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	<title>Comments on: Mexicans Without Borders Defaces Manassas Again</title>
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		<title>By: CetanCikala</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-69179</link>
		<dc:creator>CetanCikala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-69179</guid>
		<description>Thanks INA.  That's the best...a real Native using euro education and reasoning against the foreign newcomers.  Hau kola, pilamaya...na wopi chi chi yelo.  (For you European foreigners, that means: "Hello friend, thank you...and many big thanks to you).  I am a descendant of the Saponi/Tutelo...the people who are from the virginia area...there is a rez there and the people are called the Haliwa Saponi...mixed with Saponis, Tutelos, Tuscaroras, and a few other Nations.  Before being rounded up and forced into Fort Christiana "for our protection," the lowest estimates of our population was at about 6,000 and within about 60 years or so, we were decimated to 2-300.

What INA is talking about, I believe, is the acknowledgment of that crime against humanity and how, although the living and breathing white people today may not be literally responsible for that, they have benefited from it...and continue to benefit from it.  Also, by lacking to acknowledge that, you indirectly (and sometimes directly) perpetuate those crimes against humanity.  Now, INA has explained it here already in a very clear and concise manner...but I wanted to add a little something.  If the issue is immigration, how can a people who never took the time to follow our laws and customs expect another "foreign" people to follow the laws...especially, as it was so well stated, if the laws are unjust?  How about making your own people accountable for what they do and have done?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks INA.  That&#8217;s the best&#8230;a real Native using euro education and reasoning against the foreign newcomers.  Hau kola, pilamaya&#8230;na wopi chi chi yelo.  (For you European foreigners, that means: &#8220;Hello friend, thank you&#8230;and many big thanks to you).  I am a descendant of the Saponi/Tutelo&#8230;the people who are from the virginia area&#8230;there is a rez there and the people are called the Haliwa Saponi&#8230;mixed with Saponis, Tutelos, Tuscaroras, and a few other Nations.  Before being rounded up and forced into Fort Christiana &#8220;for our protection,&#8221; the lowest estimates of our population was at about 6,000 and within about 60 years or so, we were decimated to 2-300.</p>
<p>What INA is talking about, I believe, is the acknowledgment of that crime against humanity and how, although the living and breathing white people today may not be literally responsible for that, they have benefited from it&#8230;and continue to benefit from it.  Also, by lacking to acknowledge that, you indirectly (and sometimes directly) perpetuate those crimes against humanity.  Now, INA has explained it here already in a very clear and concise manner&#8230;but I wanted to add a little something.  If the issue is immigration, how can a people who never took the time to follow our laws and customs expect another &#8220;foreign&#8221; people to follow the laws&#8230;especially, as it was so well stated, if the laws are unjust?  How about making your own people accountable for what they do and have done?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-69164</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-69164</guid>
		<description>It's called speaking truth to ignorance, in this case your's, it' also known as also known as freedom of speech. But don't worry it's not your fault you've been duped by your govt into falling for it's manifest destiny BS. Read some real US history and have a little compassion for your fellow humanity instead of displaying your sad little self in your dotty little "blog"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s called speaking truth to ignorance, in this case your&#8217;s, it&#8217; also known as also known as freedom of speech. But don&#8217;t worry it&#8217;s not your fault you&#8217;ve been duped by your govt into falling for it&#8217;s manifest destiny BS. Read some real US history and have a little compassion for your fellow humanity instead of displaying your sad little self in your dotty little &#8220;blog&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Richie_007_1968</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-63049</link>
		<dc:creator>Richie_007_1968</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS - As long as one wall stands, it is a renovation and rezoning is not required.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS - As long as one wall stands, it is a renovation and rezoning is not required.</p>
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		<title>By: Richie_007_1968</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-63048</link>
		<dc:creator>Richie_007_1968</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-63048</guid>
		<description>I am a Canadian living and working here in the USA, VA and Prince William County to be precise.  I am appalled that illegals presume to usurp authority based on evils of days gone by.  What is, is.  I’m here legally and have to put up with the abuse heaped upon me be ineffective border guards who despise me for having the correct paperwork.  They despise me because I am in front of them and represent the thousands of illegals they can’t touch.  I bear the brunt of the abuse because they can see me….I’m the face in front of them, not the 200 hanging out at 7-11 looking to steal my wallet, car or worse.  (Check out 7-11 on Little River Turnpike in Fairfax County at 7:30-8:00am Monday thru Friday)

My thoughts?  The USA being the most powerful nation on the earth…Is this because of the people?  Well, an influx of educated people (aka European) given a virgin and untouched land mass with virtually unlimited resources as the Americas; How can you miss?  Of course this is the most powerful nation on the planet!  Is everyone too stupid to see this or what?  America is not great because it is great, it is great because it has had the luxury of consuming or killing everything in it’s path.  (Canada included!)

Borders and laws are a necessary evil and have been created by those in power since the beginning of time.  Similarly, history is written by the victors (aka survivors), not the losers (aka dead guys).  Politics and intrigue are a theme that should worry all living on this continent regardless of origin.  We allow politicians manufactured by corporations to make decisions that affect us all and more importantly, we allow them to make these decisions with impunity and without accountability.  This mindless, headless, soulless beast called Corporate USA is no longer “By the people, for the people” but rather a self involved mass of corporations keeping us afraid and locked up.  Those not afraid are preoccupied with Nintendo, beer and football to notice what is really going on.  

Our culture be it Canadian or the Caucasian American is made up of individuals too afraid to say hello to their neighbor for fear of what?  We have been made aware of, and made afraid of almost everything on the planet.  We hole up in our homes afraid that someone is coming to get us.  These are fears of the guilty….fears of the unpunished.  Perhaps we should repent?  Perhaps we should come to terms with the fact that we are all just people?  People are people, it does not matter who gave birth to you or where you reside.  

Regardless of race, origin, color or creed, we all want health, happiness, and wellbeing for our families.   Perhaps we should foster a culture of health, harmony, and love thy neighbor?  Would a happy neighbor buy our guns?  Charity begins at home so perhaps we should look within and resolve our own evils before condemning another nation of theirs?  

So who do I have to kill to get a $1.00 gallon of gas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Canadian living and working here in the USA, VA and Prince William County to be precise.  I am appalled that illegals presume to usurp authority based on evils of days gone by.  What is, is.  I’m here legally and have to put up with the abuse heaped upon me be ineffective border guards who despise me for having the correct paperwork.  They despise me because I am in front of them and represent the thousands of illegals they can’t touch.  I bear the brunt of the abuse because they can see me….I’m the face in front of them, not the 200 hanging out at 7-11 looking to steal my wallet, car or worse.  (Check out 7-11 on Little River Turnpike in Fairfax County at 7:30-8:00am Monday thru Friday)</p>
<p>My thoughts?  The USA being the most powerful nation on the earth…Is this because of the people?  Well, an influx of educated people (aka European) given a virgin and untouched land mass with virtually unlimited resources as the Americas; How can you miss?  Of course this is the most powerful nation on the planet!  Is everyone too stupid to see this or what?  America is not great because it is great, it is great because it has had the luxury of consuming or killing everything in it’s path.  (Canada included!)</p>
<p>Borders and laws are a necessary evil and have been created by those in power since the beginning of time.  Similarly, history is written by the victors (aka survivors), not the losers (aka dead guys).  Politics and intrigue are a theme that should worry all living on this continent regardless of origin.  We allow politicians manufactured by corporations to make decisions that affect us all and more importantly, we allow them to make these decisions with impunity and without accountability.  This mindless, headless, soulless beast called Corporate USA is no longer “By the people, for the people” but rather a self involved mass of corporations keeping us afraid and locked up.  Those not afraid are preoccupied with Nintendo, beer and football to notice what is really going on.  </p>
<p>Our culture be it Canadian or the Caucasian American is made up of individuals too afraid to say hello to their neighbor for fear of what?  We have been made aware of, and made afraid of almost everything on the planet.  We hole up in our homes afraid that someone is coming to get us.  These are fears of the guilty….fears of the unpunished.  Perhaps we should repent?  Perhaps we should come to terms with the fact that we are all just people?  People are people, it does not matter who gave birth to you or where you reside.  </p>
<p>Regardless of race, origin, color or creed, we all want health, happiness, and wellbeing for our families.   Perhaps we should foster a culture of health, harmony, and love thy neighbor?  Would a happy neighbor buy our guns?  Charity begins at home so perhaps we should look within and resolve our own evils before condemning another nation of theirs?  </p>
<p>So who do I have to kill to get a $1.00 gallon of gas?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob S.</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-62081</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 03:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-62081</guid>
		<description>Angry White Woman - I was prepared tune you out entirely based upon this astoundingly ignorant usage: 
&#62;&#62; Angry White Woman said on 25 Mar 2008 at 7:47 pm:
- "I find it incredulous that this property has been condemned..." </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angry White Woman - I was prepared tune you out entirely based upon this astoundingly ignorant usage:<br />
&gt;&gt; Angry White Woman said on 25 Mar 2008 at 7:47 pm:<br />
- &#8220;I find it incredulous that this property has been condemned&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: IndigenousNativeAmerican</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-62031</link>
		<dc:creator>IndigenousNativeAmerican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 04:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-62031</guid>
		<description>Anon:

I heard of this book some years ago.  Someone recommended it but I have not read it yet.  Will definitely take a look.  Yes, I have read some about the Iroquois Confederacy, plus I have worked with some of the people from Six Nations and Canada on some projects.  Many of our people left VA and joined the Six Nations in the 1700's.  Things were really bad here going from 2,000,000 people to 600 people in less than 200 years, thus many had to leave.  

Thanks

INA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon:</p>
<p>I heard of this book some years ago.  Someone recommended it but I have not read it yet.  Will definitely take a look.  Yes, I have read some about the Iroquois Confederacy, plus I have worked with some of the people from Six Nations and Canada on some projects.  Many of our people left VA and joined the Six Nations in the 1700&#8217;s.  Things were really bad here going from 2,000,000 people to 600 people in less than 200 years, thus many had to leave.  </p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>INA</p>
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		<title>By: anon in dale city</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-62013</link>
		<dc:creator>anon in dale city</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-62013</guid>
		<description>INA  I think you would be very interested in a book called
Guns, Germs and Steel.   Also, do you know of the Iroquois Confederacy.  
It's an interesting story about how peace was brought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>INA  I think you would be very interested in a book called<br />
Guns, Germs and Steel.   Also, do you know of the Iroquois Confederacy.<br />
It&#8217;s an interesting story about how peace was brought.</p>
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		<title>By: IndigenousNativeAmerican</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-61949</link>
		<dc:creator>IndigenousNativeAmerican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-61949</guid>
		<description>#  monticup said on 17 Apr 2008 at 11:17 pm:  Indig: You are not American Indians. You are Mesoamericans–Aztecs and Mayan. You’re trying to glom onto the American Indians/Native Americans because you see that as an easier avenue for the freebies you want.

Only fools make accusation about things which he has no personal knowledge.  Do you know me personally.  Do you know that I am from VA and my people have been here for at least 10,000 years.  

In regards to people from below the fake border not being Native American I have completely explained this above.  

Please read and let go of fear and ignorance.

Indigenous Native American</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#  monticup said on 17 Apr 2008 at 11:17 pm:  Indig: You are not American Indians. You are Mesoamericans–Aztecs and Mayan. You’re trying to glom onto the American Indians/Native Americans because you see that as an easier avenue for the freebies you want.</p>
<p>Only fools make accusation about things which he has no personal knowledge.  Do you know me personally.  Do you know that I am from VA and my people have been here for at least 10,000 years.  </p>
<p>In regards to people from below the fake border not being Native American I have completely explained this above.  </p>
<p>Please read and let go of fear and ignorance.</p>
<p>Indigenous Native American</p>
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		<title>By: IndigenousNativeAmerican</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-61944</link>
		<dc:creator>IndigenousNativeAmerican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-61944</guid>
		<description>Anon:

I agree with you to an extent.  I definitely did not refer to Native Americans as a single person.  Could you quote my exact words, date and time when I did this?  Our English language and analytical thought form of analysis and social norms has us break things into categories.  I am refering to Native Americans as a single race such as Black, White, Asian. I would think this is self evident based upon what I have been saying.  I realize that the Euro definition does not refer to Indians as a separate race but that is there bias based upon their science.  Race is a man made construct and thus can be divided as one wishes.  The key is does it make sense.  It makes sense for Native Americans to see themselves as a separate race because we, as a general rule, don't buying to Bering Strait theory.  Our history , spirituality, science says we have always been here.  We did not immigrate from anywhere.

In addition, there are cultural norms that are consistent to Native Americans through out Turtle Island (N and S America) prior to contact.  When I speak of Native culture I am speaking of these norms--these norms are as I have stated several times above: spirituality integrated into all of life, peace, abundance, collaboration, love.  For the most part these are tribal or indigenous norms.  If we go back far enough we will find all people on the planet living based upon these tribal cultural norms.  However, Europe was forced out of these norms 5000 or 6000 years ago by authoritarian rule.

Europe also had general cultural norms for at least 1,000 years before coming here.  This was during the European Dark Ages or what I refer to as the Death of Authority Age.  These cultural norms were win/lose, theft, death, destruction, rape, plunder, murdered, forced relocations, genocide.  I am sure some communities tucked away somewhere may have avoided getting caught up in the mess, but the norm of Europe was as stated above.  And for 1,000's years before this Rome was forcing "corrupted" tribes out of tribalism into authoritarianism.  The norm through out Europe was authority.  Systems of authority carry a set of cultural norms which are a complete and whole system.  This is also true of systems of "uncorrupted tribalism".  They also carry a set of cultural norms which are a complete and whole system.  To learn more about systems thinking vs analysis please read the Fifth Discipline by Peter Senge.  Also professor Russel Ackoff gives an excellent explanation of this.  

The Euro dark ages was the end result of a civilization based upon authority and analysis.  These civilizations can only end up in one way--complete destruction.  And this is where we are today.

We are definitely in agreement on the issue of over simplification.  This is what analytical thinking has done to us which was brought here by Euro and has been made the normal thinking of the world. With analysis we don't see patterns or the connections between things and thus we do not see reality.  We must shift our thinking away from the fragmented thinking of analysis and towards more holistic and complete thinking--synthesis, systems thinking and knowing from the heart.

Anon, Thank you for at least making reasonable points as opposed to most people here who seem to be just throwing out knee-jerk fear based reactions based upon their own self interest and greed.

Indigenous Native American
We Must ALL Return to the Indigenous Way</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon:</p>
<p>I agree with you to an extent.  I definitely did not refer to Native Americans as a single person.  Could you quote my exact words, date and time when I did this?  Our English language and analytical thought form of analysis and social norms has us break things into categories.  I am refering to Native Americans as a single race such as Black, White, Asian. I would think this is self evident based upon what I have been saying.  I realize that the Euro definition does not refer to Indians as a separate race but that is there bias based upon their science.  Race is a man made construct and thus can be divided as one wishes.  The key is does it make sense.  It makes sense for Native Americans to see themselves as a separate race because we, as a general rule, don&#8217;t buying to Bering Strait theory.  Our history , spirituality, science says we have always been here.  We did not immigrate from anywhere.</p>
<p>In addition, there are cultural norms that are consistent to Native Americans through out Turtle Island (N and S America) prior to contact.  When I speak of Native culture I am speaking of these norms&#8211;these norms are as I have stated several times above: spirituality integrated into all of life, peace, abundance, collaboration, love.  For the most part these are tribal or indigenous norms.  If we go back far enough we will find all people on the planet living based upon these tribal cultural norms.  However, Europe was forced out of these norms 5000 or 6000 years ago by authoritarian rule.</p>
<p>Europe also had general cultural norms for at least 1,000 years before coming here.  This was during the European Dark Ages or what I refer to as the Death of Authority Age.  These cultural norms were win/lose, theft, death, destruction, rape, plunder, murdered, forced relocations, genocide.  I am sure some communities tucked away somewhere may have avoided getting caught up in the mess, but the norm of Europe was as stated above.  And for 1,000&#8217;s years before this Rome was forcing &#8220;corrupted&#8221; tribes out of tribalism into authoritarianism.  The norm through out Europe was authority.  Systems of authority carry a set of cultural norms which are a complete and whole system.  This is also true of systems of &#8220;uncorrupted tribalism&#8221;.  They also carry a set of cultural norms which are a complete and whole system.  To learn more about systems thinking vs analysis please read the Fifth Discipline by Peter Senge.  Also professor Russel Ackoff gives an excellent explanation of this.  </p>
<p>The Euro dark ages was the end result of a civilization based upon authority and analysis.  These civilizations can only end up in one way&#8211;complete destruction.  And this is where we are today.</p>
<p>We are definitely in agreement on the issue of over simplification.  This is what analytical thinking has done to us which was brought here by Euro and has been made the normal thinking of the world. With analysis we don&#8217;t see patterns or the connections between things and thus we do not see reality.  We must shift our thinking away from the fragmented thinking of analysis and towards more holistic and complete thinking&#8211;synthesis, systems thinking and knowing from the heart.</p>
<p>Anon, Thank you for at least making reasonable points as opposed to most people here who seem to be just throwing out knee-jerk fear based reactions based upon their own self interest and greed.</p>
<p>Indigenous Native American<br />
We Must ALL Return to the Indigenous Way</p>
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		<title>By: anon in dale city</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-61933</link>
		<dc:creator>anon in dale city</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn't quoting you.  I was communicating what I perceived you to be saying.  I'll be more explicit.  You refer to Native Americans as a single people.  I think that this is an over simplification.  There are many varied cultures from the arctic circle to tierra del fuego.  Just as there are also many varied European cultures from Italy to Norway.  Simplification is what the human mind does.  It sees patterns.  Other wise we would be overwhelmed.  It is however important to know that this necessary  function is present and it distorts reality to some extent, sometimes a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t quoting you.  I was communicating what I perceived you to be saying.  I&#8217;ll be more explicit.  You refer to Native Americans as a single people.  I think that this is an over simplification.  There are many varied cultures from the arctic circle to tierra del fuego.  Just as there are also many varied European cultures from Italy to Norway.  Simplification is what the human mind does.  It sees patterns.  Other wise we would be overwhelmed.  It is however important to know that this necessary  function is present and it distorts reality to some extent, sometimes a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: IndigenousNativeAmerican</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-61923</link>
		<dc:creator>IndigenousNativeAmerican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 04:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon said:  So Native Americans are one culture and they are good in many ways. Europeans are one culture and they are bad in many ways.

INA Reply:  I never said this.  If you are going to quote me please quote my exact words.  I am very careful in the exact words that I am using for very specific reasons.  One word can change the entire message of a sentence. 

What about Africans and Asians? Are these also single cultures? Are they good or bad?  

INA Reply:  Good and bad are relative terms.  It all depends upon the out come one desires.  If one desires living in peace, love, cooperation. family and abundance then having systems of authoritarian rule, government, analysis will not deliver this.  For this one needs a system of liberty and synthesis. If one desires rape, abuse, murder, violence, competition, scarcity, control then systems of authoritarian rule, government, democracy, socialism, communism, capitalism, dictatorship, analysis will deliver this.

Also please don't try and over simplify what I am saying.  The universe works via systems which are all interconnected together forming complete wholes.  Our analytical based modern world has a hard time with systems and tries to break things into generalized or small cubbyholes.  This is the great strength and the failure of analysis.

Indigenous Native American
Knowledge is Power</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon said:  So Native Americans are one culture and they are good in many ways. Europeans are one culture and they are bad in many ways.</p>
<p>INA Reply:  I never said this.  If you are going to quote me please quote my exact words.  I am very careful in the exact words that I am using for very specific reasons.  One word can change the entire message of a sentence. </p>
<p>What about Africans and Asians? Are these also single cultures? Are they good or bad?  </p>
<p>INA Reply:  Good and bad are relative terms.  It all depends upon the out come one desires.  If one desires living in peace, love, cooperation. family and abundance then having systems of authoritarian rule, government, analysis will not deliver this.  For this one needs a system of liberty and synthesis. If one desires rape, abuse, murder, violence, competition, scarcity, control then systems of authoritarian rule, government, democracy, socialism, communism, capitalism, dictatorship, analysis will deliver this.</p>
<p>Also please don&#8217;t try and over simplify what I am saying.  The universe works via systems which are all interconnected together forming complete wholes.  Our analytical based modern world has a hard time with systems and tries to break things into generalized or small cubbyholes.  This is the great strength and the failure of analysis.</p>
<p>Indigenous Native American<br />
Knowledge is Power</p>
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		<title>By: anon in dale city</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon in dale city</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Native Americans are one culture and they are good in many ways.  Europeans are one culture and they are bad in many ways.  What about Africans and Asians?  Are these also single cultures?  Are they good or bad?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Native Americans are one culture and they are good in many ways.  Europeans are one culture and they are bad in many ways.  What about Africans and Asians?  Are these also single cultures?  Are they good or bad?</p>
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		<title>By: IndigenousNativeAmerican</title>
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		<dc:creator>IndigenousNativeAmerican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1749-1832

"I freed a thousand slaves, I could have freed a thousand more
if only they knew they were slaves." - Harriet Tubman

The Truth Will Set you Free
Indigenous Native American</description>
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<p>&#8220;I freed a thousand slaves, I could have freed a thousand more<br />
if only they knew they were slaves.&#8221; - Harriet Tubman</p>
<p>The Truth Will Set you Free<br />
Indigenous Native American</p>
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		<title>By: IndigenousNativeAmerican</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-61905</link>
		<dc:creator>IndigenousNativeAmerican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#  the shootist said on 17 Apr 2008 at 9:55 am: My point is: this is my country too, and I get as much say as anyone, including you, about what “customs and values” means. 

INA Reply:  I don't know if you are talking to me but all I am talking of is history and how we can learn to live together.  Please do not come from fear because it will make you see threats that are not there.  The European Dark ages are over.  Heal the fear and lets learn to love and be together.  The values that I have spoken of are not of the U.S.  I have spoken of universal principles of peace, love, cooperation, respect for Mother Earth.  The values demonstrated by your people for 500 years are greed, selfishness, death, war, theft.  We must learn to look at history and stop the wishful thinking of what we would like for history to be.

Shootist said:  So. Since my notion of “customs and values” is just as valid as yours, I’m going to make a suggestion to you that holds just as much weight as your suggestion to “the chickens”: please leave. For your crime of violating my idea of American customs and values, I would like you to please leave this country. 

INA Reply:  You have not list what your customs and values are.  History shows what they are and they likely do not match the mental model in your head.  The values of this land are universal and unchangeable:  Peace, love, respect for mother earth and all of her inhabitants.  Your people's track record does not reflect these values and thus you are the ones that will be leaving unless you change.  This has all been foretold in the prophecies long before you came.  It is your choice.    

Shootist said:  May I suggest China? They’re pretty patriotic over there. Lots of flags and military parades. You’d probably love it.

INA Reply:  China is just another country with an authoritarian system of social order.  The U.S., the old Soviet Union, England are all systems based upon authoritarian control thus dictatorship. We just get to elect our dictators. You will not see me doing some patriotic flag waving for any authoritarian system.  They all are designed to control and oppress people and kill mother earth..

Shootist said:  Now, I understand that moving to China is easier said than done. They speak a lot of English over there, but you might want to learn how to ask for the restroom, at least, in Cantonese. Then you’ll have to sell your house, and in this market, that’s going to be tough. But, you know, freedom isn’t free.

What freedoms do you have in the US.  Please list them.  I already addressed this ignorance above.  Everyday you wake up to just what a poor system of social order you live under where you only have the freedom to elect your dictator.  How many people are discontent with democracy and government in the US.  The vast majority.  The problem today is that there is nothing to compare it to.  The peaceful tribal systems of social order have all be violent crushed with systems of control and government world wide.  One is no better than the other.  If you want to understand real freedom you will have to study tribalism uncorrupted by authoritarian control.  


# Che' said on 17 Apr 2008 at 10:20 am:  I’m of American Indian descent, and can tell you I have no cultural or familial ties with the inhabitants of Mexico or Central America. Mexican Indians have as much claim to America as I do to El Salvador.  # just news said on 17 Apr 2008 at 10:59 am:  Che’ I am glad someone has the courage to point out what anyone with a minimum of historical knowledge should know, and that is: No central american or Mexican has any claim stake or even shared traditions with North American Indians.

INA Reply:  Where in the world do you people make up these rules and ideas.  If you look at a pre-invasion map you will clearly see that we are all the same people.  You cannot just come onto someone else's land and morally draw lines and borders where you please and declare these people separate from those people.  That is like me coming into your house telling you that you and you sister are not relatives.  This is the height of arrogance's.  Are you aware that the border actually divided and divides families and tribes.  How can you say we are not the same people.  Speaking from ignorance and self-interest is the way of your people for 500 years.  It is all about what is in your best interest.

just news:  I would like for the Native American Indian who is not, to stop the horse manure he keeps laying on this blog. We at least know the history you are trying to distort.

INA Reply:  Any fool can make a general statement.  Please back it up with details.  Please point out anything that I have said which is not true and lets see if you can back up what you say.  

just news:  Return to your country then petition Espana for citizenship and keep the communist propaganda to yourself. 

INA Reply:  I am in my land as our people have been for over 10,000 years.  We were here in the land you call VA living in peace when your people were starving like rats and killing each other in Europe.

Indigenous Native American</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#  the shootist said on 17 Apr 2008 at 9:55 am: My point is: this is my country too, and I get as much say as anyone, including you, about what “customs and values” means. </p>
<p>INA Reply:  I don&#8217;t know if you are talking to me but all I am talking of is history and how we can learn to live together.  Please do not come from fear because it will make you see threats that are not there.  The European Dark ages are over.  Heal the fear and lets learn to love and be together.  The values that I have spoken of are not of the U.S.  I have spoken of universal principles of peace, love, cooperation, respect for Mother Earth.  The values demonstrated by your people for 500 years are greed, selfishness, death, war, theft.  We must learn to look at history and stop the wishful thinking of what we would like for history to be.</p>
<p>Shootist said:  So. Since my notion of “customs and values” is just as valid as yours, I’m going to make a suggestion to you that holds just as much weight as your suggestion to “the chickens”: please leave. For your crime of violating my idea of American customs and values, I would like you to please leave this country. </p>
<p>INA Reply:  You have not list what your customs and values are.  History shows what they are and they likely do not match the mental model in your head.  The values of this land are universal and unchangeable:  Peace, love, respect for mother earth and all of her inhabitants.  Your people&#8217;s track record does not reflect these values and thus you are the ones that will be leaving unless you change.  This has all been foretold in the prophecies long before you came.  It is your choice.    </p>
<p>Shootist said:  May I suggest China? They’re pretty patriotic over there. Lots of flags and military parades. You’d probably love it.</p>
<p>INA Reply:  China is just another country with an authoritarian system of social order.  The U.S., the old Soviet Union, England are all systems based upon authoritarian control thus dictatorship. We just get to elect our dictators. You will not see me doing some patriotic flag waving for any authoritarian system.  They all are designed to control and oppress people and kill mother earth..</p>
<p>Shootist said:  Now, I understand that moving to China is easier said than done. They speak a lot of English over there, but you might want to learn how to ask for the restroom, at least, in Cantonese. Then you’ll have to sell your house, and in this market, that’s going to be tough. But, you know, freedom isn’t free.</p>
<p>What freedoms do you have in the US.  Please list them.  I already addressed this ignorance above.  Everyday you wake up to just what a poor system of social order you live under where you only have the freedom to elect your dictator.  How many people are discontent with democracy and government in the US.  The vast majority.  The problem today is that there is nothing to compare it to.  The peaceful tribal systems of social order have all be violent crushed with systems of control and government world wide.  One is no better than the other.  If you want to understand real freedom you will have to study tribalism uncorrupted by authoritarian control.  </p>
<p># Che&#8217; said on 17 Apr 2008 at 10:20 am:  I’m of American Indian descent, and can tell you I have no cultural or familial ties with the inhabitants of Mexico or Central America. Mexican Indians have as much claim to America as I do to El Salvador.  # just news said on 17 Apr 2008 at 10:59 am:  Che’ I am glad someone has the courage to point out what anyone with a minimum of historical knowledge should know, and that is: No central american or Mexican has any claim stake or even shared traditions with North American Indians.</p>
<p>INA Reply:  Where in the world do you people make up these rules and ideas.  If you look at a pre-invasion map you will clearly see that we are all the same people.  You cannot just come onto someone else&#8217;s land and morally draw lines and borders where you please and declare these people separate from those people.  That is like me coming into your house telling you that you and you sister are not relatives.  This is the height of arrogance&#8217;s.  Are you aware that the border actually divided and divides families and tribes.  How can you say we are not the same people.  Speaking from ignorance and self-interest is the way of your people for 500 years.  It is all about what is in your best interest.</p>
<p>just news:  I would like for the Native American Indian who is not, to stop the horse manure he keeps laying on this blog. We at least know the history you are trying to distort.</p>
<p>INA Reply:  Any fool can make a general statement.  Please back it up with details.  Please point out anything that I have said which is not true and lets see if you can back up what you say.  </p>
<p>just news:  Return to your country then petition Espana for citizenship and keep the communist propaganda to yourself. </p>
<p>INA Reply:  I am in my land as our people have been for over 10,000 years.  We were here in the land you call VA living in peace when your people were starving like rats and killing each other in Europe.</p>
<p>Indigenous Native American</p>
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		<title>By: Indigenous Native Americans</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-61861</link>
		<dc:creator>Indigenous Native Americans</dc:creator>
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		<description>•  Anonymous said on 17 Apr 2008 at 2:42 am: IndigenousNativeAmerican: Your people practiced genocide long before Europeans reclaimed this continent. The Aztecs at the height of their civilization sacrificed 30,000 people a year and warring groups showed no mercy to each other. Natives killed each other in far greater numbers than Europeans ever did.

INA said:  This is simply more propaganda to justify the violence done by your people.  I have already explained above how this is a lie. I don’t see where you have commented on any of the details I have provided.  Have you read the references I have provided or are you still speaking from self-interest, greed and ignorance?

•  BattleCat said on 17 Apr 2008 at 6:10 am: And in the department of redundancy department, we have IndigenousNativeAmerican!!!

INA Said: People learn through repetition.  Slower people learn with lots of repetition.  Draw your own conclusions.

•  Fuzzy said on 17 Apr 2008 at 7:10 am: IndigenousNativeAmerican: If you don’t like the way you’re treated, you are in no way a captive here, and you’re always free to leave.

INA said: You are the immigrant.  If anyone will be leaving it will be you.
Fuzzy said: Also, I’ll concede all your points.
INA said: Thanks I appreciate this.  At least there is one person of reason here.
Fuzzy said: Ahhh, and before I forget, let me give you some advice on your propaganda campaign. When you are pandering to those who already believe in your cause, “native americans”, all that rhetoric about history is an effective tool. When you’re trying to influence those who aren’t friendly to your cause, accusing us of genocide, comparing us to 1940’s Germany, etc… is not an effective tool. 
INA: That is the difference between white or authoritarian culture and free indigenous culture.  Everything with your people is about marketing, tricking, conning, convincing.  Our culture is about truth, freedom, openness, no-hidden agenda.  I am just laying out facts of history.  This is our way.  Don’t be so prejudice as to think that everyone should think like white people.  It is up to you to judge this knowledge and your karma will handle the situation based upon your reaction.  For example if you did not know that the people you call illegal immigrants were in fact Native Americans and the current deportations were part of a 500 year holocaust, before I began writing and your anti-immigrant position did not change once you learned this new info, your karma will take care of this.  It is none of my business.  It is between you and your karma.
Fuzzy said: At least then we’ll have a productive dialog before we kick you all out.
INA said:  So you are proud of your 500 years actions of forced relocations, deportations, and genocide.  This just shows the world the type of violent people support your cause.  By the way you will never kick me out.  Our people have been in what you VA for over 10,000 years and are not going anywhere. 
•  Anonymous said on 17 Apr 2008 at 8:08 am: They already call us racists, and say we are the true illegals, so what else could they possibly call us? Vandals, oohhhhhhhh. 

Violence has been your way for so long that you don’t realize that it is relatively new to many brown tribal people around the world. Do you realize that the word “vandalize” comes from the people of Europe named the Vandals.  During your dark ages they were raped and beaten so badly that they became like the people who did this to them and became the barbarians of Europe and kicked everyone else’s butts.  They were so bad that the word vandalism was coined for their actions.  You guys should learn your own history and should not need a Native American to teach you European history.  So yes Mr. ignorant anonymous you are the original vandals who started vandalism 

•  Anonymous said on 17 Apr 2008 at 8:08 am: I say good that someone finally had the ba!!s to show them we won’t have our families insulted, and then just stand there and take it. I know the law actually prevents you from taking action in that case, but sometimes a “Mans gotta do what a mans gotta do”.

INA said:  Your people insult your own families by going around the world killing innocent brown people for 500 years for your own self-confront, greed and selfishness.  Why is in not an insult or crime to do these violent acts but to openly speak of what you have done is insulting.  Is this sick or what?  When will you stop the murder?  We are obligated to shine the spot light on your behavior until it stops.  

INA said:  Violence has been your way for 500 years.  Why would you change now.  This is what you learned in Europe for 5000 years before you came here.  It is as predictable as sunshine.  The European holocaust left you coming from a fear paradigm which leads you to try to control, dictate, dominate everything. And your view is if violence is required then so be it, “a “Mans gotta do what a mans gotta do”.  There can be no freedom of speech around your people until you heal your fear and learn to love.  

I had an old conservative white man approach me last year.  I’d never met him before.  He whispered in my ear, “you know I think Indians were better people that white people.”  I said no and explained the history and how white people have simply gotten off of the path after 1000 years of dark ages and 5000 years of authoritarian rule.  And now are socialized deeply in the fear and control paradigm which produces selfishness, greed, violence.  All that is needed is the healing of your heart.  I routinely defend your actions.  The issue is not one of race but one of followers of authoritarian control –vs- liberty.  We live in an authoritarian system of control.  You are controlled, we are controlled, everyone is controlled.

•  Freedom said on 17 Apr 2008 at 8:25 am: Oh Fuzzy, Indigenouswhatever doesn’t want any of the positives that you’ve proposed; he/she just wants to stir the pot, doesn’t even believe what he/she’s saying.

INA said:  I am here to educate and liberate.  The truth and only the truth will set you free.  You are slaves of your authoritarian world view.  Yes the truth will upset many people’s worldview of white Americans being peaceful people who only use control, force and use violence in self-defense.  It is simply a lie.  It is the same lie that the Nazis would have told for hundreds of years if they’d won WWII.  Just look.  The U.S. just killed one million brown people in Iraq for oil.  But you do not see that you are the aggressors.  You did the same to brown tribal people in Vietnam and El Salvador.  And the list is a mile long over the past 500 years.  This behavior comes from your socialization in Europe for 6000 years under authoritarian control and now you have us all living under authoritarian control.  

•  Patty said on 17 Apr 2008 at 8:48 am: There are no such thing as indigenous americans. First americans would be the accurate description. 

INA Said:  Yes you are correct.  The term America is from an Italian fellow.  However, if we called ourselves by our real names you would not know what we were talking about.

Patty said:  Also, Cortez and his conquistadors went into Mexico and its environs.  

INA said; What???  Mexico is also America and Cortez is also European.
Patty said: INA, why don’t you make your complaints to Spain. The Mexicans have roots with Spain.
INA said:  Mexicans are Native Americans and have their roots in America.  As I have said this is not about the past or complaining.  This is about understanding your actions today and how they are part of the 500 year holocaust.
long time said on 17 Apr 2008 at 9:27 am: IndigenousNativeAmerican it is your form of self serving lies and mistruths that infuriate people on both sides of this complex issue. 

INA said:  Lets not generalize.  Please point out details in what I have said that was not true.  Any fool can make a general statement but it takes and intelligent person to get into the details and go the distance and provide supporting references to support what they say.  I am not saying that you are a fool but your actions speak for themselves.

Long time said:  There is no doubt we as a nation had our growing pains. We are still an adolescent nation in the grand world order, and yet as a nation we have done things no other nation has ever done trying to protect true native americans. 

INA said:  Please list the details of all that your people have done to and for Native Americans.  I think you are ignorant of your own history.  I will put this in terms you can understand—money.  Once you put this complete list together what you will find is for every penny worth of value given one million dollars worlt of value was taken.  Since you made the point please back it up with details or you risk looking like a fool.

Second point, western culture is not in its adolescences.  The U.S. and the authoritarian global system it leads in the maturation of 6000 years of authoritarian rule, conquest and control over the indigenous way all started in Europe.  As the prophecies have stated for thousands of years and science today shows us and most people now realize, this system cannot possibly continue.  Peak oil, global warming, the powershift created by the internet all point to the end of the horrible and abusive system.  Your time is over, your abuse will continue no longer, your cycle has ended, the violence must stop and the meek shall now inherit the earth.  It is time for peace and love and the truth will set you free and heal your heart.
 
Long time said:  I’m with others and invite you and your fellow chickens to leave if you don’t like it here. If you want to stay then follow our American (United States of America) laws, customs and values. 

INA said:  I am on my continent.  If anyone will be leaving it will be people who thrive on violence, murder, control and disrespect for mother earth.  The true laws of Turtle Island has always been peace, love, harmony, respect for mother earth.  The people who live by these principles will be staying and the one’s who don’t will be leaving.  You have a choice.  Live by these natural laws or leave.  
Long time said:  Freedom is a precious thing!
INA said:  We Native American taught you all that you know about freedom.  Read the books Lila and Indian Givers to understand this.  The U.S. is not a system based upon freedom.  It is a system of authoritarian control.  We are merely free to elect who will be the dictators who will rule over us between two choices.  Government and control of people has never worked and never will.  To understand true freedom you must understand Native culture.
•  Che' said on 17 Apr 2008 at 10:20 am:  I’m of American Indian descent, and can tell you I have no cultural or familial ties with the inhabitants of Mexico or Central America. Mexican Indians have as much claim to America as I do to El Salvador.
Hello Che:

INA said:  Do you know how many white people have come up to me and said, "hey my grandmother was a Cherokee Indian princess.”  If you were truly Native American and knew your culture you would not be so ignorant to make the statement above.  We had no borders and there was free flow of people all over the Turtle Island.  The notion of freedom was introduced to the Europeans by Native Americans. Your people had forgotten what it was since you'd been under authoritarian rule for so long.

You people need to stop coming from fear.  Fear leads you to jump to conclusions.  Who said anything about claiming the United States.  Second, do you see the contradiction and racism in your words.  They are from American.  Your people named the entire continent America and not just the US.  They are all American and have a right to claim America.  You evidently think that only the U.S. is America—ignorance and arrogance a deadly combination.

The Truth Shall Set you Free

Indigenous Native American
The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>•  Anonymous said on 17 Apr 2008 at 2:42 am: IndigenousNativeAmerican: Your people practiced genocide long before Europeans reclaimed this continent. The Aztecs at the height of their civilization sacrificed 30,000 people a year and warring groups showed no mercy to each other. Natives killed each other in far greater numbers than Europeans ever did.</p>
<p>INA said:  This is simply more propaganda to justify the violence done by your people.  I have already explained above how this is a lie. I don’t see where you have commented on any of the details I have provided.  Have you read the references I have provided or are you still speaking from self-interest, greed and ignorance?</p>
<p>•  BattleCat said on 17 Apr 2008 at 6:10 am: And in the department of redundancy department, we have IndigenousNativeAmerican!!!</p>
<p>INA Said: People learn through repetition.  Slower people learn with lots of repetition.  Draw your own conclusions.</p>
<p>•  Fuzzy said on 17 Apr 2008 at 7:10 am: IndigenousNativeAmerican: If you don’t like the way you’re treated, you are in no way a captive here, and you’re always free to leave.</p>
<p>INA said: You are the immigrant.  If anyone will be leaving it will be you.<br />
Fuzzy said: Also, I’ll concede all your points.<br />
INA said: Thanks I appreciate this.  At least there is one person of reason here.<br />
Fuzzy said: Ahhh, and before I forget, let me give you some advice on your propaganda campaign. When you are pandering to those who already believe in your cause, “native americans”, all that rhetoric about history is an effective tool. When you’re trying to influence those who aren’t friendly to your cause, accusing us of genocide, comparing us to 1940’s Germany, etc… is not an effective tool.<br />
INA: That is the difference between white or authoritarian culture and free indigenous culture.  Everything with your people is about marketing, tricking, conning, convincing.  Our culture is about truth, freedom, openness, no-hidden agenda.  I am just laying out facts of history.  This is our way.  Don’t be so prejudice as to think that everyone should think like white people.  It is up to you to judge this knowledge and your karma will handle the situation based upon your reaction.  For example if you did not know that the people you call illegal immigrants were in fact Native Americans and the current deportations were part of a 500 year holocaust, before I began writing and your anti-immigrant position did not change once you learned this new info, your karma will take care of this.  It is none of my business.  It is between you and your karma.<br />
Fuzzy said: At least then we’ll have a productive dialog before we kick you all out.<br />
INA said:  So you are proud of your 500 years actions of forced relocations, deportations, and genocide.  This just shows the world the type of violent people support your cause.  By the way you will never kick me out.  Our people have been in what you VA for over 10,000 years and are not going anywhere.<br />
•  Anonymous said on 17 Apr 2008 at 8:08 am: They already call us racists, and say we are the true illegals, so what else could they possibly call us? Vandals, oohhhhhhhh. </p>
<p>Violence has been your way for so long that you don’t realize that it is relatively new to many brown tribal people around the world. Do you realize that the word “vandalize” comes from the people of Europe named the Vandals.  During your dark ages they were raped and beaten so badly that they became like the people who did this to them and became the barbarians of Europe and kicked everyone else’s butts.  They were so bad that the word vandalism was coined for their actions.  You guys should learn your own history and should not need a Native American to teach you European history.  So yes Mr. ignorant anonymous you are the original vandals who started vandalism </p>
<p>•  Anonymous said on 17 Apr 2008 at 8:08 am: I say good that someone finally had the ba!!s to show them we won’t have our families insulted, and then just stand there and take it. I know the law actually prevents you from taking action in that case, but sometimes a “Mans gotta do what a mans gotta do”.</p>
<p>INA said:  Your people insult your own families by going around the world killing innocent brown people for 500 years for your own self-confront, greed and selfishness.  Why is in not an insult or crime to do these violent acts but to openly speak of what you have done is insulting.  Is this sick or what?  When will you stop the murder?  We are obligated to shine the spot light on your behavior until it stops.  </p>
<p>INA said:  Violence has been your way for 500 years.  Why would you change now.  This is what you learned in Europe for 5000 years before you came here.  It is as predictable as sunshine.  The European holocaust left you coming from a fear paradigm which leads you to try to control, dictate, dominate everything. And your view is if violence is required then so be it, “a “Mans gotta do what a mans gotta do”.  There can be no freedom of speech around your people until you heal your fear and learn to love.  </p>
<p>I had an old conservative white man approach me last year.  I’d never met him before.  He whispered in my ear, “you know I think Indians were better people that white people.”  I said no and explained the history and how white people have simply gotten off of the path after 1000 years of dark ages and 5000 years of authoritarian rule.  And now are socialized deeply in the fear and control paradigm which produces selfishness, greed, violence.  All that is needed is the healing of your heart.  I routinely defend your actions.  The issue is not one of race but one of followers of authoritarian control –vs- liberty.  We live in an authoritarian system of control.  You are controlled, we are controlled, everyone is controlled.</p>
<p>•  Freedom said on 17 Apr 2008 at 8:25 am: Oh Fuzzy, Indigenouswhatever doesn’t want any of the positives that you’ve proposed; he/she just wants to stir the pot, doesn’t even believe what he/she’s saying.</p>
<p>INA said:  I am here to educate and liberate.  The truth and only the truth will set you free.  You are slaves of your authoritarian world view.  Yes the truth will upset many people’s worldview of white Americans being peaceful people who only use control, force and use violence in self-defense.  It is simply a lie.  It is the same lie that the Nazis would have told for hundreds of years if they’d won WWII.  Just look.  The U.S. just killed one million brown people in Iraq for oil.  But you do not see that you are the aggressors.  You did the same to brown tribal people in Vietnam and El Salvador.  And the list is a mile long over the past 500 years.  This behavior comes from your socialization in Europe for 6000 years under authoritarian control and now you have us all living under authoritarian control.  </p>
<p>•  Patty said on 17 Apr 2008 at 8:48 am: There are no such thing as indigenous americans. First americans would be the accurate description. </p>
<p>INA Said:  Yes you are correct.  The term America is from an Italian fellow.  However, if we called ourselves by our real names you would not know what we were talking about.</p>
<p>Patty said:  Also, Cortez and his conquistadors went into Mexico and its environs.  </p>
<p>INA said; What???  Mexico is also America and Cortez is also European.<br />
Patty said: INA, why don’t you make your complaints to Spain. The Mexicans have roots with Spain.<br />
INA said:  Mexicans are Native Americans and have their roots in America.  As I have said this is not about the past or complaining.  This is about understanding your actions today and how they are part of the 500 year holocaust.<br />
long time said on 17 Apr 2008 at 9:27 am: IndigenousNativeAmerican it is your form of self serving lies and mistruths that infuriate people on both sides of this complex issue. </p>
<p>INA said:  Lets not generalize.  Please point out details in what I have said that was not true.  Any fool can make a general statement but it takes and intelligent person to get into the details and go the distance and provide supporting references to support what they say.  I am not saying that you are a fool but your actions speak for themselves.</p>
<p>Long time said:  There is no doubt we as a nation had our growing pains. We are still an adolescent nation in the grand world order, and yet as a nation we have done things no other nation has ever done trying to protect true native americans. </p>
<p>INA said:  Please list the details of all that your people have done to and for Native Americans.  I think you are ignorant of your own history.  I will put this in terms you can understand—money.  Once you put this complete list together what you will find is for every penny worth of value given one million dollars worlt of value was taken.  Since you made the point please back it up with details or you risk looking like a fool.</p>
<p>Second point, western culture is not in its adolescences.  The U.S. and the authoritarian global system it leads in the maturation of 6000 years of authoritarian rule, conquest and control over the indigenous way all started in Europe.  As the prophecies have stated for thousands of years and science today shows us and most people now realize, this system cannot possibly continue.  Peak oil, global warming, the powershift created by the internet all point to the end of the horrible and abusive system.  Your time is over, your abuse will continue no longer, your cycle has ended, the violence must stop and the meek shall now inherit the earth.  It is time for peace and love and the truth will set you free and heal your heart.</p>
<p>Long time said:  I’m with others and invite you and your fellow chickens to leave if you don’t like it here. If you want to stay then follow our American (United States of America) laws, customs and values. </p>
<p>INA said:  I am on my continent.  If anyone will be leaving it will be people who thrive on violence, murder, control and disrespect for mother earth.  The true laws of Turtle Island has always been peace, love, harmony, respect for mother earth.  The people who live by these principles will be staying and the one’s who don’t will be leaving.  You have a choice.  Live by these natural laws or leave.<br />
Long time said:  Freedom is a precious thing!<br />
INA said:  We Native American taught you all that you know about freedom.  Read the books Lila and Indian Givers to understand this.  The U.S. is not a system based upon freedom.  It is a system of authoritarian control.  We are merely free to elect who will be the dictators who will rule over us between two choices.  Government and control of people has never worked and never will.  To understand true freedom you must understand Native culture.<br />
•  Che&#8217; said on 17 Apr 2008 at 10:20 am:  I’m of American Indian descent, and can tell you I have no cultural or familial ties with the inhabitants of Mexico or Central America. Mexican Indians have as much claim to America as I do to El Salvador.<br />
Hello Che:</p>
<p>INA said:  Do you know how many white people have come up to me and said, &#8220;hey my grandmother was a Cherokee Indian princess.”  If you were truly Native American and knew your culture you would not be so ignorant to make the statement above.  We had no borders and there was free flow of people all over the Turtle Island.  The notion of freedom was introduced to the Europeans by Native Americans. Your people had forgotten what it was since you&#8217;d been under authoritarian rule for so long.</p>
<p>You people need to stop coming from fear.  Fear leads you to jump to conclusions.  Who said anything about claiming the United States.  Second, do you see the contradiction and racism in your words.  They are from American.  Your people named the entire continent America and not just the US.  They are all American and have a right to claim America.  You evidently think that only the U.S. is America—ignorance and arrogance a deadly combination.</p>
<p>The Truth Shall Set you Free</p>
<p>Indigenous Native American<br />
The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth</p>
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		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-61679</link>
		<dc:creator>IndigenousNativeAmerican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-61679</guid>
		<description>#  manassascityresident said on 15 Apr 2008 at 7:50 pm: blah, blah, blah…..come up with something new will you?

INA said:  The truth is the truth.  What new needs to be said.  None of your people have been able to make a half reasonable case.  .

#  AWCheney said on 15 Apr 2008 at 8:12 pm:  Herve, that’s not at all the issue. I always find it interesting when enablers change the subject to avoid the actual point. Is it because they don’t have the ability to reason the point so they choose to misdirect it; is it because their reading comprehension is flawed and they can’t figure out the point to begin with; or is it because they don’t have a legitimate point to make so they twist the discussion into a totally different direction and hope that, by trial and error, they can find a point that they actually have the ability to argue? So sad.

AW:  I am shocked to see you jumping on someone else's case when this is exactly what you have done.  Each time to speak regarding the issues I raise you either run away with no comeback or change the subject.




#  legal2 said on 15 Apr 2008 at 10:18 pm:  I guess IndigenousNative wants to go all the way back to the Aztecs who murdered thousands per day (human sacrifice) ripping out the hearts of their victims while still alive and sometimes noshing on them. http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehistory/latinamerica/topics/human_scacrifice.html
Great strides have since been made by those Europeans that you so love to hate, like it or not. US citizens are a bit more civilized (though imperfect) and have created this coveted culture in much shorter time than apparently the “natives” are able to do, so much so that they risk crossing the border to live here, rather than in their indigenous south &#38; central America.

INA:  This is the type of ignorance that enabled a holocaust of our people.  I have already explain about why you are dead wrong in your comments above and how this violence you speak of actually came from Europe.  Please get educated before spreading this ignorance.  Prior to European contact there was no violence on Turtle Island.


#  Michael said on 15 Apr 2008 at 11:25 pm:  Today is the day I submitted my tax return. This year, more than in past years, it was an especially angry submission, knowing that “illegal” immigrants who work for people who are law-breakers themselves, are not submitting and paying tax. I am paying their share for them and that does not make me very happy. They get “free” social services paid for by my tax dollars, and I do not, which makes me even more upset this tax day. I am ready to vote any government official out of office who does not come up with a way for us to determine “illegal” people from legal people, and deport those we find until none of them are left to screw me out of my tax dollars.

INA said:  one of the things that has enabled the holocaust of millions of our people is this type of lying propaganda.  Please explain to me how a person works in a job, gets a pay check and pays no state and federal taxes.  Taxes are taken out of the check before the money is paid.  How does a person buy gas without paying gas tax.  How does a person register a car without paying taxes.  The thing that is sad about these kind of ruthless lies is that there is a 500 year history of these type lies in order to kills, deport, force relocate, torture Native Americans all due to people's vicious lies.   

The truth shall set you free!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#  manassascityresident said on 15 Apr 2008 at 7:50 pm: blah, blah, blah…..come up with something new will you?</p>
<p>INA said:  The truth is the truth.  What new needs to be said.  None of your people have been able to make a half reasonable case.  .</p>
<p>#  AWCheney said on 15 Apr 2008 at 8:12 pm:  Herve, that’s not at all the issue. I always find it interesting when enablers change the subject to avoid the actual point. Is it because they don’t have the ability to reason the point so they choose to misdirect it; is it because their reading comprehension is flawed and they can’t figure out the point to begin with; or is it because they don’t have a legitimate point to make so they twist the discussion into a totally different direction and hope that, by trial and error, they can find a point that they actually have the ability to argue? So sad.</p>
<p>AW:  I am shocked to see you jumping on someone else&#8217;s case when this is exactly what you have done.  Each time to speak regarding the issues I raise you either run away with no comeback or change the subject.</p>
<p>#  legal2 said on 15 Apr 2008 at 10:18 pm:  I guess IndigenousNative wants to go all the way back to the Aztecs who murdered thousands per day (human sacrifice) ripping out the hearts of their victims while still alive and sometimes noshing on them. <a href="http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehistory/latinamerica/topics/human_scacrifice.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehistory/latinamerica/topics/human_scacrifice.html</a><br />
Great strides have since been made by those Europeans that you so love to hate, like it or not. US citizens are a bit more civilized (though imperfect) and have created this coveted culture in much shorter time than apparently the “natives” are able to do, so much so that they risk crossing the border to live here, rather than in their indigenous south &amp; central America.</p>
<p>INA:  This is the type of ignorance that enabled a holocaust of our people.  I have already explain about why you are dead wrong in your comments above and how this violence you speak of actually came from Europe.  Please get educated before spreading this ignorance.  Prior to European contact there was no violence on Turtle Island.</p>
<p>#  Michael said on 15 Apr 2008 at 11:25 pm:  Today is the day I submitted my tax return. This year, more than in past years, it was an especially angry submission, knowing that “illegal” immigrants who work for people who are law-breakers themselves, are not submitting and paying tax. I am paying their share for them and that does not make me very happy. They get “free” social services paid for by my tax dollars, and I do not, which makes me even more upset this tax day. I am ready to vote any government official out of office who does not come up with a way for us to determine “illegal” people from legal people, and deport those we find until none of them are left to screw me out of my tax dollars.</p>
<p>INA said:  one of the things that has enabled the holocaust of millions of our people is this type of lying propaganda.  Please explain to me how a person works in a job, gets a pay check and pays no state and federal taxes.  Taxes are taken out of the check before the money is paid.  How does a person buy gas without paying gas tax.  How does a person register a car without paying taxes.  The thing that is sad about these kind of ruthless lies is that there is a 500 year history of these type lies in order to kills, deport, force relocate, torture Native Americans all due to people&#8217;s vicious lies.   </p>
<p>The truth shall set you free!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Indigenous Native Americans</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-61441</link>
		<dc:creator>Indigenous Native Americans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-61441</guid>
		<description>Greg, AW, Karla and other Anti-Native Americans

What is the problem?  You are quite.  Are you afraid that the more you speak the more plain the immorality and irrationally of your positions will be exposed.  Yes, please continue to talk so that the world can judge for themselves the insanity of your positions.  

You are in the exact same positions as the minority rule whites segregationist and separatists in South Africa.  Again you must learn to be confortable with brown people and learn to live as a minority here.  This is just a fact of life.  You have chosen to live on a brown continent.  

Greg each time you speak you talk about how angry and enraged you are.  Nobody is forcing you to stay here on a brown continent.  Nobody forced your people to come here and build your society on someone else's land.  Your anger is like the rapist who is angry at the person being raped for merely saying how she is being hurt.

Again the point is we must learn to live together.  Why are you all resisting peace and love so much.

Indigenous Native American
The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, AW, Karla and other Anti-Native Americans</p>
<p>What is the problem?  You are quite.  Are you afraid that the more you speak the more plain the immorality and irrationally of your positions will be exposed.  Yes, please continue to talk so that the world can judge for themselves the insanity of your positions.  </p>
<p>You are in the exact same positions as the minority rule whites segregationist and separatists in South Africa.  Again you must learn to be confortable with brown people and learn to live as a minority here.  This is just a fact of life.  You have chosen to live on a brown continent.  </p>
<p>Greg each time you speak you talk about how angry and enraged you are.  Nobody is forcing you to stay here on a brown continent.  Nobody forced your people to come here and build your society on someone else&#8217;s land.  Your anger is like the rapist who is angry at the person being raped for merely saying how she is being hurt.</p>
<p>Again the point is we must learn to live together.  Why are you all resisting peace and love so much.</p>
<p>Indigenous Native American<br />
The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth</p>
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		<title>By: Indigenous Native Americans</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-61130</link>
		<dc:creator>Indigenous Native Americans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-61130</guid>
		<description>Greg said: "If your intent is to enrage as many people as possible into shutting out any consideration of how we should address the lingering effects of past atrocious behavior, you’re succeeding splendidly. I can honestly attest that I am less interested in even hearing about this issue now than ever before."

INA response: So when you thought there were a few hundred Indians left in VA you were all for feeling sorry for us.  We were no longer a threat to the Euro-Americans dream of Manifest Destiny.  Now you have been educated and know that there may be as many as one million Native Americans in VA and that the continent is majority Native Americans making Euro-Americans a small minority.  Yes, this does pose a threat to the immoral vision of manifest destiny.  All this means is that we must learn to get along and live together.  That you are not the boss man who can dictate to everyone else how the world will work.

We must work and live together in peace and harmony.  As they saw in South Africia walls are not tall enough to keep Natives segregated in their own homelands.  

Anger and rage comes from fear.  There is nothing to fear from living with Brown people.  We will not treat you the way that you have treated us.  We will not try to deport you like you are doing with us.  However, there is a limit to the amount of abuse anyone can be expected to take.  500 years is enough don't you think?

Peace and Love

Indigenous Native American
The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg said: &#8220;If your intent is to enrage as many people as possible into shutting out any consideration of how we should address the lingering effects of past atrocious behavior, you’re succeeding splendidly. I can honestly attest that I am less interested in even hearing about this issue now than ever before.&#8221;</p>
<p>INA response: So when you thought there were a few hundred Indians left in VA you were all for feeling sorry for us.  We were no longer a threat to the Euro-Americans dream of Manifest Destiny.  Now you have been educated and know that there may be as many as one million Native Americans in VA and that the continent is majority Native Americans making Euro-Americans a small minority.  Yes, this does pose a threat to the immoral vision of manifest destiny.  All this means is that we must learn to get along and live together.  That you are not the boss man who can dictate to everyone else how the world will work.</p>
<p>We must work and live together in peace and harmony.  As they saw in South Africia walls are not tall enough to keep Natives segregated in their own homelands.  </p>
<p>Anger and rage comes from fear.  There is nothing to fear from living with Brown people.  We will not treat you the way that you have treated us.  We will not try to deport you like you are doing with us.  However, there is a limit to the amount of abuse anyone can be expected to take.  500 years is enough don&#8217;t you think?</p>
<p>Peace and Love</p>
<p>Indigenous Native American<br />
The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth</p>
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		<title>By: Indigenous Native Americans</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-61127</link>
		<dc:creator>Indigenous Native Americans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-61127</guid>
		<description>Greg said, "fantasy that modern-day Americans are personally responsible for murders, forced relocations, and war against Native Americans"

INA's Response:  I don't know if you cannot read or what the problem is, I have been very clear in what I have written.  The point has nothing to do with modern day Americans being personally responsible for murders and war against Native Americans.  

The point is the consistency between what "you" and your kind are doing today and what white people have been doing for 500 years.  They are some of the same actions with the same motives.  Why can't you get this through your head.  It is simple logic and analysis 101.  White people in what you call American have been relocating Native Americans on our own homelands since 1492 right up to this week in Prince William County.  What do you think deportation is?  It is forced relocation.  Not seeing this 1+1 logic is what is a fantasy.  We have to look at the full picture in order to see what is occurring.  The murders and wars in the past against Native Americans were all about the land where the United States now stands and today the deportations are still about the land--deporting us off of this land.  What is so difficult for you to see with the basic kindergarden logic.  

Greg said, "My ancestors did nothing more than attempt to convert Native Americans to catholicism in Canada during this time period."

INA response: Do you realize what a horrible crime this was?  In canada thounsands of children were killed in christian schools in Canada because they would not convert to Christanity.  There is much documented regarding the horrible way Christainy was forced on us with torture, death.  We were tortured and killed if we spoke our own language or practiced our own religion.  The religious brainwashing was part of the genocide on Turtle Island.  Are you really that unaware of what your people's personal role was as to sit here and say "my ancestors did nothing more than attempt to convert Native Americans to catholicism". Wow!! No wonder you take the positions you do.  I wonder if you'd feel the same if someone did this to your family.  I suggest some education is so that you learn the real history of what you family did and what you are a product of.  Just google your own words, "convert Native Americans to catholicism in Canada".

Greg said, "When you insult me by suggesting that I am engaged in the present-day wrongful treatment of Native Americans with your bizarre tirades, it hardly resembles this peace and love you speak of."

INA response:  Greg, you must be kidding.  You seem to be the foremost advocate of deporting and forced relocations of Native Americans out of Prince William CO and VA.  That is what your website and forum is all about.  So you are saying to point out a wrongful, racist act is violent and non-peaceful. Martin Luther King said we are obligated to point out the wrongs being done.  I think King and Gandi would definitely disagree with you that pointing out racist, greedy, selfish acts is in and of itself violent and non-peaceful.

Greg said, "You appear to be little more than an embittered radical activist, bent on laying blame on the blameless"

INA response:  where do you see anything embittered, radical or of an activist nature?  So when is stating facts radical.  Show things that I have said that were NOT facts.  Just becuase they don't fit within your narrow, limited perspective does not make them radical.  Facts are facts!!! 

Greg said, "while couching your language in a disingenuous cloak of sunshine and puppies."

INA Response:  Why is calling for tolerance, peace, living together in peace and harmony anything but what it is.  If we don't learn to do this we will not make it beyond the next 50 years.  Ask me to explain this and I will and it all has to do with the powershift that Information technology shifts to the individual from bureaucracies.  

I truely hope that you can find peace in your heart and release the rage and anger that has you leading the way to continue a 500 year genocide of Indigenous Native Americans in their own homeland of Turtle Island, by seeking the forced removal and deportation of Native Americans, whose only crime is to be born brown and on Turtle Island.

Peace and Love

Indigenous Native American
The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg said, &#8220;fantasy that modern-day Americans are personally responsible for murders, forced relocations, and war against Native Americans&#8221;</p>
<p>INA&#8217;s Response:  I don&#8217;t know if you cannot read or what the problem is, I have been very clear in what I have written.  The point has nothing to do with modern day Americans being personally responsible for murders and war against Native Americans.  </p>
<p>The point is the consistency between what &#8220;you&#8221; and your kind are doing today and what white people have been doing for 500 years.  They are some of the same actions with the same motives.  Why can&#8217;t you get this through your head.  It is simple logic and analysis 101.  White people in what you call American have been relocating Native Americans on our own homelands since 1492 right up to this week in Prince William County.  What do you think deportation is?  It is forced relocation.  Not seeing this 1+1 logic is what is a fantasy.  We have to look at the full picture in order to see what is occurring.  The murders and wars in the past against Native Americans were all about the land where the United States now stands and today the deportations are still about the land&#8211;deporting us off of this land.  What is so difficult for you to see with the basic kindergarden logic.  </p>
<p>Greg said, &#8220;My ancestors did nothing more than attempt to convert Native Americans to catholicism in Canada during this time period.&#8221;</p>
<p>INA response: Do you realize what a horrible crime this was?  In canada thounsands of children were killed in christian schools in Canada because they would not convert to Christanity.  There is much documented regarding the horrible way Christainy was forced on us with torture, death.  We were tortured and killed if we spoke our own language or practiced our own religion.  The religious brainwashing was part of the genocide on Turtle Island.  Are you really that unaware of what your people&#8217;s personal role was as to sit here and say &#8220;my ancestors did nothing more than attempt to convert Native Americans to catholicism&#8221;. Wow!! No wonder you take the positions you do.  I wonder if you&#8217;d feel the same if someone did this to your family.  I suggest some education is so that you learn the real history of what you family did and what you are a product of.  Just google your own words, &#8220;convert Native Americans to catholicism in Canada&#8221;.</p>
<p>Greg said, &#8220;When you insult me by suggesting that I am engaged in the present-day wrongful treatment of Native Americans with your bizarre tirades, it hardly resembles this peace and love you speak of.&#8221;</p>
<p>INA response:  Greg, you must be kidding.  You seem to be the foremost advocate of deporting and forced relocations of Native Americans out of Prince William CO and VA.  That is what your website and forum is all about.  So you are saying to point out a wrongful, racist act is violent and non-peaceful. Martin Luther King said we are obligated to point out the wrongs being done.  I think King and Gandi would definitely disagree with you that pointing out racist, greedy, selfish acts is in and of itself violent and non-peaceful.</p>
<p>Greg said, &#8220;You appear to be little more than an embittered radical activist, bent on laying blame on the blameless&#8221;</p>
<p>INA response:  where do you see anything embittered, radical or of an activist nature?  So when is stating facts radical.  Show things that I have said that were NOT facts.  Just becuase they don&#8217;t fit within your narrow, limited perspective does not make them radical.  Facts are facts!!! </p>
<p>Greg said, &#8220;while couching your language in a disingenuous cloak of sunshine and puppies.&#8221;</p>
<p>INA Response:  Why is calling for tolerance, peace, living together in peace and harmony anything but what it is.  If we don&#8217;t learn to do this we will not make it beyond the next 50 years.  Ask me to explain this and I will and it all has to do with the powershift that Information technology shifts to the individual from bureaucracies.  </p>
<p>I truely hope that you can find peace in your heart and release the rage and anger that has you leading the way to continue a 500 year genocide of Indigenous Native Americans in their own homeland of Turtle Island, by seeking the forced removal and deportation of Native Americans, whose only crime is to be born brown and on Turtle Island.</p>
<p>Peace and Love</p>
<p>Indigenous Native American<br />
The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth</p>
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		<title>By: Greg L</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-61054</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/25/mexicans-without-borders-defaces-manassas-again/#comment-61054</guid>
		<description>INA, you cling to this fantasy that modern-day Americans are personally responsible for murders, forced relocations, and war against Native Americans.  While I think we all acknowledge that the treatment of Native Americans during our history has been terrible, trying to hold current generations liable for those past grievances is plain irresponsible.

My ancestors did nothing more than attempt to convert Native Americans to catholicism in Canada during this time period.  When you insult me by suggesting that I am engaged in the present-day wrongful treatment of Native Americans with your bizarre tirades, it hardly resembles this peace and love you speak of.  You appear to be little more than an embittered radical activist, bent on laying blame on the blameless, while couching your language in a disingenuous cloak of sunshine and puppies.

If your intent is to enrage as many people as possible into shutting out any consideration of how we should address the lingering effects of past atrocious behavior, you're succeeding splendidly.  I can honestly attest that I am less interested in even hearing about this issue now than ever before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>INA, you cling to this fantasy that modern-day Americans are personally responsible for murders, forced relocations, and war against Native Americans.  While I think we all acknowledge that the treatment of Native Americans during our history has been terrible, trying to hold current generations liable for those past grievances is plain irresponsible.</p>
<p>My ancestors did nothing more than attempt to convert Native Americans to catholicism in Canada during this time period.  When you insult me by suggesting that I am engaged in the present-day wrongful treatment of Native Americans with your bizarre tirades, it hardly resembles this peace and love you speak of.  You appear to be little more than an embittered radical activist, bent on laying blame on the blameless, while couching your language in a disingenuous cloak of sunshine and puppies.</p>
<p>If your intent is to enrage as many people as possible into shutting out any consideration of how we should address the lingering effects of past atrocious behavior, you&#8217;re succeeding splendidly.  I can honestly attest that I am less interested in even hearing about this issue now than ever before.</p>
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