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	<title>Comments on: Another Big ICE Bust In Northern Virginia</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/</link>
	<description>Blog-Fu for Prince William, Manassas and Manassas Park politics.</description>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-61343</link>
		<dc:creator>AWCheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-61343</guid>
		<description>If you're here illegally Manuel Labor, you should be!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re here illegally Manuel Labor, you should be!</p>
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		<title>By: Manuel Labor</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-61299</link>
		<dc:creator>Manuel Labor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-61299</guid>
		<description>ESTOY ASUSTADA, MUY ASUSTADA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ESTOY ASUSTADA, MUY ASUSTADA!</p>
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		<title>By: El Guapo</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-61263</link>
		<dc:creator>El Guapo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-61263</guid>
		<description>jfk: SA reported seeing illegal immigrants driving expensive vehicles.  He has been asked how he determines the legal status of the occupants of the vehicles.  Until he discloses his method, I will assume that he determines legal status by appearance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jfk: SA reported seeing illegal immigrants driving expensive vehicles.  He has been asked how he determines the legal status of the occupants of the vehicles.  Until he discloses his method, I will assume that he determines legal status by appearance.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-61094</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-61094</guid>
		<description>We need to fire Julie Myers, head of ICE.

Second, Marriott has or is currently managing the Lansdowne Resort. Marriott is a major donor to the political parties and is very well connected.

Many of the Inaugural balls happen at properties that they manage in D.C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to fire Julie Myers, head of ICE.</p>
<p>Second, Marriott has or is currently managing the Lansdowne Resort. Marriott is a major donor to the political parties and is very well connected.</p>
<p>Many of the Inaugural balls happen at properties that they manage in D.C.</p>
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		<title>By: jfk</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-61033</link>
		<dc:creator>jfk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-61033</guid>
		<description>Let's knock off the Guano smear, we all know what that means and it's not funny anymore.

Guapo, you seem intelligent and make good points, but please stop with the brown skin references all the time. This arguement is not racially-based, and you cheapen what you say when you keep trying to inject skin color into the equation. 

God help me, I sound like Dolph :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s knock off the Guano smear, we all know what that means and it&#8217;s not funny anymore.</p>
<p>Guapo, you seem intelligent and make good points, but please stop with the brown skin references all the time. This arguement is not racially-based, and you cheapen what you say when you keep trying to inject skin color into the equation. </p>
<p>God help me, I sound like Dolph <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: El Guapo</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-61020</link>
		<dc:creator>El Guapo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-61020</guid>
		<description>Tazzmax I have no idea whether Tysons' Foods is in violation of any crimes.  If you have proof, then present it.  The fact that they hire a lot of people with brown skin is not sufficient evidence to get a conviction</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tazzmax I have no idea whether Tysons&#8217; Foods is in violation of any crimes.  If you have proof, then present it.  The fact that they hire a lot of people with brown skin is not sufficient evidence to get a conviction</p>
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		<title>By: Pat.Herve</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-61000</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat.Herve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 01:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-61000</guid>
		<description>Guapo,

if you call this spin - " If the SSNO really reads 123-45-6789 - or 000-00-0000 that does not appear genuine."  

Then, I guess I spun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guapo,</p>
<p>if you call this spin - &#8221; If the SSNO really reads 123-45-6789 - or 000-00-0000 that does not appear genuine.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Then, I guess I spun.</p>
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		<title>By: tazzmax</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-60989</link>
		<dc:creator>tazzmax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-60989</guid>
		<description>El Guano, where do you think the robber barons such as "Tysons' Foods" fit into the equation?

   I suppose they are "pure as the driven snow", eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>El Guano, where do you think the robber barons such as &#8220;Tysons&#8217; Foods&#8221; fit into the equation?</p>
<p>   I suppose they are &#8220;pure as the driven snow&#8221;, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: El Guapo</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-60977</link>
		<dc:creator>El Guapo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-60977</guid>
		<description>Pat.Herve wrote: "...Greg L is putting a spin on it."

Greg wrote that those numbers "might" have been used.  You were the one who put a spin on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat.Herve wrote: &#8220;&#8230;Greg L is putting a spin on it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Greg wrote that those numbers &#8220;might&#8221; have been used.  You were the one who put a spin on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat.Herve</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-60976</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat.Herve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-60976</guid>
		<description>El Guapo,

as far as them using ssno's like 123-45-7890 and 000-00-0000, read it at the top of the blog - if that is not correct, then Greg L is putting a spin on it.

I could imagine that a few people could get by using fraudulent documentation, but currently about half of their staff was found out to be illegal.  That is a large number for an employer to not know.  The employer is supposed to be diligent about checking the validity of the documents - do the feds Really want to fix the problem - no they do not.  If they did, there would be more than 1% of employers using it.

Bringing cheap labor to the US is just an extention of the US Globilization movement started years ago in the auto industry.  We outsourced out auto making to the Japanese because it was cheaper (or easier for an American to live beyond his means) - now it is cheaper to bring the labor right here (to mow your lawn, or server you in a rest.).

Has PWC signed up to use E-Verify?  I doubt it.

http://www.vidaenelvalle.com/news/english/story/66983.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>El Guapo,</p>
<p>as far as them using ssno&#8217;s like 123-45-7890 and 000-00-0000, read it at the top of the blog - if that is not correct, then Greg L is putting a spin on it.</p>
<p>I could imagine that a few people could get by using fraudulent documentation, but currently about half of their staff was found out to be illegal.  That is a large number for an employer to not know.  The employer is supposed to be diligent about checking the validity of the documents - do the feds Really want to fix the problem - no they do not.  If they did, there would be more than 1% of employers using it.</p>
<p>Bringing cheap labor to the US is just an extention of the US Globilization movement started years ago in the auto industry.  We outsourced out auto making to the Japanese because it was cheaper (or easier for an American to live beyond his means) - now it is cheaper to bring the labor right here (to mow your lawn, or server you in a rest.).</p>
<p>Has PWC signed up to use E-Verify?  I doubt it.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.vidaenelvalle.com/news/english/story/66983.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.vidaenelvalle.com/news/english/story/66983.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: jfk</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-60967</link>
		<dc:creator>jfk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-60967</guid>
		<description>I agree with Guapo.  Innocent until proven guilty, but if they are guilty or negligent then they should be penalized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Guapo.  Innocent until proven guilty, but if they are guilty or negligent then they should be penalized.</p>
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		<title>By: El Guapo</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-60956</link>
		<dc:creator>El Guapo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-60956</guid>
		<description>I'm white, was born in DC and belong to neither La Raza, Lulac or mecha.  I've never said anything hateful about gringos or any other group.  Not that it matters.  I guess I am an apologist for my brethren though: my fellow Americans.  These business owners are being accused of crime, and despite my repeated requests, no one has provided proof that they have committed a crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m white, was born in DC and belong to neither La Raza, Lulac or mecha.  I&#8217;ve never said anything hateful about gringos or any other group.  Not that it matters.  I guess I am an apologist for my brethren though: my fellow Americans.  These business owners are being accused of crime, and despite my repeated requests, no one has provided proof that they have committed a crime.</p>
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		<title>By: tazzmax</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-60950</link>
		<dc:creator>tazzmax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-60950</guid>
		<description>I'll answer for TDB, ....El Guano, it indicates that you are an "ethno-centric", racist  Re-conquista Gringo hating, apologist for your brethren.

  Let me guess, which of these hate groups do you belong to;....La Raza, LULAC, or MeCha???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll answer for TDB, &#8230;.El Guano, it indicates that you are an &#8220;ethno-centric&#8221;, racist  Re-conquista Gringo hating, apologist for your brethren.</p>
<p>  Let me guess, which of these hate groups do you belong to;&#8230;.La Raza, LULAC, or MeCha???</p>
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		<title>By: El Guapo</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-60946</link>
		<dc:creator>El Guapo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-60946</guid>
		<description>What did I do to make you conclude that my belief is that when it comes to immigration law it's all bets are off?  Be specific.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What did I do to make you conclude that my belief is that when it comes to immigration law it&#8217;s all bets are off?  Be specific.</p>
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		<title>By: TDB</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-60945</link>
		<dc:creator>TDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-60945</guid>
		<description>To El Quapo and all of the other illegal alien apologists:

Funny how you want to state what the law is and demand it be followed when it benefits your argument, but when it comes to immigration law it's all bets are off. Why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To El Quapo and all of the other illegal alien apologists:</p>
<p>Funny how you want to state what the law is and demand it be followed when it benefits your argument, but when it comes to immigration law it&#8217;s all bets are off. Why?</p>
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		<title>By: TDB</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-60943</link>
		<dc:creator>TDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-60943</guid>
		<description>Easy for me...put me on the jury...GUILTY!!

Do you happen to know where to purchase these documents? I'd like to buy a couple of sets.

BTW it's Jockey for me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easy for me&#8230;put me on the jury&#8230;GUILTY!!</p>
<p>Do you happen to know where to purchase these documents? I&#8217;d like to buy a couple of sets.</p>
<p>BTW it&#8217;s Jockey for me!</p>
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		<title>By: El Guapo</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-60940</link>
		<dc:creator>El Guapo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-60940</guid>
		<description>TDB: Maybe you’d be on to something if they only nabbed one illegal. They nabbed 59, repeat cincuenta nueve illegals. Seems pretty apparent the company was not doing their due diligence!!!
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Due diligence constitutes completing and retaining Form I-9 and reviewing documents.  A decent set of fraudulent documents capable of fooling most employers can be obtained for a couple hundred bucks.  The employer views the documents that to the eye look every bit as valid as yours, completes the form and retains the form.  That's all the law requires.

It's easy for someone to sit in their BVD's at a computer and say the employer should be prosecuted.  It's not so easy to accumulate sufficient competent evidence to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TDB: Maybe you’d be on to something if they only nabbed one illegal. They nabbed 59, repeat cincuenta nueve illegals. Seems pretty apparent the company was not doing their due diligence!!!<br />
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Due diligence constitutes completing and retaining Form I-9 and reviewing documents.  A decent set of fraudulent documents capable of fooling most employers can be obtained for a couple hundred bucks.  The employer views the documents that to the eye look every bit as valid as yours, completes the form and retains the form.  That&#8217;s all the law requires.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy for someone to sit in their BVD&#8217;s at a computer and say the employer should be prosecuted.  It&#8217;s not so easy to accumulate sufficient competent evidence to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen 12</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-60937</link>
		<dc:creator>Citizen 12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-60937</guid>
		<description>As I understand, E -verification will work if a social security card is presented by the employee. A social security card is not mandatory nor can an employer specify which type of documentation is to be used. Have you seen the list on the current I-9?  It seems like quite the selection.  Here is a list of the previously used documentation no longer used since the form was updated. Strictly speculation, but perhaps they were removed due to ease of counterfeiting.  

•Five documents have been removed from List A of the List of Acceptable Documents:

Certificate of U.S. Citizenship (Form N-560 or N-561)
Certificate of Naturalization (Form N-550 or N-570)
Alien Registration Receipt Card (I-151)
Unexpired Reentry Permit (Form I-327)
Unexpired Refugee Travel Document (Form I-571)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand, E -verification will work if a social security card is presented by the employee. A social security card is not mandatory nor can an employer specify which type of documentation is to be used. Have you seen the list on the current I-9?  It seems like quite the selection.  Here is a list of the previously used documentation no longer used since the form was updated. Strictly speculation, but perhaps they were removed due to ease of counterfeiting.  </p>
<p>•Five documents have been removed from List A of the List of Acceptable Documents:</p>
<p>Certificate of U.S. Citizenship (Form N-560 or N-561)<br />
Certificate of Naturalization (Form N-550 or N-570)<br />
Alien Registration Receipt Card (I-151)<br />
Unexpired Reentry Permit (Form I-327)<br />
Unexpired Refugee Travel Document (Form I-571)</p>
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		<title>By: TDB</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-60934</link>
		<dc:creator>TDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-60934</guid>
		<description>El Guapo said on 9 Apr 2008 at 12:06 pm: 

Finally, deal with the facts. People here want to prosecute the employer when they have no proof that the employer committed an offense.
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Maybe you'd be on to something if they only nabbed one illegal. They nabbed 59, repeat cincuenta nueve illegals. Seems pretty apparent the company was not doing their due diligence!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>El Guapo said on 9 Apr 2008 at 12:06 pm: </p>
<p>Finally, deal with the facts. People here want to prosecute the employer when they have no proof that the employer committed an offense.<br />
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Maybe you&#8217;d be on to something if they only nabbed one illegal. They nabbed 59, repeat cincuenta nueve illegals. Seems pretty apparent the company was not doing their due diligence!!!</p>
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		<title>By: jfk</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-60930</link>
		<dc:creator>jfk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/04/08/another-big-ice-bust-in-northern-virginia/#comment-60930</guid>
		<description>Thanks for clarifying, Guapo and V1.

To clarify the WMAL report, actually only six of those arrested in PWC were released.  The majority are still in the system.  I stepped out at lunch time and heard this story on WMAL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clarifying, Guapo and V1.</p>
<p>To clarify the WMAL report, actually only six of those arrested in PWC were released.  The majority are still in the system.  I stepped out at lunch time and heard this story on WMAL.</p>
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