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Chief Deane Must Go

By Greg L | 27 March 2008 | Prince William County | 74 Comments

Today’s joint community meeting with PWCPD Chief Charlie Deane and Mexican Consul Enrique Escorza is yet another in a series of disturbing attempts by foreign governments to intervene in the affairs of Prince William County and subvert local, state and federal laws.  In September 2006, El Salvador established a facility in Woodbridge to provide identity cards to their nationals in the United States who “lacked documentation”.  In July, 2007 the Mexican Consulate used the campus of Northern Virginia Community College to provide fraud-prone “matricula consular” cards to Mexican nationals who were similarly “document challenged”.  This recent attempt by the Mexican Consulate to intervene in the sovereign affairs of the United States adds a new dimension to this outrageous behavior in that a local government official has, without the slightest authorization, become complicit.  Indeed, some might characterize this behavior of Chief Deane as treason.

Tonight’s meeting is innocuous enough.  As part of the police department’s ongoing effort to combat a furious misinformation campaign by radical open borders advocates who have so far succeeded in terrorizing the immigrant community, the Department seeks to reach out yet again to explain what local law enforcement is actually doing in Prince William County.  The Mexican Consulate is participating in this event, making this a joint effort between the agent of a foreign government and the leader of a local law enforcement agency. It’s not entirely unheard of for a foreign consulate to have discussions with a local government, and under some circumstances this kind of contact is rather regular.  For example, if a foreign national is arrested it is a regular practice for the Consulate to be notified and provided with access to their citizen.

There’s a right way to do this, and a wrong way to do this however.  The right way for a foreign government to reach down to a local government in the United States is through the State Department, which is very familiar with the bilateral agreements the United States has with foreign governments, and the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, which is the basic framework that governs the behavior of embassies and consulates.  State Department officials know what is permitted under these agreements and will put a quick stop to efforts by a foreign government to act in impermissible ways. They can also deal with many of the concerns of a foreign nation so that relations are managed in a consistent and professional manner as well as relieving state and local governments of the need to manage diplomatic relations with foreign governments at local taxpayer expense.  For these reasons, it is absolutely wrong for a consulate to directly contact local government officials without the knowledge of the State Department, and wrong for local elected officials to deal directly with agents of a foreign government outside of the established regular framework that manages activities permitted under the Vienna Convention.

The Vienna Convention does not permit a foreign government to weigh in on the policies and laws that Prince William County adopts, other than to register their concerns with the State Department.  Nor does it permit foreign governments to weigh in on how these policies and laws are implemented.  As before, the proper route for those concerns runs through Foggy Bottom, not the Headquarters of the Prince William County Police Department.  If Mexico had followed this mandated procedure, something important would have happened here that has not: the Prince William Board of County Supervisors would have been aware of what is going on.  Until reporters started calling Supervisors for comment the day before the joint meeting with the Consulate and Chief Deane, they had no idea this was happening.

When the Mexican Government got the bright idea to send a delegation to Prince William County to lecture us on civil rights in October, our elected officials swiftly and unequivocally denounced this outrage, and forced the Mexican government to cancel the visit.  Chief Deane was certainly aware of this, and had no doubt in his mind that had he gone to the Board of Supervisors and told them that he intended to enter into discussions with the Mexican Government, they would have rightly shot that idea down in an instant.  Prince William County already has enough problems with Mexico’s deliberate attempts to increase the number of illegal aliens unlawfully residing in the United States, and their “assistance” in local law enforcement efforts designed to counter Mexico’s outrageous behavior is absolutely unwanted.

So instead of asking, knowing that the answer wouldn’t be the one he wanted, Chief Deane secretly entered into discussions with the Mexican Consulate without even the knowledge of the Board of Supervisors.  Joint appearances between the Chief of the Prince William County Police Department and the Mexican Consul don’t just magically happen.  These things take coordination and time.  It’s quite possible that the discussions between Deane and representatives of the Mexican Government have been ongoing for months, and Deane has been engaging in what amounts to secret diplomatic negotiations with a foreign government whose interests are clearly at odds with our elected officials and the citizens in Prince William County.

The Government of Mexico has been willfully attempting to undermine the enforcement of federal law in the United States.  Their provision of guides to their citizens on how to unlawfully cross our borders and evade the Border Patrol is a hostile act of guerrilla warfare.  The frequent incursion of armed federales and Mexican Soldiers into U.S. territory in order to provide security for drug runners is a hostile act of open warfare.  In order to protect remittances from the U.S., which constitute the second-largest source of national income for Mexico, the Government of Mexico has regularly attempted to inject itself into the legislative process in the United States and influence what laws are passed, which borders on an espionage effort.  Collaboration by U.S. citizens with such activities is a very serious matter.

Depending on what actually results from such unauthorized activity with the agents of a foreign government, the legal classification for such activity, provided it harms the national interests of the United States, is treason or sedition.  The maximum penalty for treason under federal law is execution.  It is virtually certain that the activities of Chief Deane were not intended, nor did they significantly harm the national security of the United States, making such a prosecution for treason absolutely unwarranted.  Nevertheless his actions are a breach of public trust, a clear violation of his powers and authority, and absolutely a clear reason why Deane’s resignation must be demanded.

Chief Deane has attempted to subvert the will of the Board of County Supervisors at every opportunity, but has always tried to stay within the limits of acceptable behavior.  Conducting secret negotiations with a foreign government that is openly hostile to the interests of the residents of Prince William County and the citizens of the United States strays tremendously far outside of these limits.  Should his behavior also give reasonable cause to believe a violation of the law has occurred, Deane’s activities should be subject to an immediate investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.  The Chief is not above the law, nor is he above the authority of the Board of County Supervisors, who he has clearly challenged here.

It is time for Chief Deane to go.



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74 Comments

  1. legal2 said on 27 Mar 2008 at 4:29 pm:
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    Why in the world would Cheat Deane or accomplices want to comply with the law now? They’ve circumvented laws for so long now, it’s a habit.

  2. starryflights said on 27 Mar 2008 at 4:34 pm:
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    I agree. It’s time for Deane to go.

  3. El Lobo said on 27 Mar 2008 at 4:53 pm:
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    Deane is NO law enforcement chief. He is another POLITICIAN whose motives are to stay in office even if it means caving in to the corrupt Mexican government. Deane is an ILLEGAL alien apologist who has NO COJONES to stand up to and ENFORCE the RULE of LAW. Mr. Deane YOU MUST GO….NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PWC BOCS GET DEANE OUT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  4. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 27 Mar 2008 at 5:00 pm:
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    Has an agenda been released as to what is going to be discussed? How do we know this isn’t just an outreach program and the consul is there are a sow of support? I will reserve judgment until I have all of the facts on this one. I know I said he must be released before, but I am looking back at it and wondering what is actually going on here. If it is a community outreach program, I have no quarrel with the Chief doing that. If it is something else, well that is a different story and should be dealt with accordingly. I will wait until the meeting has happened before I get my panties in a twist.

  5. Lafayette said on 27 Mar 2008 at 5:15 pm:
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    Medic,
    I’ve always reserved my comments for the most part when it comes to the Chief. I for one think it’s important for the information to be given by a COUNTY OFFICIAL. I don’t understand the need for the the Mexican Consul to be here.
    A rational approach is needed, and we can’t be so quick to jump the gun here.

  6. Timothy Watson said on 27 Mar 2008 at 5:19 pm:
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    Alleged Illegal Immigrant Accused Of Raping 4-Year-Old:
    http://www.nbc4.com/news/15725315/detail.html?rss=dc&psp=news

  7. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 27 Mar 2008 at 5:21 pm:
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    Lafayette said on 27 Mar 2008 at 5:15 pm:

    I agree, cooler heads need to be put on here. Without knowing exactly what is going on, it is hard to get excited about it. I am treating this just like I did the Colgan bills, I am not going to get too excited about it until I see what the action is. At that time I can direct my attention and focus to the proper channel.

  8. Krutis said on 27 Mar 2008 at 5:31 pm:
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    Way to go, Medic64!!!!

  9. Lafayette said on 27 Mar 2008 at 5:41 pm:
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    Timothy,
    I just saw that. DISGUSTING!!!

    Mr. Medic,
    Cool, calm and collected here. ;)

  10. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 27 Mar 2008 at 5:49 pm:
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    Lafayette said on 27 Mar 2008 at 5:41 pm:

    COOL!!! :)

    Remember to bring your ideas to the meeting Saturday!!

  11. Lafayette said on 27 Mar 2008 at 5:52 pm:
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    /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 27 Mar 2008 at 5:49 pm:
    Fear not. We’ll be well prepared.

  12. Bob Wills said on 27 Mar 2008 at 6:02 pm:
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    Tonight’s meeting is innocuous enough. As part of the police department’s ongoing effort to combat a furious misinformation campaign by radical open borders advocates who have so far succeeded in terrorizing the immigrant community, the Department seeks to reach out yet again to explain what local law enforcement is actually doing in Prince William County.

    Why are we trying to correct the information being put out by the radical open borders advocate? Let them say what they want and the more people they get to leave PWC the better. Dean and the police department should do what they say about no profileing in stopping people and let the facts and actions speak for themselves. Rampent lies are just about impossible to stop so why spend the time and money to try and do so.

    I totaly agree with Greg in that the State Department and such should be involved and we should be going thru any meeting with foreign governments need to be approved by them. The BOCS could have stopped the meeting if they wanted to so why did they not stop it?

  13. es_la_ley said on 27 Mar 2008 at 6:24 pm:
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    /\/\3|)iç 64, Lafayette:

    I’ll jump in your boat on this one.

    The Mexican Consul and Chief Deane aside, if this is “outreach” to assuage LEGAL immigrants’ fears of them being targeted by the ROL resolution, then I don’t see the harm.

    I don’t like the Consul’s involvement. I think it’s an intimidation tactic and I smell a rat. But I’ll wait to see what comes out in the wash.

  14. es_la_ley said on 27 Mar 2008 at 6:30 pm:
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    /\/\3|)iç 64:

    I will wait until the meeting has happened before I get my panties in a twist.

    Of all the metaphors to use! :)

  15. concerned taxpayer said on 27 Mar 2008 at 6:51 pm:
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    This is ridculous. It appears all the rebel rousers knew about this meeting. But not the Tax Payers of this County. Come on,how can this be an outreach? Why wasn’t it held at the McCoart Bldg??
    No matter the reason, we don’t need the Mexican Consul here. This is giving the Mexican w/o Borders and the others just more info to tell all the lies to the illegals.If anyone thinks Nancy Lyall,Lydia Gonzales,that guy who makes me sick and all the others will do anything but use the Chief to further their cause.

    It’s time to get rid of the multi-culture people we have here. They all seem to be against us. They do not behave this way in other areas. So guess we got all the kooks.

  16. starryflights said on 27 Mar 2008 at 6:55 pm:
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    I am guessing that this meeting and the previous ones were well advertised (probably on the Spanish TV channels and the Spanish radio channels). The rest of us the don’t speak Spanish were not well informed. Talk about catering to the illegal aliens.

  17. SaveAmerica said on 27 Mar 2008 at 6:57 pm:
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    How does anyone here NOT know that the meeting was/is an Outreach meeting that was already scheduled prior to the Mexican Consul inviting himself or choosing to show up without the County’s prior knowledge. The police department issued a press release today showing that the Chief or his representatives attended over 30 meetings in this outreach program. This includes meeting with MWB as well as with Help Save Manassas. So if the same material is covered in tonight’s meeting as was covered with Help Save Manassas and MWB, where is the problem?

    By the way, where is the County expense in this meeting? The Chief is on salary so he doesn’t get anything extra and the building is NOT rented by the County. So, I ask you, where exactly is the financial cost to the County?

  18. Lafayette said on 27 Mar 2008 at 7:04 pm:
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    Channel 23 has been airing Chief Deane explaining the new immigration policy. This too is “outreach”. I can’t imagine the Chief will be telling them something completely different than he’s already said to other groups. The McCoart Building more than likely couldn’t handle a crowd that size.

  19. AWCheney said on 27 Mar 2008 at 7:37 pm:
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    So that’s why they’re meeting in a mini-mart???

  20. Anonymous said on 27 Mar 2008 at 7:37 pm:
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    Question for all you PWC county experts:

    Does the PWC Board of Supervisors have the authority to fire the Police Chief?

  21. Lafayette said on 27 Mar 2008 at 7:43 pm:
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    AWC,
    If it’s the place I think it is. It’s about the size of the Yorkshire Market. I think that could hold more than McCoart Building. IMHO

  22. Joe Blow said on 27 Mar 2008 at 8:01 pm:
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    Treason? Hostile power? Aren’t you getting a little crazy on us here? Maybe a little too much caffeine?

  23. Greg L said on 27 Mar 2008 at 8:06 pm:
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    Why do I care if the radical illegal alien lobby misrepresents what is happening here in order to spread terror in the larger immigrant community? Because anything that causes unwarranted fear is going to be blamed on those of us who have been acting responsibly here, and used as a means to smear those who support the rule of law as racists.

    It is actually an interesting tactic — create panic in the entire immigrant community, and then blame the citizens for creating an environment of fear that is supposedly the aim of racists that was actually generated by the ones making the claims of racism. They create a condition, then blame it on us, saying it’s proof we’re racists. There doesn’t have to be racism, because the illegal alien lobby can make it up.

    More fundamentally, it is important that those who support the rule of law do their very best to keep their statements factual. We don’t need to make stuff up, because the truth itself is wholly convincing. We don’t need to misrepresent what the rule of law resolution is, just talk about the actual results. Illegal aliens will see what happens, and figure the same could happen to them. That’s all that’s needed.

  24. Greg L said on 27 Mar 2008 at 8:09 pm:
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    Regarding who can fire the Chief, that depends on the contract the county has with Deane. Undoubtedly there’s a provision in that contract which would allow the BOCS to fire him for insubordination, failure to comply with policy, or other actions that would constitute “good cause”. I do not believe he would be an “at will” employee even if there was no contract due to his long tenure with the county, so in general there would have to be a defensible reason for firing him.

    Conducting secret meetings with agents of a foreign government would most certainly qualify.

  25. starryflights said on 27 Mar 2008 at 8:21 pm:
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    Has anyone confirmed whether or not the BOCS knew about Deane’s meetings with Mexican Government Officials?

  26. monticup said on 27 Mar 2008 at 8:22 pm:
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    Es_la_ley: I think you’re right–it was an intimidation tactic. A show of force.

    Fire Deane pronto! Let him go to Arlington County with his grovelling ways.

  27. Enough is Enough said on 27 Mar 2008 at 8:39 pm:
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    Save America. Since you knew there was a press release you must be one of Charlie’s top guys.
    “The Chief is on salary so he doesn’t get anything extra and the building is NOT rented by the County. So, I ask you, where exactly is the financial cost to the County?”
    Are we supposed to feel bad for the 6 figure Chief who decided ON HIS OWN to call this meeting at 7pm. Give me a break! His meeting, his idea, his stupidity.
    You must need to protect Deane so you stay employed too.
    Deane got rid of a lot of good cops for “insubordination, failure to comply with policy” so now I think turn around should be fair play.

  28. Anonymous said on 27 Mar 2008 at 8:40 pm:
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    Does anyone have an update on what happened?

  29. monticup said on 27 Mar 2008 at 8:46 pm:
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    I already told you the cost to the county. Deane’s ego trip diplomatic overtures took him away from the legitimate activities he is being paid to do. There needs to be an investigation. He is subverting the law–which he is sworn to uphold!

  30. BattleCat said on 27 Mar 2008 at 8:46 pm:
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    Time for you to go, Deane! I cannot see any circumstance under which meeting with Mexican Government officials for the purposes of comforting law-breakers here in this county does not cost the Chief of Police his job. Deane forgets who it is his privilege to serve.

  31. jfk said on 27 Mar 2008 at 8:48 pm:
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    Why would the Mexican Consulate need to come in to calm the anxiety of American citizens!!!!! While I appreciate the attempt at keeping an open mind, let’s be real. The consulate is coming here to throw their weight around and try to influence law enforcement , as well as show illegals that are still here that the consulate is keeping an eye on things.

    The consulate is at this meeting to assuage the fears of their citizens who are here illegally, so that they will keep the dollars flowing across the border.

    Mr. Dean needs to go because of the lackluster approach he has taken to enforcing the policy. If he doesn’t want to do the job, let’s find someone who will.

  32. Dolph said on 27 Mar 2008 at 9:05 pm:
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    I knew of a press release and I am not an employee of Chief Deane.

    I seriously doubt Chief Deane is going to say anything he hasn’t said on Channel 23. Lafayette is correct. It should be in Spanish also. He explains what the police will and will not do in the community. If there are groups stirring up fears, then it seems to me that this is the best way to dispel those fears.

    Chief Deane has not cow-towed to special interest groups. He continues to act as though he is Chief of Police to everyone in the county. Good for Chief Deane.

  33. Greg L said on 27 Mar 2008 at 9:07 pm:
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    Regarding whether the BOCS was aware of this:

    I’ve gotten a bunch of emails forwarded to me where Supervisors have responded to constituents. So far I’ve seen responses from Marty Nohe, John Jenkins, Frank Principi, Corey Stewart and John Stirrup. All of them are saying that they were unaware of any contacts between Deane and the Mexican Consul until this week, which is the same time when reporters started calling them about this.

  34. starryflights said on 27 Mar 2008 at 9:25 pm:
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    So, are the BOCS upset about this? What do they plan to do about it, if anything? I look forward to hearing more information about their reactions and future actions having to do with Deane’s meetings with Mexican Foreign Officials. I emailed them all and have only gotten 2 responses…Nohe and Principi. Neither one said they were unaware of these meetings.

  35. Saveamerica said on 27 Mar 2008 at 9:33 pm:
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    Hey Enough is Enough, I got the press release the old fashioned way - I read. Try it some time, you’d like it. Check the website for the police department.

    Thank you Dolph for backing me up.

    Change your screen name Good Time Charlie?

  36. Bob Wills said on 27 Mar 2008 at 10:05 pm:
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    Greg Said

    “Why do I care if the radical illegal alien lobby misrepresents what is happening here in order to spread terror in the larger immigrant community? Because anything that causes unwarranted fear is going to be blamed on those of us who have been acting responsibly here, and used as a means to smear those who support the rule of law as racists.”

    Greg you need to have THICK skin and if you do the legal and correct thing then that is all that matters. If you think that you will ever change the minds of those who have fear from the lies of others you are mistaken. You have lead a group of people who make no bones about they want. They want Not only the illegals out but anyone who does business with them out of PWC. Fine if you want to create the fear to get rid of them. Remember these people come from countries where the police or laws mean nothing and they do fear the police for valid reasons for they have no rights. That does not mean they can just come to this country illegaly either. Mexico is corupt for sure. The drug problems and the gangs who deal in drugs would not exist were it nor for the market for drug sales to Americans.

    Your articles seem to say that ALL contractors only hire illegals. What about the Home owners who want only the lowest price no matter what and pay cash for the work. I know contractors who run totaly correct business but time after time they do not get the job because some one comes in much lower. They know the prices the home owner accepted will not get the job done. In a few weeks or a month or so the home owner is calling the real contractor to ask what it will cost to come in and fix the mess they have. Then they want to know why it is now more then the orginial bid because you have to tear everything out and start all over.

    If all the illegals leave PWC then those who lie about what is going on will have no one to talk to and that should be fine with you.

    Look at our politicians who have said from some 30 years that Proffers will solve the Capital Improvment problems on the counties. Well in 30 years it has not and it never will. One of these days maybe the public will realize the lies being told to them for those who want to get elected and do not care about solving problems. Maybe not.

    It is actually an interesting tactic — create panic in the entire immigrant community, and then blame the citizens for creating an environment of fear that is supposedly the aim of racists that was actually generated by the ones making the claims of racism. They create a condition, then blame it on us, saying it’s proof we’re racists. There doesn’t have to be racism, because the illegal alien lobby can make it up.

    I say keep it up and they might shoot themselves higer up then their foot.

  37. Rick Bentley said on 27 Mar 2008 at 10:22 pm:
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    Well stated Greg. Deane must go.

  38. Advocator said on 27 Mar 2008 at 10:31 pm:
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    I do not think there’s anything inherently wrong with the Chief reaching out to a specific minority in the community for discourse. I don’t thing there’s anything inherently wrong with him talking to, or listening to, a foreign diplomat, a foreign politician, or the man in the moon, if he has that communication capability. Unless there’s some evidence of illegal activity, or indication that he’s intentionally subverting the will of the Supervisors, we’re barking up the wrong tree here. Better to focus efforts elsewhere.

  39. Vigilant1 said on 27 Mar 2008 at 10:38 pm:
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    The crux of this whole situation is WERE THE BOCS AWARE OF THIS MEETING WITH THE MEXICAN CONSUL AND IF SO, WHEN DID THEY BECOME AWARE OF IT AND DID THEY GIVE THEIR APPROVAL? Until those questions are answered (by the BOCS) it is all speculation. WE NEED ANSWERS!

  40. Rick Bentley said on 27 Mar 2008 at 10:42 pm:
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    Advocator, there’s nowhere better to focus efforts. Deane constantly undercuts efforts on our part to uphold law. He is and has been a big part of the problem here. And now he’s stepped further over the line than any police chief has a right to. Even one as spit-shined and full of himself as Deane, a pompous buffoon to end all pompous buffoons.

  41. Advocator said on 27 Mar 2008 at 10:50 pm:
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    Well, Rick, show me the bona fides, and then we can focus resources. Until you’ve got more on him than a dislike for the cut of his jib sail, all we’ve got going on is a rabble rousing witch hunt. As for Vigilant’s framing of the issue, I don’t think it matters what the BOCS were aware of. The man can talk to anyone he chooses, with or without the BOCS’ approval. Until there’s some indication that the substance of this “meeting” was unlawful, or contrary to some policy, best to back off and give the guy more rope and see if he loops it around his neck.

  42. Patty said on 27 Mar 2008 at 10:54 pm:
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    This goes back to my original question. Who works for who? Does the Chief of Police work for the BOCS or does the BOCS work for the Chief of Police? I still think he overstepped his authority. I agree with the previous post. Proper protocols should have been followed. There should not be any meetings with officials from foreign governments unless the State Department is involved.

  43. Dolph said on 27 Mar 2008 at 11:00 pm:
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    Most people at Chief Deane’s level are not micro-managed by 8 people. He certainly doesn’t need to ask permission to speak to anyone.

    Advocator, occassionally it happens. I agree with you. Must be our mutual admiration for the Equestrian Unit.

  44. Patty said on 27 Mar 2008 at 11:09 pm:
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    Oh, so the Chief answers to no one. Shall we then call him Dictator Deane. Somebody better tell the BOCS that they need to bow the knee to Chief Deane.

  45. Bryanna said on 28 Mar 2008 at 12:05 am:
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    Maureen Caddigan is correct in stating that Deane reports to the County Executive. Stirrup is right about undermining the Boards efforts. Chairman Stewart asked excellent questions and someone needs to answer them.

    The Board needs to fire Gerhardt and Deane.

    Nohe, Jenkins and Principi don’t deserve to be in elected office. Nohe’s response is ignorant and reeks of corrupt leadership in government. Nohe must go.

    GREAT job GREG!

  46. Enough is Enough said on 28 Mar 2008 at 8:28 am:
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    Save America

    You continue to think that there must be only one person with a distaste for Deane. No, I am not Good Time Charlie but I would love to know who he is also, appears that we have some things in common.
    Stick to the blog at hand and not to trying to figure out who is it that doesn’t think Charlie Deane is the next best thing since sliced bread. There are not too many out there that think otherwise.
    BY the way, last time I am evening going to waste my breath on you. This middle school finger pointing isn’t very entertaining.

  47. The Patriot (Got E-Verify?) said on 28 Mar 2008 at 8:52 am:
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    Let’s just stick to the FACTS…shall we:
    1. We know that the Mexican government condones illegal immigration…..they get lots of money sent back home. They do not want the U.S. to crack down on illegal aliens…this is published information!
    2. We know that Mexicans without Borders condones illegal immigration….just look at their name and their public message….they do not want crack downs on illegal aliens.
    3. PWC has a MAJOR problem with illegal aliens and legal residents who “aid and abet” and we are starting to make progress in cracking down on illegal aliens in our communities. The opposition does not like this!
    Out of our ENTIRE country….our county gets singled out by the Mexican Consul to have an “outreach” meeting??? Get real! There is an AGENDA behind all of this! Fear in the community is the message that the opposition says? Of course! CRIMINALS SHOULD BE FEARFUL! Who are the criminals? Illegal aliens and the legal residents who “aid and abet”! There is nothing to discuss! The hispanics are the PRIMARY perps with regard to illegal immigration ALL AROUND OUR NATION! Of course they are going to want us to back down!!!!!! Let’s stick to the FACTS and the FACTS ONLY!

  48. monticup said on 28 Mar 2008 at 9:48 am:
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    Deane’s job is not to “reach out”. People can go to social service agencies or charities if they want to be reached out to.

    Deane’s job is chief law enforcement officer. He’s supposed to be enforcing the laws and HE’S NOT DOING HIS JOB.

    It’s called the dumbing down of police work.

  49. park'd said on 28 Mar 2008 at 10:27 am:
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    ^—What he said

  50. Dolph said on 28 Mar 2008 at 10:42 am:
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    Chief Deane was directed to do community outreach education on the resolution. He has met with many groups in the community. What do you suppose would happen if he refused to meet with a Mexican group after being requested to do so? Do I smell a potential lawsuit? sniff sniff

    Public officials cannot publically favor one group over another.

  51. park'd said on 28 Mar 2008 at 11:03 am:
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    # Dolph said on 28 Mar 2008 at 10:42 am:

    Chief Deane was directed to do community outreach education on the resolution. He has met with many groups in the community. What do you suppose would happen if he refused to meet with a Mexican group after being requested to do so? Do I smell a potential lawsuit? sniff sniff

    Public officials cannot publically favor one group over another.

    Group?? We are talking about a foreign national here unsanctioned by the US State Department. This is not a group. This is a foreign government looking to usurp American sovereignty. The fact that they did the two-step around the State Department tells me all that I need to know. It’s illegal, unethical and treasonous. If Mr. Deane were meeting with a Hispanic Church Association without a member of a foreign government being represented in order to assuage their community over the resolution then I could care less. It gives me the major willies to think that some goon from the corrupt Mexican government (who is no doubt a member of the elite 1% of the upper class there that controls 99% of the wealth) is here talking to our Chief of Police with regard to what our country and our county have done to rid themselves of the deluge of his poor, uneducated masses. The only thing I want to hear from this guy’s mouth is what kind of reparations his government plans to give to PWC for taking care of his country’s poorest citizens for the better part of a decade.

  52. Dolph said on 28 Mar 2008 at 2:31 pm:
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    park’d,

    I guess the only response I have to you is that I am glad that I am not paranoid. I hardly think the man I saw on tv last night was planning a take over. Some of you folks must dream that you see little tiny Mexicans crawling out from under every rock each and every night.

    I don’t always have to see an enemy. I like to save all this energy for people who really deserve it, like child rapists, regardless of their ethnicity.

  53. Anonymous said on 28 Mar 2008 at 2:42 pm:
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    Some of you folks must dream that you see little tiny Mexicans crawling out from under every rock each and every night.

    Well, not every rock.

  54. Anonymous said on 28 Mar 2008 at 2:43 pm:
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    Dolph said on 28 Mar 2008 at 2:31 pm:
    Some of you folks must dream that you see little tiny Mexicans crawling out from under every rock each and every night.

  55. park'd said on 28 Mar 2008 at 5:28 pm:
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    Dolph: What does paranoia have to do with this? I didn’t understand a word of what you wrote and how it relates to the facts in my post. It’s about right and wrong. Paranoia has nothing to do with it. Your post seems like a cop out to me. All you have to do is ask yourself if this type of behavior would be tolerated in Mexico and the immediate answer to that is NO. Countries don’t take kindly to foreign nationals sneaking in to coordinate meetings with low level county officials on how to better prepare their illegal Mexican citizens for immigration enforcement(which is WAYYYY overdue). Wars have been started in the past over things like this, although thankfully we have evolved past that now in this part of the world. In my world there is right and there is wrong. There are shades of wrong, but if you’re in the wrong and you keep doing what’s wrong then you have to expect at some point that you will be caught and punished. Deane’s job is not to explain to criminals what they need to know in order NOT to be caught. His job is to catch criminals. PERIOD. This is way out of line and anyone with half a brain knows it and can see it. It’s the people that can’t see it that enables him to get away with this ‘I don’t answer to anyone’ type of crap.

  56. Dolph said on 28 Mar 2008 at 5:45 pm:
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    Park’d,

    I think when there is always an enemy, then that denotes a certain amount of paranoia. And I am speaking more in general rather than directly at you. It just seems that on this blog, the general tone is to dislike someone and to try to oust both appointed and elected officials. The only officials that apparently get a pass here are Mr. Stirrup and Mr. Stewart. Everyone else is the object of criticism and ridicule.

    There has been absolutely no proof that Chief Deane has done anything wrong. He was directed by the BOCS to educate the community. The community includes both legal and illegal residents. He needs to tell them all. As a citizen of this county for many years, I give him my full support until I have legitimate reason to do otherwise. I don’t operate on rumor and innuendo. It is very important to me that every word that I write or speak be true, as far as I know it. To me, that is a type of honesty that speaks to my character.

  57. CitizenofManassas said on 28 Mar 2008 at 7:34 pm:
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    Dolph,

    When does a foreign Government constitute a member of the Community?

  58. Dolph said on 28 Mar 2008 at 8:34 pm:
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    COM,

    I don’t know. How about explaining the connection to me. Point A to Point F. I am just not connecting the dots here.

  59. CitizenofManassas said on 28 Mar 2008 at 8:47 pm:
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    Dolph,

    So, you don’t see a problem with a foreign government meddling in our local affairs?

    Or, do you not think it is odd that Deane, who is only doing the program because his bosses want it, would team up with a foreign Government that is very open about wanting to break down any immigration law that we have.

    Really, just come and say you support illegals, because if you do not think there is an attempt to undermine the program by the Mexican Government, I have a bridge to sell you.

  60. Dolph said on 28 Mar 2008 at 9:37 pm:
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    COM,

    Nice dodge. Tell me exactly what CHIEF Deane did wrong. You are apparently in the know. Keep your bridge, because you don’t have the facts.

  61. usmcwife said on 29 Mar 2008 at 12:07 am:
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    How does one begin a recall or the process of removing Deane?
    I will never forget in 2002 when I called to complain about the day laborers that were sexually taunting and harassing the teenage girls in our neighborhood (one of whom was my daughter) waiting at the bus stop for the school bus in the early, dark winter mornings. I was told it was “their culture” and I should “just get used to it”. Errr…I am also an immigrant and do not think I have the right to supplant basic human and civil rights by whatever “cultural” experiences I have. So we ended up driving them to school in the mornings and I continue to seeth that “enforcement” has always been one sided, and not for the benefit of the taxpayers who pay his salary.

    So yes…Deane has got to go…the sooner the better.

  62. CitizenofManassas said on 29 Mar 2008 at 12:44 am:
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    Dolph,

    He met with officials from a foreign Government, when he clearly is not in a position to do so. Again, if you do not have a problem with this, you really should stop all the stupid games you are playing and just be proud of your support of illegals.

  63. CitizenofManassas said on 29 Mar 2008 at 12:45 am:
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    Dolph,

    By the way, you are the only one dodging. Answer my questions.

  64. Dolph said on 29 Mar 2008 at 1:25 am:
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    COM,

    You sure like to use the word ’stupid’ don’t you?

    You still haven’t told me what Chief did wrong, in your eyes. Anyone could ‘me(e)t with officials from a foreign Government.’ What is done during that meeting seems to be the crux of the matter. Those who attended the info-session indicated that Chief pretty much delivered his usual message that we have all seen on tv or at other gatherings. I see nothing wrong with that at all.

    How you folks over in Manassas doing with that sign of yours? I saw that your property owner was at that meeting getting all wised up by Chief. How about keeping him home? You city folks seem to have your hands full with that sign. I don’t know how you are finding time to worry about our COP.

  65. Had Enough said on 29 Mar 2008 at 8:58 am:
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    Why is this so difficult to understand? This is the equivalent of Barney Fife meeting with representatives of the Mexican government. Does that help?

    Chief Deane’s time is up. He obviously doesn’t understand that people are wising up to his back-door dealings.

    I say Jim Fotis for new PWC Chief of Police!!

  66. citizenofManassas said on 29 Mar 2008 at 12:44 pm:
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    Dolph,

    You simply are amazing, you still see nothing wrong with a Foreign Government attempting to undermine the rule of law in the County. Again, why don’t you just come out and admit your support for the illegals.

    You see nothing wrong with a police chief who supports criminals(illegals) namely that rapist that was just busted this week, meeting with a Government that also supports criminals. If left to pro criminal Deane, the rapist would be allowed back on the streets of PW County after his prison sentence. Yup that makes for a good policy.

    The sign is in response to what the County is doing. Stop trying to change the topic.

  67. Dolph said on 30 Mar 2008 at 2:44 pm:
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    CoM,

    Are you delusional? Where are you getting this from? Why would a person who has dedicated their entire life to law enforcement want to let rapists go free? Why would you suggest that Chief Deane is pro-criminal?

    You aren’t making sense. You are reading consipiracy theories and regurgitating untruths.

    CoM, I don’t support illegal aliens being in this country. However, they are here, and they have been here. We must have realistic ways to deal with it.
    They deserve to be treated as human beings.

  68. CitizenofManassas said on 30 Mar 2008 at 6:06 pm:
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    Dolph,

    Deane was against this program from the start, and only went along with it because the BOS voted for the program. If left to Deane the illegals would still be running free in the County. That is why I say he is pro criminal. If as you say he is dedicated to law enforcement, why should he not want to do everything to keep dangerous criminals off the street? Instead, he seems to be pretty selective and not wanting to piss off certain segments of the population, namely the illegals. Go back and read some of what he said leading up to the debate of the ordinance, hardly the talk of someone who is dedicated to law enforcement.

    Sure, they deserve to be treated like humans, but how is making sure they are deported not treating them like humans? How is making them pay for their crimes not treating them like humans?

  69. Dolph said on 31 Mar 2008 at 4:12 am:
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    CoM,

    Chief Deane voiced his concerns. He ‘went along with it’ because it was his job to do so. I don’t think any of us know how he really feels about it, nor should we know. He is professional and does what he is directed to do by his boss, the CXO.

    Now….over here in the county, I have noticed people I bet are illegal running free. Does that mean that Chief Deane hasn’t done his job? I can assure you, they haven’t been over here ’rounding up illegals.’ That wasn’t part of the resolution.

    I guess its a good thing that you have Chief Skinner and I have Chief Deane. That makes us both happy.

  70. CitizenofManassas said on 31 Mar 2008 at 10:39 am:
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    Dolph,

    Voiced his concerns, yes and made the County look very badly in the process by using the same language as MWB and other pro illegal folks. His concerns were to not do the program, which, is to say he did not want to go after the illegals once they had contact with law enforcement. We know exactly how he feels, because he is on record as being opposed to the program.

    It is very simple, if you just admit you and he are wrong on this issue. I suppose though, you just will keep making excuses for Deane.

    Skinner can be blamed too, see how easy it is….

  71. Dolph said on 31 Mar 2008 at 11:39 am:
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    CoM,

    I don’t try to find fault with everyone. I don’t agree with everything Chief Deane says or does. Howevaaaaaaa….I also don’t operate on rumor and innuendo. He should have voiced his professional opinion about how crackdowns, such as the one being proposed, impacts communities. I know he based his opinions on solid LEO data rather than just on his opinion.

    As I said, you keep Chief Skinner on the straight and narrow and I will try to work on Chief Deane. You don’t even have to like Chief Skinner.

  72. CitizenofManassas said on 31 Mar 2008 at 3:56 pm:
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    Dolph,

    You still do not get it, it is not rumor or innuendo that he did not support the program since it is on record he did not support it. He used some pretty offensive language as well when voicing his opinion about the program, is that based on LEO data? Or, just his opinion?

  73. Dolph said on 31 Mar 2008 at 4:20 pm:
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    CoM,

    You and I are both reading something different from the same person’s words. He had concerns over the program. He voiced them. He never said he would not do it. Have you not ever had concerns over something you ended up doing?

    I have not heard offensive language. Perhaps my threshold is higher.
    I really am not too interested in how he used to feel. I am concerned over what he is doing. He stayed rather than looking for another job. That, to me, means that he is willing to do what is required.

    We are never going to agree on this issue. There really is no point in discussing it further. You may have the last word. I support Chief Deane unless I have a serious reason not to. In 25 plus years, he has not given me a reason to not support him. He is a professional LEO.

  74. CitizenofManassas said on 31 Mar 2008 at 9:23 pm:
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    Dolph,

    Of course you want to drop it now that I have poked holes in every response you attempted.

    Again, if it was up to him, his department would not have enacted the program. That is all we need to know. Lets also not forgot his “compromise” with the illegals and the loitering at the 7-11 on route 1. But, he is for the rule of law and wants to remove criminals. Yup, he sure is a good cop.

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