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Not bad at all….in fact, I agree, and while your solution might require a little tweaking here and there, the basic concepts certainly apply. Oh, and the sealed border should be for northbound traffic only; leak like a seive to those wishing to go southbound to get the heck out of this racist, xenophobic, bigoted, unloving, hate-filled, selfish country that they chose to visit.

…and as for your premise, “the truth” man, if we get rid of those politicians, e.g., Nancy Pelosi, who are so clouded by the number of potential voters that they can’t agree to letting them go home OR ANY OTHER REASON, there would be no argument to securing the border.

I’m getting more than a bit tired of politicians who insist upon and support THEIR view rather than that of their constituents.

Catholics beleive that sexual relations between husband and wife should be love giving and life giving. You can’t acheive that with artificial birth control methods. To say that our beliefs are amoral shows a total lack of understanding of our faith. The Planned Parenthood group makes the same arguments that you have stated when opposing abstinence programs. In the end, people have to accept that they can’t always have everything they want when they want it. This applies to every facet of life.

And sadly, you are wrong in stating that abortion is not used as birth control. Thousands of babies die every day because their parents don’t want them.

jfk–abortion is not birth control (albeit there are those who use it as b.c., but you’ll aways have people like that); the “natrual family planning” can be tedious (counting days or taking temperatures), doesn’t take in account for cycle irregularities, doesn’t allow for spontaneous intimate interactions between a husband and wife (can’t have sex on the fertile days), and is a little yucky (do you sit down and discuss the thickness of vaginal mucous with your spouse?)…but mostly it’s unreliable…average rate of failure is 25%…that is ridiculously high compared to oral pill (4-8% when accounting for human error), condoms (7%), and IUD (0.5-0.8%). How can families who are strapped for cash reliably prevent additional children when their church tells them they can only practice one of the most unreliable methods of family planning, which also makes it hard to keep a strained marriage stable if there are days that a couple aren’t “allowed” to be intimate with one another, which is often what heals a lot of troubles and spats in a marriage?…that is why a lot of folks consider the Catholic Church’s stance on birth control to be amoral.

I guess you want to continue with the insulting and disturbing language, so go ahead. Your words and attitude show that you have some issues, and you probably aren’t able to discuss things like a rational human being.

God bless.

I’ve got to agree w/ Rick that the Pope’s admission to shame about his priests’ proclivities for little boys’ backsides goes a long way toward healing the cynicism, but you also have to consider Bill Maher’s point: Didling a few hundred kids in a compound in west Tex gets you raided. Didling thousands over several years all across the world earns you a pass.

I’ll have to remember Advocator and Rick Bentley in my prayers this week.

In the end the Catholic Church is a business like any other and their amoral stance on birth control, their cynical desire to grow “market share” via unplanned pregnancy disgusts many or even most people.

At least you recognize that there is a danger…and then you propose that we waste more time. I think the wisest course would be, as always, to hope for the best but prepare for the worst. You recognize there is a danger but still say it’s more important to waste precious time on an ultimately fruitless struggle to exile a few lawnmowers. Your priorities are the reverse of what they should be. How many americans have to die so you can wage your private war on lawnmowers and construction workers?

You and many like you actually believe you are helping the country when in reality you are the greatest enemy to our security.

Just drop the crude references and try to show a little tact and class.

# The Truth said on 14 Apr 2008 at 8:12 pm:

Medic 64,

You’ve completely missed my point. I’m not arguing for amnesty for amnesty’s sake. I’m arguing that we need to settle the illegal immigration issue as soon as possible so we can focus on the most important issue, securing the border from terrorists. So the challenge is to figure out which is easier to accomplish, amnesty or deportation. Clearly, considering the racial/political pitfalls, energy required, and impact on business, deportation is a whole heck of a lot harder to accomplish. For example, look at the disaster unfolding in PWC…
Amnesty would just require us to issue some papers. Problem finished. Then we can finally secuire the border.

Only an ignorant man or a willfully blind man would believe our country is not in mortal danger.

I didn’t call you names, so why did you go there?

The bus wouldn’t be headed off the cliff if the bus driver didn’t have to be distracted with those who didn’t pay their fair share of the fare.

I do not think it is in MORTAL danger, in danger yes, but not mortal. If it is in mortal danger, the powers that be would step in. Your doom and gloom is just too emotional.

Remove the incentives and self deportation will happen, just like it is in PWC. Remove the anchor babies, employers able to pay under the table for slave labor and welfare benefits for those who make it across the border in time to have an anchor baby. Once the incentives are removed, they will leave. Just look at Oklahoma and HR 1804. It has made a difference in their state.

Someday you might get your wish, and you will be partly to blame.

There were many elected officials who were equally glib and flippant a few years ago…and then they wet themselves on 9-11.

You are very nieve if you think granting amnesty to 20 million illegals will get the border secured. How long is it going to take for the next 20 million to come across? (probably faster that the last 20 million.) There is no resolve from our government to secure our borders. Pelosi and her group are now trying to kill the SAVE ACT as they want nothing but amnesty and open borders. DEPORT THEM ALL. IT CAN BE DONE!

That’s right, JFK. Those remarks and the acts they describe are disgusting. So disgusting that you would like to deny them. And I’m not castigating all Catholics, JFK. Only those priests who took advantage of their flock’s blind faith to perpetuate heinous crimes on defenseless victims, and those in the institution who knowingly tolerated and covered up the crimes, thus encouraging more. My rendition is factual, sir, not bigoted. The facts are that the Catholic church, as an institution, tolerated and covered up a culture of pedantry. I have nothing against individual members of that faith. I’ve worshipped with them and have the highest respect for the tenets of that faith and for those who try to live by them. But I cannot abide an institution that encourages, by its tolerance, such disgusting, heinous crimes by the very people who should be standing against such evil.

An’ thass right, Trufe, I am bitching about ESOL classes. Those anchor babies be costing me money.