the illegals were all gone already? This is the best way to enforce the laws, to smack the businesses that hire illegals.
Lafayette said on 25 Mar 2008 at 10:50 am: I must again ask the question. What about the concrete company..Are they facing any charges for hiring and employeeing ILLEGALS. Business are major enablers of the illegals in the work force. CMC Concrete needs to be made an example of, so other companies will rethink hiring illegals………
I seriously doubt this will happen. If you go back and read the WaPo article, you will see that at least one of the CMC Concrete business’ employees is here legally on a sponsored work visa.
More and more businesses hire “legal fall guys” who act as their “Subcontractors.” The subs hire the illegals, and the businesses are off the hook because the onus of verifying eligibility falls on the Sub. When things heat up, the “fall guy” is long gone and the business becomes the “victim.”
Of course, we all know that the games continue to be played, but one thing no one has ever accused these businesses and their little illegal buddies of being is stupid - arrogant, illiterate, uneducated and unskilled - but not supid. They can spot a loop hole from a mile away like a dog can spot a cat.
Meanwhile, the US is contributing $23million to Egypt to help THEM build a fence at the border - http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/
The above article http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/ is dated 23 Mar 08.
There were 8 day laborers at the Cornerstone 7-11 and empty building directly behind it this morning.
Mr. Anon said on 25 Mar 2008 at 2:36 pm:
They are too busy on another site.
INS has always “investigated” the kitchens of restaurants (another popular venue for illegals) which would net illegals (from all over). Of course it is considered a racist/nativist thing for ICE to do, as the majority now caught will be latino.
ICE, do you need any more ideas of places to look?
Yes, legal2, send your youngsters to replace the kitchen crews. Fun, fun, fun! It would be the patriotic thing to do.
Hey Krusty,
You have to start somewhere!! Are you and yours too good for Manual Labor?! Or, do you think Manual Labor is a Mexican?
Krutis said on 25 Mar 2008 at 6:03 pm:
Yes, legal2, send your youngsters to replace the kitchen crews. Fun, fun, fun! It would be the patriotic thing to do.
Absolutely! Kids need money for college and transportation. There’ll be more jobs for them.
maybe we’ll get someone who speaks english at mcdonalds now! It’s a stretch but it could happen!
I think the raid was awesome, a few of these high-profile raids ought to show that ICE means business. They dont have to nail all of them, but just enough to show they are watching and have the ability to swoop down at any time and snag them. That alone is a huge deterrent and maybe the illegals can find someplace else to live.
I know in my neighborhood what few hispanic families we had mysteriously dissapeared, one of them for sure walked away from their home and it’s now in foreclosure. I expect the others to hit foreclosure soon. It’s sad, but maybe someone legal can buy into those homes.
Way to go ICE!!! keep up the pressure and keep shuttling them out of the country
ABSOLUTLEY, krutitis, its the legal thing to do to CLEAN out the kitchens from ALL illegals. Its the patriotic thing to do…….its ENFORCING the law, dimwit. I visted a town in southern Va. a couple months ago, went to a Burger King, and NOT ONE ILLEGAL behind the counter……It felt VERY PATRIOTIC there!
El Lobo - There’s no need for namecalling. Krutis can be snarky, but I don’t find her to be a particularly dim wit.
Bravo to ICE on their newfound vigor for enforcement. I hope it lasts.
I’m glad to hear this story. But I find it a little odd to heard you conservatives praising the enforcement action of the federal government on a business. I can’t imagen hearing conservatives praising the enforcement of the law if that law was one protecting an endangered species or clean air and water. Conservatives are suppose to be about small government and leaving businesses alone to let the market work no matter what.
What you all are actually saying is the big bad taxing federal government did something that’s good and that worked. That’s sounds about as far from a conservative statement as I can think of.
Krutitis, Mr. Smalls thinks you are “snarky”…….crotchety, snappish, sarcastic, impertinent or irreverent in tone or manner (Webster’s definition of “snarky”).
Thanks, El Lobo, I already know I have a lot of attributes/ I especially like “irreverent” and “impertinent”. My kids tended to be that way. I’m in my second childhood. Yeeeha! Irreverent = ME!
Parker said on 25 Mar 2008 at 8:06 pm:
I’m glad to hear this story. But I find it a little odd to heard (sic) you conservatives praising the enforcement action of the federal government on a business. I can’t imagen (sic) hearing conservatives praising the enforcement of the law if that law was one protecting an endangered species or clean air and water. Conservatives are suppose to be about small government and leaving businesses alone to let the market work no matter what.
Wow! It’s quite simple, really. Your misknowledge of, and obvious bias against, conservatism is readily apparent. You don’t understand simply because you don’t really know what conservatism really is. In other words, you’re clueless.
Krutis said on 25 Mar 2008 at 8:37 pm:
Thanks, El Lobo, I already know I have a lot of attributes/ I especially like “irreverent” and “impertinent”. My kids tended to be that way. I’m in my second childhood. Yeeeha! Irreverent = ME!
The apple doesn’t fall too far from the tree I guess.
@es_la_lay So your saying that conservatives aren’t about small government(low taxes) and letting the market work and solve problems?
es-la-lay - Darn tootin’ right you are!
Parker,
Yes we are for lower taxes, why do you think we want to get rid of the illegals? Getting rid of the illegals will result in lower taxes.
I’d love to see what the ESOL population is right now in the PWC schools, maybe we can cut more ESOL teachers and send them to Fairfax and Maryland.
Good job ICE, but it’s only a start. Today I saw on Ashton a cop pull over a van with about 10 people getting out and the cops asking them for ID it appeared anyway when I drove past almost across the street from the mall entrance. Yes they were hispanic before anyone asks. Speed trap for sure. When I was going back to work after dinner a Comcast truck zoomed past me as I was going 40 and the cop nailed him/her as well an hour and a half later. Long dinner…
Still can’t believe the MJM hasn’t said anything about the raid a day and a half later other than a small AP blurb. Guess we’ll be seeing the sob stories about who’s getting deported and being separated and so on and so forth. That’s what MJM things sells papers.
Let’s not get into conservative vs. liberal here. This is about getting rid of the illegal aliens in our area.
Dave,
That section of Ashton is a well known speed trap, the po po seem to be there all the time, and not just in marked cars, I was so an officer in a ford pick up truck pulling people over.
Correction, well known I suppose except to those that get pulled over.
Wanted Illegal Alien Gang Member Member Arrested in Virginia
http://www.news8.net/news/stories/0308/506522.html
es_la_ley,
Any idea why he was arrested? That is one I would hope isn’t extradicted. They will turn him lose and he will be right back down here. Hopefully, he did something bad enough that he can be held, tried, convicted, will serve time, and be deported.
CoM,
I drive that way every day to work and back home, I know there are police there a couple mornings/evenings every week. I’m glad they are there, I’ve seen a few drag races on that road in the past when I get off work late at night. Usually souped up Hondas with wings added on. Go figure.
I’m thinking that maybe this raid is having another effect. This morning instead of the usual 25-30 kids waiting at the K-6 bus stop, there were only around 8 kids this morning, the “usual suspects” were missing. Not a brown face at the stop. So the grass didn’t get watered either… Hope we get a little rain today to make up for it.
Here’s what The Examiner is reporting.
Police say illegal immigrant stabbed man while on bail
Freeman Klopott, The Examiner
2008-03-26 07:00:00.0
Current rank: # 176 of 6,083
WASHINGTON -
A Montgomery County-based MS-13 gang member and illegal immigrant who allegedly stabbed a man almost to death after being released on bond following an earlier attack is now in custody in Prince William County, where his immigration status may complicate his extradition.
Milton Calderon-Melendez, 25, of El Salvador, is awaiting extradition from Prince William to Montgomery to face charges of assault and conspiracy to commit second-degree murder. Meanwhile, as Prince William’s policy dictates, Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials have already been informed of his illegal presence in the U.S.
On the night of July 18, two Montgomery County police on surveillance duty near the intersection of Lost Knife Road and Odenthall Avenue in Gaithersburg said they observed Calderon-Melendez punch Kiana Snowden, 15, in the face. He was promptly arrested and later admitted to being a member of the violent MS-13 street gang. Calderon-Melendez was then released on $2,500 bail until his trial on Aug. 17, which he never appeared for.
On Aug. 20, he and Jose Gagoberto Flores Cardova allegedly assaulted Cardova’s roommate, known only as Salguero in court documents, in their 8200 Iron Clad Court apartment in Gaithersburg.
According to police, Cardova beat Salguero in the head with a baseball bat and Calderon-Melendez stabbed him in the sternum with a knife. Police found the bloody bat and a broken knife in the house after the two had already fled.
Had Calderon-Melendez originally been arrested in Prince William, his immigration status would have been checked and he would’ve stayed in jail, Prince William County police said. But it’s not Montgomery County policy to check the immigration status of those arrested, Seth Zucker, spokesman for Montgomery County State’s Attorney John McCarthy, said.
When bail is set in Montgomery County by bail commissioners, the state’s attorney makes no argument and it is only in cases in which a suspect can’t post bail right away or bail is waived by the commissioners that the state’s attorney argues on the potential for suspect to flee, Zucker said.
Calderon-Melendez was released the day of his arrest in July, and after the August attack, he laid low until finally arrested by a Prince William County gang unit on Friday.
fklopott@dcexaminer.com
Examiner
Dave in PWC said on 26 Mar 2008 at 12:11 am:
Because they have to appear PC. If they publish something like that, it might be detrimental to the sensibilities of their few readers they have.
Krutis said on 25 Mar 2008 at 8:37 pm:
“Thanks, El Lobo, I already know I have a lot of attributes/ I especially like “irreverent” and “impertinent”. My kids tended to be that way. I’m in my second childhood. Yeeeha! Irreverent = ME!”
Did you mean to say irrelevant?
I would not brag about being a bad parent. Since when did it become a good thing for one’s child to be irreverent and impertinent?
Dolph,
He openly admits that he is a member of MS-13. That would have been enough to hold him without bond in this area even before the ROL resolution. Seeing that the jurisdiction is Montgomery County, it doesn’t surprise me that they released him.
Dolph,
Montgomery County may be the future mega capital for MS-13 and SUR-13 in the near future. It may be that already.
You couldn’t pay me enough money to live there.
Dolph,
Just to clear up. He was orignally arrested for assault.
The company probably won’t be charged, consistent with the Bush administration policy of protecting rogue employers like this concrete company, Blackwater, Halliburton and others.
“@es_la_lay So your saying that conservatives aren’t about small government(low taxes) and letting the market work and solve problems?”
You aren’t one of these who believes that anything less than wide open borders is “protectionism” are you?
Breaking News:
From staff reports
Published: March 26, 2008
Prince William Police Chief Charlie T. Deane is meeting with the Mexican Consul in Woodbridge to talk about concerns in the Hispanic community over the county’s resolution on illegal immigration.
The meeting is scheduled for 7 p.m. in the Hi Mart, 13412 Jefferson Davis Highway.
The informational meeting is intended to dispel fears and rumors about the resolution in the wake of an Immigrations and Customs Enforcement raid on a worksite in the Manassas area on Monday.
I am all for returning illegal immigrants back to their country if they commit a crime, but not just for wanting to be here to better their life or the lives of their families back home. This is my personal observation. Americans do not want to do the jobs that the hispanic people do. They do not want to work the long hours for the pay that the hispanics receive, nor do the american people want to work the long hours and weekends for that same pay. I do not see young kids anymore working in McDonalds or any of the fast food resturants. All you folks that live in Manassas in your beautiful houses, who do you think built them? do you think you would have bought your houses for the same prices if the hispanic workers did not build them? Wake up. You all are harping on the fact that these people are illegal, when all they want to do is make their lives better. Do not tell me it is only hispanics who drink and drive, who commit crimes, etc., MANY Americans do the same. You do not see the headlines in the paper that says WHITE MAN COMMITS CRIME IN MARYLAND. Why do we all have to be so separated by race? Maybe if we concntrated more monies on securing the boarders and let those folks who are not criminals stay in this country and give them the means to pay taxes that we would be much better off and not have to worry about monies spent on those folks who maybe truly want to pay taxes but can not because they have no social secrity number…..
YOU MUST BE KIDDING RIGHT NOTALATINO?
notalatino..I was once one of the white workers in McDonalds in Manassas as were most of my high school peers. Once restruants were only requried to pay 5.18 per hour, or 3.18 plus tips. We didn’t think we were lower than others. We merely worked what we chose to do, and we worked hard. We dealt with a-hole managers, and all sorts of crap and attendend HS school and graduated with honors and went on to college where we continued to work full time. At the end we ended up with lots of debt, yet we learned how to work hard for what we want. And we never felt sorry for ourselves.
Notalatino’s tirade sounds very familiar. Most of it (with the exception of the first sentence) sounds like it came directly from our local Mexicans Without Borders (Nancy Lyall, perhaps?). Of course, that first sentence could well be as a result of the reality that supporting blatant criminals will do little to help their cause, so this could be the new rhetoric we are to expect…mixed with the old.
@Notalatino Americans would do those jobs if the wages weren’t undercut by companies profiting of illegals. If yours so happy about having Latinos drive down wages and working 70hrs a week don’t be surprised when the new prefab housing takes ofter and Latinos are under cut by Chinese working 80hrs a week. Is this really the direction you want to be going?
Mr. Anon said:
“The usual pro-illegal suspects are not commenting on this story. Interesting….
Leila, Charlotte, El Guapo, where are you? I hope none of you got arrested yesterday (not).”
Mr. Anon, you are hysterical. You commented at what, 2 pm something? As totally blissful a site as BVBL is, I don’t have a chance to look at it all the time. Sorry to disappoint you.
Notalatino,
After the raid in New Bedford, MA of the factory that made Army ammo vests the next day over 700 AMERICANS applied for the jobs that the illegals were doing. Take your ideas and tell them to MWB.
Patty,
Thanks. He certainly is someone I don’t want to run into out in the wild.
Nota,
How did America survive without illegals? Exactly how did America become a successful Nation without illegals? Why exactly if illegals are such hard workers, did they leave their Nations, where obviously that superior work ethic would have made it moot for them to seek jobs in other Nations since they own Nations would have a booming economy due to that superior work ethic.
Maybe if you travel outside of your neighborhood, you will see plenty of examples of Americans working these jobs you say only illegals will do. In fact I posted just a couple of weeks ago about my experience at a fast food restaurant in Fredericks burg. The work force appeared to be extras from the Leave it to Beaver show. I hardly doubt those hard working teenagers would accept what you posted.
Of course illegals are not the only ones who commit crimes. But, I also do not see American drunks in the streets protesting tougher DUI laws, I also do not see American bank robbers in the streets protesting tougher sentencing laws either.
Leila,
Why don’t you comment now? You are the typical lib, you attempt to change the topic and ignore directed and simple questions asked of you.
I am not debating that some companies take advantage of hiring latinos for smaller wages, like the factory workers, however, I am so sure Americans would rather work in a factory than outside in the 100 degree heat in the summer time and the bitter cold in th winter time digging ditches and performing construction work. I can tell you this. I have worked for a company that does work outside for 12 years and in all of those years there have been maybe 4 Americans that have applied for jobs at our company. We even went so far as to post applications at the homeless shelter in manassas, with only response from ONE person. We need to WAKE UP. Americans DO NOT want to perform hard labor. They would rather be on welfare taking advantage of the same system we blame latinos for taking advantage of. For everyone (you know who you are) that use latinos to clean your houses, tend your gardens, do your home repairs, SHAME ON YOU for joining the bandwagon on this witch hunt. America need to sit down and think what is best for the country. Giving the latinos legal status if they have been in this country a certain length of time and have not committed crime is the decent thing to do. Spend the money on securing the boarders and not allowing more and more people to come across evey day. This is where we should concentrate our efforts. And NO, I am not part of any group, I am just a citizen tired of people throwing the race card. Remember, all of our ancestors, unless we are American Indians, were immigrants.
notalatino - what a pantsload.
I come from up north where plenty of manufacturing jobs were sent south to the likes of Mexico. Those “lazy” Americans upon whom you spit fought tooth and nail to keep their jobs. In Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas - the deep south African Americans have for generations raised, slaughtered and processed the poultry we eat….that is until the agra-conglomerates decided it would be cheaper to hire illegals. So the generations of poultry workers were traded in for cheap labor…as were the steel-workers of the north….the manufacturing labor pool of the north….
Funny, the majority of people I hear from who claim “Americans don’t want to do manual labor, “dirty jobs”, etc….” are not Americans, but foreigners or immigrants.
Yet I remember the cries and outrage of my fellow countrymen as they watched their jobs disappear - be it to another nation, or to a local illegal labor pool. It’s a line of merde to parrot the tired old copout, “we do the jobs americans don’t want to do” No, you do the jobs Americans have had stolen from them in the name of profit. You are all just the pawns in a moneymaking scheme. But I understand it makes you feel better repeating to yourself you do the work no one else does….no one likes to acknowledge they’ve been had and exploited.
Notalatino is crazy and so out in left field.
Before the illegal aliens arrived, over 90% of labor jobs at contruction companies like Hazel, Phoenix development, Rogers were done by Americans who were either black or white. Slowly but surely, the aliens arrived and these workers were for some reason replaced with the illegal aliens. (I wonder why????)
These guys who were once labors worked hard and they didn’t quit for welfare. I wonder why all of a sudden the construction crews are now made of Latinos mostly and now Americans? Anyone wanna take a wild guess?
Illegal Aliens have caused the wages to become stagnant, I personally want more to be done about the Illegal Alien problem and hope that ICE remains in our area until the problem is solved.
Nota,
Illegals make up less then 5% of the work force in this Country. What does that mean? It means there are plenty of Americans who do not mind digging ditches and working outside, or cleaning, or any job there is.
Exactly what crimes other then breaking immigration laws would you deport illegals for breaking?
I figured that would get Nota to run away. Funny how these supporters of illegals run off the mouth until they are forced to answer pointed questions. Ha ha ha.
First of all, I do not run away from anything. I just do not have all day like you do to sit on the computer and chat. My time is valuable and I do not like to waste it. I review this site once a day and can answer any comments that come my way. So here we go, if you are saying that the latino work force is less than 5% of the US workforce, then what are you crying about? This would lead people to believe there is no issue. How could the latinos “take over” all the jobs of the Americans if this is a true statement? Please think before you write something that will make you look like the back end of a mule. As far as the factories going to Mexico, is that the fault of the Mexican community? Why do you not blame the Indian or chinese people for taking over the jobs of the Americans of answering the phones for the credit card or computer companies. Almost any call you make now for help with anything goes overseas. Is that the fault of the latinos too? You can not blame someone for something they have no control over. You can not blame people in Mexico for taking factory jobs that an American company moved over to their country. American companies should be penalized, not the people. If this is your mentality, then I would not be suprised if you blame the latinos for the bunyons on your feet or the fact that you are going bald. I am not saying that coming into this country without papers is not breaking the law, I am just saying that there are so many other more important issues that our tax dollars can go for. If the money was spent securing the borders, and the non law breaking (exluding them being here with no documentation as this is not serious crime) immigrants were given legal status, just imagine how much more money the government would have in their pockets because these people would happily pay their taxes and contribute to our society. Like someone said before, for every person you catch and deport, there are two more coming in every day. It will be a never ending battle until they do something to secure the borders. Look at it from another perspective. If we allowed them to be legal, then we would not have to worry about wages becoming stagnent. Then they would not be afraid to report those companies who paid them below what they are suppose to be paid.
Leila, I will answer you now. Just because you went to ONE fast food resturant and saw some kids working that were Amercian, that is not the norm. It is because of the American families who do not make their children take responsibility and get jobs. We as Americans let our children think it is okay to sit at home and play video games all day and play on the computer. We do not see children outside playing like we used to, or teenagers with any manners. You all know this is true. We are raising a generation of children that I am embarrased to be around sometimes. They talk back to their parents and disregard other elders. My point is THIS IS NOT THE NORM. As for how we survived without latinos before….well, look at how our world has changed. The housing markets, the fact that women do not stay home anymore (we get cleaning ladies, people to do our lawn, etc.,) we are a busier America where we do not even have time to get a good night sleep. The world today is not how it was even when we were children. So yes, maybe before, when nice, polite teenagers worked at McDonals and Americans worked in construction jobs from 9-5 and everthing was like Leave it to Beaver it worked, but in this day and age it does not.
@ nota
“Why do you not blame the Indian or chinese people for taking over the jobs of the Americans of answering the phones for the credit card or computer companies. Almost any call you make now for help with anything goes overseas.”
Did anyone exonnerate these people? I don’t recall seeing such. They, along with their governments and the businesses who move are at fault.
“You can not blame people in Mexico for taking factory jobs that an American company moved over to their country.”
Actually yes, I can. Twas the Mexican government, acting on behalf of the will of its people, who lobbied and made conditions such for those US companies to move there.
“I am not saying that coming into this country without papers is not breaking the law,”
Good, because it is breaking the law.
“I am just saying that there are so many other more important issues that our tax dollars can go for.”
Frankly when a population of illegal aliens is sucking up tax revenue allocated for legal and naturalized US citizens, it is a BIG issue. If you don’t pay taxes, like the illegals, however I can see where this would be a non-issue.
“If we allowed them to be legal, then we would not have to worry about wages becoming stagnent. Then they would not be afraid to report those companies who paid them below what they are suppose to be paid.”
Why should they get a pass when plenty of other people who are going through the proper channels for naturalization have waited for years going through all the appropriate steps? And do you honestly think comapnies will raise their wages for these people if naturalized???
“just imagine how much more money the government would have in their pockets because these people would happily pay their taxes and contribute to our society”
Thank you for confirming that they do not pay taxes into a public system that they depend upon.
“It is because of the American families who do not make their children take responsibility and get jobs. We as Americans let our children think it is okay to sit at home and play video games all day and play on the computer.”
That may be how it was in your household growing up, and may be how it is now but you have no place to speak for all other Americans.
“As for how we survived without latinos before….well, look at how our world has changed. The housing markets, the fact that women do not stay home anymore (we get cleaning ladies, people to do our lawn, etc.,) we are a busier America where we do not even have time to get a good night sleep. ”
A bit of irrelevancy mixed with mysogyny and voila you have a pointless tirade….
Like I stated before - what a pantsload.
Nota,
Nice try attempting to change the topic.
They make up less then 5% of the work force, exactly why we would not miss them, and why it would not take too long of enforcement of the current laws to see them all leave.
I suppose if we just made killing not a criminal offense, we would no longer have a murder problem.
I would venture to say outside of the major metro areas, and I have visited many over the ten years or so(about 8 round driving trips to Florida and many places all over the Country), it is very much the norm to see American teenagers work in fast food places and for that matter older Americans do the same and in other jobs that supporters of illegals say we do not want to do.
If you are not part of any groups, why do you use the same language and have the same self loathing attitude many of these same groups have?
Again, what law breaking are you willing to overlook by the illegals?
I cut my own grass, clean my own home, and if I need to hire outside help I hire folks I know.
Why do you blame everyone but the illegals? A bit self loathing me thinks. Typical liberal BS.
Oh, and yes the Indians were immigrants too.
The World has not changed so much that we need to have illegals come here to do jobs.
Weird thing is after I read about the arrests I looked at my students emergency cards and this is what I discovered….Yes parents listed their home address, and emergency contact numbers, but out of 18 students, only SEVEN parents listed employer numbers, employment information, or employer addresses. Looking at my emergency cards I have only 7..that is SEVEN parents that are employed. The other 11? I have no clue.
“And do you honestly think companies will raise their wages for these people if naturalized???”
You’re right, LBM, they won’t…they’ll just import more illegals to “do the jobs that legal residents and citizens won’t.” That’s what happened with the last amnesty, and it’s continually escalating.
“Looking at my emergency cards I have only 7..that is SEVEN parents that are employed. The other 11? I have no clue.”
They’re either working for cash “under the table” or living on the dole…very likely both, ateacher. Aren’t we a wonderful society of schmucks?! It’s not surprising that the Mexican Government, and very likely many other governments, are openly advertising our stupidity to their dregs to get rid of them.
LBM - it is these discussions that warrant a pants load, as you put it. I am tired of bantering back and fourth. I gave my opinion, and that is just what it is, an opinion. I see it from both sides, so excuse me if I feel for the Americans and the Immigrants. Also, why do you feel that I have to be from any group? To suprise you, I AM NOT. I am just an American, born and raised here by American parents, who pays taxes and has worked all of my life. Why do you feel that someone has to be a part of a group or cult to express their opinions? But if it makes you feel better, then think what you like. I have my opinions and I have clearly stated them. I have more important things to do with my time than bicker like teenagers over something that our government should be controlling. But if you think, for one minute, that the latinos that they are catching and deporting will not be back here in a few weeks, you are wrong. They have families here and or they are the only means of support for their families in their country. So they will be back, to work the same jobs, and make the same monies they were before to either take care of their loved ones here or send the money back to their country. All I am trying to do is look at this from both viewpoints, but it does not seem any of you will take off your blinders . Put yourselves in the position of having a family that you have a hard time feeding or taking care of, what would you do? At least instead of going on some type of welfare, they come here to work. And before anyone goes into a tirade, I know that there are latinos on welfare, BUT IT IS NOT ONLY LATINOS that are on welfare. Look how many Americans do not want to work, who keep having children just so they can get more money. PLEASE people, before bantering and ranting and raving put yourself in the shoes of another person. That is all I am doing when I talk about my opinions. If someone risks their lives to come over the border, then there must be a damn good reason for them to do it.
“Look how many Americans do not want to work, who keep having children just so they can get more money.”
So, notalatino, it’s OK with you if illegal aliens feed at the public trough, but NOT OK for Americans to do it?
Nobody has denied that welfare fraud exists, but the BIG difference is that these people “who want to do the jobs Americans won’t” are not entitled to be here, adding to the problem! Frankly, given a choice, I’d much rather see us having to deal with that home-grown problem than an imported one that seems to multiply exponentially! At least our home-grown problem is entitled to be here and has no place to run when they get caught.
“That is all I am doing when I talk about my opinions. If someone risks their lives to come over the border, then there must be a damn good reason for them to do it.”
Yeah…greed and a false sense of entitlement!!
Nota,
Just stop making excuses for the illegals. Would it be OK for me to rob banks in order to support my family? Would it be OK for me to rob people on the street to support my family?
Should we allow the drunk driver to avoid jail time in order to support his family?
These illegals are the reason for their families being in the shape they are in. They complain about the break up of families on our immigration laws, yet come here knowing they will be deported.
Exactly what laws do you think illegals need to break before you start to blame them and want them out of the Country?
Do you think the illegal rapist should be able to stay and support his family? What about the MS-13 gang members who are illegal?