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Fear-Mongering In Prince William County

By Greg L | 26 March 2008 | Illegal Aliens, Prince William County | 37 Comments

The Prince William County Police Department acknowledged the presence of a deliberate misinformation campaign on the part of radical illegal alien supporters in an article published today in The American Observer, the student newspaper of American University. One of the major culprits identified is the National Immigrant Solidarity Network, which has been consistently warning immigrant populations that they are going to be the subject of racially-based police activity that will harass Hispanic residents regardless of their legal status in the country. The Police Department has spent a substantial amount of taxpayer dollars attempting to provide accurate information about the county’s policies and how they will be implemented in an effort to combat this fear-mongering campaign, but according to Mexicans Without Borders, the lies seem to be winning over the truth.

Although Mexicanos Sin Fronteras (Mexicans Without Borders) recently tried to claim that they’re not a part of any fear-mongering campaign, their relationship with the Immigrant Solidarity Network is enduring and extensive. The front page of the Immigrant Solidarity Network currently displays a prominent appeal to assist Mexicans Without Borders) from March 7th, and considers Mexicans Without Borders part of their 2007-2008 Strategic Immigrant Campaign Framework. In his role of “Solidarity Outreach Coordinator” for Mexicans Without Borders, John Steinbach has written articles posted on the website of the Immigrant Solidarity Network praising the organization for their assistance and support. Ricardo Juarez of Mexicans Without Borders has made joint appearances with Lee Siu Hin who runs the Immigrant Solidarity Network as recently as the 2007 May Day protests in Washington, DC where they called for and end to workplace enforcement actions, a halt to all deportations of illegal aliens, amnesty for illegal aliens and the establishment of Washington, DC as a sanctuary city. This association between Ricardo Juarez and Lee Siu Hin reaches back to at least 2004, when they worked together opposing immigration reform in Freehold, New Jersey while Mexicans Without Borders was still known as “Comité Zapatista L@s Pasamontañas” (Zapatista Committee Of The Ski Mask).

The Immigrant Solidarity Network regularly espouses the same Zapatista propaganda seem from Mexicans Without Borders (see here, here and here) and is allied with some disturbing anarchist organizations.  That they’re a major player in the effort to terrify the immigrant community really comes as little surprise.  Scaring the hell out of legal immigrants is a facile way to establish “solidarity” with their illegal alien brothers, increase their membership, and continue to wrest influence away from more responsible immigrant organizations on the issue.  It also provides fodder for what Karl Marx termed “useful idiots”, who take these hysterical rantings at face value and promote them as part of their “social justice” agenda.

It’s just too bad that the effect here is to subvert publicly-funded information campaigns which attempt to educate the public on what the government is doing.  I wonder if we can send the Immigrant Solidarity Network and Mexicans Without Borders a bill for the damage they’ve done within the very community they claim to represent.  I suppose we could, but I doubt they’d ever pay it.



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37 Comments

  1. LBM said on 26 Mar 2008 at 3:55 pm:
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    From the article:

    “As a result of the policy, large numbers of Hispanic immigrant residents, both documented and undocumented, have already left the county in the run-up to the policy’s enactment, said Nancy Lyall, the legal coordinator of Mexicanos Sin Fronteras, a Northern Virginia-based advocacy group for Hispanic immigrants. The migration of these taxpayers has resulted in vacant homes and a 28 percent increase in the Prince William County tax rate, Lyall said.”

    While Legal residents pay taxes, what taxes do illegals pay?

    They don’t pay SS tax, payroll tax, income (state & federal), real-estate tax (unless they were given a sub-prime loan - and have since vacated their premeses), etc.

    The only tax they would have to pay is Sales tax, and perhaps personal property tax on their vehicle. Is she seriously suggesting that the illegal community has had that much of an impact on county sales tax we had to have an increase of such magnitude? For they sure didn’t pay the others….

    And to add, homes were going vacant in my neighborhood well before the crackdown on illegals. We have homes that have sat vacant for months because of foreclosure. Seems to me the burst housing bubble has had to do more with the vacant homes.

  2. Johnson said on 26 Mar 2008 at 5:06 pm:
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    “Useful Idiots”-wow, what a great term! The fear mongering is reaching a fever pitch. Desperation is a stinky cologne. They will scream the rallying cry of racism all the way to the border. I hate to sound like a recording, but latinos/hispanics are still white. Let it go, amigo.

  3. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 26 Mar 2008 at 5:17 pm:
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    Where is….ICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  4. Bob Wills said on 26 Mar 2008 at 5:18 pm:
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    “The Police Department has spent a substantial amount of taxpayer dollars attempting to provide accurate information about the county’s policies and how they will be implemented in an effort to combat this fear-mongering campaign, but according to Mexicans Without Borders, the lies seem to be winning over the truth.”

    Greg are you talking about the elected Politicians of PWC both local and state ? Is it not their lies that won over truth and got them elected ?

    If the lies are doing so much to run illegals out of the county why are you complaining? On Deans side, if the lies are running the illegals out of the county why are we spending money to get the truth out ?

    You should be thanking them for scaring the illegals out of the county. Greg you just are not real bright are you when someone comes along and helps you solve a problem.

    “The migration of these taxpayers has resulted in vacant homes and a 28 percent increase in the Prince William County tax rate, Lyall said.”

    How can anyone be so fiscaly stupid to say that illegals have caused this problem and the tax rate means nothing but people until you learn finance 101 your politicians will keep on coning you. It sure sure sound good to scare the people of PWC to think it is not the falut of greedy citizens and wall street that helped this disaster come about but rather illegal immigrants.

    While Legal residents pay taxes, what taxes do illegals pay?

    They don’t pay SS tax, payroll tax, income (state & federal), real-estate tax (unless they were given a sub-prime loan - and have since vacated their premeses), etc.

    Are you saying that if one rents they do not pay RE Taxes? I guess you must never have rented any property and if one does not include the cost of RE Taxes in the rent they they loose money out of thier pocket. You probably think that spending a dollar so you can get .15 cents back because of the tax deduction is good fiscal planing …. Just another great way to go broke. And they do pay SS taxes when national retail chains keep valid SS numbers to use for the illegals who work for them. Yes it is not construction compaines that hire illegals but places you go and like the service.

  5. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 26 Mar 2008 at 5:25 pm:
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    Bob, do you think that illegal aliens who “rent” fill out lease agreements? Probably not. It’s probably all under the table just like the work….CASH.

  6. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 26 Mar 2008 at 5:27 pm:
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    Another thing…Bob….if an illegal alien lives in a bunk house (with 10-30) people in it….they are not paying their fair share of taxes (even if it is included in the rent). All the tax money that should be collected from separate individual single family residents is lost.

  7. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 26 Mar 2008 at 5:28 pm:
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    Bob,

    What about the overcrowded house that has enough residents in it to be in 3 homes. They are not paying their fair share of the taxes. 2 additional homes of taxes are not being paid, yet that home is taking up 3 homes worth of services.

  8. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 26 Mar 2008 at 5:29 pm:
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    LOL @ Patriot, we are on the same page :)

  9. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 26 Mar 2008 at 5:29 pm:
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    I can not type fast enough to post within a minute of your post.

  10. CJC said on 26 Mar 2008 at 7:57 pm:
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    Bob,
    It should also be noted that the multi-familes also have large families that crowd our schools. Not only do we pay to educate them, we pay more to educate them.

  11. Bob Wills said on 26 Mar 2008 at 8:19 pm:
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    The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 26 Mar 2008 at 5:25 pm:
    Bob, do you think that illegal aliens who “rent” fill out lease agreements? Probably not. It’s probably all under the table just like the work….CASH.

    What does paying cash have to do with if the house someone is renting and living in got to do with if that house pays RE Taxes ? If someone wants to rent and not claim the income and not take the tax deductions so what ,they loose not you. Who pays cash and wants a cheaper price why Harry Homeowner.

    The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 26 Mar 2008 at 5:27 pm:
    Another thing…Bob….if an illegal alien lives in a bunk house (with 10-30) people in it….they are not paying their fair share of taxes (even if it is included in the rent). All the tax money that should be collected from separate individual single family residents is lost.

    I do not disagree with you about the amount being paid if on an individual basis. Are you implying though that if someone has 4-9 children they should be paying more in Re Taxes then if they only had 2 ? The county has laws about over crowding and that applies if legal or illegal so why are they not enforced and this is the county’s falut not the police. Do you really think it is only illegals that bring relatives and others to make thing work ?

    /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 26 Mar 2008 at 5:28 pm:
    Bob,

    What about the overcrowded house that has enough residents in it to be in 3 homes. They are not paying their fair share of the taxes. 2 additional homes of taxes are not being paid, yet that home is taking up 3 homes worth of services

    That may or may not be true as to the amount of services they are using. If this is adults then there is no cost for education and I doubt they use the rec centers and we know they do not want police or fire services. the medical services are not paid by the county RE Taxes but they do impact indirectly.

    On the flip side of over crowding where is all the ” services money” going and being used by those houses that have one person or just a couple living in it? How many houses have no school children in them? On my street are 6 houses. Only one as any school age children ( you do not want to know how many children they have either :)) ) and this has been this way for some 15 years or more. The one house does not send the children to public school. Where and how is that income being used or spent?

    What about the one bedroom apartments that have no children and the money they pay for services and do not use?

    illegals are a problem but if you buy into the false statements that they are the total cause of our current situation you will never understand why this county got here and will repeat it again in the future.

  12. Bob Wills said on 26 Mar 2008 at 8:23 pm:
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    CJC said on 26 Mar 2008 at 7:57 pm:
    Bob,
    It should also be noted that the multi-familes also have large families that crowd our schools. Not only do we pay to educate them, we pay more to educate them.

    CJC

    How many children is a family allowed to have in one house? Would you limit the number of children one can have? Is it aright if you are legal but not alright is you are illegal to have many children?

    Nothing is just a simple answer.

  13. ateacher said on 26 Mar 2008 at 8:42 pm:
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    Even home schoolers parents who decide not to do public school, and even when parents decide to send their children to private school, their childrens existance provides the state with funds.

  14. anon said on 26 Mar 2008 at 11:59 pm:
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    The tax rate is calculated based on what occurs in an AVERAGE PWC home. If you take a single family home and you crowd 14 kids and 8 adults into it, the tax paid by that home is not enough to cover the services used. Of course that would be the case with a household that had 2 adults who happened to have 14 children of their own, but the difference is, that would not be the AVERAGE situation.

    The problem with overcrowding is that when it was just one house on a street, it didn’t make an impact. But when it was every other house on the street, it made a huge impact. Manassas Point of Woods was having sewer issues because the number of people using the sewers were way more than the average homes that the sewer capacity was planned for.

    Of course you could adjust the average and say that every home now has an average of 10 kids and 6 adults per home, but then the people (who have been following the rules all along) taxes would go up. Is that fair? I don’t think so.

  15. Angry Blackman! said on 27 Mar 2008 at 7:19 am:
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    The Illegal Aliens who bought homes here and have since just left them were duped by their own people. In many cases, they dealt with a Hispanic Realtor, Hispance Loan company and had they went through and qualified like I had too, none of this would have never happened. Don’t take this as being racial…Please don’t but these people have been “had” by their own.
    The documents were forged, numbers were fudged and the homeowner got the house he/she wanted.

    Another fact is that whoever bought the home, took for granted that they could rely on under the table income from “illegal aliens” who have since lost work or left the area putting the homebuyer into having to rely on 2 incomes. Had these 2 incomes been only the ones on the application initially, the homeowner would have not qualified to buy the home.

    If these people had’ve bought a home like Americans do (legit documents, being able to qualify legit on 2 incomes) then this wouldn’t have happened. The market will now go through a correction period as it did in the 90’s and then things will get better.

  16. LBM said on 27 Mar 2008 at 9:59 am:
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    >>>>Are you saying that if one rents they do not pay RE Taxes? I guess you must never have rented any property and if one does not include the cost of RE Taxes in the rent they they loose money out of thier pocket. You probably think that spending a dollar so you can get .15 cents back because of the tax deduction is good fiscal planing …. Just another great way to go broke. And they do pay SS taxes when national retail chains keep valid SS numbers to use for the illegals who work for them. Yes it is not construction compaines that hire illegals but places you go and like the service.”

  17. LBM said on 27 Mar 2008 at 10:13 am:
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    I don’t know what happened, but my post was cut off…so I’ll repost.

    “Are you saying that if one rents they do not pay RE Taxes? I guess you must never have rented any property and if one does not include the cost of RE Taxes in the rent they they loose money out of thier pocket. You probably think that spending a dollar so you can get .15 cents back because of the tax deduction is good fiscal planing …. Just another great way to go broke. And they do pay SS taxes when national retail chains keep valid SS numbers to use for the illegals who work for them. Yes it is not construction compaines that hire illegals but places you go and like the service.”

    If one rents, as in one rents a room in a home - NO they do not pay RE taxes. When I moved to Manassas in 2001, I rented a room in a townhouse. I paid rent and utilities. I paid no RE tax.

    As for your laughable claim on national retail chains - if you know of businesses, local chain retailers who are fradulently assigning SS numbers to illegal aliens to secure employment now would be a good time to call the IRS, DoHS, ICE and the BBB. I am sure they would be fascinated to hear of your inside knowledge of retailers giving out false taxpayer IDs to cover for illegal aliens. Not only is it fraud, it is a national security risk.

    And I love how you know where I shop/eat. I don’t eat at chain restaurants for the food is crud. I don’t eat fast food because the product sketches me out. I haven’t eatten a McD’s burger in years for I know how the meat was processed and its lack of safety. We do our own home repairs, our own lawncare, etc. Now you may wish to play the “gotcha” game and claim that our food (meat & produce) is processed by illegals. And you would be right. However that would be on a national level. I have no control over who picks my lettuce in California. On a local level I can though express my rights as a customer and refuse to trade my money for services/goods procured by illegals.

    There is no free lunch. While using goods/services produced by illegals may give them money (and their families back home); locally their presence steals jobs from Americans, delivers inferior products/services, costs the community more to support them (medical, educational, etc) and lets companies off the hook from acting responsibly towards the community in which they operate.

  18. LBM said on 27 Mar 2008 at 10:19 am:
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    “How many children is a family allowed to have in one house?”

    That depends upon the size of the house. Child protective services may have a legitimate beef if 6 kids are crammed into a 3-bedroom house.

    “Would you limit the number of children one can have? Is it aright if you are legal but not alright is you are illegal to have many children?”

    An irrelevant red herring. The welfare of children is paramount, be it a child living in a 10-bedroom mansion with no siblings, or 10 kids crammed into a 3-bedroom cape cod.

  19. Bob Wills said on 27 Mar 2008 at 11:32 am:
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    LBM said on 27 Mar 2008 at 10:13 am:
    I“Are you saying that if one rents they do not pay RE Taxes? I guess you must never have rented any property and if one does not include the cost of RE Taxes in the rent they they loose money out of thier pocket. You probably think that spending a dollar so you can get .15 cents back because of the tax deduction is good fiscal planing …. Just another great way to go broke. And they do pay SS taxes when national retail chains keep valid SS numbers to use for the illegals who work for them. Yes it is not construction compaines that hire illegals but places you go and like the service.”

    If one rents, as in one rents a room in a home - NO they do not pay RE taxes. When I moved to Manassas in 2001, I rented a room in a townhouse. I paid rent and utilities. I paid no RE tax.

    LMB the place you lived paid RE Taxes and the income you paid to rent and that is what paid the RE Taxes it is not an extra cost such as utilites. Do you think that people who rent are not paying the cost of repairs and RE Taxes and Insurance in their rent ? You have a lot to learn about the economics of business but then maybe you believed that a 800 million dollar bond would be issued and their would be no increase in RE Taxes to pay the debt service? I hope you were not tricked into believing such a lie as put out by the BOCS.

    As for your laughable claim on national retail chains - if you know of businesses, local chain retailers who are fradulently assigning SS numbers to illegal aliens to secure employment now would be a good time to call the IRS, DoHS, ICE and the BBB. I am sure they would be fascinated to hear of your inside knowledge of retailers giving out false taxpayer IDs to cover for illegal aliens. Not only is it fraud, it is a national security risk.

    There is nothing laughable about what I said about a nation chain. I know this happens by FACT from a friend who was hired to manage the resturant and wondered new people keep having the same name when he first got their. He resigned for he does do a check on eveyone and if you do not bring in a valid SS number then do not bring another one to try it again.

    I would laugh at you LMB for being so trusting but that would be a waste of time.

    IRS with the checks on reprted wages and W-2 and the wages were reported each quarter does know. If they do something or not is thier problem.

  20. Bob Wills said on 27 Mar 2008 at 11:38 am:
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    LBM said on 27 Mar 2008 at 10:19 am:
    “How many children is a family allowed to have in one house?”

    That depends upon the size of the house. Child protective services may have a legitimate beef if 6 kids are crammed into a 3-bedroom house.

    “Would you limit the number of children one can have? Is it aright if you are legal but not alright is you are illegal to have many children?”

    An irrelevant red herring. The welfare of children is paramount, be it a child living in a 10-bedroom mansion with no siblings, or 10 kids crammed into a 3-bedroom cape cod.

    LMB there is no such legal thing as having a” legitimate beef” it is what is the law. You might have the idea that this country is run by the will of the pople not the Constitution. What is the law as to number of children per house. I believe there are some legal restriction for multifamily units as to the number and age of children per the number of units but what is it for single family and town houses?

    The only red herring is your attitude of I can set the rules and it does not matter what the Law is.

  21. LBM said on 27 Mar 2008 at 11:43 am:
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    “LMB the place you lived paid RE Taxes and the income you paid to rent and that is what paid the RE Taxes it is not an extra cost such as utilites. Do you think that people who rent are not paying the cost of repairs and RE Taxes and Insurance in their rent ? You have a lot to learn about the economics of business but then maybe you believed that a 800 million dollar bond would be issued and their would be no increase in RE Taxes to pay the debt service? I hope you were not tricked into believing such a lie as put out by the BOCS.”

    Yes - ONE person paid RE taxes. As there was myself, the owner and another person renting a room, only the owner paid taxes. If I had a lease for a property in my own name I would have paid taxes. But since I didn’t, only 1 adult of 3 paid tax. Now, expand that scenario to a home renting out rooms to say…8 people. Again, Only the owner pays the RE tax. And those owners aren’t renting out to illegals out of the kindness of their hearts - they’re in it for profit. So the owner pays his base tax while many more people pay him and do not pay into the system from which they are using benefits. This isn’t rocket science.

    “There is nothing laughable about what I said about a nation chain. I know this happens by FACT from a friend who was hired to manage the resturant and wondered new people keep having the same name when he first got their. He resigned for he does do a check on eveyone and if you do not bring in a valid SS number then do not bring another one to try it again.”

    Did your friend report them? Sure he resigned out of “outrage” - but did he do something about it? And one incident is hardly indicative of retail chains all over. And since you now know of it, have you done anything?

    “IRS with the checks on reprted wages and W-2 and the wages were reported each quarter does know. If they do something or not is thier problem.”

    That sentence doesn’t even make an iota of sense. Try again.

  22. Bob Wills said on 27 Mar 2008 at 11:51 am:
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    anon said on 26 Mar 2008 at 11:59 pm:
    The tax rate is calculated based on what occurs in an AVERAGE PWC home. If you take a single family home and you crowd 14 kids and 8 adults into it, the tax paid by that home is not enough to cover the services used. Of course that would be the case with a household that had 2 adults who happened to have 14 children of their own, but the difference is, that would not be the AVERAGE situation.

    anon

    the tax rate is a funtion of two basic facts not averages. Yes what an average home does is a big impact so does what the government does have just as big an impact.

    The base assesment of all capital value of RE is one fact. The amount of money spent by the government less what income might come in from the State and such is what is needed to set a tax rate. The PWC government as I believe created more and more cost not for the public but to make themselves have more control over our lives and properties. They can create an excuse to hire more people and create more laws and regulations for themselves that we do not need or want. That has nothing to do with what an average PWC home does. The tax rate is the result of what is spent devided by the total assesved value. The tax rate is a result of two items not the cause of either one. That is why it is irevelant as to what is advertised.

  23. LBM said on 27 Mar 2008 at 12:05 pm:
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    LMB there is no such legal thing as having a” legitimate beef” it is what is the law.

    O RLY? So CPS would have no basis for removing children from an overcrowded household? If neglect, malnourishment, abuse can be demonstrated from a child living in an overcrowded home you can bet your derierre that child will be removed, especially in one where the majority of residents are here illegally!

    You might have the idea that this country is run by the will of the pople not the Constitution.”

    And you rely too heavily upon your crystal ball to gain insight into what I think. But do show me where in the constitution it is written on housing regulations. Those are local matters, matters that are decided upon by the will of the people as well as the local government.

    “What is the law as to number of children per house. I believe there are some legal restriction for multifamily units as to the number and age of children per the number of units but what is it for single family and town houses? ”

    As of right now that case is being disputed in court. Manassas Park would like to define a number, but people who benefit off the hardship of illegals and illegal sympathizers would like to see it left open. They are proponents of overcrowding.

    “The only red herring is your attitude of I can set the rules and it does not matter what the Law is.”

    Oh nonsense. You raised the “well do we tell people how many children they can have” nonsense. Deal with it. If you don’t like irrelevancies being brought to light, do yourself a favor and don’t post them.

  24. es_la_ley said on 27 Mar 2008 at 12:44 pm:
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    “Terror Level ‘Astronomical’ in Pr. William Co.”
    - Nancy Lyall of Mexicans without Borders

    http://www.wtop.com/?nid=600&sid=1373365

  25. Ted said on 27 Mar 2008 at 1:12 pm:
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    Also from Lyall, words to the effect that the illegal immigrant community sees no difference between PWC Police and ICE.

    Good.

  26. Judy T. said on 27 Mar 2008 at 1:18 pm:
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    FYI –

    native born females have a fertility rate that bounces around 2 — some years 2.1 and others 1.9.

    legal immigrant females have a fertility rate of 2.8

    females who migrate illegally have a fertility rate of 3.8

    females who do not migrate have a fertility rate of less than 2.8/ if I remember correctly it is about 2.3. (I believe I picked these statistics up from the World Health Organization)

    So the best way to control population growth in the world (where are all the greenies when you need them) is to not allow women to migrate out of the country of their birth.

    The interesting statistic is that women who enter the US illegally have roughly 1.5 kids more than they would if they stayed in their country of birth.

    I guess when someone else (US taxpayer) is paying for your children’s healthcare, food, and education you don’t care how many kids you have.

  27. LBM said on 27 Mar 2008 at 1:53 pm:
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    @ Judy:

    Well, I think there is more to it than just not caring how many children they have, but your numbers do paint an interresting picture. If you have a link to those stats I would be very interrested in viewing it.

    If we focus on the Latino illegal community (for immigrants come from all over, but PWC isn’t faced with Tahitians Without Borders), the men and women from Latin American nations have a culture whereby birth control is frowned upon - either because of church influence (Catholic), or people who do use it are regarded as promiscuous. For women there is a real virgin-whore dichotomy. Either you’re a good woman who lives by the church and family and rearing children is what you do, or you’re a whore who sleeps around and has many children to prove such. It’s a lose-lose scenario. Their views on BC are also indicative of why there is a higher prevalence of HIV/AIDS transmission in Latino communities. Regardless of safety and health concerns, it just isn’t macho to use a rubber.

    Adding to this is the fact that a couple knows that by having a child here they are anchored into our nation - the US wouldn’t dare deport a mother and father leaving the child behind. Hence the term “anchor baby.” I’m not going to say that all illegals have anchor babies, or are all motivated to have kids upon arrival in the US. I would like to think that having a child is not something a person takes lightly and flippantly. I could not imagine bringing a child into this world, into a nation whereby your very own standing is questionable. But our system needs to be changed so that naturalization does not immediately occur upon birth. Plenty of other nations have limits on who becomes a citizen and deny citizenship to children of foreign-born nationals who just happen to be born in a country other than that of their parents’ citizenship. The US needs the same.

  28. Bob Wills said on 27 Mar 2008 at 5:29 pm:
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    LBM said on 27 Mar 2008 at 11:43 am:
    “LMB the place you lived paid RE Taxes and the income you paid to rent and that is what paid the RE Taxes it is not an extra cost such as utilites. Do you think that people who rent are not paying the cost of repairs and RE Taxes and Insurance in their rent ? You have a lot to learn about the economics of business but then maybe you believed that a 800 million dollar bond would be issued and their would be no increase in RE Taxes to pay the debt service? I hope you were not tricked into believing such a lie as put out by the BOCS.”

    Yes - ONE person paid RE taxes. As there was myself, the owner and another person renting a room, only the owner paid taxes. If I had a lease for a property in my own name I would have paid taxes. But since I didn’t, only 1 adult of 3 paid tax. Now, expand that scenario to a home renting out rooms to say…8 people. Again, Only the owner pays the RE tax. And those owners aren’t renting out to illegals out of the kindness of their hearts - they’re in it for profit. So the owner pays his base tax while many more people pay him and do not pay into the system from which they are using benefits. This isn’t rocket science.

    The person that the property is titled in pays the RE Taxes and it does not mater who rents or how many people are living in the property. The Property owner is the only one who can deduct the RE Taxes on their property even if the amount of Taxes is included in the total rent.

    LBM you obviously do not know the accounting or tax consequences of Rent for residential property and certainly nothing about rocket science.

  29. Bob Wills said on 27 Mar 2008 at 5:39 pm:
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    Bob Wills said
    You might have the idea that this country is run by the will of the pople not the Constitution.”

    LBM replied

    And you rely too heavily upon your crystal ball to gain insight into what I think. But do show me where in the constitution it is written on housing regulations. Those are local matters, matters that are decided upon by the will of the people as well as the local government.

    There is nothing in the Constitution about housing but it does set the basis of law for the country as does the Constitution of each State or Commenwealth.

    You state and believe that local matters are decided upon by the will of the people. That is very false as we no longer have segregation which was the will of the people. Lynch mobs hung people because that was the will of the people and that is illegal. The Constitution allows and protects each individual to have all the rights of all the rest of the people in the county. The only thing a majority of the people have a legal right to do is to elect representation in the governing bodies. The oath of office for elected officials is to the Constitution of the United Stated and to the Constitution of the State or laws of the Juristiction they represent. There is nothing in any oath as to representing the will of the people.

    Thee is no crystial ball in any of that nor rose colored glasses being used either that you might have.

  30. Bob Wills said on 27 Mar 2008 at 5:45 pm:
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    LMB there is no such legal thing as having a” legitimate beef” it is what is the law.

    O RLY? So CPS would have no basis for removing children from an overcrowded household? If neglect, malnourishment, abuse can be demonstrated from a child living in an overcrowded home you can bet your derierre that child will be removed, especially in one where the majority of residents are here illegally!

    Breaking a defined law as to abuse or neglect to one child or several children is not the same as ” having a legitimate beef”. One is based on fact and written law the neglect and abuse. Not likeing what some one is doing has not law execpt in your thinking. Thank good ness that CPS try and enforce and protect all children no matter who or where the parents come from.

  31. Bob Wills said on 27 Mar 2008 at 5:48 pm:
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    the US wouldn’t dare deport a mother and father leaving the child behind. Hence the term “

    LBM there are cases where this has and does happened and as in so many cases of life the children pay for the mistakes of the parents legal or other wise.

  32. Bob Wills said on 27 Mar 2008 at 5:50 pm:
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    Ted said on 27 Mar 2008 at 1:12 pm:
    Also from Lyall, words to the effect that the illegal immigrant community sees no difference between PWC Police and ICE.

    Good.

    Maybe we should fund Lyall from the BOCS personal funds a bit more and it can scare all illegals out of the county and is will not cost us much to get rid of them

  33. LBM said on 27 Mar 2008 at 7:40 pm:
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    The person that the property is titled in pays the RE Taxes and it does not mater who rents or how many people are living in the property. The Property owner is the only one who can deduct the RE Taxes on their property even if the amount of Taxes is included in the total rent.”

    Thank you for confirming what I said. Tennants do not pay the RE taxes - the landlords do. Renters don’t. Renters only pay rent. If a landlord ceases paying on his/her mortgage, yet the renters keep paying him/her rent - guess what, they still aren’t paying RE tax.

    “You state and believe that local matters are decided upon by the will of the people. That is very false as we no longer have segregation which was the will of the people. ”

    Apparantly not all the people - you know the blacks? There were some wite people too who opposed it. And if local matters aren’t decided upon the will of the people, how then do you explain what happened in PWC a few months ago? Seems to me the LEGAL residents of the US and PWC inflicted their will upon their representatives and local government to end handouts to illegals. People against the illegals also campaigned within tehir own communities to NOT do business with those who employed or supported illegals. People can accomplish a lot…I can cite dozens of campaigns initiated by the people and seen through by the people for their community.

    “The Constitution allows and protects each individual to have all the rights of all the rest of the people in the county.”

    The constitution protects Americans - not “all people in a county”

    “Breaking a defined law as to abuse or neglect to one child or several children is not the same as ” having a legitimate beef”.

    And you don’t think overcrowding is an issue of neglect and abuse? You have some rather odd standards of what is okay and not okay for children. DCS can assess a situation and in the case of overcrowding, unsanitary conditions, unstable adults the children can be removed from said premeses - all of which can be considered abuse and neglect. So while there may be no official number of children and adults allowed to live in a single family dwelling, if that dwelling demonstrates a danger to children who inhabit it those children could be removed. It’s fairly simple.

    “LBM there are cases where this has and does happened and as in so many cases of life the children pay for the mistakes of the parents legal or other wise.”

    I am aware of this, while it does happen it isn’t widespread. Hence the need to end the “born in the US = automatic citizenship.”

  34. Bob Wills said on 27 Mar 2008 at 9:42 pm:
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    “You state and believe that local matters are decided upon by the will of the people. That is very false as we no longer have segregation which was the will of the people. ”

    LBM said

    Apparantly not all the people - you know the blacks? There were some wite people too who opposed it. And if local matters aren’t decided upon the will of the people, how then do you explain what happened in PWC a few months ago? Seems to me the LEGAL residents of the US and PWC inflicted their will upon their representatives and local government to end handouts to illegals. People against the illegals also campaigned within tehir own communities to NOT do business with those who employed or supported illegals. People can accomplish a lot…I can cite dozens of campaigns initiated by the people and seen through by the people for their community.

    What you have given an example of is the right of people to choose where and what to do as to commerce but that is not law. To bad your BOCS does not give you the right to choose what dry cleaner you want to use for they have passed zoning laws that keep any other fixed price dry cleaners from opening in any commercial zoned property. I wonder if you asked people if they liked paying some 50 to 80% more for dry cleaning as the BOCS has taken away the American right of free enterprise. Your BOCS supervisors did not stop handouts if you read just what they could or could not stop. There were many things that people thought were being given away when it fact the existing law did stop this from happening not anything new.

    LDM what an insult to the Black citizens when you try and press the position that segregation was not the will of the people as Whites were the majority and that was what they wanted at that time. I guess that best defines your logic.

  35. LBM said on 28 Mar 2008 at 10:51 am:
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    “What you have given an example of is the right of people to choose where and what to do as to commerce but that is not law. To bad your BOCS does not give you the right to choose what dry cleaner you want to use for they have passed zoning laws that keep any other fixed price dry cleaners from opening in any commercial zoned property. ”

    What a moronic and irrelevant rant you have just made. Trying desperately to move away from your other equally moronic tirades that illegals DO pay RE taxes, national retail chains do give out SS numbers to illegals and such.

    Fact of the matter is, illegals don’t pay RE taxes unless they own the property. Illegals do not pay SS tax. Illegals do not pay state or federal income tax. Illegals do however use tax-payer funded services for their own benefits without giving back. I know this is an inconvenient reality someone like you has to face, you being sympathetic to their cause and all, but it is a fact. Illegals use more than they return.

    “LDM what an insult to the Black citizens when you try and press the position that segregation was not the will of the people as Whites were the majority and that was what they wanted at that time. I guess that best defines your logic.”

    Your ignorance of that era is dually noted. First, I do enjoy your ignoring of the fact that Blacks did make up part of the PEOPLE and had a say in whether they be treated equally or so, and from what I have seen from historical records Blacks were by no means in fewer numbers in the South. I also love how you cannot distinguish between equal rights for AMERICAN citizens was a NATIONAL issue - not a local one (local issues, where the topic of this thread in relation to PWC is grounded). But then again, you haven’t demonstrated you are consistent in your thinking, argumentation or logical carry through. The only thing you have done is demonstrate you are an excellent craftsman at strawmen - to be equally matched by your ability to tear them down at will.

    I am sure you do an excellent service to your illegal supporters running round and round in circles making irrelevant “points” to try and prove your position as the logical one. Fact is, from what I have seen here the only people who make any sense are those who recognize the fact that illegal aliens en masse drain an economy, return nothing to it and care nothing for it.

    So put up or shutup…show me how the illegals leaving PWC en masse is a bad thing for our economy, that these people pay anything other than sales tax or personal property tax for their vehicles. As we have seen, the schools are already saving money…

    Feh.

  36. Bob Wills said on 28 Mar 2008 at 2:06 pm:
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    LBM said

    Your ignorance of that era is dually noted. First, I do enjoy your ignoring of the fact that Blacks did make up part of the PEOPLE and had a say in whether they be treated equally or so, and from what I have seen from historical records Blacks were by no means in fewer numbers in the South. I also love how you cannot distinguish between equal rights for AMERICAN citizens was a NATIONAL issue - not a local one (local issues, where the topic of this thread in relation to PWC is grounded). But then again, you haven’t demonstrated you are consistent in your thinking, argumentation or logical carry through. The only thing you have done is demonstrate you are an excellent craftsman at strawmen - to be equally matched by your ability to tear them down at will.

    I admit your stupidty is unable to be toped. Your knowledge of the history of the civil rights movement in this county would be laughable if it were not such a terrible blight in this county’s history. You think that because Blacks were in the majority in population they had rights equal to the whites or even a say in what laws were past? There is no need to discuse thing futher with such a blind minded fool. The more you say the more evident it is that you have no concept of what honestly goes on in the real world.

    your coments to put up or shut up is such a childish attitude. At least I put my name where my comments are and not hide behind some initials.

    Have a wonderful day in your little world LBM

  37. LBM said on 28 Mar 2008 at 3:21 pm:
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    “You think that because Blacks were in the majority in population they had rights equal to the whites or even a say in what laws were past?”

    Obviously not, dummy - hence their movement to have things changed. But twas you who claimed they were in the minority and somehow outside the will of the people. But again, eloquent strawman. Love how you continuously dodge the topic at hand.

    And what does it matter if I use my real name to post or not? You using yours hasn’t done you any favors where your ridiculous statements are concerned. Again, another delicious red herring.

    But enough pandering to your red herrings… It’s obvious to me and anyone else with a brain who reads this you haven’t a leg to stand on, hence your repeated deflections to the issue at hand.

    Until you’re able to address the topic at hand and not wander off into irrelevant tangents, I wash my hands of you.

    TA -

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