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By Greg L | 23 April 2008 | Uncategorized | 54 Comments
The PWBOCS meeting ran a little late (until about midnight) leaving me with little time to come up with posts. There’s good news from the budget mark-up session that I’ll have for readers when I get a chance. In the meantime, feel free to chime in on happenings in Pennsylvania, the PWC budget, and whatever else has come up while I’ve been out…
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Don’t undermine your own resolution
Potomac New, 4/23/08
I expected interest groups that aide illegal behavior to use the county’s budget deliberations to undermine support for the illegal alien enforcement initiative, but I did not expect members of the County Board of Supervisors to join them.
The fact is the initiative is a success and has already paid for itself, even using the bloated figures that Chief Charlie “kicking & screaming” Deane uses in his transparent attempts to discourage the board from enforcing the law.
A few weeks ago, PWC schools announced an ‘unanticipated’ drop in enrollment of 600 students. The savings from this reduction in enrollment — which just happened to coincide with the implementation of the board’s enforcement policy — was $6 million, which pays for the anti-illegal enforcement program.
As the illegal community responds to the fact that PWC no longer tolerates illegal immigration, the self-deportation process will continue, resulting in lower school enrollment figures; reduced demand for free health care at county clinics and other reductions in demand for county services — meaning additional savings.
As for the county’s damaged reputation among the business community, this makes me laugh. Businesses that depend on a customer base that exists because of illegal behavior may indeed experience economic setbacks, just as pawn shops that fence burglarized goods feel the pinch when the police step up burglary enforcement. But so what? Businesses that target citizens and don’t exploit employees are having no problems with the program.
Our reputation is probably suffering among members of the radical, far left, socialist and open borders community, but I could care less. And if a company decides not to locate to PWC because it will be difficult to hire an underclass of exploited workers, I say good riddance.
The board did the right thing when it unanimously voted in favor of implementation of the illegal alien enforcement initiative. I paid over $5,000 in property taxes in PWC last year. I will probably pay about the same this year. I expect that money to be used wisely and enforcing the law should be a top priority.
MICHAEL R. SHANNON
Montclair
http://www.insidenova.com/isn/news/opinion/letters_to_the_editor/article/dont_undermine_your_own_resolution/14249/
Go Hildabeast! Anything to keep Osama Obama out of office is fine by me, even if it means another 8 years of the Clintons. Obama is evil and the whole pied piper mentality of his cronies and fanboys really creeps me out. There is a side to this guy that the media has not shown you yet and he is the 3rd AntiChrist imo.
Anybody notice the graffiti on the interior walls of the looks-to-be-abondoned half-finished construction project across from the 7-11 on Old Centreville Road (just before Bull Run)?
A Frederick (MD) County Commissioner is doing the right thing:
The Associated Press
2008-04-23 10:56:56.0
Current rank: # 2,641 of 18,177 The Examiner
FREDERICK, Md. -
Frederick County Commissioner Lennie Thompson has proposed that next year’s county school system funding be based on a good-faith effort by the school board to count the number of students with questionable immigration status.
He says the count would not identify a student by name.
Thompson says the idea is to gather information to determine how many students whose legal status in the country isn’t reasonably documented.
School board president Daryl Boffman is opposed to the idea. He says withholding funds for the schools based on the count would punish every student, not just those in the U.S. illegally.
Boffman also worries the head count could cause illegal immigrants to remove their children from school.
—
Pennsylvania primary factoid. Total voter count comparison.
Hillary and Obama votes totalled 2,300,542
Huckabee, Paul and McCain 804,846
I am miffed as to why many of our elected officials on the BOCS, are refusing to put the citizens of PW ahead of the needs of government.
Let me make this perfectly clear…you don’t raise taxes in an economic downturn. You don’t expand government to the max when times are good because everything that goes up eventually comes back down.
Everyone I speak about the property tax rate needs financial relief, and with the steep decline in values, why should we continue to pay an overly inflated rate as we did in previous years?
Cut jobs at the county-PERIOD. If things are slow, we don’t need the same number of staffers.
Elected officials who believe that raising the tax rate above .92 cents is in the best interest of “the people” is completely out of touch, and not competitent to hold public office.
I hope you will join with me and let your supervisors know, enough is enough. Please support Chairman Stewarts .92 rate plan and tell your supervisor that you expect them to do the same.
Government spending is out of control. We don’t have to go along to get along folks. You have a voice…use it!
Anon 8:48: What in the world is that building supposed to be anyway? They have been building that thing for well over a year with very little progress. There are no signs around noting what it is supposed to be. I have seen no graffiti but I haven’t looked all that closely.
I have recently noticed that most of the school buses have only about 10 kids in them. It is not my intention or suggestion that we cut bus driver positions, as they are necessary. I also notice that parents drop their kids off by the hundreds, creating traffic log jams around every school; even in Fairfax County. I don’t know why this occurs. What the heck are the buses for if most parents insist on driving their kids to school? Are that many kids banned from the bus for bas behavior? I wouldn’t think so. Are the kids always late to catch the bus? Maybe. If we pay for the school buses, then why can’t they get the kids to ride them, or pack more of them into less buses?
Advocator - that’s not all that’s happening in Ferderick County, MD. There were 2 more articles in the Ferderick News Post today on Illegal Immigration.
Ferderick wants to make English the official language
http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?StoryID=74102
And - the OP Ed supports the Capital Area Coailition Against Illegal Immigration. Frederick County is certainly more enlightened than there southern neighbor Montgomery.
http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/opinion/display_editorial.htm?StoryID=74085
Way to go Feredrick County!
Save your money folks.
You will need an average of $150 per month to fund the anti immigrant
program. If you really are believers that this is the right and good thing, you wont complain.
The folks who dont support you will also pay 150$ a month.
Too bad.
MD Man:
It looks like Frederick and Prince William Counties are conducting a classic pincer manuever against Montgomery, Fairfax, and Arlington. Illegal aliens from the two enlightened jurisdictions will eventually settle in the Invader-friendly jurisdictions, and bring their crime, trash, anchor babies, overcrowding, disregard for laws, indecent public behavior, drunkenness, drug use, DUI, etc., etc., with them. Those counties will either fail financially, or whine to the Feds for help. Either way, it’s curtains for the Invaders. They’ll either have to return to the cesspools that spawned them, or get even more violent and intimidating than they are now with their shock troops (MS-13, etc.). I’m ready for either course they choose. In the meantime, I’m enjoying my legal and law-abiding neighbors, competent leadership, and fellow citizens here in PWC.
KP said on 23 Apr 2008 at 10:42 am:
I have recently noticed that most of the school buses have only about 10 kids in them.
I have a kid in my neighboorhood that is in pre-school. The school bus arrives and sits for at least 5 minutes waiting for the kid to come out. Most days the kid doesn’t go to school. Add up the gas costs for a bus sitting idle for 5 minutes (just at one stop) and then the kid doesn’t go to school.
pvogel88 said on 23 Apr 2008 at 11:26 am:
Save your money folks.
You will need an average of $150 per month to fund the anti immigrant
program.
It was my understanding and most of PWC residents that the resolution passed was not anti-immigrant but rather ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT. Please get your facts straight!
Advoacator - I am envious of your situation in PWC. MOCO will obey eventually, and it will be like the fall of the Berlin Wall!
I called the County about that building on Old Centreville Road when it
first started going up. I wanted to know what it was going to be.
I was told it was permitted under “Hotel and Retail Building”. I asked
them if it could possibly be a day labor center. That’s when I was
told I could come in and look at the plans in the Records Dept.
The graffiti showed up when it looked like construction was halted. Once
in awhile there is a truck there, doing what, I can’t figure out.
I want to know what kind of “hotel” could be going in so close to a residential
area, with not enough ground square footage. Who thought there
might be a need for a hotel on this road?? If nothing else, it could be
a 7/11 type of business, that’s all.
The official address is 7399 Old Centreville Road. The site plane # is
06-00378. Does anyone work at the County offices and can take a look
at these plans? I will try myself, and report the graffiti at the same time.
Something fishy going on with that building….
Parcel ID
7797-94-9122
Address
7399 OLD CENTREVILLE RD
Index Order
Card
1 of 1
State Code 400 Comm. & Ind.
Tax Type 1 Reg. Taxable
Spec. Dist
Zone B1
Tax Dist 18 Yorkshire
Reason
Magisterial
Legal PCL 3
RPC/Acct # 15884
Appraiser IS
Neighborhood 4343 Hotel/Motel - Income Approach
Acreage 1.5566
Owner (Jan 1) BRAR DAVINDER S & RAMPALJEET K
Owner (Cur) BRAR DAVINDER S & RAMPALJEET K
Address SURV
14221 COMPTON RD
CENTREVILLE, VA
Zip 201212710
The fact is 150$ a month is the cost.
Dosnt matter what you are against.
anytime you have a project, it will cost money.
Libraries, jails, schools, firehouses, roads,
Thats the fact. You think being anti ILLEGAL immigrant will cost less?????
Get the fed govt to rebate you for each Illegal that gets past the borders and into PWC.
Then you can spread the cost to your great grandchildren
Anonymous said on 23 Apr 2008 at 11:45 am:
KP said on 23 Apr 2008 at 10:42 am:
I have recently noticed that most of the school buses have only about 10 kids in them.
I have a kid in my neighboorhood that is in pre-school. The school bus arrives and sits for at least 5 minutes waiting for the kid to come out. Most days the kid doesn’t go to school. Add up the gas costs for a bus sitting idle for 5 minutes (just at one stop) and then the kid doesn’t go to school.
CORRECTION: Should read HEADSTART vice pre-school
madmom said on 23 Apr 2008 at 11:49 am:
I want to know what kind of “hotel” could be going in so close to a residential
area, with not enough ground square footage.
It’s call a bunkhouse.
I have seen it as well. It has graffiti inside if you look at it coming from Compton. That is a bad place for anything. I remember hurricane Agnes in the ’70’s, that the top of the 7-11 was under water. I do also believe there is a story pole somewhere near the water. I also lived in the T-houses behind it and imho, it really went to $#*t after 2000.
Well at least it’s in PWC and not the park. That construction has been such slowwww going. I have noticed though that there are no Hispanic males working that site when there are people working. It is always a mixed black and white crew, meaning Americans are doing the work.
Not to nit-pick, but Americans come in ALL colors.
No, that’s not nit-picking at all. Let’s focus on behavior, and not appearances.
God bless america indeed.
As an Obama supporter, I have to admit Hillary is coming around.
Good for her.
Hillary or Obama on their worst day still a million percent better than Mccain on the best day of his life
Posted by: pvogel88 | April 22, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Just in case you’d like to know more about pvogel88’s political views.
Don’t like any of ‘em. Wish Thompson was still running.
“we swim here
Posted by pvogel88 on Apr 30, 2007
City of alexandria lets us”
He also apparently goes to Ewald Park in Alexandria to go swimming.
“Simply put
Millions of racists in america. Very not PC to admit your a racist.
You wonr ever vote for Obama, but you need a reason other that racism.
Hillarys job… Put out little branches for these folks to hold onto to vote against obama.
Obama surely does not help by the “bitter” comment.
But you cant even imagine the bitterness if Hillary slimes her way to the nomination, or if she torpedoes Obamas chances.
Posted by: pvogel88 | April 15, 2008 10:25 AM”
Greg - being a long-time lurker on this board (and anti-bvbl during it’s unoriginal short existance), I wanted going to ask you the question of tolerating racism on this board. I see it a lot, and it seems to be encouraged - not necessarily by you, but by the group in general. I think our side can win without mentioning anything about color of skin. It seems as though there are so many pointless arguements about race that only get in the way of enforcing the law of illegal immigration. All it does is fuel the opposition. I think some people in this group need to do some soul searching before using this forum as a reasonable excuse to bring hate upon Latinos. I really want to get involved with the group, but I have some reservations based on comments in this forum. However I think you are doing an incredible job.
Thanks
-undecided
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=77192
Interesting point about importing poverty and recreating the third world here in the U.S. When does an “ethnic” neighborhood become an L.A. or Manassas City? When the numbers go beserk?
undecided,
No, I don’t like it one bit. There are a fair number of times I go and cull out a few comments that I think are over the line, but I don’t always have time to babysit threads, especially given that there’s almost 60,000 comments on BVBL. Very often I don’t have time to read comments myself.
If you see something you think is inappropriate, please drop me a line and let me know.
For the rest of you out there, please be aware that there are folks waiting to pounce on anything you say and use it to smear someone else. Please exercise some good judgment here, and think for a moment before you hit “submit”.
Greg, I think you have a good site here, with most people trying to do what’s BEST for their community and America.
I haven’t noticed anything much, “racial”, here, but it seems to me that PC has infected some who are playing “race card gotcha”..
Just because of the fact that people don’t like the behavior of certain ethnic groups, does not give “apologists” the right to screech “racism”, IMO.
Wow, anymore, it seems this whole pitiful country is infected with “PC, guilt ridden apologists”
undecided,
Be aware of the possiblity that comments could be intentionally put on this site by those who are trying to make this site look bad. Also this site has received national media attention, so you get all kinds from around the country that want to put in their two cents.
KP: I live in Fairfax Co., and I drive my son who is in special ed to school every morning. I do this because if I didn’t, he’d be sitting on a school bus in the morning for almost 1 1/2 hrs by the time the bus got to his school. That time is better spent with him getting more sleep at home. For him, more sleep = less seizures.
The bus driver and I have a signal we use regarding stopping to p/u my son.
He still takes the bus home, which only takes an hour.
Has anyone noticed how bad the old urgent care center on 234 looks? It’s one of the first things you see when getting off the 234 exit, other than the restaurants and gas stations. THe grass is about knee high. The Vilichez (sp) Realty group has been promising to move in for several years now. I wonder why they don’t cut the grass; it’s not very good advertising for them!
Food for thought. Some time ago I heard Boon Pickens interviewed on the radio and he was asked a question concerning the escalating price of gas. His response was to the effect that, as long as oil executives look out their office windows and see lines of SUV’s at the elementary school dropping off or picking up one kid at a time, they will continue to raise the price knowing that the demand is still high and cost is not that high to effect consumption.
L.King said “I drive my son who is in special ed to school every morning.”
I understand there are special cases like yours, but if you just go anywhere near Union Mill on any weekday morning, there are hundreds of parents dropping off kids at C’Ville HS. They all can’t possibly be in Special Ed. The entire area is a complete mess from 7-8AM.
I”m still seeing about 20 kids at the elementary school bus stop in the morning at the bottom of Aaron and Adler here in the county. This is a big change from the over 50 kids it used to be. Thanks to PWCPD’s finest parked watching the kids, they aren’t dropping “trou” and watering the grass and flowers anymore.
I just read the article in the Washington Post about the county executives to reconsider the Immigration Policy in effect, because of monetary concerns; http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/23/AR2008042302199.html
Officers are afraid of racial profiling complaints brought upon them, which is a viable worry for them. The county now says they don’t have the money for cameras to protect the officers from such accusations. My suggestion and I’m not sure if it will work, but why not have the police ask everyone what there immigration status is. If I was pulled over for something and an officer asked me, I wouldn’t be offended. But it is a shame in our society that the aclu looks forward to actions like these, so that they have something to do.
Dave in PWC said “Thanks to PWCPD’s finest parked watching the kids, they aren’t dropping “trou” and watering the grass and flowers anymore.”
Is that the regular kids, the PD, or the kids of illegals watering? Hmmm 60% reduction in kids. Wonder what gives?
Another log jam is the intersection of Manassas Dr. and Uclid. It isn’t as bad as the schools are not on M Dr., but there are still a whole bunch of parents driving kids to school every morning.
“Another log jam is the intersection of Manassas Dr. and Uclid. It isn’t as bad as the schools are not on M Dr., but there are still a whole bunch of parents driving kids to school every morning.”
That’s why Manassas Park decided to extend Connor drive to Manasas Drive. Frankly, I say let the kids use the bus, if they or their parents don’t like the traffic jam.
Hello all,
My name is Dave. Im new to the blog. I have spent some time watching this page and even checking out (and posting/completely wasting my time) in the ANTI.
I’m out in Sudley Manor, and we are happily considering sending our son back to public school next year (right now we home school). The grade curve was so low that our English-speaking son wasn’t able to learn anything he didn’t already learn in pre-school.
I have many people to thank in this forum for the hard work they have done to make this a possibility, and to make the resolution a reality.
Thanks!
-Dave
too many daves - changing name to: Dave On Dublin
Welcome Dave! It’s great to see some new “faces” around here. Pull up a keyboard and heave to!
I checked out AntiBVBL myself and, for all their talk about being a fair and open forum, at least one of our folks has been deleted and I found it to be a one-sided forum where “attack the messenger, not the message” is the order of the day.
Undecided, many of us have tried to get people on this post to think only in terms of “illegal” and “legal” behavior, and to look at this issue only in terms of legal concepts that are not based on gender, religion, race or ethnic group. For the most part, most of us have stayed in this boundary line, recognizing the consequence of defeating the relevance of our entire message. Every now and then you get an arrogant and angry fool who also recognizes the “majority” of the “illegal” offenders also factually happen to be of a few related ethnic groups and targets them in anger, instead of the “illegal” behavior. We try to put a stop to it when we can but you can’t police every single post. Only Greg can do that, and even then I doubt it is wise to make him judge and jury.
This country invites and upholds free speech, even when it is targeted at specific groups of people, so it is difficult to shut people up when they say the wrong thing.
Hi Michael - thanks for the read. I am now “Dave on Dublin” (used to be undecided).
Count me in for that way of thinking as well. I have been defending that exact point (illegal, not ethnic issue) in the ANTI blog, and while it was on deaf ears, at least it was another voice of reason, and a few others were also speaking out (someone also named Michael was really getting them wound up yesterday).
Greg L - Read your response (I made the “undecided” comment). I owe the group an apology. I followed the rule of lurk before post, but still inserted foot. We could post baseball scores here and the apologists will still scream racism. I made my post due to a few yahoos on this site. But after diving in to the anti blog, it pales in comparison (numbers of yahoos).
I guess they are going out of their minds having to explain their craziness on a daily basis to those who genuinely ask why they are against the resolution. They must also be feeling the sting that the resolution is sticking (so far, fingers crossed) through all the budget battles.
KP,
The kids that were watering our grass and other things were hispanics, I’ll leave it to your imagination whether they or their parents were illegal aliens or not, but you know what I think they are. It is a nautical term of course. The illegal aliens are dropping anchors, the kids are dropping “trou”.
As to the decrease, well I think we have the “rule of law” to thank for that.
Thanks again PWCPD for responding to a complaint made by several property owners about the irresponsible actions of kids while their parents watched.
Dave in PWC,
I hear you. Maybe a guard dog would also work. It might keep the deer and other critters from treating my plants and bushes like an all-you-can-eat buffet (keeping ‘em out).
On another note, seems like a lot of M’Park homes are being bought up. That is good as there were a lot that had been empty from previous folks abandoning them from 1-2 years ago. Unfortunately, they are selling for much less than my appraisal (opening a sore wound?).
Tell me about it. I can’t refi because comps in my neighborhood came back at 200k while MP sends me a 307k tax assessment…
Criminal behavior at its best. As far as the houses being bought up, 50-1 says it is investors who plan to rent them out to the worst of the worst via section 8. Welcome to the ghetto baby. I feel it is out of the pot and into the fire, at least for me and my neighborhood.
Park’d, don’t you have an HOA in your neighborhood? Maybe you should join it and try to define the future of your neighborhood instead of sitting here and complaining about. It’s not like your complaints aren’t legitimate, don’t get me wrong - I just see you as someone who is smart enough to be able to help himself and his community. Maybe if you joined the HOA and focused on community rules, you would find yourself with better neighbors (tenants and homeowners) if an active HOA required those that lived there to follow the rules to the letter. It is something that is making a difference in our neighborhood. It isn’t making our prices come back any faster, but it is serving to improve the quality of life, slowly but surely.
Like I said, your complaints and concerns are completely legitimate. I just hope you are person that will do something about them.
Anon (10:04):
Your opinion is fine, but what’s up with your riding Park’d on not getting involed enough? It’s weird…(You deemed: “your complaints and concerns are completely legitimate. I just hope you are person that will do something about them” and “Maybe you should join it and try to define the future of your neighborhood instead of sitting here and complaining about.”) .
Actually I do have a serious question for you.
If you were to give up your family-supporting job, start your own HOA, and try to block a group of people who are trying to profit of off rentals, will they not also invest in lawyers who sue your ass off to protect thier investments that will allow then to do whatever necessary in order to be the most profitable?
HOAs tend to grow into a gross abuse of government. and I am very happy not being in one. They can be great at first, until they start telling you what color my front foor must be, or what flowers I allowed to plant on my land.
Mexican Tourism:
http://www.kerman94.com/mexicotourism.html
Don’t know if anyone will see this…but has anyone seen the car parked on Devlin Rd. near Linton Hall Rd. with the www.bristowcommons.com sign on it? It’s petition to change that area from residential to mixed commercial…but what about if we don’t want ANYTHING built there? We certainly don’t need any more new homes, and we have a ton of new businesses going up on SR-28/Hornbaker and in the Gainesville Shopping Center area…I would really like to keep some green…some trees…help keep the deer where they belong instead of getting chased out. Anyone with me? any ideas? anyone? bueller?