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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Diplomat Deane&#8221; Meets With A Dozen Foreign Agents</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/</link>
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		<title>By: CitizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-60150</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-60150</guid>
		<description>AW,

There are plenty of examples were law enforcement officers and or chiefs, and even sheriffs have exercised their powers to go after illegals without having to be asked or ordered to do so by the local Governments.   

It is not as if the illegal alien issue has only cropped up in the last year.  

Recall the  7-11 compromise the department did with the ACLU and other illegal alien supporters.  Surely Deane had a say in that.  

The facts I refer to are that Deane was not for the program.  Deane had not taken a hard stance on illegals before the program.   If it was left to him the department would not have started the program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AW,</p>
<p>There are plenty of examples were law enforcement officers and or chiefs, and even sheriffs have exercised their powers to go after illegals without having to be asked or ordered to do so by the local Governments.   </p>
<p>It is not as if the illegal alien issue has only cropped up in the last year.  </p>
<p>Recall the  7-11 compromise the department did with the ACLU and other illegal alien supporters.  Surely Deane had a say in that.  </p>
<p>The facts I refer to are that Deane was not for the program.  Deane had not taken a hard stance on illegals before the program.   If it was left to him the department would not have started the program.</p>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-60095</link>
		<dc:creator>AWCheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 05:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-60095</guid>
		<description>"If she does not want illegals, why has she defended a person who clearly is not in favor of removing them from the Community?"

Perhaps, COM, because that is not the ONLY responsibility he has?  And by the way, pushing ANY policy on the BOS is NOT one of his responsibilities.  If he's "doing the program" as you say, then he is doing his job with regard to the illegal aliens.  

This meeting with official representatives of foreign governments, secretly, behind closed doors is a completely different issue.  The fact that he was non-responsive to a request from the Chairman of the BOS for information disclosing the purpose and substance of those meetings (which was a wholly appropriate request) is what actually concerned me.  Dolph disagreed, and I've got no problem with that...because it's her opinion, to which she is entitled as much as I, or you for that matter.

"Opinions need to be based on some sort of logic and fact, not just well that is my opinion and I am sticking to it, even though it flies in the face of facts."

My question to you, COM, is what YOUR basis in logic and fact for your opinion might be?  I have yet to see it.  It's rather unfair to hold someone to a higher standard than that to which you hold yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If she does not want illegals, why has she defended a person who clearly is not in favor of removing them from the Community?&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps, COM, because that is not the ONLY responsibility he has?  And by the way, pushing ANY policy on the BOS is NOT one of his responsibilities.  If he&#8217;s &#8220;doing the program&#8221; as you say, then he is doing his job with regard to the illegal aliens.  </p>
<p>This meeting with official representatives of foreign governments, secretly, behind closed doors is a completely different issue.  The fact that he was non-responsive to a request from the Chairman of the BOS for information disclosing the purpose and substance of those meetings (which was a wholly appropriate request) is what actually concerned me.  Dolph disagreed, and I&#8217;ve got no problem with that&#8230;because it&#8217;s her opinion, to which she is entitled as much as I, or you for that matter.</p>
<p>&#8220;Opinions need to be based on some sort of logic and fact, not just well that is my opinion and I am sticking to it, even though it flies in the face of facts.&#8221;</p>
<p>My question to you, COM, is what YOUR basis in logic and fact for your opinion might be?  I have yet to see it.  It&#8217;s rather unfair to hold someone to a higher standard than that to which you hold yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59988</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59988</guid>
		<description>Aw,

First off, I do not support NCLB.  I just used it as an example of where Dolph does not compromise and does not want to listen to any type of reason, for why the program should continue.    

If she does not want illegals, why has she defended a person who clearly is not in favor of removing them from the Community? 

She admitted that Deane is only doing the program because the BOS passed it, and not because he showed true leadership by pushing it to the BOS.   


Opinions are fine, but I suppose I could say in my opinion the  sun sets in the East and no matter what people said I was right and they were wrong.  Opinions need to be based on some sort of logic and fact, not just well that is my opinion and I am sticking to it, even though it flies in the face of facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw,</p>
<p>First off, I do not support NCLB.  I just used it as an example of where Dolph does not compromise and does not want to listen to any type of reason, for why the program should continue.    </p>
<p>If she does not want illegals, why has she defended a person who clearly is not in favor of removing them from the Community? </p>
<p>She admitted that Deane is only doing the program because the BOS passed it, and not because he showed true leadership by pushing it to the BOS.   </p>
<p>Opinions are fine, but I suppose I could say in my opinion the  sun sets in the East and no matter what people said I was right and they were wrong.  Opinions need to be based on some sort of logic and fact, not just well that is my opinion and I am sticking to it, even though it flies in the face of facts.</p>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59986</link>
		<dc:creator>AWCheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59986</guid>
		<description>Accusing Dolph of posting anonymously and/or under different pseudonyms is, of itself, rather over the top and grossly unfair.  THAT'S what you "hit (up)on" which brought me into the melee.  Insofar as the numerous accusations from numerous commenters that she is supportive of illegal aliens, that happens to her all the time.  I've actually been accused of that myself when I dare to inject a bit of reason into the debate.  I'm not going to go back through all the comments on all the illegal alien threads to determine if I perhaps confused you with someone else (COM, for instance) in maligning Dolph as an "illegal alien apologist," so I'll just take your word for it that you realize she is not, despite occasional disagreements in approach.  Fact is, we're all basically on the same side...but we all need to remember that we're not ALWAYS going to agree on everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Accusing Dolph of posting anonymously and/or under different pseudonyms is, of itself, rather over the top and grossly unfair.  THAT&#8217;S what you &#8220;hit (up)on&#8221; which brought me into the melee.  Insofar as the numerous accusations from numerous commenters that she is supportive of illegal aliens, that happens to her all the time.  I&#8217;ve actually been accused of that myself when I dare to inject a bit of reason into the debate.  I&#8217;m not going to go back through all the comments on all the illegal alien threads to determine if I perhaps confused you with someone else (COM, for instance) in maligning Dolph as an &#8220;illegal alien apologist,&#8221; so I&#8217;ll just take your word for it that you realize she is not, despite occasional disagreements in approach.  Fact is, we&#8217;re all basically on the same side&#8230;but we all need to remember that we&#8217;re not ALWAYS going to agree on everything.</p>
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		<title>By: manassascityresident</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59977</link>
		<dc:creator>manassascityresident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59977</guid>
		<description>AWC –
“In hate” of Dolph?  “Delusional?”  I’d say that’s a tad over the top and a little dramatic don’t you think?  I detect nothing but calm discourse above.  But we must have hit on something to make you jump on over to protect your friend.  I guess we’re not allowed to protect other posters from her cyber-slapping (her words).
Forgive me if I’m wrong, but aren’t we ALL entitled to express our opinions?  Oh, that’s right, how could I forget….this is a one way street I’m traveling on – where it’s Dolph’s way, or the highway.   I’ll try to remember to bow down to all that Dolph posts on BVBL from now on.  Now that makes sense, and I’m sure it will make her oh so happy!  :-)
BTW – I have never called Dolph an illegal alien apologist.  You may want to reread all posts!
End of story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AWC –<br />
“In hate” of Dolph?  “Delusional?”  I’d say that’s a tad over the top and a little dramatic don’t you think?  I detect nothing but calm discourse above.  But we must have hit on something to make you jump on over to protect your friend.  I guess we’re not allowed to protect other posters from her cyber-slapping (her words).<br />
Forgive me if I’m wrong, but aren’t we ALL entitled to express our opinions?  Oh, that’s right, how could I forget….this is a one way street I’m traveling on – where it’s Dolph’s way, or the highway.   I’ll try to remember to bow down to all that Dolph posts on BVBL from now on.  Now that makes sense, and I’m sure it will make her oh so happy!  <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
BTW – I have never called Dolph an illegal alien apologist.  You may want to reread all posts!<br />
End of story.</p>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59958</link>
		<dc:creator>AWCheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59958</guid>
		<description>Whatever her opinion COM, it is HER opinion.  I may not agree with her on some things, but we absolutely agree on the issue of illegal aliens...that they have no place here.  She's made that quite clear.  And, by the way, she and I also agree on NCLB.  I'm surprised that YOU would support a program thrust on us by Teddy Kennedy, even if it was also supported by George W.  Of course, George W. is no more a conservative than Teddy, so I suppose THAT would make sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever her opinion COM, it is HER opinion.  I may not agree with her on some things, but we absolutely agree on the issue of illegal aliens&#8230;that they have no place here.  She&#8217;s made that quite clear.  And, by the way, she and I also agree on NCLB.  I&#8217;m surprised that YOU would support a program thrust on us by Teddy Kennedy, even if it was also supported by George W.  Of course, George W. is no more a conservative than Teddy, so I suppose THAT would make sense.</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenofManassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59955</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenofManassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59955</guid>
		<description>AW,

Dolph does not mix bones about her hatred of NCLB.  To her NCLB should be ended tomorrow, no but or ifs of lets take a look, nothing but ending it will satisfy her.   Yet, when it comes to illegals, she has the complete different reaction.     She has waffled on the issue of illegal immigration more than once, and that is what causes people to question her on the issue.   

The fact she is attempting to defend Deane when he was against the program is just one more reason to question if she truly is against illegal immigration.  

The fact she does not have a problem with a foreign Government, who is not only openly supportive of illegal immigration, is also openly pushing for the border between America and Mexico to disappear, is another reason to question her true feelings on illegal immigration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AW,</p>
<p>Dolph does not mix bones about her hatred of NCLB.  To her NCLB should be ended tomorrow, no but or ifs of lets take a look, nothing but ending it will satisfy her.   Yet, when it comes to illegals, she has the complete different reaction.     She has waffled on the issue of illegal immigration more than once, and that is what causes people to question her on the issue.   </p>
<p>The fact she is attempting to defend Deane when he was against the program is just one more reason to question if she truly is against illegal immigration.  </p>
<p>The fact she does not have a problem with a foreign Government, who is not only openly supportive of illegal immigration, is also openly pushing for the border between America and Mexico to disappear, is another reason to question her true feelings on illegal immigration.</p>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59930</link>
		<dc:creator>AWCheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59930</guid>
		<description>Addition to last sentence: except, perhaps, for a number of the illegal aliens and their apologists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addition to last sentence: except, perhaps, for a number of the illegal aliens and their apologists.</p>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59929</link>
		<dc:creator>AWCheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59929</guid>
		<description>MCR and jfk...you are both delusional and obviously deeply "in hate" of Dolph.  First of all, she is in no way, shape or form an illegal alien apologist.  She wants them out of her neighborhood as badly as you do.  Secondly, as others have done, if she inadvertently posts "anonymous" (or under a different pseudonym), she comes back to let everyone know it was her (happened when her grandkids used the computer one time that I can definitely recall).  You two tend to be the most free with unsubstantiated accusations against folks around here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MCR and jfk&#8230;you are both delusional and obviously deeply &#8220;in hate&#8221; of Dolph.  First of all, she is in no way, shape or form an illegal alien apologist.  She wants them out of her neighborhood as badly as you do.  Secondly, as others have done, if she inadvertently posts &#8220;anonymous&#8221; (or under a different pseudonym), she comes back to let everyone know it was her (happened when her grandkids used the computer one time that I can definitely recall).  You two tend to be the most free with unsubstantiated accusations against folks around here.</p>
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		<title>By: ateacher</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59928</link>
		<dc:creator>ateacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59928</guid>
		<description>ack..I don't believe that claim.  Dolph is pretty good with being what Dolph needs to say.  Dolph is very straight forward, but even handed.  I really believe Dolph is what Dolph claims to be...Dolph.   Not once have I thought Dolph was some one else, or posted under other names.  I admire Dolph for  his/her ability to either accept what I say or question my thought process.  Dolph is real.  Blog on.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ack..I don&#8217;t believe that claim.  Dolph is pretty good with being what Dolph needs to say.  Dolph is very straight forward, but even handed.  I really believe Dolph is what Dolph claims to be&#8230;Dolph.   Not once have I thought Dolph was some one else, or posted under other names.  I admire Dolph for  his/her ability to either accept what I say or question my thought process.  Dolph is real.  Blog on&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: manassascityresident</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59814</link>
		<dc:creator>manassascityresident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59814</guid>
		<description>jfk said on 31 Mar 2008 at 1:49 pm: 
k.o’toole, Another Dolph tactic is to post under other names, so that she can give support to herself. I would not be surprised if Lucky Duck is actually Dolph. 

And watch out for "Purple"...... just a feeling ...  all wrapped into one package!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jfk said on 31 Mar 2008 at 1:49 pm:<br />
k.o’toole, Another Dolph tactic is to post under other names, so that she can give support to herself. I would not be surprised if Lucky Duck is actually Dolph. </p>
<p>And watch out for &#8220;Purple&#8221;&#8230;&#8230; just a feeling &#8230;  all wrapped into one package!</p>
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		<title>By: Dolph</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59734</link>
		<dc:creator>Dolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59734</guid>
		<description>You are only stifled if you allow yourself to be.  I most certainly do understand the point people are making, and that is what I find so disturbing on so many levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are only stifled if you allow yourself to be.  I most certainly do understand the point people are making, and that is what I find so disturbing on so many levels.</p>
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		<title>By: k. o'toole</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59711</link>
		<dc:creator>k. o'toole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59711</guid>
		<description>jfk@9:12 pm - Well said :-) (I will again address you with the expectation that D doesn't know when she's not being addressed (ignored) - she does like to stifle. She just needs try to understand the point people make, instead of looking for a fight/getting defensive). Manassascityresident understood immediately the difference between the msg and the messenger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="mailto:jfk@9:12">jfk@9:12</a> pm - Well said <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> (I will again address you with the expectation that D doesn&#8217;t know when she&#8217;s not being addressed (ignored) - she does like to stifle. She just needs try to understand the point people make, instead of looking for a fight/getting defensive). Manassascityresident understood immediately the difference between the msg and the messenger.</p>
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		<title>By: jfk</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59670</link>
		<dc:creator>jfk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 02:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59670</guid>
		<description>Or a whiner....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or a whiner&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lafayette</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59659</link>
		<dc:creator>Lafayette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59659</guid>
		<description>jfk,
I come here too learn as well. 
Oh, isn't it better to be a winner than a wiener? Thought, I'd LIGHTEN things up a bit. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jfk,<br />
I come here too learn as well.<br />
Oh, isn&#8217;t it better to be a winner than a wiener? Thought, I&#8217;d LIGHTEN things up a bit. <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: jfk</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59655</link>
		<dc:creator>jfk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59655</guid>
		<description>I've said many times, and it bears repeating, that I come to this site to learn. I don't presuppose that I am a great writer, or that I am an expert on any subject.  The thing about Dolph and others like her that angers me is that they tend to stifle others.  I never see in any of her posts a desire to continue the debate or learn anything.  It's seems like it's all about winning, as Benton implied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve said many times, and it bears repeating, that I come to this site to learn. I don&#8217;t presuppose that I am a great writer, or that I am an expert on any subject.  The thing about Dolph and others like her that angers me is that they tend to stifle others.  I never see in any of her posts a desire to continue the debate or learn anything.  It&#8217;s seems like it&#8217;s all about winning, as Benton implied.</p>
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		<title>By: monticup</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59637</link>
		<dc:creator>monticup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59637</guid>
		<description>Actually, Benton, many of the posters here are first-rate writers.  They could teach the MSM journalists a thing or two.
Pearls before swine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Benton, many of the posters here are first-rate writers.  They could teach the MSM journalists a thing or two.<br />
Pearls before swine.</p>
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		<title>By: Benton</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59629</link>
		<dc:creator>Benton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59629</guid>
		<description>The problem here is everyone wants to or thinks they need to be top dog.  From what I've observed, no one here would win a pulitzer so I would try to keep it a bit lighter and maybe learn something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem here is everyone wants to or thinks they need to be top dog.  From what I&#8217;ve observed, no one here would win a pulitzer so I would try to keep it a bit lighter and maybe learn something.</p>
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		<title>By: manassascityresident</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59627</link>
		<dc:creator>manassascityresident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59627</guid>
		<description>Laf -
Yes, indeed! :-)  Alive and well!
Sorry I missed you - I had EVERY intention of going, but something unavoidable came up!
Hope all is well on your end!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laf -<br />
Yes, indeed! <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Alive and well!<br />
Sorry I missed you - I had EVERY intention of going, but something unavoidable came up!<br />
Hope all is well on your end!</p>
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		<title>By: Lafayette</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/03/29/2205/#comment-59625</link>
		<dc:creator>Lafayette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mcr,
I see you are live and well this evening. :)
Missed you last week!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mcr,<br />
I see you are live and well this evening. <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Missed you last week!</p>
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