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And We Have A Jail Space Shortage?

By Greg L | 31 March 2008 | Illegal Aliens, Virginia Politics | 49 Comments

If there’s such a problem with prison overcrowding in Virginia, which some say means we can’t possibly detain illegal aliens pending their deportation, why is this happening?  If we can’t handle the temporary detention of illegal aliens in Virginia, how come we can take jail farm-outs from Wyoming?

Wyoming inmates are due to be transferred within weeks to two Virginia prisons in the southwest corner of the state.

The transfer, part of a contract that could pay Virginia $18.5 million, could bring up to 300 Wyoming prisoners to the state over the next two years.

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“However, this is hopefully a short-term solution to meet current needs of the DOC and the state,” he [Larry Traylor, spokesman for the Virginia Department of Corrections] said.

The alternative to contracting for out-of-state prisoners could be closing prisons and laying off employees, he said.

Since the costs of housing inmates pending deportation are paid by the federal government, there’s an easy way to ensure that prison guards aren’t laid off.  Let’s ensure that there’s an effective means of identifying and deporting illegal aliens that unlawfully reside in Virginia, and use the prison space we’re currently having such a hard time putting to good use to help solve a real problem in Virginia.  State-wide implementation of the federal Section 287(g) Program would be a good start.  We solve a problem, protect jobs in Virginia, and get federal funding to do it.

Funny thing, that Ken Stolle kept saying we didn’t have the jail space to house illegal aliens awaiting deportation while we’re asking Wyoming to help fill our unused jail space.  Did Stolle just get bad information?



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49 Comments

  1. Anonymous said on 31 Mar 2008 at 2:44 am:
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    Greg,

    keep in mind that Indigenous people never ever have been illegal aliens in our own beautiful continent it doesn’t matter how you want to slide the illegal nickname it never will be
    genuine.

    keep in mind, the indigenous race is only one race not 2 races

    so please don’t classify me as Hispanic or Latino.

    thanks!

  2. Ben Keeler said on 31 Mar 2008 at 3:08 am:
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    No, Stolle probably just didnt want to do anything about the problem.

  3. Anonymous said on 31 Mar 2008 at 5:23 am:
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    “Indigenous people” Here we go, now that the racist accusations no longer carry any weight, they’re now telling us that they are the owners of this great land, and we are the illegals. This is straight from the Mexica play book as is the billboard in Manassas. No longer are they just poor people looking for a job, and wanting to be left alone. Now they have taken the high road as owners and creators of this great nation. Funny thing is if all the Europeans left they would just have a land full of Latinos, governed by Latinos, and we all know that doesn’t amount to much otherwise they wouldn’t be here!

  4. CitizenofManassas said on 31 Mar 2008 at 7:56 am:
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    I think because the Commonwealth is getting money to house the inmates is exactly why there was space found.

    There are no “indigenous people” here in North America. Everyone including American Indians immigrated here. Illegal aliens are still illegal.

  5. Dolph said on 31 Mar 2008 at 8:47 am:
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    Anonymous @ 5:23 am,

    I bet the Asians, the blacks, and the American Indians might have something to say about your suggestion as to would be left if all Europeans left.

  6. pobre poco mí said on 31 Mar 2008 at 9:45 am:
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    Hopefully, they’ll have room for this ahole!
    http://sex-offender.vsp.virginia.gov/sor/servlet/SOR?id=X000097654

  7. Anonymous said on 31 Mar 2008 at 9:48 am:
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    Anonymous 2:44 am:

    The oldest human bones on this continent have European features.

  8. Anonymous said on 31 Mar 2008 at 9:50 am:
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    http://www.utexas.edu/courses/stross/ant322m_files/1stpersons.htm

  9. 999 said on 31 Mar 2008 at 10:00 am:
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    Anonymous said on 31 Mar 2008 at 5:23 am:
    “Indigenous people” Here we go, now that the racist accusations no longer carry any weight, they’re now telling us that they are the owners of this great land, and we are the illegals. This is straight from the Mexica play book as is the billboard in Manassas. No longer are they just poor people looking for a job, and wanting to be left alone. Now they have taken the high road as owners and creators of this great nation. Funny thing is if all the Europeans left they would just have a land full of Latinos, governed by Latinos, and we all know that doesn’t amount to much otherwise they wouldn’t be here!

    You hit the nail on the head! Just take a look at Zimbabwe (formerly Southern Rhodesia.) That country is in chaos since they threw out all the white farmers. There is virtually not a country in Africa that has a stable government and much can be said of Central and South America. Is it a cultural thing? GRAFT, GREED AND CORRUPTION. The “indigenous people” that have invaded this country illegally now miss their own homelands SO MUCH that they want this country to be just like theirs. AIN’T GOING TO HAPPEN!

  10. 999 said on 31 Mar 2008 at 10:03 am:
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    Dolph said on 31 Mar 2008 at 8:47 am:
    Anonymous @ 5:23 am,

    I bet the Asians, the blacks, and the American Indians might have something to say about your suggestion as to would be left if all Europeans left.

    Not a hell of a lot! See my above comment.

  11. 999 said on 31 Mar 2008 at 10:13 am:
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    Anonymous said on 31 Mar 2008 at 9:50 am:
    http://www.utexas.edu/courses/stross/ant322m_files/1stpersons.htm

    The Mexican museum knew that the remains were of significant historical value but they hadn’t been scientifically dated….

    They probably just FORGOT to do it. (sarcasim)

  12. Freedom said on 31 Mar 2008 at 10:20 am:
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    Well Greg, I kinda prefer the chainlink fence/tent/pink underwear option.

  13. Krutis said on 31 Mar 2008 at 10:34 am:
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    Shucks, why do we need to house them indoors when tent camps will do just fine? Imitate good ole Joe in Arizona. -

    Virginia can make lots of money by putting up other states’ bad guys. Greed is good! Go for the green! (sarc)

  14. Mr. Anon said on 31 Mar 2008 at 10:38 am:
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    999 said on 31 Mar 2008 at 10:13 am:

    Maybe those of us with European ancestry need to be picketing in Mexico City. I personally would like my ancestral home along the ocean in Accapulco restored, with full reparations of course.

  15. Advocator said on 31 Mar 2008 at 12:14 pm:
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    It all becomes clear, now. The Dumbocrats and RINO’s in the state don’t want to go after the illegal aliens because they want to rent out our jail space to other states and localities. Meanwhile, they keep pocketing the contributions from the businesses that hire the illegals.

    As usual, it’s all about the money.

    The Governor will be in Ashburn at 6:30 PM today for a “town hall” meeting at Farmwell Station Middle School, 44281 Gloucester Parkway. Ask him about a statewide 287g agreement.

  16. Anonymous said on 31 Mar 2008 at 12:23 pm:
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    The poster 999 is the types that don’t represent HSM or who are against Illegal.

    999 is the type of person this site don’t need.

  17. 999 said on 31 Mar 2008 at 12:49 pm:
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    Anonymous said on 31 Mar 2008 at 12:23 pm:
    The poster 999 is the types that don’t represent HSM or who are against Illegal.

    999 is the type of person this site don’t need.

    JUST STATING THE FACTS, MY FRIEND!

  18. Fuzzy said on 31 Mar 2008 at 1:21 pm:
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    Quoted From Original:
    “Funny thing, that Ken Stolle kept saying we didn’t have the jail space to house illegal aliens awaiting deportation while we’re asking Wyoming to help fill our unused jail space. Did Stolle just get bad information?”

    I think that there may be a bit of confusion here, because the terms “jail” and “prison” are being used interchangeably, and even though they are similar in function, they are not the same. Jails are operated at the local level and house those convicted of misdemeanors or short sentences, and those awaiting trial, whereas a prison is operated by the state, and houses those convicted of felonies for longer terms. It would be easy to conceivably have plenty of bedspace in our prisons, while our jails are filled to the brim. One doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with the other.

    http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-a-jail-and-a-prison.htm

  19. monticup said on 31 Mar 2008 at 1:56 pm:
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    Tents. And chain link fence. Electrified.
    Problem solved.

  20. Bl said on 31 Mar 2008 at 2:21 pm:
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    There’s the “everyone’s an immigrant except for the ‘Native Americans’” argument. Well, the American Indians didn’t sprout from the land, they came across the Bering land bridge from Asia. So if the criterion is “You’re an immigrant if you had an ancestor who immigrated here,” then American Indians are immigrants, too.

    In that case, “immigrant” is no longer a useful word, since Everyone’s an immigrant.

    Stole Southwest Argument!
    There’s the “the U.S. stole the southwest” argument. Well, the land in dispute was “owned” by Spain for a couple of centuries. Then by Mexico for about 25 years. During these periods, there weren’t more than a few thousand Spaniards or Mexicans in the entire territory. It’s been owned by the U.S. for about 160 years now, much longer than Mexico’s reign. And the U.S. has actually done something with the land, made it habitable for tens of millions. As Robert Kaplan has described, the difference between American and Mexican “twin cities” straddling the border is like night and day, yet the land is obviously the same. It’s not the dirt that’s important, it’s the people. Put another way, if culture didn’t matter, Mexico and Central America would be paradise.

  21. Bl said on 31 Mar 2008 at 2:23 pm:
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    To put it bluntly without being PC the problem with Mexico is Mexicans. In hundreds of years the only type of society they have been able to build is a Cesspool of Crime, Corruption, Poverty, Misery and Cruelly! Look at their sports, Bull fighting, Horse tripping, Dog Fighting, Cock fighting, & of course rape is a great sport for the young men. Which you would think would hardly be necessary since sex is legal with 12 year old girls there. It would seem that would be enough like rape to satisfy even the most jaded! Not surprising as more Mexicans that come to this country the more like Mexico we become! In the long run it is either good or desirable for us or the world to allow Mexico to turn this country into another Third World Country. If any more proof is required look at the Border cities, they are as different as night and day. Obviously the land is the same so how to explain the poverty on the Mexican side other than Mexican culture?

  22. Freedom said on 31 Mar 2008 at 2:26 pm:
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    Krutis said: “Shucks, why do we need to house them indoors when tent camps will do just fine? Imitate good ole Joe in Arizona.”

    Bingo, Krutis!! You get a gold star for the day. :)

  23. MP Resident said on 31 Mar 2008 at 2:37 pm:
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    “Obviously the land is the same so how to explain the poverty on the Mexican side other than Mexican culture?”

    Some truly believe it’s because we stole their wealth from them.

  24. 999 said on 31 Mar 2008 at 2:43 pm:
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    Bl said on 31 Mar 2008 at 2:23 pm:
    To put it bluntly without being PC the problem with Mexico is Mexicans.

    Anonymous said on 31 Mar 2008 at 12:23 pm:
    The poster 999 is the types that don’t represent HSM or who are against Illegal.

    999 is the type of person this site don’t need.

    Careful Bl, your post (I agree with what you said) will put Anonymous’ knickers in a knot. Apparently “A” is an illegal sympathizer who feels we should turn this country over to illegals and to not do so, is racist.

  25. CONVA said on 31 Mar 2008 at 4:39 pm:
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    If they won’t build the fence, mine the border. Claymores would be appropriate.

  26. Freedom said on 31 Mar 2008 at 5:15 pm:
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    Well Fuzzy, assuming your assessment is correct, we could change jails to prisons and prisons to jails kinda like overnight, couldn’t we? :) That is, if it were an important thing to do.

  27. Fuzzy said on 31 Mar 2008 at 6:16 pm:
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    @Freedom:

    If that were easy to do, I would imagine it would already be done, but off the top of my head, the logistics would be a nightmare. Jails house in the hundreds, maybe thousands, but prisons house tens of thousands. For example, if we converted PWC jail into a prison, and made a prison in SW Virginia a jail, it’s gonna be a pain every time somebody gets arrested in PWC to transport them down there to house them, then back up to PWC for trial, etc… So to answer your question, yes I think that they could, but it might not make much sense to do so.

    I just think it’s important to note that the two are different, and cannot be accurately referred to interchangeably, and that this may explain some of the apparent double speak in the article mentioned. (and no, I’m not affiliated with Ken Stolle, and I really could care less about him.) In the long run, either way, Greg L is probably right about 287g being able to eliminate some overcrowding in both prisons and jails.

  28. IndigenousNativeAmerican said on 31 Mar 2008 at 7:20 pm:
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    # CitizenofManassas said on 31 Mar 2008 at 7:56 am: “There are no “indigenous people” here in North America. Everyone including American Indians immigrated here. Illegal aliens are still illegal.”

    INA: This is not true. Our people have always been on Turtle Island. We did not immigrant from anywhere. This is what our science tells us. However, even if this were true, even your science says that we have been here for 30,000 years. How do you just take possession of something that someone has had for 30,000 years and pretend that it never happened.

    IndigenousNativeAmerican
    Living in VA for more than 10,000 years.

  29. monticup said on 31 Mar 2008 at 7:22 pm:
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    Au contraire, anonymous, we do need 999.

    Bl: Great post.

    CONVA: Good thinking!

  30. IndigenousNativeAmerican said on 31 Mar 2008 at 7:51 pm:
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    You guys are amazing. After 500 years of killing, deporting, fencing you laugh and joke about claymore mine, housing us in tents.

    IndigenousNativeAmerican
    Living in VA for more than 10,000 years.

  31. IndigenousNativeAmerican said on 31 Mar 2008 at 7:55 pm:
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    “Some truly believe it’s because we stole their wealth from them.”

    If you don’t believe land is wealth why not leave it.

  32. CitizenofManassas said on 31 Mar 2008 at 9:30 pm:
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    The simple fact is that American Indians immigrated and spread to South America, no matter what you want to believe, because what I say is a fact, and what you say is simply wrong. And, ya, people that cross the American border without going through the proper immigration channels are illegals.

  33. Patty said on 31 Mar 2008 at 9:51 pm:
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    IndigenousNativeAmerican,

    I have Native American in my background. Unfortunately, your science is outdated. Everyone immigrated to this region at one time in the past. Some of my daughter’s history books talk about that very subject.

    Let’s stick with the topic at hand, jail space. I am curious to know why Wyoming has a problem with housing their own inmates. Do they have more crime than they expected? I didn’t think the population of Wyoming was very large. Anyone got any statistics about Wyoming that they would like to share?

  34. IndigenousNativeAmerican said on 31 Mar 2008 at 9:59 pm:
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    CitizenofManassas

    How can you prove this? I KNOW, not believe that we have always been here.

    The problem with your science, based upon analysis, is that it is little more than guessing. Every few years there is a new theory about things that throws out the old theory. The point with this system is that there is only one thing that is known. This is that ALL of the current theories are wrong. So we don’t need to wait to see the new theory will be. We all already know that it is wrong. You just don’t know what new theory will replace it!!!

    However, we have always known that we have always been here.

    IndigenousNativeAmerican
    Living in VA for more than 10,000 years.

  35. monticup said on 31 Mar 2008 at 10:53 pm:
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    Indig: and you point is??
    I figure you’ve been living in VA for 30-40 years. Am I right?

  36. MP Resident said on 1 Apr 2008 at 12:14 am:
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    “If you don’t believe land is wealth why not leave it.”

    Raw, undeveloped land is quite cheap in most parts of this country. It only becomes valuable after someone does something productive with it, an ability which seems to be sorely lacking in those who subscribe to the “reconquista” crap.

  37. AWCheney said on 1 Apr 2008 at 7:48 am:
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    So-called “IndigenousNativeAmerican” is quite mad, and you can see for yourself if you go back in the threads to “Mexicans Without Borders Defaces Manassas Again.” His rants are really quite outrageous. His comments here are really mild, in comparison. Anonymous at 2:44 am is, in all probability, either him or one of his asylum mates.

  38. Anonymous said on 1 Apr 2008 at 10:00 am:
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    IndigenousNativeAmerican
    Living in VA for more than 10,000 years.

    WOW! Getting a little long in the tooth aren’t you?:)

  39. IndigenousNativeAmerican said on 1 Apr 2008 at 11:41 am:
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    There is no such thing as raw, undeveloped land from an indigenous perspective. It is all Mother Earth and scared. The problem with you people is that you only see in terms of money and analysis. This is dead thinking. Your heart is dead.

    If it is so valueless, why did you steal it to start with. And why not turn over only the “raw undeveloped” land. If you are willing to leave you can bulldozed all of the cities and your development, that is killing Mother Earth, on your way out.

    IndigenousNativeAmerican
    Living in VA for more than 10,000 years.

  40. IndigenousNativeAmerican said on 1 Apr 2008 at 11:43 am:
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    # monticup said on 31 Mar 2008 at 10:53 pm: Indig: and you point is??
    I figure you’ve been living in VA for 30-40 years. Am I right?

    INA said: Look “immigrant” you’re the one that has been living here for 30 to 40 Years. We have been here for over 10,000 years.

    IndigenousNativeAmerican
    Living in VA for more than 10,000 years.

  41. MP Resident said on 1 Apr 2008 at 1:19 pm:
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    “There is no such thing as raw, undeveloped land from an indigenous perspective. It is all Mother Earth and scared. The problem with you people is that you only see in terms of money and analysis. This is dead thinking. Your heart is dead.”

    Yes, and why are illegal aliens busting into this nation? Because of the almighty dollar.

    My heart is not dead, but I have some suspicions about your brain.

  42. manassascityresident said on 1 Apr 2008 at 2:34 pm:
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    MP Resident said on 1 Apr 2008 at 1:19 pm:
    My heart is not dead, but I have some suspicions about your brain.

    OUTSTANDING! I had to laugh out loud with that one! TOO funny and so true!

  43. monticup said on 1 Apr 2008 at 6:52 pm:
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    Great point, MP Resident!
    I hear much of El Salvador is pristine, raw and undeveloped. Yet they’re all sneaking in here. What gives?

  44. Anonymous said on 1 Apr 2008 at 7:33 pm:
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    IndigenousNativeAmerican: You people? Look at the oldest bones here, they have clearly European features. There have been multiple of these skeletons along with the evidence that when your people came over they murdered the rightful first comers, the Europeans. Even if that makes a difference (it doesn’t) the land belongs to the United States of America now and we will not give it up without a fight. We did more for this land in just a few years than your people did for thousands. You have absolutely no claim to it anymore. Your people should have banded together in the beginning instead of infighting. They didn’t, you lost, get over it.

  45. CitizenofManassas said on 1 Apr 2008 at 11:57 pm:
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    IndigenousNativeAmerican said on 31 Mar 2008 at 9:59 pm:
    CitizenofManassas

    How can you prove this? I KNOW, not believe that we have always been here.

    The problem with your science, based upon analysis, is that it is little more than guessing. Every few years there is a new theory about things that throws out the old theory. The point with this system is that there is only one thing that is known. This is that ALL of the current theories are wrong. So we don’t need to wait to see the new theory will be. We all already know that it is wrong. You just don’t know what new theory will replace it!!!

    However, we have always known that we have always been here.

    IndigenousNativeAmerican
    Living in VA for more than 10,000 years.

    There is not a theory. You have no proof whatsoever, what is now North America was a starting point for mankind.

  46. Dolph said on 2 Apr 2008 at 12:21 pm:
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    Indigenous,

    Sounds like a religious belief to me. Seriously, you need to seperate political geography from physical geography.

    All this talk of who has been here when is ridiculous. In the first place, no one has lived in Virginia for 10,000 years. That part of the argument is over. Secondly, if this is going to turn in to one of those land deed conversations, no one is going to buy it. I am not even politically correct enough to accept it from the Israelis.

    If you seriously think any American, much less the American government , is going to turn over land to anyone based on pointless assumptions, you need to get used to looking down the big barrel of a big tank. It isn’t going to happen.

    Basically, it doesn’t matter what any of us think about who came from where. Our boundaries are pretty much set.

  47. IndigenousNativeAmerican said on 8 Apr 2008 at 9:32 pm:
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    Dolph:

    I have been very clear regarding what the issue is for us and it has nothing to do with land deed conversations. You guys jump all over the place, making assumptions, like a bunch of rabbits.

    Please re-read what I have written and stay with the facts.

    Yes our people have been in this part of Turtle Island for 10,000 years.

    In regards to using force and violence to attain your means, hasn’t there already been enough of that? You’ve already murdered tens of millions of our people. And you want to kill more? Is that all you stand for? Is that all white America stands for. I don’t think so. I think for the most part white people are fair given real facts. Once there is an understanding that the people they refer to as illegal aliens are in fact indigenous Native Americans on their own homelands I believe there will be a real dialogue regarding the issue and I believe the wall barring natives from their homeland will come down.

    Yes it does matter who was here first. Can I just move into your house while you are gone one weekend and declare, it does not matter who was here first I am here now”. Hell no that would be silly. But that is what you are saying.

    Please be careful what you wish for. Because you may get it.

    Indigenous Native American

  48. IndigenousNativeAmerican said on 8 Apr 2008 at 9:44 pm:
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    Anonymous said on 1 Apr 2008 at 7:33 pm: “We did more for this land in just a few years than your people did for thousands. You have absolutely no claim to it anymore. ”

    We have different definitions of progress. The analytical and authoritarian based world that you have created is absolutely horrible and on the verge of self destruction. It is killing mother earth, kills 30,000 children per day, 50,000 people total, murders millions more each year in war. As peak oil hits in the coming years and gas goes to $50 per gallon and your unstainable world begins to fall apart what will you say then. The world that we now know is based upon the dominate thinking of Europe. And will all come to a head in the coming years. Getting right with the indigenous world including the indigenous people of the world is just one thing you must do to save yourselves.

    You’ve done nothing positive for Turtle Island but hurt her. When I look at what you have done it brings tears to my eyes. There has been no progress. In fact the world is now set back thousands of years because of what you call progress.

    Indigenous Native American
    The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth

  49. Michael said on 8 Apr 2008 at 11:06 pm:
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    INA:

    The original inhabitants of North America (showing your ignorance of science history here), were Australians (modern aboriginals descended from them). These australians came out of central africa around 40,000-20,000 years ago in a migration caused by drought, and Ice age weather patterns, during africa to desert, and pulling back the sea level enough for them to migrant down a land bridge to malaysia, indonesia, and then australia. From australia, around 15,000 years ago they sailed to North and South America. Their remains were discovered, and a very few of the original DNA survives in a very small group of ancestors in southern argentina. hey once populated a significant part of north and south america.

    Why did they dissappear? A third wave out of africa, during the last ice age some 15,000-10,000 years ago, saw a migration to Afganistan, India, Central Mongolia, Korea, and northern Russia. These peoples, the forebearers of modern East Asians, migrated across a land bridge in Alaska, near the end of the last Ice age as it was receding, and came into Northern North America. They are the modern inhabitants of native lands, known as the North American Indians. They are MY ancestors, as I am part Cherokee.

    They killed almost all of the original aborigines, and their decendents as the migrated south, became Navajo, HOPI, ANASTAZI, Mayan, Aztec and INCA as they moved furthur south. They did not come from south to north, they went from north to south. What remains of this race in the region of the Aztecs are the mountain indiginous people’s (Metizmo Highland Indians) that are persecuted by the modern mexican government. What remains in the Southern US as indiginous people’s are the Navaho, and Hopi, and Pueblo, and many other tribes, left after the anastazi, move south and disappeared due to drought and food scaricity (just like the mayans).

    The Aztecs were conquered by Europeans, who came across from Afganistan, the URALS and into the black forest’s of germany. These people were the Celts (3000 BC-1400AD), who settled Germany, Greece, Italy, France, England, Spain and Portugal in that order around 2000-1000BC

    The Aztecs were killed by small pox by these Europeans as they migrated first to the carribean (1492 AD), Novia Scotia (from Iceland possibly 1200 AD), and killed specificsally by Cortez from Spain, a European.

    Almost 95% of these indiginous Americans were wiped out by smallpox. Very few remain. All that remains are the isolated North American Indians, the South American Indians, and the modern Europeans from spain, France, england and germany, etc).

    I doubt you can lay any more claim to being an original North American indiginous “peoples” than I can as a Celt, and a Cherokee Indian. We are all “Africans” if you really understand the first DNA markers, whose markers only came from the area around RWANDA, Somolia, and Southern Egypt around 50,000 years ago. Around 66,000 years ago their were some 16 human like up-right bipedals (only 3 survived to 9000 BC, all are now extinct except 1, homo-sapians.)

    The last to conquer is the last to own, that being the United States Army. These people to conquer last were primarily Celts (Irish, German, British and French descended soldiers, some in this conquering army were also Western Africans). They are the rightful present owners of the current lands, until or unless another Army defeats them and the country called the United States is no longer a country.

    Stop being such a primadonna ethnic snob

    Read more science history!

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