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Diplomat Deane’s Private Meeting With El Salvador

By Greg L | 31 March 2008 | Prince William County | 71 Comments

In addition to Chief Deane’s meetings with the Mexican Consulate last week, the Prince William County Police Department has disclosed that Chief Deane conducted private meetings with the “General Counsel El Salvadore” in his office on March 6th, 2008. This somewhat cryptic reference could mean a couple of different things, but most likely it refers to a discussion between Chief Deane and the senior diplomat who oversees all of the Consulates of El Salvador in the United States, who is referred to as a “Consul General.” This is a far cry from the “public outreach” effort that the Board of County Supervisors directed Chief Deane to undertake as part of the Rule of Law Resolution. Meetings with county residents makes sense as part of this effort, but private meetings with high-level agents of foreign governments is hardly consistent with this directive.

Mexico has ten percent of their population residing within the United States, and foreign remittances from Mexico constitute the second-largest source of foreign income for that nation. Remittances play an even more significant role in El Salvador, whose primary export is their own citizens, and over one-third of them reside in the United States. About 17% of the Gross Domestic Product of El Salvador is made up of foreign remittances, which is 133% of all export revenues and nearly as large a figure as that government’s budget (source). The State Department reported that in 2006 22.3% of El Salvadorans received remittances from the United States which accounted for an estimated $3.3 billion. If there was ever a foreign government completely invested in perpetuating illegal immigration in the United States, it would be El Salvador. Their economy is dependent on illegal aliens unlawfully residing in the United States.

While Chief Deane’s motives here are unclear, it doesn’t take much imagination to figure out the motives of the Consul General of El Salvador (if that is who is referenced in this document) are likely to be. If diplomatic officials can compromise the enforcement of the Rule of Law Resolution in any way, it would definitely be beneficial to the national interests of El Salvador which are what a Consul General promotes as his primary responsibility. When we have a local public official with no diplomatic training or resources engaging in undisclosed private discussions with senior-level agents of a foreign government, especially when those agents represent governments that have clearly diverging interests with our local laws and policies, it’s not only the right thing to do to demand answers, but it’s the only responsible thing to do.

So far Chief Deane hasn’t told us what he discussed with the Government of El Salvador, and so far hasn’t fulfilled requests from members of the Board of County Supervisors to disclose this information to them. We don’t know whether Chief Deane spoke with the State Department prior to this meeting, or notified the County Executive about this meeting. Chief Deane should be more forthcoming about the nature of these meetings, because to learn a few scant details about them after-the-fact definitely raises an appearance of impropriety.

I cannot fathom how some Supervisors are so willing to write Deane a blank check for his actions without any understanding of what has happened. They at least should get a full accounting of what Chief Deane has done before they give his actions a “vote of confidence” and pass on the opportunity here to establish clear guidance for county employees in regards to contacts with foreign officials that would eliminate the possibility of scandals like this happening in the future. Oversight only happens when public officials actually exercise their power and fulfill their responsibility to perform it.

UPDATE: I’m hearing that the U.S. State Department has contacted county officials today in order to find out what’s been going on. Now that the federal government has taken an interest in what has transpired, I imagine answers are going to be coming pretty quickly, although the citizens may not be able to hear what those answers actually were if the information is deemed to relate to matters of national security.



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71 Comments

  1. Rick Bentley said on 31 Mar 2008 at 2:54 pm:
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    Because most of our Supervisors are tools …

  2. Purple said on 31 Mar 2008 at 3:05 pm:
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    It’s called coordination. Deane is just doing his job. He has been directed to get Illegal Immigrants out of PWC. Working with the source of the illegal’s to facilitate their repatriation and to calm legal residents certainly appears to be a prudent move.

    Deane is a senior member of the PWC leadership team. It is reasonable that he be empowered to talk to whoever may help implement the resolution while maintaining order and security within the County. A responsible BOCS would simply leave him alone as he has not given them (the BOCS) cause to question his commitment, his motives, or his effectiveness. We need cool leadership. He is an exception to some of our Supervisors as he brings cool leadership to his important role in implementing the resolution. This will probably result in significantly reduced liability to the County by minimizing rash actions that result in expensive litigation and higher taxes. I’m willing to pay to implement the resolution; however, I draw the line at paying for poor management and ill-conceived implementation.

    Let him do his job.

  3. starryflights said on 31 Mar 2008 at 3:15 pm:
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    Will this be discussed at the BOCS meeting tomorrow? I would like Deane to answer Stewart’s questions. I am very concerned about his meetings with foreign government agents. We need to know what transpired during those meetings.

  4. Purple said on 31 Mar 2008 at 3:22 pm:
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    Supervisor John Jenkins reminds PWC citizens of Chief Deanes community efforts regarding the immigration resolution, The Police Department invites and encourages all interested groups who would like to learn more about the new policy or to schedule a briefing to call 703-792-7245. HSM should take Chief Dean up on this offer.

    Jenkins statement.

    I have known Colonel Charlie Deane for all of the 25+ years that I have been a member of the Prince William Board of County Supervisors and am proud to say that I supported his appointment as Chief of Police some 20 years ago. Under his leadership the PWC Police Department was one of the first departments to achieve full accreditation in the Commonwealth and continues to be among the best in the nation. Colonel Deane has been the lead in creating the Criminal Alien Unit to handle Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) in the county and is following the guidance given to him by the Board of County Supervisors in educating the public about the new ICE program. I am proud of the job that he is doing as Chief of Police and he has my complete support and vote of confidence. Listed below are some of the many activities that Colonel Deane and the Police Department have been engaged in since last July to help educate the public on ICE:

    Coordinating and educating government agencies, and key community stakeholders regarding the policy.

    “Last July, when the Police Department was first directed to undertake a greater role in enforcing illegal immigration, we realized one of the greatest challenges was going to be in the area of public education,” said Police Chief Charlie T. Deane. “Since this is a new area of responsibility, one of our greatest challenges has been responding to the differing expectations of those in the community, and clarifying what police officers will be doing, and also what they will not be doing. That is why we have taken every opportunity to meet with all groups who have expressed interest in learning more about the illegal immigration enforcement policy.”

    Examples of community groups that have received presentations include the Prince William Regional Chamber of Commerce, the Manassas Soccer League, Dar Alnoor Mosque, Northern Virginia Community College and Holy Family Catholic Church. In addition, police staff have given presentations to school faculty and superintendents, social services , and victim/witness program members, as well as offered informational training sessions to more than 300 county employees. (A listing of community meetings appears at the end of this summary).

    The Police Department invites and encourages all interested groups who would like to learn more about the new policy or to schedule a briefing to call 703-792-7245. Comprehensive information regarding illegal immigration enforcement can also be found on the Department’s web site at www.pwcgov.org/police.

    PRESENTATIONS BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT:

    COMMUNITY GROUPS

    3/27/2008 Hispanic Community/Hi-Mart
    3/24/2008 Belair Women’s Club
    3/6/2008 General Counsel El Salvadore
    2/23/2008 Manassas Soccer League
    2/6/2008 7-11 Franchise Owners
    1/28/2008 School Board Coalition
    11/12/2007 Crime Prevention Council
    11/9/2007 Prince William Regional Chamber of Commerce
    9/27/2007 Nancy Lyall/Ricardo Perez
    9/27/2007 Help Save Manassas
    9/24/2007 Hispanic Business Owners/Todos Market

    Religious Organizations

    12/2/2007 Manassas Church of Brethren
    11/18/2007 First Baptist of Woodbridge
    11/13/2007 Eastern Prince William Ministerial Services
    10/5/2007 Manassas Mosque
    9/30/2007 Holy Family Catholic Church
    9/30/2007 Dar Alnoor Mosque

    Media/Radio

    3/26/2008 Panorama Latino
    3/26/2008 Radio Fiesta
    3/25/2008 LaLay Radio Station
    3/19/2008 Louise Schiavone - CNN
    3/14/2008 El Zol Radio Station
    3/6/2008 Washington Post
    3/5/2008 ArloWagner - Washington Times
    3/5/2008 Alberto Ojeda - Nuevo Horizontes
    3/3/2008 Radio America
    1/18/2008 Justice Talking Radio Show - NPR
    10/23/2007 Sky News w/ Lisa Holland

    10/23/2007 News Channel 8
    10/19/2007 WMAL Radio Show Live
    9/27/2007 Fiesta 1480 Radio

    Educational Groups

    3/1/2008 - ongoing School Faculty (High, Middle, Elementary, Specialty)
    2/6/2008 NVCC - Students & Faculty
    1/28/2008 School Board Coalition
    1/9/2008 School Board Supervisors
    12/6/2007 NVCC - Woodbridge Campus

    Law Enforcement/Government

    3/20/2008 Leadership Prince William
    12/14/2007 US Commission on Civil Rights

    County Agencies

    3/20/2008 Victim/Witness Program Staff
    3/12/2008 School Security Staff
    2/26/2008 Social Services Staff
    1/9/2008 School Association Supervisors

    County Staff

    2/26/2008 - 3/7/08 County Employee Informational Sessions (7 Sessions

  5. G Man said on 31 Mar 2008 at 3:29 pm:
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    Purple - see Community Groups 9/27/2007 entry - Help Save Manassas has already been briefed by Deane.

  6. Purple said on 31 Mar 2008 at 3:32 pm:
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    Thanks, G Man… I did notice that. I also noticed that HSM’s last briefing was over six months ago. Time for an update? The traffic on this blog certainly indicates interest in what Chief Deane is doing. Why not ask him?

  7. Lafayette said on 31 Mar 2008 at 3:38 pm:
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    Purple,
    You make a most excellent point. Perhaps, it’s time for HSM to invite Chief Deane back. I feel confident we come.

    Great screen name. I see myself as PURPLE too!!

    Thanks for the post.

  8. Lafayette said on 31 Mar 2008 at 3:39 pm:
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    corr: I feel confident HE WILL come.

  9. Ted said on 31 Mar 2008 at 3:52 pm:
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    Interesting that 1/3 (2 of 6) of the religious organizations briefed were mosques.

  10. Advocator said on 31 Mar 2008 at 3:59 pm:
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    Ted: If I were harboring terrorists I’d want briefed on anything resembling the Rule of Law Resolution also.

  11. Purple said on 31 Mar 2008 at 4:03 pm:
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    What Lafayette said on 31 Mar 2008 at 3:38 pm

    Lafayette, thank you for your comments. I hope that the Chief’s briefing to HSM is open to the public. I would certainly attend.

    I’m “purple” because I see merit on both sides of the aisle. I favor the resolution; however, I hope for prudence in its implementation both from the fiscal conservative’s perspective (I prefer Government spend my money wisely, only for good, and preferably not at all) and from a social justice perspective (bad public policy in the past created this mess, let’s show a little compassion as we clean it up).

    I compare what’s happening in PWC to the meltdown on Wall Street at the local level. Local businesses engaged in poor, unethical and perhaps illegal labor practices creating a market for illegal immigrants… now that market is in melt down for a lot of reasons and all parties are paying a heavy price.

  12. Lafayette said on 31 Mar 2008 at 4:08 pm:
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    Purple,
    HSM meetings are always open to the public. There’ve been meetings with folks there with video cameras. They too were welcome at our meeting.

    I see both sides too. This is NOT a popular positions with many. We must look at the BIG PICTURE this often times missed in the debate.

  13. Purple said on 31 Mar 2008 at 4:17 pm:
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    Lafayette,

    Tanks for the info (re HSM meetings). I’ll be there… wearing a purple tie.

    The biggest problems tend to result from the unintended consequences of public policy… particularly public policy that takes on a bit of social engineering.

  14. starryflights said on 31 Mar 2008 at 4:25 pm:
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    Why is Jenkins throwing “Colonel” Charlie Deane out there, instead of Chief Charlie Deane. He couldn’t be looking for the military folks to stand behind Deane, just because he was a Colonel, would he? Last I heard, we do not call Chief Charlie Deane, Chief Colonel Charlie Deane. This reminds me of the tactic that McCain uses. He is a war hero and he will use every opportunity in his campaign to remind you of it, least you forget. By the way, I have nothing against military officers (retired or active), as my DH happens to be a retired military officer.

  15. Greg L said on 31 Mar 2008 at 4:30 pm:
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    Deane does hold the rank of Colonel in the Police Department. There’s nothing technically wrong with referring to Deane by his rank, rather than by his position. In fact, it’s probably more correct to refer to him as “Colonel Deane” rather than “Chief Deane”, since Chief is a personnel position, not an individual’s rank.

  16. Dolph said on 31 Mar 2008 at 5:46 pm:
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    I would expect Chief Deane to feel like he was walking in to a lions den. There are how many threads here dedicated to his ‘questionable behavior?’
    Five-six? Something like that.

  17. starryflights said on 31 Mar 2008 at 5:56 pm:
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    Greg L. Thank you for clarifying that for me. I stand corrected. I personally have nothing against Chief Deane, I just don’t think he is the right man for the job, during the crackdown on illegal immigration.

  18. Luckyduck said on 31 Mar 2008 at 6:12 pm:
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    I have lived in this community for almost 30 years and Colonel Deane is the second chief that I remember. He has led the PWCPD through a lot of expansion and growth to keep up with the population. He has been handed a task and he’s doing what he was instructed to do, as he has done over the last two decades that he has been Chief.

    There is nothing wrong with meeting with a representative of the Consulate of El Salvador as we have a Consulate right here in Woodbridge. Who knows what this meeting was about? Perhaps it was about jurisdiction in the building that houses the Consulate. Rather than speculate as was done by Greg in the title post …”This somewhat cryptic reference could mean a couple of different things, but most likely it refers to a discussion between Chief Deane and the senior diplomat who oversees all of the Consulates of El Salvador in the United States, who is referred to as a “Consul General.” “. Why don’t we once again wait for the facts instead of waiting, as others have said for the “beef” in this?

  19. starryflights said on 31 Mar 2008 at 7:06 pm:
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    You said it right there in your post….”"Who knows what this meeting was about?”" THAT is what we need to find out! Has Deane answered Stewart’s questions yet? If not, will there be an investigation?

  20. Lafayette said on 31 Mar 2008 at 7:15 pm:
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    starry,
    Stay calm, cool, and collected. The Chief is addressing the BOS at 2pm tomorrow. You can go to the Chambers of the McCoart Bldg, listen online, or tune in Channel 23. Maybe, he will be answered some of the questions then. Who knows. I think we must wait and see the proof. I’ve said this on other threads too.

    BTW-I got your email a couple of weeks ago. I was very sick, and didn’t get to respond to you. Please, feel free to send one any ole time.-Chris

  21. Benton said on 31 Mar 2008 at 7:18 pm:
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    Starryflights - why don’t you call him up and ask him these questions?

    According to the website you can reach him at: Chief’s Office 703-792-6650

  22. starryflights said on 31 Mar 2008 at 7:19 pm:
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    Lafayette, I will be taping the meeting, since this will be addressed. I sincerely hope that Deane will not be meeting with foreign government agents behind closed doors in the future. I look forward to hearing the exchange tomorrow.

  23. starryflights said on 31 Mar 2008 at 7:20 pm:
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    Benton, if Deane wouldn’t give Stewart answers, then he most certainly isn’t going to answer mine. You are TOO funny! :-)

  24. Freedom said on 31 Mar 2008 at 7:35 pm:
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    No Purple, Chief Deane has never “…been directed to get illegal immigrants out of PWC.” Nor has he has been directed to work “…with the source of the illegal’s to facilitate their repatriation…” Chief Deane does have a job to do and as much as he has studied the issue of illegal aliens, as much as he has briefed the BOCS on the results of his study, and as much as he has listened to guidance, he KNOWS what his job is. He likewise knows what his job is not.

    No PWC employee, not even supevisors, should conduct secretive, uncoordinated meetings with representatives of any foreign government for any reason. Operative words here are — secret, uncoordinated, and representatives of foreign governments. That’s pretty simple and straightforward.

    I think Nohe, Jenkins, Caddigan, and Principi stepped out a little bit early in their defense of the Chief on this one.

  25. Benton said on 31 Mar 2008 at 7:57 pm:
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    Starryflights, just thought you’d like something to actually do. Just a thought.

  26. Maureen Wood said on 31 Mar 2008 at 7:58 pm:
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    I usually only post the link to stories, but in this case I felt that the article needed to posted in it’s entirety. This is what the mexican Consul that spoke in Spanish (no English Translation) at the meeting is up to.
    http://immigrationmexicanamerican.blogspot.com/2008/01/legal-papers-on-demand.html

    Tuesday, January 8, 2008
    Legal Papers On Demand!
    Reuters is reporting:
    Mexican Consular Office Head in Washington Enrique Escorza Talks About Immigration
    LOS ANGELES, Jan. 8 /PRNewswire/ — Azteca America (Hispanic television network in the United States) hosted the head of Mexican Consular Services in Washington, Enrique Escorza, on this week’s broadcast of “Issues: Caras y Voces” (Issues: Faces and Voices)…

    “The request for documents by Mexican nationals residing in the UnitedStates has increased sharply as anti-immigration policies are on the rise. To meet demand, many Mexican consular offices, including that of Washington DC, have mobile units that go on-site to areas with high Mexican concentration to provide documentation and other services to residents.”

    “Despite increased demand, the consular office in Washington DC has reduced the time for processing passports by 25%. The office is one of the most efficient consular offices in the United States, generating about 2 milliondollars’ worth of services with a staff of nine people. ”

    Christian Science Monitor:
    Mexican ID is ticket to US mainstream
    With this coveted card, ‘undocumented’ immigrants move a step closer to legal status
    HOUSTON – Hugo Godinez Sosa hears his name over the Mexican consulate loudspeaker and pushes through the throng to pick up what is possibly the most valuable item an illegal immigrant can now possess in the US – an official Mexican ID card. The matricula consular – a nondescript, laminated card that bears a person’s name, residence in Mexico, and photo – is fast becoming a ticket out of the shadows and into the American mainstream. Many public institutions – such as schools, hospitals, social services, law enforcement agencies, and banks and other businesses – around the US are suddenly beginning to accept the cards as legal identification. And, so, that combined with the renewed emphasis on security and documentation in the US in recent months has caused a rush of tens of thousands of both legal and illegal immigrants to Mexican consulates in the US to get their cards.

    Inasmuch as the great debate over the rights and status of “undocumented” immigrants hinges on a piece of paper, this document promises to bring a whole class of marginalized people a step closer to legal recognition in the US. Groups that favor reduced immigration and strict adherence to immigration law, believe the acceptance of these ID cards undermines US law and sets a dangerous precedent. “States need to be part of the solution to illegal immigration. But accepting these documents makes state agencies part of the problem,” says Dan Stein, executive director of the Federation for American Immigration Reform in Washington.

    But proponents see it as a security issue – both for the immigrants themselves and for the American public.
    “After Sept. 11, when it became clear that there were so many people without any documentation at all, these matriculas started gaining more strength and more significance throughout the United States,” says Enrique Buj Flores, the Mexican consul general in Houston. While his matricula proves that Godinez is a resident of Mexico and nothing more, it suddenly opens doors in the US system. For one thing, the air-conditioning factory worker no longer has to keep his weekly pay in a wad in his pocket because he can now open a bank account with the card. And as of last week, he can use the ID to file a police report in Houston.

    The Mexican Consulate here has been pushing hard to get the cards accepted more widely, as have many cities with large pockets of illegal immigrants.
    In the past few months, for instance:
    • San Francisco became the first city in the country to require hospitals, schools, and other public agencies to accept the ID cards as official documentation.
    • In Arizona, the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Department joined the Phoenix Police Department in accepting the IDs on reports and other police business.
    • Bank of America, while not the first to accept the ID for bank accounts, became the most aggressive by setting up a branch at the Mexican consulate in Santa Ana, Calif.

    Posted by Dee at 1:49 PM

  27. manassascityresident said on 31 Mar 2008 at 8:08 pm:
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    Maureen Wood said on 31 Mar 2008 at 7:58 pm:

    Great. Excuse me while I go and vomit.

  28. manassascityresident said on 31 Mar 2008 at 8:09 pm:
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    Benton said on 31 Mar 2008 at 7:57 pm:

    I imagine Starryflights is much more busy than you, Benton.

  29. Benton said on 31 Mar 2008 at 8:12 pm:
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    And yet another thought provoking post from MCR. Enjoy…. :)

  30. Maureen Wood said on 31 Mar 2008 at 8:12 pm:
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    What bothers me about what the Mexican Consul is doing, is they are giving out passports to those that are already in our country illegally. If this is the case, then I hope that we only accept American passports as legal identification and not Mexican ones.

  31. manassascityresident said on 31 Mar 2008 at 8:42 pm:
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    Back at ya, Benton :-)

  32. starryflights said on 31 Mar 2008 at 8:44 pm:
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    So, could this be one of the issues being presented behind closed doors to our Chief of Police? Is Deane allowing Mexican Metricula Cards to be used as ID for illegal aliens? I certainly hope not. What is the standard in PWC for police versus the Mexican Metricula cards or National ID Cards from other countries, issued by their Consulates?

  33. starryflights said on 31 Mar 2008 at 8:46 pm:
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    Maureen Wood, good point about the passports. I think banks that don’t accept the Mexican Metricula Cards, may accept passports from illegal aliens. I will have to check up on that one.

  34. manassascityresident said on 31 Mar 2008 at 8:46 pm:
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    Maureen Wood said on 31 Mar 2008 at 8:12 pm:
    • In Arizona, the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Department joined the Phoenix Police Department in accepting the IDs on reports and other police business.

    And here I thought AZ was starting to crack down on illegals - very disappointing….

  35. Maureen Wood said on 31 Mar 2008 at 8:57 pm:
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    I plan on posing some of these questions to the BOCS tomorrow.

  36. MP Resident said on 31 Mar 2008 at 9:12 pm:
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    “What bothers me about what the Mexican Consul is doing, is they are giving out passports to those that are already in our country illegally.”

    The matricula consular is not a passport. Mexico would not be so stupid as to hand out passports the way they do matricula consular cards. The reason is that if a country starts handing out passports to people without suitable proof of their identity, then other countries would stop accepting passports from that country.

    Mexico does hand out matricula consular cards to people without suitable proof of their identity. See this link:

    http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress03/mccraw062603.htm

    Given that, anyone who accepts a matricula consular card as a valid form of ID might as well not even bother asking for any ID.

  37. Luckyduck said on 31 Mar 2008 at 9:45 pm:
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    You’re right MP Resident, a matricula consular is NOT a passport and according to information given at some of those public meetings, the PWCPD does NOT recognize them as valid Identification. Did you know that in many instances, the Consulate, when printing the matricula consulars, does not ask for other proofs of identification to obtain one? No, PWCPD does not accept this form alone as valid identification.

    Did you know that Mexicans Without Borders also issues ID cards? According to the information presented, PWCPD does not accept this form of ID either.

  38. Purple said on 31 Mar 2008 at 10:10 pm:
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    Regarding what Freedom said on 31 Mar 2008 at 7:35 pm, “No PWC employee, not even supevisors, should conduct secretive, uncoordinated meetings with representatives of any foreign government for any reason. Operative words here are — secret, uncoordinated, and representatives of foreign governments. That’s pretty simple and straightforward.”

    Freedom, Where in the Federal or State Constitution or any County policy is the Chief of Police prohibited from meeting with representatives of any foreign government?

  39. Greg L said on 31 Mar 2008 at 10:17 pm:
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    Purple, the citation you’re looking for is Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution.

  40. starryflights said on 31 Mar 2008 at 10:38 pm:
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    Has anyone seen the latest Mexican Matricula Cards? I am a little concerned that some dealings are going on where a new type of card might be designed and handed out that the PWCPD will accept as ID from illegal aliens. This is what happens when an authority goes behind closed doors with foreign government agents and we can only guess what might have transpired. We know that Latino countries want their illegal alien citizens to stay put in the USA and will do whatever they can to make that happen. Even if Deane talks tomorrow night, will we get the full story or just a part of it? This whole thing is very upsetting. I hope that Stewart and Stirrup get to the bottom of this. Where is Covington and May in all of this? I guess we might find out tomorrow. I need to go find a blank VHS tape.

  41. Maureen Wood said on 31 Mar 2008 at 11:03 pm:
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    MP Resident -They ARE giving out passports here on American soil. Below are three examples for you.

    “Despite increased demand, the consular office in Washington DC has reduced the time for processing passports by 25%. The office is one of the most efficient consular offices in the United States, generating about 2 milliondollars’ worth of services with a staff of nine people. ”

    .

    http://www.nwherald.com/articles/2007/04/06/news/local/doc461607e95e7ed901638874.txt

    Cristo Rey Community Center, 1717 N. High Street
    Mobile Consulate Office
    Passports and Matriculas Consular Services
    8:00am – 2:00pm
    Cristo Rey Community Center & Mexican Consulate’s Office
    Contact: John Roy Castillo

  42. Bob Wills said on 31 Mar 2008 at 11:20 pm:
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    Purple said on 31 Mar 2008 at 10:10 pm:
    Regarding what Freedom said on 31 Mar 2008 at 7:35 pm, “No PWC employee, not even supevisors, should conduct secretive, uncoordinated meetings with representatives of any foreign government for any reason. Operative words here are — secret, uncoordinated, and representatives of foreign governments. That’s pretty simple and straightforward.”

    Freedom, Where in the Federal or State Constitution or any County policy is the Chief of Police prohibited from meeting with representatives of any foreign government?

    Greg L said on 31 Mar 2008 at 10:17 pm:
    Purple, the citation you’re looking for is Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution.

    Greg below is Article II section 2 of the constitution. Did you miss quote the article and section?

    Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.

    He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law: but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.

    The President shall have power to fill up all vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate, by granting commissions which shall expire at the end of their next session.

  43. Greg L said on 31 Mar 2008 at 11:48 pm:
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    No, I have not mis-quoted the wrong section here. The power to “make treaties”, “appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls” carries with it an implication, that has been validated by the Supreme Court, that the President is the sole authority on matters of foreign policy. Since this is an enumerated power, the Tenth Amendment does not confer on the states or the people the authority to engage in foreign policy.

    Unfortunately, not all constitutional law is readily apparent from the plain words of the Constitution.

  44. Greg L said on 1 Apr 2008 at 12:17 am:
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    It’s probably also worth noting that Sections 1 and 3 also have related clauses:

    Section 1. The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States….

    Section 3. …he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed…

    There are some cases where authority is delegated to the Senate (advice and consent, agreement with treaties, etc.) and that Congress as a whole has the power to appropriate funds, the actual execution of foreign policy has been interpreted to be a Presidential power. Congress in fact established penalties for those who attempted to execute foreign policy to the detriment of our national interests under such laws as the Logan Act.

  45. Anonymous said on 1 Apr 2008 at 2:09 am:
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    Indigenous from El salvador

    I think that you all will collapse by next year because the next president of usa will help all these people.
    enjoy your period of time.
    I love this country and it has to come back to the normal way like before.

  46. Krutis said on 1 Apr 2008 at 5:55 am:
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    Will the Supervisor meeting tonight be televised? If so, which channel and at what time?

  47. Anonymous said on 1 Apr 2008 at 6:24 am:
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    I don’t care what kind of cards they are passing out, it doesn’t make them here legally. What’s the difference between that and a drivers license? So they can use it for ID. So what. It’s like anything else they do, once they need to be someone else they will just get a new card.
    Am I missing something here or are these cards really nothing that makes me feel like we are stopping illegals from being here illegally. Since when does an ID card handed to someone make them magically ok to be here illegally?
    What Deane needed to tell them at this meeting was ID card or not if you area here illegally and you break the law-hasta luega.(sp).

  48. Purple said on 1 Apr 2008 at 8:38 am:
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    What Greg L said on 31 Mar 2008 at 10:17 pm:
    Purple, the citation you’re looking for is Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution.

    What Greg L said on 31 Mar 2008 at 10:17 pm: “Purple, the citation you’re looking for is Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution.”

    I disagree. There are two schools of thought on the Constitution. The conservative view supports the strict interpretation of the Constitution. As an example, The case currently before the Supreme Court regarding the II amendment, Parker vs. DC, addresses the meaning of a comma in the Second Amendment. The liberal view supports freely interpreting the constitution to expand its meaning (and the power of the Federal Government). The X amendment was added to ensure, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or too the people.”

    I take the conservative view (some might say the Jeffersonian view). Chief Deane is not negotiating treaties. He is conducting PWC business. Nothing in the Constitution prohibits these meetings.

    The Constitution “is what it is.“ The County Supervisor, County Attorney, and the majority of the BOCS agrees with this interpretation (de facto, making the point moot). I’m surprised that a conservative web site would actually welcome Federal interference in this County (or State’s) right to manage its affairs. You may disagree with the Chief and his actions; however, using the Constitution as the basis of your disagreement is a stretch. It is also a disservice to those Conservatives dedicated to the strict intrepitation of the Constitution in the interests if protecting indiidual rights and small Government.

  49. 999 said on 1 Apr 2008 at 8:50 am:
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    Purple on 31 Mar 2008 at 3:22 pm:

    Media/Radio

    3/26/2008 Panorama Latino
    3/26/2008 Radio Fiesta
    3/25/2008 LaLay Radio Station
    3/19/2008 Louise Schiavone - CNN
    3/14/2008 El Zol Radio Station
    3/6/2008 Washington Post
    3/5/2008 ArloWagner - Washington Times
    3/5/2008 Alberto Ojeda - Nuevo Horizontes
    3/3/2008 Radio America
    1/18/2008 Justice Talking Radio Show - NPR
    10/23/2007 Sky News w/ Lisa Holland

    10/23/2007 News Channel 8
    10/19/2007 WMAL Radio Show Live
    9/27/2007 Fiesta 1480 Radio

    It would seem to me that it would be more effective for Chief Deane to send his “public education with regard to the rule of law resolution information” directly to the Latino radio stations. There does not seem to be a lack of them according to the list above. Periodic re-broadcasts of Chief Deane’s sound bytes would preclude having to have him travel around the area to re-hash the same old story. Let the Latino radio stations inform their audience of the rule of law resolution and what the police will/will not do to enforce it.

  50. 999 said on 1 Apr 2008 at 8:55 am:
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    Maureen Wood said on 31 Mar 2008 at 11:03 pm:
    MP Resident -They ARE giving out passports here on American soil. Below are three examples for you.

    “Despite increased demand, the consular office in Washington DC has reduced the time for processing passports by 25%. The office is one of the most efficient consular offices in the United States, generating about 2 milliondollars’ worth of services with a staff of nine people. ”

    The can had out all the passports they want but if they don’t have a valid entry stamp into this country, they are WORTHLESS.

  51. starryflights said on 1 Apr 2008 at 9:10 am:
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    How easy is it to forge an entry stamp in a passport? Maybe there is another stamp in the works to legitimatize the passport for ID by our local authorities. Again, with secret meetings behind closed doors with Deane and foreign government agents that want nothing more than to keep their illegal alien citizens in this country, we have no idea what has transpired. I hope we get some answers this afternoon.

  52. Bob Wills said on 1 Apr 2008 at 9:38 am:
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    Greg L said on 31 Mar 2008 at 11:48 pm:
    No, I have not mis-quoted the wrong section here. The power to “make treaties”, “appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls” carries with it an implication, that has been validated by the Supreme Court, that the President is the sole authority on matters of foreign policy. Since this is an enumerated power, the Tenth Amendment does not confer on the states or the people the authority to engage in foreign policy.

    Unfortunately, not all constitutional law is readily apparent from the plain words of the Constitution.

    Greg

    You are so far off base on your analysis to defy any logic. What are you afraid of? A Chief of Police or any other government employee is not making foreign policy by talking with some one. I may not agree with they tone of your Blog but you did show this week that you have only one agenda and that is to get rid of Latinos. It is not about illegal immigrants but only one specific race. This past week in the MJM about a SPA was raided by the police and three asain women were arrested and put into jail and no bond allowed because of possibly being illegal imagrants. Not one line about this by you. You have lost any credibility. Maybe some crime is OK with you and others are not depending on who is doing it?

  53. Advocator said on 1 Apr 2008 at 10:20 am:
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    If Chief Deane is doing his job, the comfort ladies at the spa will also be picked up by ICE.

  54. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 1 Apr 2008 at 10:35 am:
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    I am having a hard time with this “authority to engage in foreign policy” bit.

    I personally did not see this as a foreign policy issue, but an informational one. I do not agree that the Spanish was not translated for those without the benefit of knowing the language. That is wrong.

    I do agree with the Chief going out in an outreach position to help dispel rumors about the resolution. Information is power. I see this as a positive since most of the information the attendees have received was from MWB and their ilk.

  55. Lafayette said on 1 Apr 2008 at 10:41 am:
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    M64,
    Take a look at this article regarding the Chairman and the Chief. http://www.insidenova.com/isn/news/local/article/stewart_backs_off_criticism_of_deane/5781/

  56. Bob Wills said on 1 Apr 2008 at 10:42 am:
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    Advocator said on 1 Apr 2008 at 10:20 am:
    If Chief Deane is doing his job, the comfort ladies at the spa will also be picked up by ICE.

    Well they were arrested and turned over to ICE per the article in the MJM. I guess equal enforcement of the law is not on Stewarts, Stirrpu or Greg’s list to give thanks for.

    Stewart is so insecure and incompentant that he does not want freedom of information because one of these days the public is just going to see him for what he is and that is not a leader. He can nto even handle citizens time with out having an old man forced out of the chamber by to big plain clolths police. The old man was an veteran but who cares.

  57. Lafayette said on 1 Apr 2008 at 10:58 am:
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    Mr. Wills,
    I hated seeing Mr. Crone taken out of there that day. I found that to be one of the most DISGUSTING things I’ve ever witnessed. Mr. Crone can be fiesty, but to have him “escorted” out of there was pathetic. We can all be fiesty at times, true?
    BTW- I certainly did and continue to care that he was a veteran, and a senior to boot.
    **I have pictures of the incident, it pissed me off royally**

  58. MP Resident said on 1 Apr 2008 at 11:06 am:
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    “MP Resident -They ARE giving out passports here on American soil. Below are three examples for you.”

    I had read that this is because many of them want to leave and go home. Not sure why they need a passport for that but we can only hope it’s true.

  59. starryflights said on 1 Apr 2008 at 11:17 am:
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    If they have a Mexican passport with no US stamp of entry, are they able to cross over to Canada and be legit?

  60. Advocator said on 1 Apr 2008 at 11:35 am:
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    Bob and Laf:

    Crone was out of time and wouldn’t crap or get off the pot. He deserved the escort, which in my opinion was done too civilly and gently. As a veteran he should have known that you either play by the rules or get stepped on.

  61. Lafayette said on 1 Apr 2008 at 11:57 am:
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    Advocator,
    Yes, he was over his time. However, look at that guy what harm was he going to do. I agree we all should play by the rules. I would’ve liked to have spoke for three minutes myself that day, but the rules were changed at the last minute. I did accept the rules and play by them as all but one did. Yes, he should’ve known better.

    What would have had them done?
    I think next time they should call in the “horsey women”. ;)

  62. Advocator said on 1 Apr 2008 at 12:17 pm:
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    Lafayett:

    My point was, Corey handled it as well as it could be handled, but you know me, I’m for calling in the Horseywomen for anything at anytime!

  63. Dolph said on 1 Apr 2008 at 12:18 pm:
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    It sounds like the BOCS had every right to escort the old guy out…but on the other hand, was it the best way to handle it?

    Sometimes we are judged by our humanity rather than by our ablilty to enforce the rules. Greatness is rarely determined by one’s ability to enforce the rules.

  64. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 1 Apr 2008 at 12:32 pm:
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    Lafayette said on 1 Apr 2008 at 11:57 am:

    I forgot to tell you I saw the horsey women ride through Westgate the other day.

  65. Patty said on 1 Apr 2008 at 12:47 pm:
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    /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award),

    I was wondering why you chided me on giving Senator Colgan the benefit of a doubt and then you seem to indirectly chide me on asking why a foreign agent wants to involve himself with the education process that the Chief is carrying out. I do have a problem with agents for foreign governments involving themselves in local government actions. Does it hurt to ask questions?

    By the way, I haven’t seen you comment too much lately. I’m glad to see you back.

  66. Lafayette said on 1 Apr 2008 at 2:04 pm:
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    Medic,
    Thanks for the horsey update.
    Dolph,
    Maybe Sudley is next. I know you like HW as much as Advocator.

  67. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 1 Apr 2008 at 2:22 pm:
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    Patty said on 1 Apr 2008 at 12:47 pm:

    I thought my posts have been a wait and see attitude on the chief’s issue. I gave Colgan the benefit of the doubt, but I didn’t jump on the bandwagon of excitement until I saw him get some teeth into his legislation, which he really didn’t, IMHO.

    As far as the Chief’s meeting, I think information is power and if the Chief was able to meet with the people and the Consul was present to ask questions, then why was there such a fuss? I didn’t jump onto the fire the PWCPD Chief band wagon either.

    Patty,

    I haven’t been commenting lately because it seems this si the same circle every time. I get tired of typing out the same responses to different people all the time. I am a graduate of the hunt and peck typing school ® SO I am not that fast at typing things out. Besides I get busty with other things in my day as well.

  68. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 1 Apr 2008 at 2:23 pm:
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    LOL…busty….busy, damn typing skills!!

  69. Bob Wills said on 1 Apr 2008 at 5:20 pm:
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    Advocator said on 1 Apr 2008 at 11:35 am:
    Bob and Laf:

    Crone was out of time and wouldn’t crap or get off the pot. He deserved the escort, which in my opinion was done too civilly and gently. As a veteran he should have known that you either play by the rules or get stepped on

    What rule does whom have to obey? The published rule that says Citizens have three minutes to speak or Stewarts change that limit citizens time to less then 3 minutes and to change it again and then to offer some people the right to speak for more then three minutes to speak which he can not do?

    Stewart caused the problem in his lack of leardership and desire to get on TV.

  70. Patty said on 1 Apr 2008 at 6:06 pm:
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    /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award)

    Well I always have to cut and paste your handle. It is not easy for me to type it.

    I do want to clear up something. I’ve always have a problem with agents of Federal governments getting involved in local government affairs. Remember they do not put their hand on the Bible and promise God that they will uphold, defend and protect the Consitution of the United States. They have interests soley for their country only. Would you expect any different? Also, remember that Channel 9 news reported that the Consulate sponsored that meeting. I think citizens should ask questions about that. Yes, I did call the State Department. The two people that I talked with were not sure whether or not that was appropriate. In fact they referred me to someone else. I still haven’t received a call back yet.

    I do think Chairman Stewart was right to ask questions. After all he was getting a diluge of phone calls. Was he to ignore them? I for one am glad he didn’t. I was one of the many who called his office.

    I do think in the future there needs to be more trasparancy and better communication. If the County Executive knew about the meeting couldn’t he have notified the Board? Then when citizens see headlines in newspapers and call their supervisors, the supervisors can adequately answer questions that the citizen’s have.

    Even though I’ve seen comments on here saying it is not a big deal, it sure was a big deal for the local papers and Channel 9 news. By the way looks like the Examiner was the first one with the big scoop.

    I hope to see you post more comments. I don’t type very well myself. Some have picked on my typing skills (Krusty). Sometimes the fingers fly but don’t hit the right keys.

  71. Dolph said on 2 Apr 2008 at 12:27 pm:
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    Lafayette,

    Yes I do like the equestrian unit, but I am sure my reasons are far different from those of Advocator;)

    I wish they would make a trip down Sudley Manor Drive.

    clip clop clip clop

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