Insanity Without Borders Update
By Greg L | 21 April 2008 | Illegal Aliens | 16 Comments
The kooks from the “People United” have quietly changed their original plan to cross the border in Arizona using a smuggling trail somewhere between Nogales and Sasabe, and are now telling folks that they will be passing through an unspecified border inspection station in the area carrying a backpack, water, and a card that says “We come from the South because we believe in open borders for all people” as their only documentation. I suppose they finally figured out that what they originally intended to do was a criminal violation. These days civil disobedience apparently isn’t what it used to be.
The group, which has dwindled to only one member of Mexicans Without Borders and notorious radical Jeff Winder, plans to attempt a crossing on Monday or Tuesday after traveling along routes used by human traffickers, “coyotes” and drug smugglers. With any luck their entry will be disallowed, and they’ll get a chance to learn what it’s like to be a “stateless person” under international law. Mexico is welcome to keep these folks, and it would be a great benefit to the United States if they did. The biggest concern here is that these folks appear to have no understanding whatsoever of what it’s like to operate in a desert environment and are putting themselves in a fairly significant degree personal danger due to their ignorance. Although it would be good if stupidity hurt more than it usually does, I don’t particularly like it when it kills.
The Border Patrol has little tolerance for folks that want to pull publicity stunts at the border, and would love to make an example here to deter other folks from trying their own stupid stunts, further distracting the Border Patrol from the important work they do on behalf of our national security. If they have a legitimate basis to come down hard on these nutbags, I think they’re going to take it, and this little “we believe in open borders for all people” non-identification card not exactly going to inspire the Border Patrol to demonstrate a lot of patience and understanding.
The next couple of days should be interesting. Hopefully, not tragic, though.
Previous Coverage:
Border Jumpers Celebrate Ecological Disaster
Kooks United
UPDATE (Monday): It seems that the crossing is going to be attempted today. From the “People United” website:
Jeff and Sue have made it to within two miles of Arivaca Rd. They will confront the militarized Border Patrol checkpoint this afternoon, where they will attempt to pass through with a banner which reads, “Mexico to Virginia, Open Borders and Justice for All!” while presenting only a card which reads, “We come from the South because we believe in open borders for all people.”
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Stepping on those tracks is like sitting in a sacred space where many have prayed before you. It is like walking through Auschwitz, or standing at the site of a slave market.
I read this line in the April 17th update.
So now illegal border crossers are equated with those who suffered immense persecution? Never mind that the Jewish victims of Auschwitz were forcibly taken or that slaves traditionally were sold by their families for money.
No, I don’t think immigrants illegally crossing the border of their OWN FREE WILL can equate to those who had no choice in the matter. No matter what “People Untied (from reality)” say.
People United? After a peek at their site, I have their number.
Lets see…. Wealthy family (thats why no job). Delusional (seeks
attention through imagined “victimhood”). The part I found most
interesting though, was the “Virginia Anarchist Federation”. Isnt that rather contradictory? Thats akin to “scabs” forming their own
union during a strike.
I’ve got more respect for these folks than the soft-bellied malcontents who spew bile at Corey Stewart during citizens’ time.
Johnson,
That young boys story will bring tears to your eyes, if anyone has half of a heart. Poverty is a terrible thing, especially for children to endure.
I believe that the roots of poverty lie in the following and have long advocated for the following solutions. If I ever get a chance to prove they work I will.
1. Poverty occurs when any person who owns a business, tries to exploit its workers by paying them the lowest wage possible. A wage that by law cannot sustain a family or an individual at a munimum living wage 2500% lower than the salary of the person who owns the business. When the business owner tries to make a personal profit greater than 500% (5 times) of the wages paid to employees, he creates a poverty gap between the very rich and the very poor. If the owner pays a worker 20,000 per year (the poverty level), he cannot make more than 100,000 per year. He can afford a house, car, apartment or food that is only 5 times more expensive than his impoverished worker. If he wants to see affluent neighborhoods everywhere he drives (like most neighboorhoods we all want in the US), he needs to make no more profit than 100% of what he pays his workers. If he owns a 500,000 home, his workers will live in neighborhoods with 250,000 homes. In contrast if he pays below the poverty wage (1000%) 10 times his salary level, then if he lives in a 500,000 house, his workers will work and live in a slum of $50,000 trailers homes, huts and single bedroom apartments. In extremely poor countries, the nations laws (or lack of any wage law) allow business owners to pay 5000% below his salary (extreme greed). A person living in a 500,000 house, pays workers who can afford only a $5,000 per year cardboard rental property slum (for example in Sal Paulo, Brazil).
Solution: Mandatory government minumum wage laws that require business ownbers to pay a wage at least 10% of their current salaries. A CEO making 250,000 per year under this law would be required by law to pay employees at least 25,000 per year. The more affluent the nation desires all of its neighborhoods to be, the higher the minumum wage percentage of a CEO salary needs to be. At 50%, we would approach the ideal affluent society we all want and desire. The filthy rich will never be more than twice as rich as anyone else. In extreme poverty areas, the filthy rich are 2-5 thousand times richer than the poorest employees they hire, this is a decadent and corrupted, high crime society.
2. People have too many babies, for the resources and jobs available. The growth rate in the population of people, outstrips the growth rate of new jobs and available access to resources. There are no jobs to feed starving and dying children.
Solution: Mandatory temporary Vasectomies, for all males between 16 and 30 years of age. Permits for vasectomy reversal, or stopping of other refversible birth control measures to have children at these ages, must be based on history of the mental health, financial health, and education of each potential parent, and a criteria for child rearing abilities must be shown and validated. Men become more valuable to women who are able to show they are deserving of having children, and both parents can financially support them, are mentally and emotionally mature enough to be parents. Get rid of any church man-made doctrine that encourages un-controlled births, that prevents use of mandatory birth control and that advocates that man-kind does not have to worry about overpopulation of the planet. The government should pay for these vascetomies/mandatory reversible birth control as a health insurance and child rearing cost reduction in future social security benefits. Let’s face it children are extremely expensive to the nation to raise, especially those born into poverty by emotionally and financially irresponsible parents. Get the global population down from 6Billion people to 800 Million and sustain that number, until technology allows all to be sustained at the same level of affluance and quality of life together. Do not let the filthy rich of the world (about 5 million people), feed off of the misery of the rest of the 6Billion in abject poverty. If all 6Billion people of the world aspired to live at the standard of living of the US (and they do), we cannot sustain the food and material resources (power, fuel, minerals and sustainables). The level of sustainment of US affluance and lifestyle, is only 800million people. If this is not achieved, poverty and resource esaustion will caise the entire world to be impoverish as the populatiuon growth reaches 50Billion. Wars and famine will result. The ultimate solution is government mandate to stop having more than 1 child per family, and a drastic cut in the current birth rates of countries that are out of control primarily due to poverty and religions that promote high birth rates to reach dominant cultural and racial population targets.
3. Poverty is a result of regional isolation of jobs to only cities of high density, and high density new and innovative business development.
Solution: Create mobile job kits (trailers, trucks, and modular labs), mobile job production modules in innovation industries, mobile job training facilities and mobile job infrastructures (SATCOM, internet) and take these business units to the world’s most impoverished places. Put a scientist and engineer in each module to train others to do technical and innovative jobs, rather than dirt poor labor. Assess the IQ of each individual and assign them to mobile job unit task’s suited to thier basic intelligence they were born with. That is the only thing you can’t change about a person’s ability to make a living wage. Pat each person a living wage equivalent to the region of the US wage scale (if it costs 100,00 per year to live well in a region of the US, and 10,000 per year to live well in a region in the poorest nation, pay 10,000 per year, but no less than that.) Anything else is social and illegal exploitation and self destruction of the American dream.
If I had a chance I would ask Bill Gates, to fund and run the first mobile technolgy units to the worlds’ most impoverished places. Otherwise we are in a race to the bottom, prior to the leveling of the world’s wage scales.
Didn’t somebody a few years ago fund mobile vasectomy/tubal ligation units for deployment to impoverished areas? I think they were run out of business by “civil rights” groups.
Michael, your creative ideas show that show you have no clue about how businesses operate. Government meddling through wage controls and wealth capping will kill our economy. The countries in poverty you describe are poor because of the heavy government regulation that destroys small businesses and discourages large businesses from locating there.
Mandatory vasectomies? Are you nuts? That sounds like eugenics to me!
Ed note: the off-topic discussion about the Catholic Church has been removed. Let’s not hijack threads here, please.
Maybe the Pope should have gone to MEJICO instead,.it seems to me that he is needed more down there.
I am outraged that ANY church arrogantly promotes and condones illegal immigration,{ in the name of Jesus}, while knowing that it is against the soverign law of this country.
They want to inhance their membership while the taxpayer foots the bill for entitlements!
That’s arrogant sanctuary BS,…and smacks of Marxism IMO.
Any church that undermines soverignty, should lose their tax exempt status.
The Economic and Fiscal Impact of Immigration
Immigration breaks backs of taxpaying U.S. citizens
By OnTheWeb Sunday, April 20, 2008
Canada Free Press
Are you having a hard time paying your bills, making your mortgage payments or putting your kids through college? You need to know how much of your hard-earned income the government is skimming off and diverting into handouts to immigrants and illegal immigrants.
You can read the depressing details in the new 70-page document called “The Economic and Fiscal Impact of Immigration” by Edwin S. Rubenstein. A Manhattan Institute adjunct fellow with a mile-long scholarly resume, he has been doing financial analysis ever since he directed the studies of government waste for the Grace Commission of 1984.
The bottom line, which you need to know for your own bottom line, is that U.S. taxpayers are giving more than $9,000 a year in cash or benefits to each immigrant, a third of whom are in the country illegally. That’s $36,000 for each immigrant household of four.
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Because the U.S. has 37 million immigrants, legal and illegal, the national cost was more than $346 billion last year, which was twice our fiscal deficit. The cost of immigrants is so high because, as Rubenstein writes, “Immigrants are poorer, pay less tax and are more likely to receive public benefits than natives.”
Big Brother hasn’t told you this bad news, perhaps because the government doesn’t want you to know why your paychecks are shortchanged. Even the huge amnesty bill that was defeated last year didn’t contain one word about its budgetary consequences.
The financial burden immigrants impose on education starts with the 3.8 million K-12 students enrolled in more expensive classes for the non-English speaking. When we add up the costs of hiring specialized teachers, training regular teachers, student identification and assessment, and administration costs, the total amounts to an estimated $1,030 per pupil, or $3.9 billion.
Of the 48.4 million public-school children, pre-K through 12th grade, 9.2 million or 19 percent are immigrants or the children of immigrants. In the next few years, immigration will account for virtually all the increase in public-school spending.
Look at the $1.5 billion cost of incarcerating 267,000 criminal aliens in federal prisons. That’s not the worst of it; prison capacity is limited, so 80,000 to 100,000 other criminal aliens have been prematurely released to prowl our streets.
Criminals also impose heavy private costs on their victims. Rubenstein estimates the losses of income and property, hospital bills and emotional suffering at $1.6 million per assault or property-crime offender.
Rubenstein’s report includes all sorts of costs that other observers conveniently ignore, such as the Earned Income Tax Credit. EITC gives an average cash payment of $1,700 per year to 25 percent of immigrant households.
The emergency medical treatment given free to illegal immigrants is another enormous cost, causing some hospitals and emergency rooms to close. Emergency means any complaint from hangovers to hangnails, gunshot wounds to AIDS.
Even after some restrictions were imposed in 1996, 24.2 percent of immigrant households receive Medicaid, whereas the figure for native-born Americans is 14.8 percent. Rubenstein calculates that Hispanics account for 19.2 percent of Medicaid enrollment, while they are 13.7 percent of the U.S. population.
The FHA has had a policy of increasing home ownership among low-income immigrants and, therefore, approved FHA mortgages on homes with a down payment of only $200 to $300 and marginal income. Because buyers have so little invested in the house, they can walk away from it when they can’t meet the payments, and this has resulted in neighborhoods of abandoned, boarded-up housing.
Refugees are a large and growing fiscal burden because they become immediately eligible for generous taxpayer-paid benefits. Evidence shows they stay dependent on these programs and start chain migrating relatives under the “family reunification” law.
The Interior Department spends millions of dollars to clean up the mountains of trash discarded by illegal immigrants crossing into California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.
Some immigration advocates peddle the notion that immigration will solve the future financial burdens of Social Security. Rubenstein shows how foolish is this prediction because today’s low-wage workers will surely become tomorrow’s expensive retirees.
Another cost that few talk about is that immigrant workers depress the wages received by native-born Americans, and that causes a $100 billion shortfall in federal tax revenue. Harvard University Professor George Borjas found that each 10 percent increase in the U.S. labor force from immigration reduces wages of native-born Americans by 5.25 percent.
Some liberals are trying to tell us to fight a recession by bringing in more immigrants, but that would only raid the pockets of U.S. taxpayers to support more millions of non-taxpayers. It’s hard to say which is more outrageous: The diversion of Americans’ personal income into cash handouts to foreigners, or the federal government’s policy of concealing the fiscal impact of immigration.
Posted 04/20
Michael said on 21 Apr 2008 at 8:25 pm:
Solutions for poverty 1 through 3.
You can’t be serious. These look like modified verse from the Hammer and Sickle Hand Book.
Greg and Emma-Apologies. Mea Culpa. I will endeavor to behave and stay on thread.
jfk, I do understand how the economy operates. I understand the motivation behind all market forces and a market economy is driven primarily by the greed of the individuals at the top of the corporate ladder, to make personal money and wealth. They have incentive to make as much as they possibly can and are punished by the board who represents the shareholders if they do not. I have listened to the interviews of harvard law professors and deeply understanf why Ronald Regan and Margaet Thatcher changed the control economies to market economies. It is competition for wealth that drives incentive to make wealth. It is the incentive to compete. I am not advocating we do away with that, but simplt point out that some constraints are needed if you wish to keep the afffluance levels of communities at the levels they are now when you drive through a US neighborhood. The wages of the owner’s of those homes are closer to the wages of the CEOS, than the wages of the owner’s of the impoverished districts. You have to ask why? It is not all due to the ignorance of the people in the poverty. It is the decision of CEOs who employ these people to pay minimum wage and even lower if they can get away with it legally. That is why a slum exists. I’ll bet you do not live in one, and cannot understand the dynamics of slum life and why they slum became one in the first place. The lowest IQs are not always just in these slums. WE have a thriving market economy, except when enormous greed takes over. When this happens we were forced to form unions in the past, and to organize against the CEO extraction of extreme wealth. In the days of no controls, Dale Carnegy, Mellon, Rockfeller and others had EXTREME wealth (like walmart owners), but paid their factory and service employees pitiful wages and kept them in great poverty. However, the country has since recognized a legitimate need for a minimum wage law for a reason, and we prevent worker abuse for a reason with “capping” laws that still regulate the extent of how much “greed” a wealthy CEO and CFO can get away with. The proposal I present does not eliminate greed, it simply limits it to something that allows 95% of employess to like in homes rather than cardboard boxes and ditches. You and I both know that the CEO, and CFO set the overhead rates, and rates of employees salaries and bonuses, as program manahgers make decisions to selectively bid/or no bid on lucrative business opportunities. the wages paid, the stock options paid, and the bonuses paid are determined in private and secret by the CEO and CFO, AFTER they have taken out their secret, untrackable, not easily identified personal cut. I’m simply saying if your CEO makes $250,000 per year, when he pays his employees $75,000-$100,000 per year, we have affluant homes and neighborhoods in the 250,000-450,000 prices range. It’s when you are the Walmart CEO (and family owners) who make $5Billion in take home pay and pay their average employees 10,000-20,000 annual salary, you see neighborhoods with 1 extreme wealth mansion, and surrounded by trailor parks. YOU do the math and decide which secenario is better, make walmart CEO make 250,000 and live in a 500,000 home or make $5Billion and live in a $40 million dollar home. I’m saying THAT is not necessary to promote competitive market forces. Imagine what would happen if Walmart employess were paid 50K-100K per year, and the CEO only 2 Million per year, would walmart collapse? NO. Would neighborhood wealth increase? YES. You simply replace the CEO with another just as good, but cheaper. Boards do this all the time, if they can do so politically, but it is a difficult political battle, with the richest and most powerful usually winning the throne. These are the “Factional Aristocratic Elites” that took power from the people and kept them impoverished that John Adams was so afraid of when he framed the US Constitution.
A market force does not have to be led by an insane pursuit of extreme wealth, only proportional wealth to be most effective.
Therefore I consider my ideas valid, and yours to be valid as well, just not in the extreme you claim is necessary for innovative growth. Small businesses create more community wealth than Walmart, with an average incentive of $250,000-1.5Million per year being acceptable wealth, compensation and profit. I’m a firm believer when companies get too big to be competitive, they need to be broken into less powerful, more competitive, and more profitable pieces. At a certain size they become psychopathic.
About vasectomies, or any other birth control for that matter. I understand why anyone would be offended if they were told they can’t have children, especially for religious reasons. However, nature is ignorant of man’s emotions and religions. At a certain birth rate the planet cannot sustain wealth, only poverty. This is not hammer and sickle, it is future reality. There is some evidence that birth rates are self-limiting as an economy prospers, that may help some and in the future may be all that is needed, but at some point the planet cannot support 50 Billion people, even with the expected future technology. 50 Billion is projected in 2050? My son’s lifetime.
The reality will be, birth control will be mandatory, no matter how much people think that’s draconian, it will be a planet survival problem, and very possibly human survival problem. I am simply stating the obvious before the rest of you can see it and are able to comprehend and believe it will happen. Imagine a planet where every square inch of land looks like downtown Tokyo.
50Billion, we have 6 Billion now, imagine what 50 Billion will look like, centered around cities.
Here’s another eye opener for you. The US with its wealth and prosperity, and affluance only has 370 million people. Those 370 million people are far more affluant than 95% of the rest of the planet, bur everyone aspires to be like us. We can barely sustain the wealth of 370 million using up some 75% of the entire Earth’s resources just on us. If we had just 1 billion of those 6 billion people, we would all be in poverty. Imagine what is needed to sustain the affluent wealth of 50 Billion people. It cannot be done. In fact estimates place this wealth sustainment figure at no more than 800 million. The world of 6 Billion people have already far exceeded that. The reality is we will be forced to limit births with mandatory birth control, until we have enough old people die off and reach that 800 million sustainable number.
At one point in the history of the planet, there were only 1 million people living entirely off the land.
Can you possibly imaging trying to sustain life (or any reasonable form of it) for 50 Billion people? This is the ultimate religion-heated morality debate. Even worse than global warming which most political people tend to believe does not exist. Why? Because they are arrogant and ignorant.
thanks for that info americangal4ever. My mom is losing her job due to the hospital she’s working in is closing it’s doors after over 100 years in the community. Per the hospital website (http://www.stfrancisblueisland.com/internet/home/stfrancisblueisland.nsf/Documents/FDF0569AA3800FF68625741F007AD377?OpenDocument), approximately 50% of all their ER patients are non-pays or Medicaid (which the state of Illinois has not paid out since November); 25% of all their admitted patients are non-pay or Medicaid. Obviously those who are Medicaid can’t control the fact that Illinois is corrupt and isn’t paying, but there’s actually a lot more non-pays than Medicaid patients in that community. It’s not just the employees that are losing out (some have been there 40 years!), but the entire community will now lose a caring medical establishment. Unfortunately this isn’t a new story in our country. Tons of small hospitals in low-income areas are closing, which causes more strain and stress on the remaining medical facilities in the area. It’s a sad, sad, story that is bound to keep repeating itself until our government gets off its behind and starts enforcing its own immigration laws.