Mexicans Without Borders Defaces Manassas Again
By Greg L | 25 March 2008 | Illegal Aliens, Manassas City | 148 Comments
This is the best (updated 3/25) picture I’ve received so far of the most recent billboard in Manassas on Prince William Street, courtesy of Mexicans Without Borders. This one tops even the original billboard in sheer inanity, and seems to make the claim that illegal aliens in Virginia are actually Native Americans who are being unlawfully discriminated against because of “artificial borders”. As dumb ideas go, this is hard to top.
For those who aren’t up to speed on the saga of this property, it used to be the side of a beautiful and historic house built in the 1800’s on the edge of the historic African-American community in Manassas, and is within the City’s historic district. According to the Manassas City Fire Department, that residence suffered a serious electrical fire as a result of the basement being subdivided into multiple living spaces to facilitate residential overcrowding, with extension cords being run from the second story windows down to the basement. The structure was improperly protected from the elements after the fire and was eventually condemned by the city, and ordered demolished. The owner’s agent, a Mr. Fernandez, left one wall remaining which is the support structure for this billboard, which was ruled a violation of city zoning ordinances. Mr. Fernandez sought to have the property rezoned, and was denied by the Manassas City Council.
As far as I can determine, this is what the sign says:
PWC and Manassas City the National Capital of intolerance
European American exterminated millions of Native Americans in order to steal America, they were the first illegal aliens. European Amercians have a 500 year history of rape, theft, murder, slavery, artificial borders, Jim Crow laws and deportations of Native Americans.
Since 1866 the KKK rode at night to torture, lynch and kill blacks, Native Americans and other people of color. Today the actions of PWC and Manassas City Council are similar to collaboration between local governments and the KKK in the 1900s.
On 2.25.08 Manassas City Mayor Douglas S. Waldron said I am proud that finally we came to agreement with P W C to implement 287g, because we care about our community what community!? 287g is an agreement with Immigration and Customs Enforcement to detain and question Native Americans by police officers at their discretion.
PWC and Manassas City persecute us with our own tax dollars because European Americans would rather have a ghost town than live among Native Americans.
They ignore our voices, they ignore our civil and constitutional rights, there is no democracy. Stop the persecution. We demand equality and justice for all. We will not be the slaves of the 21st century.
Note: transcription corrected 3/25.
The philosophy that appears to underpin this screed is that of the Mexica Movement, which contends that all of North America properly belongs to those of indigenous heritage, that all nations in the Western Hemisphere established by Europeans are illegitimate, and that those of European ethnicity residing in North America should be returned to Europe. Instead of demanding the return of only a few southwestern states to Mexican sovereignty as is the case with the Aztlan movement, the Mexica Movement seeks to place the entirety of North America under the control of indigenous peoples. The Mexica Movement has a following in California (the picture at left was taken in Los Angeles), and perhaps now has a foothold in Virginia.
It is rather curious that the illegal alien lobby seeks to suddenly redefine all their “undocumented” as “Native Americans”, as if slapping a new label on those who have violated our laws will suddenly transform them from lawbreakers into sympathetic victims who were involuntarily crossed by an “artificial border”. This recent hard shift in strategy and possible alignment with yet another radical movement — one with disturbing overtones of racial superiority and cultural separatism — may well be an even greater public relations gaffe than their previous open alignment with the Zapatista Army of National Liberation.
While working toward that long-range goal, [the Mexica Movement] counsels its people to steadfastly eschew any impulse to assimilate into America’s illegitimate society or to embrace its inherently corrupt values. “We are educating our people against the ignorant suicidal assimilation into European blood and culture,” says [the Mexica Movement]. “… Assimilation is the slow motion kill. Assimilation means marrying white to kill the brown in us, to kill the heart of us. Assimilation means the end of us. Assimilation sucks us down into the white race. Assimilation kills our race. Assimilation is the death of us. Assimilation is racism. Assimilation is Genocide.”
This most recent effort at political advocacy again demonstrates how the local illegal alien lobby is fatally out of touch with political reality in Virginia, creating an outrage that is likely to produce a tremendous backlash. Manassas City residents deeply appreciate the public service of outgoing Mayor Doug Waldron, who is about as far removed from extremism as one could possibly imagine, and targeting him personally is a serious political miscalculation. While Manassas City residents might possibly be getting bored with smears of being KKK sympathizers, having Mexicans Without Borders attack Doug Waldron by name may well solidify public opinion against the illegal alien lobby and add momentum to efforts to reduce the number of illegal aliens unlawfully residing in Manassas City.
The City Council has demonstrated a tremendous degree of restraint in dealing with the public nuisance that Mr. Fernandez continues to make of himself. I’m not sure how much longer that restraint will last, as Mr. Fernandez increasingly demonstrates that he is spectacularly undeserving of such deference.
UPDATE: Some quotes from the leader of Mexicans Without Borders, Ricardo Juarez-Nava, might help to provide some context to the new verbiage that adorns Manassas’ historic district at the moment:
Change, justice, and the recognition of our rights will not be achieved through electoral politics. Autonomous struggles are more transcendent and have more impact; traditional politics have been discredited.”
The struggle against social inequality, poverty, and the privatization of public property, that is to say the struggle against capitalism, is the connection with revolutionary potential. We have to question the legitimacy and existence of the establishment as forcefully as possible”
The system has separated us, it forces us to migrate, it displaces us from our own land, but the unity of our struggles here and in Mexico is found in our people, in justice, and the rights for which we fight become ours only through mutual solidarity. In this struggle borders don’t exist.”
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Well, that settles it. The only logical resolution to this problem is the annexation of Mexico. They want SO badly to be part of the United States, why don’t we just make them part of OUR country. They can then live under OUR laws (including tax and wage laws), OUR values, and truly be a part of OUR country…they should welcome our troops with open arms when they march in to take over Mexico. We should be able to do it without firing a shot. We already have at least 10% of their citizens here anyway. Since we already have 25% of El Salvadorans here, perhaps they would like to be annexed too. Just a thought…
(NOTE: Sarcasm alert…maybe)
Yeah… They should really shut up with the “Indian” crap. If it taught us anything, it should be how dangerous lack of border security is…
Well, the first billboard ticked off PWC. This should tick off the entire nation. Shades of the videos seen from Mexifornia. Now they’ve made their way here. I know losing is tough to take, but I didn’t think they would resort to racism of their own. Isn’t this what they accused PWC of on the first billboard! Dumb, Dumb, and Dumber!
ICE RAID in PWC - 34 ARRESTED!
Better article than Wash Compost
http://www.examiner.com/a-1299984~ICE_arrests_34_illegals_in_Manassas.html
This is what I just posted on the “9500 Liberty” (pro-illegal) site:
Just saw the NEW “Liberty Wall”, and it’s just beautiful! Why this one should make some real friends in the local area as well as the Nation. Talk about ticking people off! They must have read that book ‘How to Lose Friends, and Tick off Enemies’. If the first “Liberty Wall” was meant to gather compassion for their cause, then this one is purely meant to start trouble. How much racist crap is one community suppose to take, much less displayed in huge letters, before they force the owner to destroy this public annoyance and eyesore! I’m a “White European” and take great offense at this crap. I’ve never harmed a sole, nor am I guilty of any of the accusations made. You always refer to us as “Demonizing” Latinos. Well, I’d have to say you just “DEMONIZED” most of the LEGAL citizens in this country!
Take your Anti-American crap back across the border while America is still considerate enough to put up with it!
good stories in the washington post today aoubt ICE raiding CMC concrete and also how illegals are running to Maryland and now they might do something.
Who can i report businesses that hire illegals? Which is the quickest way to to get ICE to do what they have did yesterday to the business in Manassas?
I have AT LEAST 10 OTHER COMPANIES THAT HIRE ILLEGALS. They are also in Manassas, Prince William County. What ICE should do is go down each business on Wellington Road and do a check. Start on route 29 and and work down Wellington until it ends Then go down route 28 beginning from Fauquier County and end in Fairfax County. Do this consistent and the illegals will leave!
I am for immigration that is done legal but not illegal.
I think this was a good move by ICE - enforce the existing laws - as the ICE officer said - “We like to turn off the magnet to illegal immigration, which is jobs.” I just wish it was done more aggresively.
Now, ICE or the Feds must prosecute the employers who knowingly paid these workers under the table and knowingly hired these illegal immigrants.
GMAN….thanks for the information on the raid in PWC! That is what we need! It is about time! We need many more of those! Let us all applaud the efforts of ICE to make it happen! We need to have Chief Deane keep on top of things.
ICE needs to check all construction sites/businesses, landscaping businesses, cable companies, restaurants, tortilla factories, etc.
I LOVE the sign! Keep up the great work, Mexicans without Borders. HSM looks forward to more people joining in the near future, as they read you sign!
Re the sign on Liberty Street: It’s free speech. It’s on private property. It only succeeds through publicity (like this web post). Ignore it and it will go away. Give it publicity and it will have served its purpose. endure, and probably be updated regularly.
I bet the MJM is just having a huge laugh now. I wonder when we can expect the MJM to opine on this and how this just shows how the illegals want to get along and just do jobs Americans refuse to do.
Also, Gary has out done himself this time. http://www.insidenova.com/isn/news/opinion/columns/article/what_would_you_do/5577/
Let’s stick to the good news of the RAID in Manassas! Remember….report to ICE any suspicious companies and people…http://www.ice.gov/
If this one raid netted 34 illegals associated with just ONE company….we need many many more raids. To those who keep saying we don’t have a problem with illegal aliens….well…what do you have to say now! Get a grip! Facts are facts!
Gary is a piece of work.
I find this billboard to be ironic since many Mexicans do not even like blacks (see the ethnic cleansing of blacks by Mexicans in LA for example)
Whatever works. Invoke “Jim Crow” and such things to take away from the debate.
Oh and btw, I am black
Let us all applaud ICE for a job well done in Manassas. Obviously one operation netted 34 illegals in just one day with only one company. We need many more raids in our county. Just for reference: http://www.ice.gov/
Use it to report businesses and people you think are involved in illegal immigration.
http://www.poststar.com/articles/2008/03/24/news/latest/doc47e7ffd99f2c7674812918.txt
“Illegal alien jailed for attempting to use fake Social Security card”
I want to start seeing this kind of activity in our county. We know illegal aliens are on the dole.
I wish ICE would bust one of those illegal alien rallies. If they want to send a message, that would surely do it.
The raids in Manassas should be front page on here. This is what we need more of…MORE ACTIVITY by THE ICE!
I agree with the person stating that all who hire ILLEGALS need investigating and there are many more company’s IN MANASSAS that need a visit from ICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Will the concrete company be fined or charged with hiring and employeeing illegals? They sure as hell should be. I hope other businesses see this and think twice about the employees that currently have and would hire in the future.
Singular Voice: Check out the Duke study on illegal Hispanic views toward black people if you have not already. It will make your gut curdle.
The Navajo Nation are a true Native American people that have lived in what is now the southwestern US for thousands of years. There is a deep dislike for Mexican people among Navajos, because for hundreds of years they fought against Mexicans who raided their land and used them for slaves.
Mexicans are a mixed race people, and should not be considered indigenous. To add to the irony, the region of Aztlan was aquired through battle and conquest of the non-Mexican indigenous peoples.
This entire movement is eerily similar to the German Nazi movment. The language used is almost identical to Nazi propaganda ( purity of blood, evils of assimilation with an inferior race, past wrongs that must be righted through conquest, etc.). At what point does freedom of speech become hate speech?
Correct me if I’m wrong. Didn’t Cortez kill the Aztecs? Maybe all the Mexicans should go back to Spain.
The fact that this sign is still up in defiance of the law shows just how out of touch with reality OUR OWN politicians are, by believing that caving in to these people is somehow going to make everything alright. What crap! Get a D9 and mow that thing down and send the owner a bill.
When do the roach coaches and ice cream carts open for business at 9500?
starryflights said on 25 Mar 2008 at 8:19 am:
Gary is a piece of work.
……and he’s brain dead from the paint fumes he inhaled when he hired day laborers to do his painting.
Old Soldier said on 25 Mar 2008 at 8:04 am:
Re the sign on Liberty Street: It’s free speech.
Why didn’t you give the full address? “Give it publicity and it will have served its purpose.” YOU JUST DID!
Angry Blackman! said on 25 Mar 2008 at 9:15 am:
The raids in Manassas should be front page on here.
Agree, but you won’t find that happening in the MJM. You might find it at the end of the week on the back page.
The sign is just racist crap now. Once again, were I to display such a monstrosity of bigotry on my lawn, the targets of the hatefulness would be within their rights to beat me senseless. I would deserve it. Those people are ugly and should go back to Mexico and whine about being treated unfairly. Nobody would listen. Best we ignore their hate and concentrate on kicking them out. We don’t want them or their hate in our community.
Anonymous said on 25 Mar 2008 at 10:10 am:
Add (humor on)
In the words of our late great president Ronald Reagan: ‘Tear down that wall, Mr. Waldron!!!’
Greg, please consider holding an HSM membership drive accross from that pathetic sign.
GREAT! This sign along with the recent illegal alien crack-down in Manassas, VA will only help our cause to wake more people up to the illegal alien problem in our community!
Anyone willing to take bets on how long before this one gets firebombed?
My guess is whomever did it made it so asinine as to get as much attention as possible then that same person or someone else affiliated will then destroy it and claim the white racists of Manassas did it.
A last ditch effort. Mark my words.
Someone should install security cameras around that sign.
This really is outrageous. Who would have thought such a display would be tolerated 20 years ago? How are these non-citizens demanding their “civil and constitutional rights”? And the mianstream press continues to press the case of these brazen outlaws? What has become of our society? America, what happened? Our citizens must come first before those of the rest of the world.
Loudoun Insider said on 25 Mar 2008 at 4:55 pm
It is all part of the NAU. It is coming and coming soon.
I concur, Medic64. Alex Jones interviews Lou Dobbs and suggests the falling dollar will be the impetus for the Amero currency to replace the dollar. We have very little industry of our own to support a financial crisis. http://operationawakening.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/alex-jones-interviews-lou-dobbs/
Mando said on 25 Mar 2008 at 3:47 pm:
My guess is whomever did it made it so asinine as to get as much attention as possible then that same person or someone else affiliated will then destroy it and claim the white racists of Manassas did it.
A last ditch effort. Mark my words.
I mark your words. Those were basically my words too a while back. Hasn’t happened - YET!
/\/\3|)iç 64:
It is all part of the NAU. It is coming and coming soon.
Not NAU! Not ever!
I find it incredulous that this property has been condemned, that the remaining wall is in violation of that condemnation, and yet, the wall still exists. What is the definition of a hate crime in this country? Is it only if I, a white person, says something derogatory to a person of another race? But they are allowed to call me any malicious, untrue, hateful, ignorant word they want to. If that does not incite hatred, I don’t know what does. I now dislike ALL hispanics - I don’t even want to wait to figure out if they are here legally or not. I am here legally - I obey the laws and pay my taxes and do what is expected of me. I don’t want a handout or special treatment or special consideration because of my “race, creed or color”. The white man is now on the other side of discrimination - if I create the National White Person College Fund or the Association for the Advancement of White People, I would be shunned. Wake up white people!
AWW,
You go girl! It’s about time we face the fact that should we become a minority it won’t be a pretty picture. You can forget any assistance or respect from the new majority!
well, if they don’t want to be our “slaves of the 21st Century” then they’d better get up and move on out!
Idiotic racist drivel…
Wine please,
Exactly. What is exactly keeping them here? They are free to leave anytime they want to.
I think the motives of 9500 are to escalate the rhetoric to the point where the City Council are forced to take action, at which time the 9500 crew will bring suit against the City for violating their first ammendment rights. They are trying to bait the community.
I think the city should seize the property under eminent domain. The lot is zoned residential, but one could argue that the sole use of the property is currently is non-residential in nature. Furthermore, the sign is clearly a public nuisance, and is depriving neighbors of the peaceful enjoyment of their homes. Years ago, the city used this power to seize and demolish several homes due to drug activity. They should do the same here.
Manassas Guy said on 26 Mar 2008 at 7:42 am:
In all honesty, I think that will happen. They are just letting enough time pass so their case is air tight and they can be sure of a win and withstand all appeals. They are coming, just give it time. The city may not be a s dumb as we think they are. If the sign causes enough trouble, then the first amendment rights will be moot.
The comments by Angry White Woman is exactly what we don’t need on here. Makes me think she’s an impostor and not really who she says she is.
I have to agree, what Angry White Woman said was offensive. I understand the anger created by the actions of illegal aliens. However, to say you hate all Hispanics is racist and wrong. No one should support that point of view; it’s anti-American and against what we stand for.
AWW said:
“I now dislike ALL hispanics - I don’t even want to wait to figure out if they are here legally or not. I am here legally - ”
This I do not agree with.
AWW said:
I find it incredulous that this property has been condemned, that the remaining wall is in violation of that condemnation, and yet, the wall still exists. What is the definition of a hate crime in this country? Is it only if I, a white person, says something derogatory to a person of another race? But they are allowed to call me any malicious, untrue, hateful, ignorant word they want to. If that does not incite hatred, I don’t know what does.
I agree with this. I speak abut this very thing with Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.
Did they come back and apologize to the Duke boys?
No!
Did they use their influence to help them restore their reputation?
No!
Did they come out and say they were wrong in what they said about them?
No!
If that isn’t racists, then what is? Imus said a mean thing in a joking manner and apologized profusely for it and even lost his job, which I thought was a bit extreme considering Jackson and Sharpton are members of the cloth and they should be teaching forgiveness. They roasted him badly. What he said was wrong, IMHO. What happened next was just as wrong, especially after he apologized to the young ladies face to face. This PC crap will be the end of us all.
Angry White Woman said “I now dislike ALL hispanics - I don’t even want to wait to figure out if they are here legally or not.”
AWW how can you possibly judge a whole race or ethnic group of people based on a few?
I periodically read this blog and I am usually astounded an amazed at the hated that is spewed here. What kind of people are you? Why do you gloat about human suffering? Have you no soul or conscience? Most of you seem to be thrilled about the 34 concrete workers being rounded up. What about their children who will be left fatherless and without the basic simple needs of life? Have you not considered their suffering? This is not about being pro hispanic or pro white or pro black or even pro American. It has to do with human beings all created in the likeness and image of God. How do you conveniently forget that we all have the same Father and are commanded to “Love one Another”.
Another issue that causes me heartburn. This notion that only those of us born in the US are Americans. The reference on the Liberty St sign that makes reference to Native Americans is not an untrue statement. Most all Central and South Americans, in case you did not know, are Americans and refer to themselves as such. Canadians also refer to themselves as Americans. How arrogant of people to think the only Americans are the ones born in the US!!
The sign is offensive and has driven up membership in HSM while bring attention to the entire area. While I fully disagree with the “billboard” (of which it is not), it has been a sure sign of the what illegals think of us and what they think, we think of them. Blaming us for inaccurate and debatable historical events over the last 500 years is inane.
They need a “victim” to make their actions work. This is how liberals attempt to succeed - a necessary “victim”. Without one, they have no case. Invention and blame is the best way, they believe.
Now, we are slave owners, responsible for all that is wrong in the world, let’s see, oh yeah, “they” built America, we are the real “savages” and of course, we enslave rob, rape, kill, maim and destroyed everything in our path to have what we have today - a nice place for illegals to come and live in a better place than they left because if central america is SO great, then why in the hell did they leave?
Thank you to MWB for driving the wedge deeper. You only bury yourselves in the end. You demand some “equality” when you don’t deserve it, never earning it. You left countries with nearly no law, corrupt officials, death squads, drug lords and governments who oppress. You bring us MS13 and other gangs, you kill our citizens and your own illegals, you drive drunk and nearly kill police officers and kill many others, you work for low wages (many brought on by your own “brothers”) which lowers our economy, hurts other employers and workers who play by the rules, you demand that we turn over our land to you, the “heir apparent” to a land “we stole and enslaved”, you hang around businesses all the while getting drunk, urinating and cat calling the girls looking for cheap labor which is paid “under the table” and CHEATS all of us and yourselves.
Do you, MWB, think we are stupid? Do you think we care about your sniveling inane “billboard”? You are NOT this country and you certainly do NOT represent yourselves as deserving “citizens”.
THAT is what your sign says and represents. If you get a reaction of anger, what did you expect? Sympathy, for the words and accusations you have on that “sign”?
Illegals - GO HOME! Illegals - GO HOME! Illegals - GO HOME NOW!
We welcome those immigrants that went through the process, got their visas, in hope of the opportunities that this great country offers. All others, the welcome mat is GONE.
Political Correctness = Passive Aggressive
Red, White and Blue said on 26 Mar 2008 at 11:41 am:
Well written and explained.
FHL,
What about my kids whose education has been affected by the kids of illegal aliens? What about my nephew whose at Weems, is very bright but is in a class of 25 (back when school started in Sept. 07) with only 5 Americans and the rest are kids of illegals which have in turn have caused the curriculum to be dumbed down?
What about my parents who lived in the City of Manassas since the 70’s and now are in the age of retirement but have watched their community go down the drain because of illegals? What about my son who had an emergency so I take him to Prince William Hospital and had to wait hours and mind you, I pay for and have insurance but yet had to wait while their colds get checked out?
Hell Yeah…I’m Glad to see ICE get involved and hope they do more!
P.S.
If they are so worried about their families,
then why not pack up and leave which is the right thing
to do? Leave and and comeback legally.
@FHL
You’re shocked by AWW judging an entire race of people on the actions of a few which is fine. Then you go on to judge the rest of us on the statements of AWW. Hypocritcal ya think???
I’m thrilled that ICE has finally come to town to enforce the Federal Immigration laws. How exactly are children being left fatherless? Are the fathers choosing not to take their children back with them when they are deported for coming here illegally? Is that my fault? Why should I feel guilty for someone elses poor decisions? I feel bad for the innocents affected by their parents poor decsions but the responsibility lies SOLEY on the shoulders of those that made those decisions.
Mando said on 26 Mar 2008 at 2:32 pm:
It all cones down to consequences. There are consequences for your actions and you better be prepared to face them when the time comes.
These could be good, such as a raise in pay or bad, such as deportation. Which ever the case, there are consequences for your actions.
I apologize for offending anyone. I have step-children who are half Peruvian and whose mother did not come here legally. She married their father, and became legal. For 30 years, she has used and abused the welfare system, the school system, the hospital system, the Court system, and raised her children to do the same. That is what we face in the future. Children of illegals having children and teaching them the “easy way out”. Don’t follow rules. Don’t obey laws. They don’t apply to you - only to the gringos and other fools who tow the line. I agree with Angry Black Man - I too have had to go to the Emergency Room and wait behind earaches and splinters. My daughter also attended school with illegals and became so bored and unmotivated she left and got her GED. The illegals take Spanish class to get an easy “A”. These people do not want to indoctrinate into society - they want special privileges, rights, laws, benefits. And they want us to pay for them! That is not the way of the citizens of the United States, and I, for one, am tired of condoning it.
I am too AWW. Take away the incentives and they will leave.
We must learn to live in peace and harmony. However we cannot re-write history. Many of the people commenting on the sign want to ignore history and re-write a false history and call the truth racism and hate. If some one rapes and beats your mother, steals your car, murders your child and when you state the facts to the police be begins to claim that you are speak hate and abusing him, this is called insanity. All the sign does is state historic facts in plain simple terms. You must face what was done and work for justice based upon this. These are some of the facts:
1) Borders and foreign laws have been used for 500 years to steal and control Native American land and wealth.
2) In 1714 our border was the James River. Our people Native Americans, native to what you call Virginia, and have been here for over 10,000 years. In 1714 Euro-Americans declared that we were illegal aliens in our own homeland if we went north of the James River.
3) In 1830 the border was the Mississippi River. Any Indian east of the Mississippi River was an illegal alien.
4) By the 1860’s the borders was reservations. Any Native American off the reservation was an illegal alien.
5) Convenient laws such as the Indian Removal act of 1830 resulted in the deportation of thousands of Native Americans and thousands of deaths with the Trail of Tears.
6) The border was then moved to the Rio Grande River. Laws foreign to Native America and artificial borders have been used for 500 years to control Native Americans and our land and wealth.
7) Convenient laws such as the one drop rule allowed the theft of Indian land in VA because if there are no more Indians the land is free for the taking.
9) Euro-Americans killed millions of Native Americans in worst fashion than Hitler (see La Casas writings from the 1500’s). Hitler studied the tactics used against Native Americans to formulate his murderous plans.
10) Euro-American colonialism has waged and un-relentless war against Brown indigenous people for 500 years. Most recently one million dead people from Iraq approved by your vote for George Bush, thousands dead in Central American and still being kills from the actions of Ollie North and Ronald Regan which has created war and turmoil for over twenty years, millions dead in Africa, over a million dead brown people in Vietnam and Cambodia and the list is one mile long. Brown indigenous people are being killed everyday with your tax dollars and your approval by your votes, support and talk.
11) Millions of Native American were enslaved.
12) Thousands of people of color were lynched such as my great uncle in 1914 in Va.
13) You are today deporting Native Americans from their own historic homelands in America with new Jim Crow laws and the Indian Removal Acts of 2008.
14) There were no borders, no wars, no poverty, no rape, no murder, not theft before the Europeans came. Read La Casas. Europe had just gone through 1,000 years of dark ages and knew nothing but rape, murder, theft, genocide. Before the Europeans there was liberty, freedom and abundance for all.
15) The United States is built on stolen land with stolen people’s lives and wealth.
16) In what we call VA we went from 2 million Native Americans in 1492 to less than 600 by the time were placed on the Fort Christanna reservation in Brunswick Co VA. Two million of our people were exterminated as documented by the European La Casas.
Everything you own was built upon this stolen wealth and dead bodies. As the receivers of this this stolen property how do you deal with the people it was stolen from. Do you falsely label them as illegal aliens and deport them again? Do you face the truth and seek to live in harmony?
These are the facts. They are not racist facts!!! We know that the truth is hard to hear but you must face it. We desiring living here in peace. When people who reside on land stolen from others via rape, murder and theft, handed down from illegal immigrants, began calling indigenous people illegal aliens, they must be careful because all one has to do is hold up a mirror. It is time to live in peace but as long as you call our indigenous people illegal aliens and illegal immigrants and continue 500 years of genocide with deportations of indigenous people, we must remind you of the REAL history and how your behavior fits into your long history of racism, theft, and control.
I have many more facts you share with you all.
IndigenousNativeAmerican
Living in VA for over 10,000 years!!!!!!!!!!!
To Indigenous Native American:
I am horrified at what has been done to the Native Americans - it was an atrocity, that is for sure, and I am sympathetic to all you say. I was equally horrified at the treatment of the jews by the Nazis and the slaves taken from their native lands. I do not classify the Native American as an “illegal alien”.
IndigenousNativeAmerican said on 26 Mar 2008 at 4:49 pm:
GEESH!!!
I am not even going to comment on so much BS.
Dear Angry White Woman:
Thank you for the kind comments. Before contact there were no borders. Everyone living on Turtle Island (north and south America) was Native American. By foreigners coming to TI and declaring a border does not make the indigenous people north of the border Native American and the people to the south of it Non-Native American. We are all NA. The indigenous people of TI never agreed to these borders on their land. They were forced on us, thus they are not binding on us. This is all the sign is trying to wake people up to. I realize that most white people have never thought of the issue from this perspective but please please do because we need to see what we are doing to Native Americans and come to peace with our treatment of Native Americans.
We all, including most white people, have had the wool pulled over our eyes and now most people do not see Hispanics and Latinos as NA. However, there is no such race as Hispanic or Latino. They are races created by Euro-Americans long ago to hide the fact that they are Indian. The changing of our race to a newly created race is nothing new. It happened right here in VA specifically in order to maintain control of Indian land.
Some people say that the people in question are mixed and therefore cannot claim to be Native American. The state of Va recognizes eight tribes. All of these tribes are of mixed people. There are many more not recognized by VA. The same is true of NC and SC with the exception of the Cherokee. I know Lakota from the Pine Ridge reservation who are 89% Indian. Being mixed is not criteria for dis-avowing ones Native American race. If this is true why do white people refer to a person with one drop of black blood as Black.
Look closely at the people that you have been seeing as immigrants. If you look close you will see that they are Indian–Native American. Some don’t even speak Spanish or English. They still speak their Indigenous Native American language. When you visit a Mexican restaurant you are not eating Mexican food. This is Native American food the same as our Siouan people ate here in VA in 1491.
Many things were done to hide the genocide of the past from ALL of us: white, black and Indian and if we don’t wake up from this intentional deception, we will find ourselves participating in the continuation of a 500 year old genocide. The return of our bothers from the south is part of prophecies that were told long before contact. They bring with them much wisdom regarding our future.
Just because someone has the mindset to steal something and the cleverness to get away with it does it make the stole property theirs and they have the right to treat the original owners as outsiders–aliens, immigrants. What we have created with the Mexican Border is an apartheid system with the Indians on a large reservation called Mexico.
Mr. Geesh:
Please comment so that I can provide sources for all that I say. We cannot bury our heads in the sand. The truth will set you free. The people we are deporting are Native Americans who were living in what we call Turtle Island 50,000 years before Columbus was born. How can they possibly be illegal immigrants. We do not want to incite any hatred in white people or anyone else. We just want to awaken people to what they are doing each day and how it fits into the patterns of history genocide against Native Americans.
We can all live here in harmony if we stop throwing stones regarding who the illegal immigrants and stop trying to deportation indigenous peopl and begin a dialogue regarding how we live in peace and harmony. All we have to do is take care of Mother Earth and one another and live the Indigenous Way and all are welcome. However, the prophecies have foretold what will happen to those who do not do this.
IndigenousNativeAmerican
Living in VA for over 10,000 years!!!!!!!!!!!
Indigenous Native American, it’s amazing what people will come up with to justify breaking the law.
Actually Dignidad, I don’t believe that this guy is actually an American Indian. Their concerns are far more rational and localized. I believe that we are being scammed by John Steinbach (sounds like his writing) under a pseudonym that he should be ashamed to use, making our true Native Americans sound like some extreme radical socialists. This person (if you thoroughly read the last comment) also obviously had something to do with the latest rendition of that “sign” in Old Town. I swear I believe these people are trying very hard to start a race war of some kind.
I wonder if your average illegal aliens realize how they are being used by these Anarchists and Socialists who are trying to further their own agenda, attempting to create violent discord and a breakdown of civil authority. I wonder if these illegal aliens realize that Anarchists and extreme Socialists are famous for using peons as cannon fodder while they sit back and place themselves in positions of power so that they can properly enslave these expendable peons to their on ends. So, John, what do you have to say for yourself?
Check his IP Greg…bet it’ll put him in the Yorkshire area of Manassas.
Correction: “own” ends…sorry.
Dignidad:
Lets talk details. What of what I have said is incorrect? Nobody has come up with anything. These are HARD, COLD facts. As Martin Luther King stated, immoral laws are not laws at all. Nothing is being broken. He stated that we have an obligation to break immoral laws so that they can be righted. What if Rosa Parks had given up her seat on the white man on the bus. She intentionally broke an immoral law so that the world would see what kinds of laws people were passing. As most white people and the world come to understand that you are deporting and persecuting Native Americans, these laws will fall just as the racist laws in VA fell 50 years ago.
Again how can you take someone’s property, draw a line on it, then pass laws on their property stating they cannot cross the line. And when they cross the line, on their own land, you call them criminals. I understand this because white people did this to us here in VA and we have been here for tens of thousands of years.
““There shall be set out and assigned for the Settlement of the said nation of Indians who shall hereafter be deemed as incorporated into one Nation a Tract of Land upon the south side of James River above the inhabitants equal to six miles square whereon they may build a Fort and make improvements for the convenience and Subsistence of their families, And moreover all the unpatented lands between James River and Roanoke shall be assigned for the hunting grounds of the said Nation. . . none of the said Indians shall depart off the grounds allotted for their habitation nor repair to the Towns of the other Tributary Indians expert [sic] in company with some of the English residing at the said Fort neither shall any of the said Indians depart off their hunting grounds or come among the Inhabitants without the License of the Governor or the Captain of the Fort or in company of some Englishman belonging to the said Fort on pain of being punished at the Governor’s discretion…”
Please give me some details people so we can get this dialogue going. Isn’t this GREAT!!!!
IndigenousNativeAmerican
Living in VA for over 10,000 years!!!!!!!!!!!
Come on John…you can stop scamming now and pretending to be something you are not. Man up and put your name on it. We have a mutual friend who knew you “when,” so you’re not fooling anybody.
AW:
I don’t know who John is and I am not Mexica or with the Mexica-Movement. We are native to the land that you call VA and have been here for tens of thousands of years. If after all your people have done we are still able to say you are welcome here as long as you live the Indigenous Way, why can’t you be welcoming? Did the dark ages in Europe leave such a deep, mean, nasty scar that all love and feeling is gone. Is nothing left but bitterness and hate? We must learn to co-exist in peace and stop throwing stones. And calling indigenous people “illegal aliens” is a hell of a stone when you are the real illegal aliens. We must heal from the hurts of those dark ages and heal from the holocaust inflicted on Native Americans across Turtle Island and re-learn caring.
The holocaust done to our people was cultural, physical, emotional, mental, identity and spiritual. Most of our people were shamed and forced into forgetting who they were. You’d better claim to be Black or Hispanic or something other than Indian or you’d find yourself a dead illegal alien. This is true in VA, NC, the South East, Mexico, South American, Puerto Rico. A token number of Native Americans were left with their identity, but small enough numbers that they posed no threat to manifest destiny. Now after the freedoms delivered after the civil rights movement people are waking up. And there are dozens of tribes and thousands of Natives waking up and coming together and it is unstoppable.
http://indigenousbordersummitamericas2007.blogspot.com/
Nobody is talking about giving anything back, we are talking peaceful co-existence. White people must understand that you are and have been a small minority on Turtle Island since 1492. You have been living an illusion thinking you were the majority here. Like South Africa and India the small white minority has tried to control the native population on Turtle Island, while sucking the wealth of the Natives land and controlling the natives on segregated portions of their own land with borders and passing racist laws to enforce these borders.
As the walls fall in the last strong hold of colonialism, now on Turtle Island, just as they fell in South Africa and India, white people just as in these countries will find that they really are a small minority in someone else’s home. There is nothing wrong with this but it will cause one to pull back on the arrogance and become more humble and stop the propaganda about who are the illegal immigrants and the call for deportations. You may find that your own words come back to haunt you in a few years. So again the point is tolerance, peace and to stop throwing stones.
IndigenousNativeAmerican
Living in VA for over 10,000 years!!!!!!!!!!!
IndigenousNativeAmerican, with all due respect I live in the present and choose to stay here and deal with reality.
If you keep posting to it, it will not go away. If you ignore it, the 15 minutes will evaporate.
Yes, and so do we live in the present. And in the present we have Turtle Island being populated with Native Americans. This is the reality. Why are you trying to change this and go back to the 1940’s. We cannot turn back the hands of time. Segregation had its time and it has come and gone. The reality in the present is that we are here!!!
In addition the reality is that this a Native American continent and always has been. The only way to live here is with Native Americans. If people are uncomfortable living as a minority in someone else’s home then the only option is to go back to your own home. Europe is majority white and if this is where one feels comfortable, in the majority, then one must go there. I am not asking anyone to leave. All I am saying is if one desires segregation this is the answer.
The reality is we are the majority here. The reality is that the extermination, relocation, deportation, reclassification, socialization efforts did not work. This is THE reality. When I drive through Manassas it looks like Pembroke NC, 90% Indian. This is the reality. Why are you trying to live in the past in 1940 when it was 90% white and segregated?
Yes, we are in agreement we have to live in the present and deal with reality and stop dreaming about days gone by.
IndigenousNativeAmerican
Living in VA for over 10,000 years!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m a direct decendent of people from the lost continent of Atlantis off the coast of “Turtle Island”. We were the original inhabitants of the land mass “IndigenousNativeAmerican” refers to as Turtle Island but were forced to flee our lands by the invading hoardes crossing the frozen land bridge between Turtle Island and the Great Pine Land Mass (now Eastern Russia). My people arrived here 20,000 years ago on our mothership, long before the so called “native American” people. We were a peaceful and advanced society wanting only to coexist in harmony with the invading people from the Great Pine Land Mass but those people would have none of it. What few survivors we had fled Turtle Island to the remote island of Atlantis. In dismay, we watched as the savages fought and killed one another over our land. Out of shear sadness we sank our island and left them to their wars and pillaging.
Since this was all pre-history, we sometimes come back and create what you call “crop circles” as a historical record to remind all the Turtle Islanders of their savagery in chasing us from our land.
Over time, we allowed some of our people to breed with the white race in western Europe. We did this so we could re-take our land from the savage Turtle Islanders. Our first succesful Atlantisian-European descendent in exacting our ultimate revenge was none other then Christopher Columbus. 100’s of years later we have finally retaken our land from the Turtle Islanders and stopped the savagery. Now it is they that want peaceful coexistance??? Don’t let the savage Turtle Islanders fool you!!!
Atlantisian American:
Why are you clowning and joking when people’s lives are at stake. Millions of our people have been exterminated and this is documented even in your history books. This is no joke. If it were your mother who had been raped, and your daughter who had both arms cut off and you son who had been castrated and you had been tuned into a slave and beaten with a whip I don’t think you would joking around. Lets get serious and have a real dialogue. There is nothing to be afraid of. The truth will set you free!!!! Please read the history on Christopher Columbus. His actions of extermination are on a par with Hitler and yet you celebrate him as a hero. The history is there for all to read. How can you make fun of this horrible activity.
And how can you still call Native Americans savages. Do all white people in Prince William agree that Native Americans are savages? Is this what we movement in Prince William is all about?
Do you laugh and joke when watching the documentaries of the liberation of the concentration cames in Germany with hundreds of starved bodies being piled into open graves. Do you sit around and write fables about how the Nazis were the real victims of the nasty Jews and the murder of six million Jews were just revenge. What kind of people are you. Are you representative of all of the white people in Prince William. Do you also laugh and joke regarding black slavery and oppression? Singular Voice (btw I’m Black) and other white people in Prince William do you agree that murder, rape, theft, genocide and slavery is a big joke. Did you laugh and joke when you watched Roots. Was slavery against Black people also revenge against them and a funny joke.
Singular Voice (btw I’m Black). Are you aware that the ethnic cleansing that you speak of in LA has its roots in Washington DC with Ronald Regan and Ollie North. Do the research. There are people who have destabilized societies and created wars. The gangs in LA of indigenous people are a result of the wars of the 1980’s in Central America where our votes and tax dollars created warriors and now these warriors have come to the US. Didn’t Malcolm X say something about chickens coming home to roust. The creation of these gangs by the central American wars was recently shown on a documentary on the history channel. The problems of gangs of brown people whether Native or African American are the results of hundreds of years of slavery, manipulation and oppression. Rousting Chickens!!!!
We must have a serious dialogue regarding peace and harmony and end the jokes regarding murdered, enslaved and colonized brown people world wide. (and black people are actually brown).
IndigenousNativeAmerican
Living in VA for over 10,000 years!!!!!!!!!!!
I may be confused, joining this debate at this time, but aren’t we getting off track. Isn’t this about illegal aliens coming into this country, not native americans who were born here?
USA4VR:
Please read the thread. The people that you refer to as illegal aliens are in fact Native Americans. It is all explained above. The mis-labeling of Native American’s as something else, in order to control of the land, has a 500 year history. Please read from the top!!
IndigenousNativeAmerican
Living in VA for over 10,000 years!!!!!!!!!!!
USA4VR said on 27 Mar 2008 at 4:40 pm:
You are right, it is. Never mind the rhetoric used to direct you into another direction, typical liberal musings to confuse the issue.
IndigenousNativeAmerican said on 27 Mar 2008 at 5:43 pm:
USA4VR:
Please read the thread. The people that you refer to as illegal aliens are in fact Native Americans. It is all explained above. The mis-labeling of Native American’s as something else, in order to control of the land, has a 500 year history. Please read from the top!!
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Dude, sounds like you’re speaking of anarchy! Mexicans are not indigenous. They are a mixed race of people. No one here is calling an American Indian ‘illegal!’ I think you’re a liar when you say you are not part of the Mexica Movement or any other of those racist groups!!!
Atlantisian American, thanks for the comic relief!
IndigenousNativeAmerican, you really are not going to convince anyone here, it might be better for your peace of mind to give up.
We kicked their butts out of the border states a long time ago because we had the bigger stick. We still have the bigger stick, we just are not using it as we should. It’s our land, not theirs. They can try and take it back but they will awaken something that will scare the dirt out of them if they do. They “migrated” south when we kicked their butts, so they can thank their ancestors for that. They should go to France…
The legal definition for “illegal immigrant” is:
illegal immigrant
n. an alien (non-citizen) who has entered the United States without government permission or stayed beyond the termination date of a visa.
See also: alien
What part of that applies to the Native American? None.
The law is clear, the motives are clear - pleading ignorance of the law does not excuse anyone, of any nationality, from breaking the law.
Further, the definitions of Hispanic, Hispanization, Assimilation are as follows:
Definitions in the USA:
Further information: Racial demographics of the United States and Race and ethnicity in the United States Census and History of Latinos and Hispanics in the United States
During the 1970s, the United States Government defined the term “Hispanic” to identify Latin American individuals, and their descendants, living in the U.S., regardless of race.[6]
The ethnic label Hispanic was the result of efforts by a New Mexican U.S. Senator, Joseph Montoya, who wanted a label that could be used to quantify the Spanish-speaking population for the US Census. The label Hispanic was chosen in part because in New Mexico, people of Spanish descent such as Montoya referred to themselves as hispanos which was anglicized as “Hispanic”.
The U.S. Office of Management and Budget currently defines “Hispanic or Latino” as “a person of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race”.[7]
The terms Hispanic and Latino tend to be used interchangeably in the United States, due largely to a syntax inconsistency between the English language and the Spanish language.[citation needed] Some define the term “Latino” as a shortened version of the noun ‘”Latin American”. Others define the word “Latin” as the name of the language used by the ancient Romans, while “Latino” is the name given to the people who spoke the language.
Hispanization
Hispanization is the process by which a place or a person absorbs characteristics of Hispanic society and culture… Hispanization of a person is illustrated by, but not limited to, speaking Spanish, making and eating Latin food, listening to Spanish language music, dressing in Santa Fe style or other Hispanic styles, and participating in Hispanic festivals and holidays.
Assimilation
Hispanization is the opposite of assimilation. Assimilation is the process by which a minority culture absorbs characteristics of the dominant society and culture. In the United States Anglo culture has long been the dominant culture and, historically, U.S. immigrants have assimilated by the third generation. For example, by the third generation most Ukrainian-Americans have lost the ability to speak Ukrainian, make Ukrainian easter eggs, cook Ukrainian food, play Ukrainian music, or dance like a Cossack. A few immigrant groups to the U.S. have been slow to assimilate–Greeks, Chinese, and especially Hispanics.
Language retention is a common index to assimilation, and according to the 2000 census, about 75 percent of all Hispanics spoke Spanish in the home — even many Hispanics who can trace their ancestry to the original settlement of the U.S. Southwest between 1598 and 1769…
TDB:
TDB: “sounds like you’re speaking of anarchy!”
INA: What have you been smoking. Anarchy!! How is showing what has happened to Native Americans anarchy? How is stating that we have a right to be in our home lands for 50,000 years racist?
TDB: “Mexicans are not indigenous. They are a mixed race of people.”
INA: Black American’s are a mixed race. Does this mean they are not black? White’s are mixed. Does this mean they are not white? How is it that one drop of black blood makes one black but 90% Indian blood does not make you Indian. Sounds like racist rules meant to benefit a select group of people. Most South eastern Recognized Indians are mixed. Have you been to any VA, NC, SC pow wow’s?
TDB: “No one here is calling an American Indian ‘illegal!’”
INA: Yes you absolutely are. Some of the people being deported speak neither Spanish nor English but their indigenous native American language. I could take some people you call illegal and take some people that are recognized as Indians in the US and I asked you to pick the Native Americans. I guarantee you that you would pick many people you call illegal as Native American and some people recognized as Indian you would say were white or black.
TDB: I think you’re a liar when you say you are not part of the Mexica Movement or any other of those racist groups!!!
INA: Why such harsh accusations. Why are you calling me a lair and racist. What have I said that was racist? Show me one lie that I have told. I am talking inclusion and not segregation. Peace and harmony and not against anyone. Please be specific and give details to support your general accusations.
IndigenousNativeAmerican
Living in VA for over 10,000 years!!!!!!!!!!!
Dave said, “We kicked their butts out of the border states a long time ago because we had the bigger stick. We still have the bigger stick . . . They “migrated” south when we kicked their butts, so they can thank their ancestors for that.”
Dave:
So you are bragging because you murdered and exterminated millions of innocent, non-violent Native Americans as documented in your books. Are you saying the only thing that matters is who has the power to rape, steal, rob and murder. I thought earlier you had problems with the people at issue because they had broken the law and were criminals. I thought you had issue with violent gangs and drugs. But now you openly advocate violence and theft? Wow!! Do your children and neighbors know your values regarding theft and violence.
Are these the values of the white people in Prince William county and Virginia. Perhaps you are correct. I don’t think so. I think most white people are honest hardworking people who do not believe in theft and murder. Please speak up white people. Who is correct Dave or myself? Is Dave speaking for you.
IndigenousNativeAmerican
Living in VA for over 10,000 years!!!!!!!!!!!
“The legal definition for “illegal immigrant” is: illegal immigrant
n. an alien (non-citizen) who has entered the United States without government permission or stayed beyond the termination date of a visa. See also: alien What part of that applies to the Native American? None. The law is clear, the motives are clear - pleading ignorance of the law does not excuse anyone, of any nationality, from breaking the law.”
In 1714 it was illegal for me to be north of the James River because white people came into my land, disobeyed our laws, wrote their own laws which have no moral validity here, stole our land, created a border on our land and made me an illegal alien when I crossed a border on my land.
“There shall be set out and assigned for the Settlement of the said nation of Indians who shall hereafter be deemed as incorporated into one Nation a Tract of Land upon the south side of James River above the inhabitants equal to six miles square whereon they may build a Fort and make improvements for the convenience and Subsistence of their families, And moreover all the unpatented lands between James River and Roanoke shall be assigned for the hunting grounds of the said Nation. . . none of the said Indians shall depart off the grounds allotted for their habitation nor repair to the Towns of the other Tributary Indians expert [sic] in company with some of the English residing at the said Fort neither shall any of the said Indians depart off their hunting grounds or come among the Inhabitants without the License of the Governor or the Captain of the Fort or in company of some Englishman belonging to the said Fort on pain of being punished at the Governor’s discretion…”
The people north and south of your border are the same people. How can the ones north of the border be Native American and the ones south of it be something else.
When laws and borders are put in place with violence and oppression, with the specific intent of stealing someone else’s property, is this really a law? Or is it a criminal offense. What if some one came into your house right now with a gun, sat down at your dinner table and wrote a bunch of rules and proclaimed these as the law at the point of a gun. Are you morally obligated the follow these laws?
Was the law that turned people into slaves really a law? Was the law that put a bounty on Indian scalps of $50 really a law? Was the law that said all Jews must be exterminated really a law? Were these real laws or crimes. Of course they are crimes and if you are an accomplice to a crime then this makes you a criminal as well.
IndigenousNativeAmerican
Living in VA for over 10,000 years!!!!!!!!!!!
IndigenousNativeAmerican, you can fantasize and justify all you want. You can talk about history and pre-history, but that doesn’t change the reality of the here and now. There are boundaries and laws with the resulting real life consequences. I can’t imagine an immigration judge being anything but amused or irritated at the Turtle Island, non-Hispanic jibberish before he deports the illegal alien back to his true native country.
As far as the tragedies that the Native Americans suffered, I think it’s important that we don’t sweep it under the rug but there is nothing that can be done about it now. We are supposed to learn from history and not repeat it. We are not supposed to cry about it for 500 years and live as resentful victims looking only for new reasons to be offended.
Would a judge in 1850 in Prince William county be amused by a slave who proclaimed that he was a free man and slavery is unjust. Yes, likely so. And by challenging slavery and not accepting unjust laws slavery fell. Would a judge in Mississippi in 1963 be amused by Rosa Parks answer that she does not have to follow an unjust immoral law and give her seat to a white man. Yes, likely. So what, he is not god and he did not have the final say on the issue. Should a slave running away from his plantation in 1830 say, no I am just going to stay and be a slave because its the law and there are real life consequences for seeking liberty and justice. Are you saying one should not fight for freedom and justice. I thought this was an American top value. If someone broke into your house right now and held you prisoner and raped your wife each day for months, do you try and end this injustice or say well he has a gun and there are consequences if I try and end this injustice.
So if I had taken your advice I and my family would still be slaves, perhaps on your plantation. So since there are unjust laws and people who continue abusing others are you suggesting that we accept just accept the abuse. I suggest that you read Martin Luther Kings letter from Birmingham Jail. The white people that he was writing to were using your exact same words.
You say we should adjust to current reality. The current reality is:
-We have 70,000 native Americans in Prince William county and 50,000,000 in the US and several over 500 million on Turtle Island.
-The laws and borders for Native Americans are immoral laws and borders.
-ALL immoral laws and borders eventually fall.
- White people are a minority on Turtle Island and need to adjust to this reality and learn to love Brown Turtle Island or leave it.
As far as crying about the history and being resentful where do you see any of this. What I am saying is that the deportations, new laws and actions being taken today are part of a 500 year genocidal process against Native Americans. It is happening NOW, not in the past and needs to end now in the present.
IndigenousNativeAmerican
Living in VA for over 10,000 years!!!!!!!!!!!
Comparing slavery to illegal immigration? As I understand it slave traders forcibly captured people and shipped them over here in unspeakable conditions that killed many. People were separated forever from their families and treated as possessions for generation after generation. While some were treated almost humanely, others were beaten. It was against the law to teach them to read and write (perhaps because education is a key to true freedom). Nobody became a slave of their own free will.
Illegal aliens consciously make the decision to take the risk to come here. Nobody goes to their country of origin and forcibly removes them from their family. Whatever ghastly conditions they suffer in their arrogant quest to come to America illegally is the result of their free will decision to trek through the desert, step into a boat that may not make it, hide in the back of a truck or hop a train that is in motion. Once they make it here, education for their children is not only legal, it is required and free!
I personally think that coming illegally is such a shameful experience that in order to deal with the shame they turn it around and place the blame on America. Keep talking the way you are talking IndigenousNativeAmerican and you will take those you wish to advocate for in the wrong direction. Help them to assimilate. Help them to be educated. Do not poison them with misinformation that will only worsen their chances.
Angry white woman said: The ethnic label Hispanic was the result of efforts by a New Mexican U.S. Senator, Joseph Montoya, who wanted a label that could be used to quantify the Spanish-speaking population for the US Census. The label Hispanic was chosen in part because in New Mexico, people of Spanish descent such as Montoya referred to themselves as hispanos which was anglicized as “Hispanic”.
INA Response: There are many black leaders today who desire keeping people who have one drop of black blood and 99% Indian blood, classified as black because it is in that politicians best interest. VA has hundred of thousands of these Natives. As we all know our leaders today do not necessarily do what is in our best interest nor what we desire. George Bush has us in a war that 70% of Americans disagree with. Most politicians do what is in their self-interest. So was Montoya doing what was in his political best interest? Yes, this way ALL of these native Americans are voting for him. Isn’t this simple logic. Why don’t you see it. Part of the genocide of our people is an identity genocide and paper genocide. This is well documented through out the Americas. Right here in VA there was state registrar Walter Pleckler who systemically changed birth certificates of people from Indian to Negro. His goal was to erase all Indians from the state of VA. HE FAILED!!!! Just look around you.
Last year one courthouse in VA changed the name of the book in a county court house, which has the names of Indian people from the 1800’s, from the book of “Free Persons of color” to “Free Negro Register”. So these Indians over night became black on paper. And the history of thousands of Native Americans was erased. WOW!!! When will the genocide stop!!!
There is nothing wrong with being Black but the point is white society, in conjunction with a few token “uncle Toms” has a 500 years history of changing Native American’s race to something else so that the land is free and clear for white people. How does one just create a race out of thin air in the 1970’s and for what reason. Using this logic the Indians north of the border should be HiEngish–since we speak English and are mixed with English. This was your founding fathers plan to breed us out of existence–but with the mixing of the races now and the birth rates of people of color I think this plan may backfire. And we may all soon be people of color. Just look around you in Prince William CO.
Look at the one-drop rule for example. If you have one drop of black blood you are black but 90% Indian blood makes one Hispanic — Whattttttt???? How does that work. Bottom line is that it does not matter what fake classifications the US Government has labeled Native Americans. We know that they are not looking out for our self interest. Genetically we are the people who were here before you came and therefore CANNOT be segregated in our own land. And we can prove it with DNA testing. I have a bet for you guys. Lets do a test to see who the real immigrants are and who isfrom this land? Lets take 500 white people and 500 brown people. Lets DNA test these 1000 people. If the DNA tests show that the white people are from here and the brown people are immigrants all of the brown people will leave immediately. If the DNA test shows that the brown people are indigenous and the white people are immigrants all of the white people leave. I will tell you one thing, it will not show that our people are Hispanic or Latino. Lets do it!!!!!!!
IndigenousNativeAmerican
Living in VA for over 10,000 years!!!!!!!!!!!
Dignidad: Comparing slavery to illegal immigration?
Most of the slaves of the Americas were Native American. The problems of what you call immigration stem directly from our people being forced into slavery and the genocide and destabilization of our social systems. Your people installed new rules and a new system that will NEVER work for our people. It is a horribly oppressive, mean, competitive, win/lose system, cold, non-caring, non-loving, anti-family system. The system produces pollution that is killing our planet, 50,000 deaths each day from starvation, millions of death each year from war. Everything is connected. Our actions have consequences. Analysis leaves us blind to the connections.
Dignidad: Nobody goes to their country of origin and forcibly removes them from their family.
INA: Today I watch the criminal Ollie North with his TV show making big bucks. Regan/North are remembered in good light but the fact is they funneled millions of dollars into central American, killed thousands of people with their actions, and created a war environment that is still forcing people out of their artificially created countries today. The violence, still their today from the Regan/North era, is FORCING people out of their homes at gun point!!!!! I can give many more examples such as how NATFA has forced people out of work because small mom and pops cannot compete with the mass production system as we see with Wal-Mart here in the US. So NAFTA created more new jobs in the US by taking this work from mom and popshops in Mexico. The problem with your thinking is that it is simple. Analysis is the primary thought form brought here from Europe. It is slow and does not see the connections between things which makes it dumb and blind. The form of thinking known as synthesis focuses on the connections between things. Thus things that are directly before you about to bite you like a snake you are blind to. Read the Fifth Discipline by Peter Senge and perhaps you’ll understand.
Dignidad: Help them to assimilate. Help them to be educated. Do not poison them with misinformation that will only worsen their chances.
INA: Friend, you could not be more wrong. Perhaps you should read what your buddy Newt Gingrich has written in the book Creating a New Civilization. The world, propelled by information technology, is currently in the process of creating a new civilization as we transition from the Industrial Age to the Information Age. Everything you know about living in this world is about to change including ALL of our social institutions. Have you read the leading business consultants in the world: Alvin Toffler, Tom Peters, Peter Drucker, Stephen Covey and dozens more. The Industrial Age is dying. The power brought to the individual by information technology is unstoppable. We are witnessing the end of authoritarian power in the world. The last thing a person should be doing today is learning the ways of the dying system. You had better be getting educated on the workings of the new social institutions. You’d better be learning how to get along with people without authority—which requires humility, collaboration, creativity, dialogue, listening, love and caring. Believe it or not at this point in time the indigenous people in question are better suited to survive in the next century than you are. I realize that this likely raises more issues than analysis allows you to process but please begin reading and learning. The books are all out there.
Even if you cannot understand all of that, Peak Oil alone, will change your civilization forever. In the coming years you wish for the days when immigration was your biggest concern. Your time is over and your system is dying!!!! Evolve with us and embrace the reality that is here today and lets live in peace and harmony and forget the segregation of the 1940’s. It is over, it is gone, it is DEAD!!!!!! Live in the present.
I told you guys I was not with the Mexica Movement. Have you ever heard them talk of Toffler, Gingrich, a new civilization, the Information Age. You cannot cubbywhole me so don’t try. We are VA Indians!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try instead to get educated yourselves and get into the information age so that we can live together in peace and harmony, bother!!!.
IndigenousNativeAmerican
Living in VA for over 10,000 years!!!!!!!!!!!
Why do all of you keep responding? The more you respond, the more the rant will go on. Just ignore and his 15 minutes of fame will go by the way side.
Medic you’re right.
One thing about our U.S. dominate culture, there is always logical and rational explanations for everything. This is the strength for this culture. It is an extroverted culture that ALWAYS has twenty detailed explanations for everything. In other words white people always have something to say and have the answer to everything. I have dish network satellite TV with hundreds of Channel. I can randomly select 50 channels and on 98% of these there will be a white person explaining the details of how things work. There are alway analytical reasons for everything. There is no doubt the white people are the leaders of our current world because you are the true masters of the thought form known as analysis. This is what our science is based upon, our schools, our universities, our businesses, our technology. Because of this white people are alway talking. They literally never shut up.
Why then have you stopped talking here?
Why do you desire discontinuing the debate?
Why are you not able to articulate your position in a logical fashion that makes sense to the unbiased observer?
I will tell you the likely reason. You have no VALID, logical, reasonable reasons for your actions and beliefs. Your position makes no logical sense. Your case is weak and flawed. Your actions are based upon your own selfishness, self-interest, greed and racial bias and have nothing to do with what is right, moral and ethical. You have been defeated on your our home court, using your own thought form of analysis and the defeat is so bad that you realize that the more you say the deeper in the S— you get.
People here sure had plenty to say before we challenged each one the faulty assumptions which they were basing their actions and comments.
If you have a logical, reasonable, legal case from a ethical and moral stand point, I challenge you to continue the dialogue. If you agree that you position comes from selfishness, self-interest, greed and racial bias then you should stop the dialogue, shut up and hope that it dies.
IndigenousNativeAmerican
Living in VA for over 10,000 years!!!!!!!!!!
No, actually INA, it’s because it’s insane to “debate” an insane person.
AW:
List one thing that I have stated that is not fact. All I have done is listed facts of history and talked about living in peace and harmony. I have listed many references for what I have said. On your side there has been a celebration of murder, rape, theft, racism and genocide and I have been called a lair, insane and a racist. Let the public reading this decide who is insane and the racist. The last time I checked the people who kill millions of people, then laugh, joke and deny it are the insane people.
The plain and simply fact is you are scared. As the county and world finds what you really think, you will lose and you know this. So you are afraid to let the world know what you really think.
Perhaps you learned your lesson when in the 1960’s when white people in the South (including Prince William VA) thought they could do anything they desired. They under estimated the power of the new information technology (television in that case) to expose their insanity. Martin Luther King allowed you to do your standard violent thing on him and our brown people, in front of TV cameras. Your people were so self-righteous in your arrogances that you did not realize that you were being setup. And when world and national public came down on the savage behavior of Southern white people, you got your butts kicked and lost that war. King used a martial art Bruce Lee kung fu move on your people to allow you to defeat yourselves with your own energy and hatred. All he did was to expose it to the world.
That is all I am doing here. I am using the internet, on your own website, on your turf to expose your thoughts and justification for everyone to see. And the reality is that you are afraid to say anything because you stick your foot in your mouth each time you open it, just like in your last post AW…
This is supposed to be the Bruce Lee kung fu website. Let’s see what you have got. Don’t be scared to expose your thoughts to the world. Whoever has the best case will win. Either step up and “bring it” or step down and submit and repent!!!!
IndigenousNativeAmerican
Living in VA for over 10,000 years!!!!!!!!!!
I was here, in PWC, in the 60’s…grew up in Virginia…and we never had a serious problem in the County. Schools were very smoothly integrated because each and every school district already had its share of black students…they merely turned the segregated high school, Jenny Dean, into a middle school and sent the kids to their respective schools in their neighborhood districts. Since everyone already had black neighbors, and often friends, there was absolutely no culture shock and, at least at my school (I was a sophomore at BDHS at the time), very welcomed. I must say, the black students were more upset about losing their high school than the whites were about having them in ours. Jennie Dean HS had the best band in the county; the best athletic teams, with the only lighted athletic fields in the county (at the time); and the highest percentage of teachers with Masters Degrees on staff. I suppose I might be upset as well, in their shoes.
You OBVIOUSLY know nothing about Prince William County!
I have been called a lair(sic), insane and a racist
And this surprises you at all? All this “white people are evil” garbage, claims that Native Americans lived in a perpetual state of peace and harmony (as if the Lakota were all about peace and harmony, ask a Hohokam, if you can find a survivor), and bizarre tirades that seek to hold present day Americans guilty for the apparent sins of long-gone ancestors?
Have you any clue of just how enraging this “peace and harmony” effort of yours really is? The only reason I haven’t cut your insanity off is that it does nothing but drive people into dedicated opposition of your agenda.
Keep posting. Please.
Oh yeah, and one other thing…they were ALL legal residents!
AW:
I think you have COMPLETELY missed the point. Why was there a need to integrate the schools? Because Prince William Co and VA supported segregation for decades and was forced by the federal government to end these immoral, unethical, racist laws. Was there slavery in Prince William county? Yes. Was Prince William forced, like the rest of Virginia and other slave states, to end slavery and to end the borders of segregation? Yes.
AW. Lets not play games. Virginia housed the capital of the confederacy. You were traders to your own country because you so badly desired maintaining people of color, both Native and African Americans as slaves, non-humans, illegal aliens. Lets not forget that we needed papers to be in VA. We were not citizens. So you are telling me that Prince William was fighting with the Unite