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Your Brain-Dead Federal Government

By Greg L | 10 April 2008 | National Politics | 16 Comments

Regulations regarding the use of firearms are supposed to improve safety, right? Here’s a rather plausible scenario where those regulations substantially increase the likelihood of an accidental discharge inside the cabin of a passenger plane. Unbelievable.



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16 Comments

  1. mnd said on 10 Apr 2008 at 12:02 pm:
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    As I understand it the manufacturer’s warning not to use the holster with a loaded handgun was REMOVED for holsters delivered for the FFDO contract, at the insistence of the TSA.

  2. Rob Smalls - Part-Time Commenter, Full Time American said on 10 Apr 2008 at 12:45 pm:
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    Wow. Clearly the people who mandated this have never carried firearms on a regular (or any other) basis. It’s a nice “feel good” to see a combo lock sitting on the holster, but it’s a big red flag to those of us who know you don’t perform any alterations to your handling equipment. And that click at the end of the video is every reason why.

  3. Johnson said on 10 Apr 2008 at 1:35 pm:
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    Having worked around TSA in the course of my duties, this is typical. We advocated a portable lock box, but TSA told us that we didn’t have a clue. What do you expect from an agency that won’t issue metal badges to their officers?

  4. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 10 Apr 2008 at 2:29 pm:
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    Howdy Rob!! While I agree there shouldn’t be any alterations, I also feel there should be some attention given to paying attention to detail. When working with loaded weapons, extra caution is needed. The click at the end is why attention to detail is important. If the pilot had noticed the firearm’s position before putting on the lock, that would not have happened. How many carry weapons like that without the safety on? Do police officers carry their weapons without the safety on?

  5. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 10 Apr 2008 at 2:30 pm:
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    # Johnson said on 10 Apr 2008 at 1:35 pm:

    Having worked around TSA in the course of my duties, this is typical. We advocated a portable lock box, but TSA told us that we didn’t have a clue. What do you expect from an agency that won’t issue metal badges to their officers?

    I can see why they wouldn’t issue metal badges to their officers. They do not want them setting off metal detectors in airports. They also do not want hijackers scanning them with metal detectors for a metal badge. Makes perfect sense to me.

  6. Johnson said on 10 Apr 2008 at 2:58 pm:
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    That leather holster-padlock setup is probably the most idiotic setup I’ve ever seen.

    The real reason that they don’t issue metal badges is that they would disappear at a frenetic rate.

  7. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 10 Apr 2008 at 3:08 pm:
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    I agree the lock setup is a stupid idea.

  8. Rob Smalls - Part-Time Commenter, Full Time American said on 10 Apr 2008 at 3:14 pm:
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    Heya Doc,

    Agree with you that attention to detail is of the utmost importance when handling firearms, but TSA sets these guys up for failure which this process and this equipment. There are certainly better ways (ie. the lockbox), and if the bureaucrats would listen to people with field experience, this kind of liability can be avoided altogether. That they don’t is a disservice to both the people who work for them and to Joe Six-Pack, who rightly expects a flight free of accidental firearms discharge when he travels.

  9. Rob Smalls - Part-Time Commenter, Full Time American said on 10 Apr 2008 at 3:38 pm:
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    CORR: WITH this process…

  10. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 10 Apr 2008 at 3:49 pm:
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    # Rob Smalls - Part-Time Commenter, Full Time American said on 10 Apr 2008 at 3:14 pm:

    Heya Doc,

    Agree with you that attention to detail is of the utmost importance when handling firearms, but TSA sets these guys up for failure which this process and this equipment. There are certainly better ways (ie. the lockbox), and if the bureaucrats would listen to people with field experience, this kind of liability can be avoided altogether. That they don’t is a disservice to both the people who work for them and to Joe Six-Pack, who rightly expects a flight free of accidental firearms discharge when he travels.

    What happens if he gets up to go to the restroom? Do they travel with these firearms in the safety position? I have no quarrel with the pilot carrying a firearm, but i have an issue when it might affect my safety on a flight. I would like to think these pilots are trained to use the weapon they carry as well as qualify to use it like the military and police officers do.

    I noticed quite a few posts past 60k, when did that happen?

  11. Thumper said on 10 Apr 2008 at 7:25 pm:
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    Medic 64,
    Officers generally don’t carry a weapon without safety being engaged assuming the weapon has external safety.

    PWC Officers are issued Glock 21 which does not have any External safety so if pull the trigger, it will shoot.

  12. tazzmax said on 10 Apr 2008 at 7:46 pm:
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    It sure sounds like the way the moronic Mineta would run things,…….OOh, he’s not there anymore, huh,…just some other idiot!

  13. mnd said on 10 Apr 2008 at 7:55 pm:
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    /\/\3|)iç 64,

    Safety eh?

    The safety is that the gun won’t fire unless you depress the trigger.

    Any safety device can fail and as such should not be relied on to protect you from mishandling.

  14. /\/\3|)iç 64 (Winner of the BVBL 40k and 50k post award) said on 11 Apr 2008 at 9:06 am:
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    TY Thumper and mnd!!

    I wasn’t sure what type of weapon they carried.

  15. mnd said on 11 Apr 2008 at 9:53 am:
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    /\/\3|)iç 64,

    H&K USP Compact in 40 S&W.

    It has a thumb safety (similar to the 1911).

    Clearly relying on the safety was a bad choice.

    Given the location of the hole in the plane it seems likely that the pilot recognized the danger of the holster and was following the 4 rules, which prevented injury.

  16. Harry said on 11 Apr 2008 at 12:59 pm:
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    This is the Bush administration at work…and…if you like George Bush, you’ll love John McCain

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