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Kilgore Was Right
By Greg L | 2 April 2008 | Virginia Politics | 25 Comments
Jerry Kilgore told us that we couldn’t trust Tim Kaine’s assertions that he would support the death penalty in Virginia. Looks like he was right on the money. This ad talks about the very same illegal alien cop-killer that Governor Kaine gave a reprieve to the other day.
I’ll bet that Kaine never bothered to ask Kelly Timbrook whether sparing this piece of garbage who killed her husband would have been a good idea.
H/T: A View From The Cheap Seats
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So I guess this means Kaine violated the constitution to satisfy a personal vendetta.
I would say it is more about backing up your commitment made to voters before the election.
From Factcheck.org
The interviewers were questioning Kaine on what has become a central issue in the campaign. Kaine has a long history of opposition to the death penalty – and also abortion – on grounds that his Roman Catholic faith teaches that human life is sacred. That’s not a popular position in Virginia, which has executed more prisoners than any other state save Texas.
But Kaine has said that he will carry out executions if elected. He appears in one of his own ads, saying “I take my oath of office seriously, and I’ll enforce the death penalty.” In another ad, Kaine says “I’ll enforce death sentences handed down by Virginia juries because that’s the law.”
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Now we have:
Virginia governor orders moratorium on executions because of pending Supreme Court case
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Why are we holding off enforcing existing law on a possibility of a change in the law?
Your honor, I reserve the right to hold off paying for my crime of ( insert crime here) because, you know, they might change the punishment, in ( insert time frame here).
Funny that Timmy has not stuck his neck out to reduce the number of abortions in Virginia.
This is weird, I don’t understand why Timmy is choosing to piss people off by going out against the death penalty. Does any one here know how this move benefits him politically?
Greg, I’m absolutely no fan of Tim Kaine, but the following quote is from your own link in the thread on this issue previous to this one:
“In order to await the Supreme Court’s ruling in Baze, and respecting the national legal consensus that no execution go forward until that time, I grant a temporary reprieve of the execution date for Edward Nathaniel Bell, currently scheduled for April 8, until July 24, 2008,” Kaine says in a written statement. “This temporary reprieve will allow for issuance of the Supreme Court decision and consideration of whether its outcome has any effect upon the merits of Mr. Bell’s legal claims or request for clemency.”
This is only a TEMPORARY reprieve, with a specific execution date in the near future, predicated upon a determination based upon the Supreme Court decision on MEANS of execution. That does not necessarily mean that Bell, or anyone else, will not be executed. Now, should Kaine THEN find some excuse not to execute a convicted cop killer sentenced to the death penalty by a jury of his peers, I’ll be the first in line to castigate him!
AWC - A voice of reason! Thanks!
Nick,
He is doing it because he is a liberal, and is jockeying for national office under either Obama or Hillary. Timmy is just another tool of the far left whose true colors are coming though now that he is in office.
AW,
You can bet Timmy is hoping for some sort of favorable ruling that would allow him to keep the reprieve, or to come up with a study group as Maryland has done. If you still have confidence in anything Timmy says, I guess there really is nothing else to say.
It’s not a question of confidence, COM…it’s a question of objective reasoning. Unless you have something objective, rather than subjective, to offer, I’d take that into consideration as well.
AW,
He lied about his support for the second amendment. He lied about taxes. He lied about illegals. He lied about the DP. I’d say that is pretty objective.
If VA tried to execute the trash on death row, a federal judge would stop the execution pending the supreme court decision, why waste taxpayer money on defending an appeal when you know you’re going to lose. I didn’t hear Bob McDonnell complaining about the governors action.
Perhaps you should read my entire comment COM. I was ONLY addressing this one issue that has been raised…not every issue on the menu. I’m no fan of Tim Kaine, never have been, and I’m well aware of his lack of veracity during the campaign…that’s a no-brainer. In this particular case, however, what I stated happens to be a direct quote and a matter of record. He needs to be held to that…or are you more interested in being able to point fingers at him for lying than you are to see that justice is done for the family of that dead policeman?
AW,
Of course I want justice for the family, Timmy Kaine is the one that does not want that, and I suppose you are willing to give him the benefit of doubt on that. I am not, and that is why I listed the other issues where Timmy has lied to show that Timmy cannot be trusted one bit on any issue.
As I said, Timmy has come up with any number of excuses to not follow the law and the DP, and is just using the SC case as an excuse to further his agenda. As I said, I’m willing to bet that even with an unfavorable decision(in his opinion) by the Court, Timmy will still find a way to delay future DP cases, because he does not support the DP.
Most of you seem not to care about the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court rules; the lower echelons obey. Isn’t that what our country is all about.? Or do you prefer a lawless Virginia?
Just for the record, I can’t stand gov. Timmy. He just recently really torqued me with the anti-gun stuff he has been up to. I could see how that could help him politically, but I was just wondering how being anti-death penalty would help him politically. Thanks, CitizenofManassas, for your reply. I can see how that stupid decision would help him in the national scene to get a position out of Billary or B. Hussein Obama.
Kurtis,
I believe that is what you want in your support of illegals. However, as someone pointed out, the SC case is only on lethal injection, not about the hot seat, or Old sparky, if you will.
Nick,
You are welcome. And, since Timmy has endorsed Obama, I’d say he is sniffing up his backside. Timmy knows he only has two years left on his term and then he is out of office. He has no other place to go after this term is up other then a National office since both Senate races are pretty much out of reach for him at this time.
So, let me get this straight. You want the Governor to piss away tax dollars and waste hours of time of state employees to proceed with the execution even though everyone with an intellect above that of a low grade moron knows that the execution will be stayed by the Supreme Court until it rules on Baze v. Rees.
As I am sure you are aware, the Supreme Court has not allowed any executions since it took up this case. It will issue its ruling in June and Bell’s execution has now been set for July 24th.
It is hard to imagine that this Supreme Court, with seven of its nine Justices appointed by Republicans — a Supreme Court that is arguably the most conservative in nearly a century — would somehow find the death penalty unconstitutional. And the death penalty itself is not at issue before the Court. Only the issue of the method of execution conforming to the Eighth Amendment is being argued. So you might have to electrocute Bell. Or you might have to hang him. Or you might have to shoot him. But there is no question that he will be executed.
There really is no issue with Virginia’s executing Bell for his crime here at all. The Governor’s action does only two things. It prevents the wasting of taxpayers dollars and it presents a golden opportunity for his opponents to demagogue the issue and score cheap political points.
Regardless of one’s position on the death penalty, the lack of integrity of your post is breathtaking.
Dan,
Wasting of money? Was that Timmy’s excuse for his opposition to past cases? The only breathtaking is on you and your not being able to see what Timmy is up to. If Timmy is so interested in saving our tax money, why was he busy trying to spend even more of during the GA session?
As you pointed out there is more then one way for the DP to be carried out. I hardly think that would be a problem to do so now.
Justice should be swiftly executed.
COM,
As a practical matter, it would likely be more of a problem to try to execute Bell by a method other than lethal injection on the original date set. I am not an expert on these matters, but I imagine it would take some time to arrange for a different method of execution. There are protocols and training needed to adopt another method.
The folks who are charged with carrying out these sentences are professionals who take the proper performance of their duty very seriously. It isn’t a matter of just “firing up ol’ Sparky”. Even if some of the more blood thirsty among those being tossed red meat by blogs like this would like to think so.
In all probability Bell will be executed July 24th by lethal injection. I doubt the Court will find an Eighth Amendment problem with it. All Kaine has done is act as a responible executive. Something he should do and something I’d like to think Kilgore would have done had he been elected.
And if concern for Mrs. Timbrook is considered — and it certainly should be — then Kaine’s action was the proper one. Getting right up to the original date and then having the Court stay it (as we all know it would in this case) adds to the pain of the victim’s family. Putting the victim’s family through that emotional roller coaster just to score cheap political points isn’t the sort of behavior I look for in candidates for public office.
Fire away at Kaine for legitimate disagreements on policy. That’s fair game. But he is completely correct in his action in this case.
Well of course it is not just a matter of sparking up old smokey, but I do believe there are enough experienced workers in our Commonwealth that are more then ready in a short period of time to carry out the sentence.
Again, Kaine will just find another excuse to point off the date, talk about attempting to string this out.
Here is what Timmy said, according to the AP..
Kaine said the reprieve for Bell “will allow for issuance of the Supreme Court decision and consideration of whether its outcome has any effect upon the merits of Mr. Bell’s legal claims or request for clemency.”
It seems Timmy is open to clemency even if the SC rules in favor of the DP.
Timmy is the one attempting to score political points. He is after all a tool of the far left, and while he gave lip service to the abortion issue, funny he has not worked to end abortion in the commonwealth. But, he sure is attempting to do that with the DP.
I hate to say it, but this is why we need 2 term Governor’s in the Commonwealth. With only one term, you get candidates who will absolutely say ANYTHING to get elected. Then, once in office can do the exact opposite and we as voters have no re-course. Tim Kaine said he would’t raise taxes, then waited until day 3 of the 2006 General Assembly to propose a tax increase. Said he would uphold the death penalty handed down by Virginia’s because “that is the law”, and on the VERY FIRST OPPORTUNITY back in 2006 to stay an execution in Virginia, he did. He has also had I think 3 or 4 others, and now this moratorium. I guess he learned how to lie pretty well under buck-tooth Warner. Although, at least Warner will be held accountable, FINALLY! I love all these libs who think Warner is going to cruise to re-election. Just wait till some of Warner’s Gov Campaign ads start hitting the airwaves about him not raising taxes, amongst other things. That 65% popularity level will start dropping rather quickly.
Why do I feel that Kaine’s only TRUE agenda is his OWN. By that, I mean that he is obviously using the Va. Governor position to step up to a higher level governement position. There is nothing wrong with this, but in his case it appears that he is not going to make any serious improvements in the way of living in Virginia, because he is more concern upon the reflection that he will be left with that might deter with his future intentions. In otherwords, do NOT expect him to do anything to address the problems that his constituents inform him that they would like him to address, but instead he will address the same old, same old, that never progesses anyway…(e.g. transportation)
I’m glad to know John Allen Muhammad will not get the death penalty.
He only murdered 10 people and caused panic throughout all of Virginia.
That was the reason, after all, he was tried in Virginia - so he could get the death penalty.
But hey, Tim Kaine seems to think that John Allen Muhammad deserves clemency. He knows more than a jury of Virginians.
That, by the way, is the political hot button to push. Those shootings are still fresh in the minds of every Virginian. A few commercials asking why Tim Kaine seems to think John Allen Muhammad deserves to live out the rest of his life peacefully would cause him to back off.
Well, Timmy does not have any excuses now.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24158627
So where’s the retraction on this? Kaine has lifted his moratorium on executions (just as he said he would) now that the Supreme Court has ruled. In fact, COM, the very article you link to with the smarmy “Well, Timmy does not have any excuses now” states in the first sentence of the second paragraph (if you bothered to read that far), “Virginia immediately lifted its moratorium.”
Looks like, once again, Chicken Little has found a home on BVBL.