There are lots of people who do not support the deportation of illegals, all of them. Just last week, the MJM, ran a letter to the editor that complained about the raid at CMC. Of course the letter writer said why should we pick on those “hard working” men. Included in the group of men was at least one who was a convicted felon.

The folks who are associated with MWB spoke out against the 287G program the City of Manassas is in, and they did not single out they support the program only for the “criminal” illegals.

There were a lot of Dems in the Senate who voted to allow Felons to gain Citizenship. So, I think I would tend to not agree with your statement about people wanting to deport the “criminal” illegals.

Just “for the record”, here is an excerpt from the ICE website:
State and local patrol officers, detectives, investigators and correctional officers working in conjunction with ICE gain: necessary resources and authority TO PURSUE INVESTIGATIONS RELATING TO VIOLENT CRIMES, HUMAN SMUGGLING, GANG/ORGANIZED CRIME ACTIVITY, SEXUAL-RELATED OFFENSES, NARCOTICS SMUGGLING AND MONEY LAUNDERING . . . http://www.ice.gov/partners/287g/Section287_g.htm

I’m citing this because I support their goal. The most common misunderstanding is that when local jurisdictions participate in the 287(g) program, citizens expect the police to arrest and deport every illegal (or suspected illegal) alien.

I just wish we didn’t have to pay for their detention in our jails while ICE gets its act together.

In fact, ICE does not have the funds, personnel, or detention space to grab up everyone and send them back. They don’t even have the means to locate, detain, and deport enough of the serious offenders. Therefore, ICE is relying on local jurisdictions to help detain and deport SERIOUS FELONS (MAJOR crimes) so they won’t be released back onto our streets after serving a jail sentence. FINE.

Sorry, I did get the correctly informed confused with the level headed.

Deportation is going to happen, which is exactly what the 287g program is all about. The Federal Government also has a program where they fly back illegals all the time. Also, what do you think they do with the illegals they catch along the border? They send them back over.

Yes, they may pay a fine and spend time in jail, but the Government is not going to allow them to stay in the Country.

Also, I think it is clear the proper term to use is Alien, not “undocumented” not immigrant, but illegal alien.

Thanks. The problem as I see it is too many if not just about every illegal alien supporter/apologist have backed themselves into a corner and cannot get out by claiming illegals are only here to work hard and to raise families that they are otherwise “law abiding” etc.

Or, they will down play the criminal action of the illegals, or attempt to counter Americans commit crime too. Well, ya Americans commit crimes, I don’t believe anyone has claimed that is not the case, so that is a pretty weak argument to use in defense of people who are in affect criminals at all time, since their crime is to be in the Country illegally.

This occurred in the area of Herdnon Parkway. I believe that is in the Town of Herndon; not in Fairfax County or Falls Church. It was prosecuted in Federal Court.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/01/AR2005090102143.html

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/vae/Pressreleases/09-SeptemberPDFArchive/05/20050901alfarofuentesnr.pdf

Correct me if I’m wrong, but Chief Toussaint is the head of the NORTHERN VIRGINIA Regional Gang Task Force. It includes areas such as Alexandria, Arlington, Falls Church, Chantilly, Leesburg, AND Manassas. In fact, it has always been that way, and was I believe, championed by Frank Wolf.

Indeed, the gang activity and large presence in Herndon is a case study, together with LA’s, which is carefully studied by several agencies because of the high mobility and networking ability of the members and because of notable criminal cases in that area.

The only notable case I think of in the Herndon area was the unfortunate bike-by that happened in 2004. However, if you have more cases to show to me - you are more than welcome to do so. Just make sure you have your facts straight, as we have already established you incorrectly attributed the machete slayings to Herndon.

But I suggest that before you go spouting off about other cities’ citizens that you take a sniff at your own backside.

Perhaps you should take your own advice in this case. I was not able to find any mention of the study you speak of between LA and Herndon on JSTOR, and you would think I would. You incorrectly claim violence in Herndon that happened in another city, yet complain when someone saying anything about Manassas.

I too, have lived in Manassas because it was close to class, and the prices were cheap. I guess I don’t know where you live, but in MY time in Manassas I found it just as congested (especially on 234 or RT 28), just as overpopulated and there were just as many parks, trees and lakes. They really aren’t that different at all - expect you guys have Nissan Pavilion out there, which let me tell you - I couldn’t even leave my house on a summer Friday night if I wanted to when I lived out there.

We both have bars downtown, Jimmy’s is like Mackey’s and Ice House is like City Grille, we both have our own Town Hall and court houses, we both managed to stay as a town or city and we both do EXCELLENT firework displays on the Fourth of July. And finally, we both face the serious issue of over population from the Hispanic community - be them legal or illegal.

Herndon and Manassas are NOT so different. The only difference is, you don’t see a Herndon blogger going to write a post on his blog with contains inflammatory half-truths and unsubstantiated claims regarding Manassas’s elections. At least I haven’t.

Instead of all this ridiculous infighting, maybe we should work together to solve our problems.

And oh yeah, I’m sure you all were not happy about the fact that I called Manassas “Manass-hole” and “Dum-asses” before. I’m not going to apologize, because in my age group we give nicknames to everywhere we live. Dum-assas got it’s name from the sign on 95, where it says Dumfries / Manassas… We call Leesburg “Sleesburg” (coming north from Maryland there’s actually a sign pointing to go South on 15 where it actually says “S Leesburg”), Herndon is Herndonia (cause going downtown is like a trip back in time) or Hernandez (obvious reasoning), Ashburn is Cashburn (it’s were the wealthy go!), Richmond is the RVA, Woodbridge is Hoodbridge (all we had to do was change a letter there!) and the list goes on…. it has nothing to do about disrespect, and everything to do with the fact that we’re able to laugh about where we bounce to and from.

you obviously keep thinking that I have never visited the environs of Herndon, but this is where you “afar” comment makes you look ridiculous. I have lived in Herndon, and one of the reason why i left was because it was drab, overpopulated, lacking parks and vegetation and generally lacking in any discernible charm. It may surprise you to know that a lot of people left Fairfax County, not because of cheaper prices but to have acreage, something which in Herndon has been erased from memory.

In addition, you have just made my argument by asserting that your chief of Police was one of the first in the nation to create a gang task force. If there were no gangs or gang violence, why would there be a need for such a response? Indeed, the gang activity and large presence in Herndon is a case study, together with LA’s, which is carefully studied by several agencies because of the high mobility and networking ability of the members and because of notable criminal cases in that area.

In fact there is not much difference between Manassas and Herndon except maybe the tree count and the ethnic diversity, the latter being much more pronounced in Herndon. But I will take the parks, trees and lakes of PW before the congestion, dirt and chaotic overpopulation of Herndon or (gulp) Arlington.

But I suggest that before you go spouting off about other cities’ citizens that you take a sniff at your own backside. I find it entertaining that you and other FC citizens take umbrage at our talking of your town, when you insult the citizens of Manassas or PWC.

I don’t know who Level-Headed is, but it’s not me. I think it’s pretty safe to assume that Level-Headed is significantly older than me.

This is pure slander, and if it was posted in a newspaper or any creditable source besides your blog, a retraction would have to be made. I find it deplorable, especially since I attended Herndon High with Rob Passarelli, that you would use his fathers death to further your cause.

Do you know that Jose Santos Sibrian Espinoza, the man responsible was someone who sought work at the Day Labor Center? Because I don’t - and the incident happened nowhere near the Day Labor Center. If you want to rail about the fact that he should have been deported long before he was - then fine, I agree with you… but connecting it to the Day Labor Center and using the memory of a well known and loved member of the Herndon community to assert your own selfish views is deplorable.

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Your law professor would have been very disappointed with you if he followed some of your “legal opinions” on this forum.

Jose Santos Sibrian Espinoza and his brother were regulars at the day labor center. They were among the 70% to 80% who were rarely hired out. His brother was a witness to the murder, failed to report the crime, yet was shielded by H&H [a tax funded program contractor] when the police stopped by the center to question him.

With your obvious “compassion” for the illegals, of course you would find any reference to such a deplorable act a bone of contention and try to dismiss it. It disputes everything you’ve posted up to now.

The Day Labor Center was a failed experiment forced down the throats of Herndon’s voters. The intent [and proven to be so] was to draw illegal aliens to Herndon. O’Reilly missed the mark when he presupposed only the “good guys” would be drawn to the center. Because of this he [and members of the council] fought long and hard to suppress 287(g) which would have saved Mr Passarelli’s life by identifying Espinoza as a criminal with an outstanding felony fugitive warrant and removing him from the community before he had a chance to run him down Mr Passarelli in the street that fateful morning.

This is one of the primary reasons the Mayor and most of the council were ousted. Although you would very much like to dismiss this as insignificant, when a friend and neighbor is taken from this world so needlessly, people don’t forget. They want to ensure future Mayors and Councils represent the people they are elected to serve rather than use them as stepping stone for future political or other aspirations. O’Reilly used the town as a stepping stone for his own personal aspirations.

It is for this reason I support the current council and Mayor and will help fund their campaigns, even though I may not vote in the elections. Although I live in Reston, I have friends in Herndon. Over the years, I have shared their pain and frustration under the O’Reilly reign as neighborhoods were degraded by the boarding houses in neighborhoods that brought blight, violence and crime to the town as it had not seen before. I saw sidewalks and driveways spray painted with slurs by apologists such as yourself [cowards who operate under pseudonyms].

The “piece de resistance”, however was the day the day labor center closed and the righteous ladies representing the Christian and Political factions of Reston Interfaith graciously posed for the photographers with their infamous one-finger salute.

Ironically, when the day labor center closed its doors, not one of these righteous church ladies could convince even one church to set aside a space in their parking lot or in a meeting hall for the day laborers. Even the churches recognized that any incentive to encourage illegal aliens to take haven in Herndon was not good for them or the town. And all churches in Fairfax County have adopted this same attitude.

Since then, Herndon is returning to some semblance of what it used to be [prior to the O’Reilly reign]. Most Herndon voters don’t share your “memories” and they definitely don’t want to take a step backwards.

“Finally, I’ll say this… as a female in her early twenties who has lived in both Herndon and Manassas”

I know people who gained a bit of maturity between their early 20s and when they turned 30.

As for “gaining maturity” – gotta laugh, because with my decade-count, if I’m not mature by now, it’s hopeless!

No, I am not paranoid at all. I was just pointing out that by supporting illegals, it is very likely Herndon will become a haven for them again, and chances are good among them will be gang members who engage in killings and other serious crimes as has been pointed out here and even in the MJM and COMPOST.

Recall the illegal gang member from Montgomery County who was given a slap on the wrist up there, and who once in PW County was quickly taken into custody by the Po Po. Recall, Montgomery County has a work center that is publicly funded. It stands to reason that illegals will go to where they are welcomed without fear of being taken into custody.

Until police nabs them and they don’t bother me or my family or other Herndon citizens, I’m not going to go around worrying about it. You seem to have become totally paranoid.

Sorry, I apologize, I missed one of your posts between the first one and the third one you did a row. So you did cite more than I originally claimed.

:-/ That is what I get for being eager to respond.

No - you cited three sources under your “Read and Weep” comment.

You spoke of statistics without offering relevant peer-reviewed studies to back your claims. Hell, you didn’t even offer newspaper articles in which you got your statistics from. You didn’t offer anything, other than the fact that you said they were the truth.

Sorry - I don’t take your word for it, as I haven’t asked you to take mine since for every post I have made on here regarding anything that I provided to back up my side of the argument, I have linked to other documents that clearly show what I am saying.

I hope some kid in college comes on here and finds this though, I’ve pretty much compiled the basis for a decent paper here.

One was gang related(by an illegal) Three of the domestic killings were committed by an illegal, and one other was committed by an illegal. So a total of the nine, five were committed by illegals.

I linked the stories of the murders by illegals in the above posts.

http://www.pwcgov.org/docLibrary/PDF/007665.pdf You have to go done about half way to find the stats.

Or the ones who work as “independent contractors”.