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Rule Of Law Resolution Under Assault By Frank Principi

By Greg L | 24 April 2008 | Illegal Aliens, Prince William County | 154 Comments

Woodbridge District Supervisor Frank Principi is calling for a gutting of the Rule of Law Resolution, according to today’s Washington Post, arguing that police officers shouldn’t be asking suspected illegal aliens about their immigration status. What Principi seems to be arguing for is a return to the policies established in 2005 by Chief Deane which prevented police officers from asking about the immigration status of non-felony offenders. Should this obtain support from other members of the board, which at this point seems unlikely, it would be a huge victory for Mexicans Without Borders.

In 2005 police arrested about thirty loitering day laborers at a 7-11 on Route One in Woodbridge, and about half of these were turned over to the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement for deportation. Mexicans Without Borders and their subsidiary the Woodbridge Workers Committee went absolutely nuts. Following a series of generally unreported meetings between Chief Deane and these open borders advocates, Deane established General Order 26.05 which took away any discretion from police officers to inquire about immigration status unless the suspect was being investigated for a felony violation. Deane refused to provide any information about this policy, and denied a FOIA request to provide a copy of the General Order filed by Help Save Manassas last summer. Under threat of a lawsuit by Judicial Watch, Deane finally gave in and released the policy.

The public outrage that resulted forced Deane to rescind that policy when the debate over the Rule of Law Resolution began, and the Rule of Law Resolution directed Deane to establish a new policy which is now known as General Order 45.01. One of the important things that this General Order does is bring Prince William County into compliance with the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (8 USC § 1373) which makes it unlawful for a locality to restrict the ability of state or local officials to prevent the communication of information about an illegal alien with the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. What Principi seems to be calling for here is putting that unlawful restriction back into place.

Having police officers inquire about the legal status of suspected illegal aliens has been a critical part of what has encouraged them to leave Prince William County. Knowing that an interaction with a police officer about loitering, a moving violation, or some other common violation of a local law or ordinance can potentially result in deportation is perhaps the biggest motivator for illegal aliens to either return home or seek out one of the many jurisdictions that ignore the legal status of a suspected offender. Although this component of the Rule of Law Resolution likely results in the fewest actual deportations, it is seen as the biggest threat by those who have continued to willfully violate our federal immigration laws. Should this component of the policy be reversed, it would be seen as a dramatic improvement for illegal aliens who unlawfully reside in Prince William County and seek to evade the consequences of their unlawful actions.

It would also impact public safety in a significant way. The illegal alien who killed Tessa Tranchant (age 16) and Allison Kunhardt (age 17) in Virginia Beach last year had multiple interactions with local law enforcement prior to his plowing into their vehicle while in a drunken stupor. Anastacio Sanchez-Miranda who committed a triple homicide in Woodbridge last year had multiple interactions with the Prince William County Police for moving violations. It would appear that in the majority of cases where an illegal alien murders someone in the United States, they have had multiple interactions with law enforcement for minor violations, and the failure of federal, state and local law enforcement to address their unlawful presence is partly responsible for these deaths. These crimes are entirely preventable, if only our government would do the job they promised the American people they would do. Prince William County has stepped up for our public safety, and Frank Principi wants to put an end to that.

If this prospect enrages you, please share your views with the Prince William Board of County Supervisors at bocs@pwcgov.org. They need to hear from all of you right now.

UPDATE: See also Virginia Virtucon.

UPDATE 2: Here’s more detailed contact information for the Board.  I’d suggest readers call the Supervisors as well, so their input doesn’t get lost in the flood of emails that staff members will be managing:

Chairman At-Large
Corey A. Stewart
McCoart Administration Building
1 County Complex Court
Prince William, VA 22192
Phone: 703-792-4640
Fax: 703-792-4637
Aide: 703-792-5626
cstewart@pwcgov.org

Coles District
Martin E. Nohe
4360 Ridgewood Center Drive
Prince William, VA 22192
Phone: 703-792-4620
Fax: 703-792-4610
Aide: 703-792-4621
mnohe@pwcgov.org

Gainesville District
John T. Stirrup, Jr., Vice-Chairman
Sudley North Government Center
7873 Ashton Avenue
Manassas, VA 20109
Phone: 703-792-6195
Fax: 703-792-7664
Aide: 703-792-6196
gainesville@pwcgov.org
Supervisor Stirrup’s Home Page

Brentsville District
Wally Covington
8506 Wellington Road
Suite 101
Manassas, VA 20109
Phone: 703-792-6190
Fax: 703-257-9792
Aide: 703-792-6191
wcovington@pwcgov.org

Occoquan District
Michael C. May
2241-B Tackett’s Mill Drive
Woodbridge, VA  22192
Phone: 703-792-4643
Fax: 703-792-4833
Aide: 703-792-4644
mcmay@pwcgov.org

Dumfries District
Maureen S. Caddigan
Dr. A.J. Ferlazzo Building
15941 Donald Curtis Drive, Suite 145
Woodbridge, VA 22191
Phone: 703-792-4645
Fax: 703-792-4622
Aide: 703-792-4648
mcaddigan@pwcgov.org
Supervisor Caddigan’s Home Page

Neabsco District
John D. Jenkins
4361 Ridgewood Center Drive
Prince William, VA 22192
Phone: 703-792-4668
Fax: 703-792-4669
Aide: 703-792-4667
jjenkins@pwcgov.org
Supervisor Jenkins’ Home Page

Woodbridge District
Frank J. Principi
Dr. A.J. Ferlazzo Building
15941 Donald Curtis Drive, Suite 140
Woodbridge, VA 22191
Phone: 703-792-4646
Fax: 703-792-4993
Aide: 703-792-4647
fprincipi@pwcgov.org



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154 Comments

  1. Riley said on 24 Apr 2008 at 11:44 am:
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    What a bonehead Principi is.

  2. Advocator said on 24 Apr 2008 at 11:55 am:
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    Principi is pandering to people who exploit and benefit from the presence of of illegal aliens. It’s that simple. People like the owner (now felon) of CMC Concrete. They’re losing their cheap labor and now they’re running scared. They fear they now may have to hire legal residents of this country, at a fair wage, and provide benefits required by law. No more loading up pick up trucks at Marumsco Plaza and the Coverstone 7-11. They’ve found a Patsy in Principi who will try to return them to the good ole days when they could field a labor force in PWC for a fraction of what they have to shell out now that they have to play by the same rules as law-abiding employers.

    I’m amused at the lore building regarding the origination of the “Resolution.” One guy in the comments on the WaPo says, “When the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), wrote this ordinance [sic], you knew that it would have a backlash. For it to play out so spectacularly on a national stage is more than the American people could have hoped for. ”

    I got news for you folks. I drafted this Resolution. Did I refer to FAIR’s website when drafting it? Absolutely, along with lot of other websites, court rulings, local and state ordinances and other sources. I did not consult with anyone from FAIR or IRLI prior to submitting it to Mr. John Stirrup. Prior to introducing it, Mr. Stirrup and his staff revised it several times, eliminating and changing portions of it. He included me and others in that process, including some of IRLI’s lawyers who suggested omitting a section that would have provided citizens a “mandamus” right to ensure County agencies were following it. That was probably a good thing.

  3. Rick Bentley said on 24 Apr 2008 at 11:57 am:
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    And Deane. He’s directly responsible for the misery inflicted on us, the organized effort to take over Manassas by Latino realtors, the flyers in Mexico with driving directions to our area. Did he get 30 pieces of silver? Or any other kickbacks?

    Deane should GO.

  4. Tired of iIllegals destroying PWC said on 24 Apr 2008 at 12:10 pm:
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    I just sent an e-mail. Principi is an idiot.

  5. Dennis D said on 24 Apr 2008 at 12:15 pm:
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    If Deane is hired by and reports to the County Executive, the CE should fire him immediately. If not, the PWC BOS should fire the CE and hire someone that will fire Deane.

    Deane is the source of your problems and needs to go.

  6. AsIseeit said on 24 Apr 2008 at 12:29 pm:
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    I sent my e-mails to Principi and Nohe and then one to all Supervisors.

    I have gotten very leary about Deane. He is not the same policeman that we all knew before he came to Prince William.We were so proud of him when he was chosen.
    Now we can see he has not kept up with the times.He never asked for all the patromen that were needed,he didn’t ask for the cameras. What else has he not asked for to keep us a number one county?
    Other areas have had cameras for years,they have more police on the street and they have a good benefits package. Where is Prince William?

    We can not let this Resolution be altered. If theres no money for cameras,so be it.They apparently didn’t need them before.We have upstanding Policemen in the past, Why not now?

    This is just an excuse for Chief Deane and the two Supervisors,Nohe and Principi.
    If you don’t like the heat get out of the Office

    And quit listening to Barg as she did nothing for a Decade and thats why Woodbridge has deteriated.

    Marumsco Hills has asked for a street by street sweep for over 4 years and nothing
    There still is not a Sweep for street by street to this date.
    There seems to be alot of talk out of both sides of the mouth but no action.

  7. AsIseeit said on 24 Apr 2008 at 12:35 pm:
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    This Stephen Fuller was always brought in when the Board wanted to put something new on the books.

    He worked great with Pandak to show how we needed all the housing and condos.

    Could never figure why they brought him in? I suppose money passed through his palms.
    As he spent alot of time speaking at BOS meetings over the years.

    I guess he got paid Consultants Fees.

    How sweet it is,for someone to ruin our County.

  8. Rick Bentley said on 24 Apr 2008 at 12:38 pm:
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    I will say this. I HAVE seen more police cars roaming around in PWC than ever before, by a wide margin. Which is scaring ilelgals away and I like it. Why so much more police activity?

  9. Anonymous said on 24 Apr 2008 at 12:40 pm:
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    I sent my emails out.

  10. Advocator said on 24 Apr 2008 at 12:49 pm:
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    Rick:

    The increased police activity is because so many illegals have left the County. The police now have more time to patrol instead of trying to get “information” on crimes committed by a “cooperative community.”

  11. PWCHomeowner said on 24 Apr 2008 at 1:04 pm:
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    I sent my email, but i also added, i am sick of this issue coming up every two months. The whole BOCS look like political hacks. My God, just govern already. if you need cameras get cameras, if you don’t then don’t. If enforcing the law, costs money, raise taxes. I and everyone else i know will pay more taxes instead of letting illegal immigrants unlawfully drive vehicles etc.

    I have seen a 10 fold increase in “bicyclists” riding around. Each time i see one i think there is one more guy who was unlawfully behind the wheel only a month ago.

  12. k. o'toole said on 24 Apr 2008 at 1:12 pm:
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    PWC, every 2 weeks is more like it. You are absolutely right - govern already! How many 12-hour citizens times do they want to entertain? We will keep up the fight for our rights for the laws to be enforced, for our sovereignty, for our safety. Principi and Nohe need to stop hanging around the marxist people who call themselves “centrists” and get back to work protecting the citizens of PWC.

  13. Bob Wills said on 24 Apr 2008 at 1:37 pm:
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    PWCHomeowner said on 24 Apr 2008 at 1:04 pm:
    I sent my email, but i also added, i am sick of this issue coming up every two months. The whole BOCS look like political hacks. My God, just govern already. if you need cameras get cameras, if you don’t then don’t. If enforcing the law, costs money, raise taxes. I and everyone else i know will pay more taxes instead of letting illegal immigrants unlawfully drive vehicles etc.

    How did the hacks get elected? They told the public what they wanted to hear knowing they were lieing about it the whole time. The public deserves the entire mess they have now and will have for the next few years. Stewart can not wait to get out of the county and I doubt he will be here in 4 years. May is in some dream world and will not rasie a tax rate but has no basis of fact on why he wants to go that route other then it gets him elected. Stewart, Stirrup and May all insisted that the Rule of Law be funded but who is leading the fight to cut the number of police? Stewart of course. When Principi asked Stewart how he arrived at cutting the number of new police it was funny. Stewart hemed and hawed and mumbeled and finaly said it is too complicated to explain!!!!!! The truth is Stewart lied once again and as he did all during the budget meeting this past tuesday he just keep smiling and laughing.

    Get ready to bend over and have the BOCS stick it to you though. They are going to raise the car decal fees by 50% to 38.00 each but if you notice no one has said a thing about that. Of course May will tell you that is not a tax increase SURE !!!!!!

    Why are the bonds not being sold from the 800 million bond issue that was passed on the LIE that there are no tax increses to happen because of the bond being issued?

    How many extra illegals have been arrested because of the Rule of Law. I believe it was 2 per the last report by Deane. The jail is haveing the larger financial impact on their operations then on the street it seems. Of course Deane gets blamed for the illeglas being released but only a Judge or Magistrate can do that buy no one complains about them do they!!!!!!

    If the Rule of Law was cut back the fanatics are trying to say the illegals would come swarming back to PWC….. Lets see thee are no jobs for them except from Harry Homeowner who wants it cheap. They are going to buy the houses that they just lost to forclosure with the tightening of credit that makes if more difficult to get loans. RIGHT.

    The next 2-3 years will make every member of the BOCS wish they had never been elected and the public will have no one to blame but them selves for putting such hacks into office.

  14. Advocator said on 24 Apr 2008 at 2:12 pm:
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    Bob Wills: YOU should run. No, I don’t mean for elected office. Just run. It would do you lots of good.

  15. starryflights said on 24 Apr 2008 at 2:23 pm:
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    I lose confidence in the BOCS when they can’t stand strong. What is with all the wishy washy will of the BOCS. They start to look like fools, passing the Rule of Law Resolution and then the rogues talking to the news and saying that we are racist or that this Resolution portrays us as such and should be overturned. All we want is for illegal aliens to be held to the same laws that we are. They have come here illegally and we should not have to pay for their selfishness of putting themselves above our laws. They should all be deported. We allow more legal immigration into this country each year than any other country. We are a generous people, but we are also a law abiding people. We can not allow illegal aliens to get a pass on this. They must be held accountable. When I see one butterfly in my home, I can admire it’s beauty. If I wake up and I have 100,000 butterflies in my home, it no longer matters how beautiful they are. They must leave. My emails have been sent.

  16. Riley said on 24 Apr 2008 at 2:31 pm:
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    DennisD and AsIseeit, I completely agree with you about Deane and think that County Exec. Gerhardt is an issue, too. Neither have been able to adapt to the realities of the PWC of 2008 — the one that is the second largest county in the Commonwealth and one of the wealthiest in the nation. Fresh blood in those positions would do us well.

  17. Freedom said on 24 Apr 2008 at 2:51 pm:
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    Like most of you, I sent my E-Mails….and we here on the blog, we comment to each other, about the importance and value of the “Rule of Law Resolution.” However, with the exception of a few on this blog who are either Corey Stewart haters or for one reason or another do not value our laws, we all agree and support the Rule of Law Resolution. So, for the most part, those of us here on BVBL are “preaching to the choir.”

    Now however, we must do more. We have sat through “Citizens Time” and listened to the steady stream of Latinos and “law breaker apologists” stand up there and call us racists, mean spirited, and all kinds of other things in their plea that PWC become another sanctuary for illegals.

    I don’t like doing the public “Citizens Time” thing…it’s just not my way…I tend to be more private. However, the time has come that we either speak up and support the Rule of Law Resolution, or we’re going to lose what so many of us have silently supported for so long. Even though it may not be your thing either, please come to the BOCS meeting with me on the 29th…stand, say your piece, and help.

  18. Advocator said on 24 Apr 2008 at 3:06 pm:
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    Here, here, Freedom. I also shun public speaking but there comes a time when certain physical limitations have to be accomodated and overcome.

  19. Bob Wills said on 24 Apr 2008 at 3:08 pm:
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    Advocator said on 24 Apr 2008 at 2:12 pm:
    Bob Wills: YOU should run. No, I don’t mean for elected office. Just run. It would do you lots of good.

    You would like that I am sure as would Stewart and May and Stirrup and Caddigan and Jenkins to name a few. I am an equal oportunity Sweet Old Bob :)))

    Maybe you like those who lie to be elected but personal I have no use for them and for those who do not come up with solutions but just complain that it is someone else problem as our politicians do.

    Stewart is not going to support the funding of the Rule of Law and its costs but you still want him in office ?

    I don’t run and I don’t hide

  20. floodguy said on 24 Apr 2008 at 3:19 pm:
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    Advocator, reform should have been in place in the mid-90’s before this out of control expansion took place. Had it been done, its costs would have been more evenly distributed to those who participated in it. Instead this county was complacent and its affects have been devastating.

    Had the BOCS and residents not looked the other way while businesses used illegal labor to develop PWC, housing would have not been so inexpensive and developments would not have spread as quickly as it did, overall growth would have moderated, expansion would have been more manageable, property values would not have over-inflated, and its subsequent collapse would not have been as dramatic. Unfortunately, we are now paying the penalty for this complacency in more than several ways. Nonetheless, an unavoidable and unpaid price tag still exists for this problem’s correction.

    I do not doubt the resolution’s need, however, I believe further reform is necessary to aid the county’s recovery economically, while still maintaining the rule of law. I believe the county should therefore, establish criteria who should be allowed to remain, and as well as, who is desired moving forward.

    The county should setup a renewable criteria-based guest worker program, primarily based on employment dependant upon the county’s need and one’s ability to abide by the law. The county should charge both the immigrant and county businesses who employ them to fund the program. Additional but temporary funding based on need, should be considered in the form of a flat tax distributed to owners of dwellings and businesses created or expanded since 1997.

    Both the immigrant applicant and the businesses who (intends to) employ them, must reside or be domiciled in the county to ensure the program’s proper funding. This type of program creates an added economic affect of increasing the worth of the laborer by properly raising wages, and returns the price of goods produced more in-line with historic values, which effectively moderates or prevents unmanageable hyper-growth as we have witnessed this past decade.

    Something along these lines creates a more rounded policy, serving and benefiting more aspects of society and the economy. It is also more characteristic of what national immigration reform should eventually look like.

  21. park'd said on 24 Apr 2008 at 3:25 pm:
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    Oh please. None of us saw any savings on real estate during the boom by using all the illegal labor. It was all horded by upper management. Don’t ever believe that nonsense for a minute.

  22. aNon said on 24 Apr 2008 at 3:32 pm:
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    I just sent an email of support to all of the people on the list. I appreciate all of this information being made available. I’m excited that PWC hasn’t entirely been written off as an good ol boys club, that people are interested in engaging in a debate on how to treat us all equally.

    Principi is a patriot and a common-sense kinda guy.

  23. Riley said on 24 Apr 2008 at 3:35 pm:
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    There are actual costs and then there are inflated costs, Bob. Seriously, it is a travesty that Chief Deane only wants to put cameras in police cars in response to this resolution for the narrow purpose that he purports. Our police officers deserved to have cameras in their cars for their own physical protection and evidentiary purposes in court a long time ago. All of a sudden, Deane wants cameras and to tack the $3M cost on to the pricetag of enforcing the resolution as if these cameras would serve no other purpose. That is a huge chunk right there.

    And then there is the request for extra officers that is being rolled into this. Of course there is a need for extra officers. We’ve had that need for years, but Deane and his top brass have denied that need existed. My fellow HOA board members have heard it straight from the mouths of top police officials when they’ve asked them questions about slow police response time to incident reports. We’ve finally gotten so frustrated that we went out and hired a private patrol service (which actually has worked out quite well so far and we’re seeing measurable results within its first month that we did not get when we were relying solely upon the PWCPD.)

    I’m willing to pay the taxes to support the police and public safety. But Chief Deane has been disingenuous about the cost of the resolution, treating it like a Christmas tree to hang his various wish lists upon.

  24. starryflights said on 24 Apr 2008 at 3:37 pm:
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    Does anyone know how to start a petition to get rid on Principi? Is anyone from his district?

  25. Anonymous said on 24 Apr 2008 at 3:40 pm:
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    Principi is riding in on his white horse, in a full suit of armor to “save the day.”
    His fair “maiden” (guess who) awaits his return at the castle. His loyal subjects (guess who) bow before him. But they don’t live happily ever after.
    RECALL!!!!!

  26. Anonymous said on 24 Apr 2008 at 3:42 pm:
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    get rid of Corey is more in order.

  27. Advocator said on 24 Apr 2008 at 3:42 pm:
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    Floodguy, the intent of your proposals are correct, but they’re impossible to implement under current federal law. Some states (AZ and CO) are trying something similar, but I do not believe they will be successful.

    We (all of us, residents, legal, illegal, citizens, non-citizens) are victims of a federal government that has failed us in this area. The best we can do is take advantage of what the law allows us to do, like partnership in the 287g program, to protect our community from that failure.

  28. josh said on 24 Apr 2008 at 3:50 pm:
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    I thought hilda was out flying her broom? Doubt she’s at the castle, she’s spending all her time at the BOCS meetings bitching at stuff. Obviously her 20 some years as supervisor did nothing. Thanks Hilda, for giving us “hoodbridge” to live in. You are sooooo my hero.

  29. Advocator said on 24 Apr 2008 at 3:52 pm:
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    Starryflights:

    Why would you want to start such a petition? Principi was elected, to my knowledge, legally and without controversy. Just because he disagrees with a policy decision by the rest of the Board is no reason to petition for his removal. This move may ultimately inure to our benefit, anyway.

  30. Freedom said on 24 Apr 2008 at 4:39 pm:
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    Riley said, “Of course there is a need for extra officers. We’ve had that need for years, but Deane and his top brass have denied that need existed.”

    Well Riley, I don’t doubt for a minute that we need more police officers “on the street,” but ask your Supervisor for a list of the vacant positions within Prince William County Government as of 1 April 2008.

    Such a list was given to each of the Supervisors. Of course, the County Exec and the Police Chief aren’t advertising that information and would just as soon you not see it. You would be absolutely amazed at the number of authorized positions that have been vacant for more than 90 days, months, even years. Yet, we need more PWCPD authorizations in the budget? That makes no sense at all!

  31. Riley said on 24 Apr 2008 at 4:51 pm:
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    Very interesting. And troubling.

  32. josh said on 24 Apr 2008 at 5:21 pm:
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    principi is a tool but the bottom line is that he was elected. I’m not exactly happy with it as it basically ensures that woodbridge is going to remain a hole as long as he is supervisor. If only Royce got elected we would be singing a different tune for sure.

  33. UnMasMexican said on 24 Apr 2008 at 5:22 pm:
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    You realize the errors of your ways. You now see you cannot pay for your racist revolucion. Viva la raza en PWC– es una dia buena!

  34. Question said on 24 Apr 2008 at 5:29 pm:
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    Question: I understand the need for dealing with illegal immigrants especially those that have proven to be prone to commit criminal activities. When I say criminal activities I don’t mean their illegal immigration status, but crimes such as Cocaine Possession, Attempted Murder, Sexual Assault & Battery, etc… These are a few of the criminal charges against some of the 30+ illegal immigrants arrested recently by Prince William County Police.

    My concern is how is the Police determining “probable cause to believe the person did not have legal presence”

    The Prince William County Police Status Report dated April 2, 2008 stated that the department had contact with 89 Illegal Aliens.
    What really concerns me is that the report states that 2 of the 89 “people were LATER determined, during a secondary screening by the Police department, to actually have legal status”. This might not seem to be much (2%), but was the rights of 2% of those detained/arrested violated. It might not seem like a big deal, but to me it is. Why do I say that, because anytime we overlook the right of one person being violated, we establish a precedence to violate the rights of others for other reason in the future.

    Not too long ago we as a nation took numerous U.S. Citizens and locked them up in concentration camp because we were afraid during World War II.
    For almost 20 years now I have served my country because I have been compelled to maintain what our founding fathers established at such a great price. I have traveled around the world and visited over 50 countries on Top Secret missions in the interest of U.S. national security and interests. On countless missions my life was in direct danger and yet I found it an honor to serve my country I love beyond expression.

    On numerous occasion I felt VERY UNCOMFORTABLE (and endangered) while serving and protecting our national interests overseas. And on one occasion was actually in what is referred to as “Ready Arms” stance while being surrounded by several host nation personnel shouting at me in their native tongue. Ready Arms is when you have your hand on your weapon ready to pull it out and start shooting. In 1995 I was traveling with a Distinguished Visitor (DV) who is currently a Presidential Candidate, and that DV had made a public statement that invoked an unfavorable response by the host nation authorities.

    When I detected a threat, the numerous personnel intervened and prevented me from further inspecting and neutralizing the threat and surrounded me; I was VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.

    The point of this story is that I now feel VERY UNCOMFORTABLE in Prince William County. The reason, I was born in California, am a born U.S. citizen, Service Disabled Veteran, and of Hispanic decent, with an unmistakable Hispanic name. On countless occasions while traveling on Official U.S. Government business with an Official Passport, I was held up by customs and subjected to interviews because of my name.

    Last year while on vacation in Buffalo NY, I decided to visit the Canada side of Niagara Falls. I asked personnel at the bridge if there was any special requirements regarding identification to go in and out into Canada and was told that my Virginia ID card would be sufficient. Later I found myself setting in a customs office for some time trying to convince customs to let me in the county. They looked me up in the customs database and could not find me to be a U.S. Citizen. I had to present my Birth Certificate and Passport to get issued that Virginia Drivers License, but they said it didn’t matter. I felt terrible and VERY UNCOMFORTABLE, my country is treating me as an outsider because their database does not show me as a U.S. Citizen. They explained that the database is designed to show legal aliens, and naturalized citizens, NOT natural born U.S. citizens. There I was, a born U.S. Citizens, Service Disabled Veteran with a Top Secret/SCI Security Clearance and they couldn’t prove I was a U.S. Citizen.

    Now I’m concerned that I too may be detained/arrested because a police officer in Prince William County has determined “Probable Cause” to question my legal presence. How embarrassing and shameful that would be, but it’s a fact of life I now have to face because of my name.

    Does this mean that have to carry my passport or birth certificate with me at all times now in order to prove I am a U.S. Citizen. Do my children have to likewise carry their birth certificates? After all my years of service protecting the rights and liberties of all U.S. Citizens; who will protect my rights and liberties.

  35. Purple said on 24 Apr 2008 at 5:35 pm:
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    Principi’s principle point (in the Washington Post Article) is that we don’t need to check a person’s citizenship twice: once in the field and once at the jail. Since we do the check automatically once a person is brought to the jail, why do it twice? Chief Dean provided some interesting insight when he stated (in the article) that most people arrested would have gone to jail anyway (and their citizenship would be checked there under a Federal policy implemented this summer).

    If you haven’t read this morning’s Washington Post article, you really should. The bottom line is that the reason for the Policy no longer exists. The question is whether or not our BOCS will respond to this new and very different environment and rescind the policy (as it relates to police checks) because it’s reduntant.

    It’s called Business Process Improvement. In a nutshell, it just isn’t good business to do (and pay for) the same process twice.

  36. starryflights said on 24 Apr 2008 at 5:48 pm:
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    Woodbridge is the slum of PWC, in my opinion. Principi should look at fixing the problem there, not adding to it. Shame on him for going down the same yellow brick road that Hilda frolicked down.

  37. Bob Wills said on 24 Apr 2008 at 5:53 pm:
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    Freedom said on 24 Apr 2008 at 4:39 pm:
    but ask your Supervisor for a list of the vacant positions within Prince William County Government as of 1 April 2008.

    Such a list was given to each of the Supervisors. Of course, the County Exec and the Police Chief aren’t advertising that information and would just as soon you not see it. You would be absolutely amazed at the number of authorized positions that have been vacant for more than 90 days, months, even years. Yet, we need more PWCPD authorizations in the budget? That makes no sense at all!

    Freedom you bring up an interesting question that was sort of hinted at during tuesday evening budget meeting. Gehart asked what “suspended” ment when the board said that about some of the items. Did it mean not filling a position now or eliminating it all together. With what you asked and I am wondering if the budget has to have the money in it to pay for a position even though no one is filling it. If the position is not filled then what is done with the money they put into the budget to cover that cost? Of course the BOCS supervisors may not want the public to know that this slush fund exists. All is not open to the public by the BOCS

  38. AWCheney said on 24 Apr 2008 at 5:53 pm:
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    Purple, the entire Resolution WAS redundant…but it was the only way to force our so-called public servants to do their job!! Without authorization, they had turned our county into a sanctuary jurisdiction; the Courts had a policy of catch and release, whether they knew the criminal’s residency status or not; police were told to turn the other way if they came across people with multiple IDs under different names, addresses that didn’t exist, or any number of “minor” infractions, and the jail had a policy of not enquiring into the legal status of ANY criminal, regardless of how egregious the crime; in so many ways they were treated as though they were above the law…that’s all changed. What really should be giving people pause is that it was NECESSARY to pass a resolution to have the law enforced.

  39. Bob Wills said on 24 Apr 2008 at 5:57 pm:
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    Riley said on 24 Apr 2008 at 3:35 pm:
    There are actual costs and then there are inflated costs, Bob. Seriously, it is a travesty that Chief Deane only wants to put cameras in police cars in response to this resolution for the narrow purpose that he purports. Our police officers deserved to have cameras in their cars for their own physical protection and evidentiary purposes in court a long time ago.

    I completely agree with you Riley and why there have not been cameras in the cars does bring up a serious question that needs to be answered.

  40. Purple said on 24 Apr 2008 at 6:25 pm:
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    What AWCheney said on 24 Apr 2008 at 5:53 pm Purple, the entire Resolution WAS redundant…

    AWCheney, you make an excellent point. I was (note was) for the resolution and (as you pointed out) it was necessary to have the law enforced. Now that it has served that purpose, it’s time to rescind that section relating to Police field checks.

    Have a party, declare victory, and save the taxpayers a lot of money… great job! Now, let’s rescind the resolution that we no longer need.

    I’m for strong enforcement of Illegal Immigration rules and happy to see the results here in PWC; however, I’m not for doing it twice on my dime.

  41. AsIseeit said on 24 Apr 2008 at 6:27 pm:
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    The CE is lacking in fortitude and is buddy bud w/the Chief. Also w/Barg.

    We need someone to rip our Budget apart and get to the basics.

    Principi ran to the newspaper, guess he wanted to be recognized.

    He will wish he hadn’t ,as the people do not agree with him.

    Nohe can play his cat and mouse games but he will see it will not work.

    Woner how much money Nohe has in his District Funds? Guess I’ll do a FOIA request on him. I know it’s at least $400,000 like Principi’s.

    So maybe they can give up some of that to help on the Budget.

  42. Anonymous said on 24 Apr 2008 at 6:39 pm:
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    UnMasMexican,

    Spoken like a true illiterate!

  43. UnMasMexican said on 24 Apr 2008 at 6:45 pm:
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    Anonymous–at least I am proud of who I am and do not hide behind an anonymous label. I am a proud Mexican-American and my people and I will stay in PWC no matter how hard you racists attempt to force us out.

    You need us, our labor, our services–you see us everyday as you shop and you know many of us are illegal and there is nothing you can do about it. You know now that you cannot even AFFORD to remove illegals…you see your house prices fall when you run us out and you hurt you more than us.

    You racists have proven to the great capitol of our nation that you ARE the backward DC area. Everyone now LAUGHS at Prince William. We will remake it in a proud image of our people and heritage and make PWC a “city on a a hill” as I learned in my citizenship classes.

    STOP BEING RACISTS and accept us as your neighbors because we accept you, our gringo hermanos. Your precious leader with his tax cuts and programs he cannot afford will certainly resign in shame.

    Lo siento, Greg, Adios senor Stewart y…..

    Viva la raza en PWC!

  44. AWCheney said on 24 Apr 2008 at 6:46 pm:
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    “Now that it has served that purpose, it’s time to rescind that section relating to Police field checks.”

    Oh, is that right Purple? Is that so we can go right back to the way it was before…as a sanctuary County? The same bureaucrats who didn’t want to enforce the law are still there. What makes you think that the removal of the Resolution is going to serve any purpose but theirs? Do I detect an “enabler” in your comments, or a member of MWB? Perhaps you are someone who lives in one of those jurisdictions which have been the beneficiaries of that Resolution, with a massive influx of those illegal aliens who fear the law being enforced. I can well understand that you would like that Resolution rescinded if you fall into any of those categories.

  45. Purple said on 24 Apr 2008 at 6:59 pm:
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    What AWCheney said on 24 Apr 2008 at 6:46 pm

    AWCheney, I am none of those things. I’m simply someone who disagrees with you. The inability of many of the participants to actually engage in constuctive dialog from different points of view is part of the problem…. the real problem.

  46. AWCheney said on 24 Apr 2008 at 7:00 pm:
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    UnMasMexican said on 24 Apr 2008 at 6:45 pm:

    Read that comment Purple…THAT is the most compelling reason to keep that Resolution, and fully fund it. Of course, perhaps you agree with UnMasMexican:

    “Viva la raza en PWC!”

  47. Benton said on 24 Apr 2008 at 7:11 pm:
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    Did you report your friends son yet AW?

  48. Purple said on 24 Apr 2008 at 7:12 pm:
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    Sorry, AWCheney, but I don’t agree with UnMasMexican. It’s his opinion. He’s entitled to it. I disagree with it. I certainly wouldn’t use one unattributed opinion to shape policy. UnMasMexican could be an HSM member just trying to give folks like you reason to try and keep the resolution.

    Effective, isn’t he.

  49. AWCheney said on 24 Apr 2008 at 7:18 pm:
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    You’re right Purple…I apologize. I was a bit harsh.

    Well, obviously you can see that I perceive no logic in giving the illegal aliens and their extremist leaders exactly what they want. They are desperate to have us take a step backwards and rid them of the “Rule of Law.” They feel that they are above it and are entitled to far more than the very citizens who are paying for that entitlement. I, for one, would rather pay to rid ourselves of that arrogant, illegal community than pay for all those entitlements that they are demanding.

  50. James Young said on 24 Apr 2008 at 7:47 pm:
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    At least Principi has the courage of his convictions. I can think of at least two, and perhaps three, of his colleagues who would probably love to do the same thing, and know that it would go over like a lead ballon.

  51. AWCheney said on 24 Apr 2008 at 7:51 pm:
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    By the way, you’re right about “AWCheney, I am none of those things. I’m simply someone who disagrees with you,” not about the presumption in your last comment (”UnMasMexican could be an HSM member just trying to give folks like you reason to try and keep the resolution.”). UnMasMexican is quite well known around here, and he is DEFINITELY NOT a member of HSM, or of any group in this debate other than LaRaza and/or Mexicans Without Borders. That says little for your perceptiveness.

  52. josh said on 24 Apr 2008 at 7:56 pm:
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    seems like principi and mama hilda just want to keep woodbridge the slum it is, it’s sad that they really want to wallow around in the filth (or let everyone else do it)

    It’s amazing how things change when you go from lakeridge over across Highway-1, it’s horrible. Lakeridge has it’s issues but nowhere near woodbridge, only problem is we share the same zip code and it affects property values apparently. The resolution is keeping the scum from filtering into our neighborhoods, if it’s taken away they surely will return. Keeping fingers crossed! The resolution is working, would work better if they took unmasmexican away!

  53. Freedom said on 24 Apr 2008 at 8:07 pm:
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    Unmasmexican, I have two things for you. Point one: You’re either an American of Mexican descent or you’re a Mexican living in America. Americans are Americans. Point two: Mexico needs you to clean up the squalor; we need you like a headache.

  54. Dolph said on 24 Apr 2008 at 8:09 pm:
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    I agree with Purple. We can accomplish 95% of what we need to with going through the jail. This will save millions.

    Why pay for something we don’t need to pay for? You will get almost no oppostion to the 287(g) jail component. Almost everyone I have talked to supports this measure. No one wants criminals on the street.

    When money is tight, we really need to evaluate what we have to spend, what it will get us, and what we will won’t get if we do spend. 287(g) at the jail is the most bang for our buck and it unites the county.

    The other option is going for the big win. Maybe you will win, maybe you won’t. Modifying the resolution so we can get criminals off the street and not destroy our limited budget is the real win/win solution.

    I think we need to worry more about what is best for our county and how we are going to approach an economic near-crisis than what unmasmexican is saying. I could care less what he is saying. Why should any of you? He is just jerking your chain. What we are facing is going to jerk your wallet.

  55. Emma said on 24 Apr 2008 at 8:09 pm:
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    Opponents of the Resolution try to continually chip away at it because they do not want it to work—they don’t want the savings in education, health care, prisons, etc., etc., to start becoming evident before they can hack away at it and get rid of it. I believe that, if given the chance, the resolution will more than pay for itself, if we can only keep the hacks at bay.

  56. AWCheney said on 24 Apr 2008 at 8:26 pm:
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    “What we are facing is going to jerk your wallet.”

    Dolph, our wallets are going to get jerked one way or the other…we happen to be in a recession. As I said before, I’d rather have that wallet jerked right now by getting rid of an enormous problem immediately that will benefit those wallets in the future than have those wallets jerked by that problem now and well into the future.

  57. me-n-u said on 24 Apr 2008 at 8:30 pm:
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    The link is Principi stating that the resolution needs to be funded.

    frank principi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_tsFdA5phY

    By Kristen Mack
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Thursday, November 1, 2007; Page PW04
    “We need to celebrate our diversity, not crackdown on illegal immigrants,” said Principi, whose wife is from Peru. “It is very personal for me and my family. The Republican-led debate has spread fear and dissension in this community. It has destroyed relationships, embarrassed us as a county and ruined our reputation in the business community.”
    Principi’s priorities, if elected, would be controlling growth and attracting commercial development to keep pace with the residential boom of the past decade. He also is advocating a Potomac River commuter ferry that would run to the Navy Yard and Pentagon and help reduce traffic on Route 1 and Interstate 95.

  58. Anonymous said on 24 Apr 2008 at 8:51 pm:
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    And I would rather not pay twice. The economic downturn is more than just that in Prince William County. Too bad more money wasn’t put into the jail and to neighborhood services. The neighborhoods face many challenges over the next few months to a year. I fear there will be many unintended consequences. I see many of them already.

  59. Good Time Charlie said on 24 Apr 2008 at 9:01 pm:
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    Cutting out overtime pay for excess court hours, mandating that supervisors lower the evaluation scores of sworn members to reduce pay costs, and slashing out costs of living increases, having BOCS members force him to fill vacant personnel slots, while at the same time communications personnel stacked between 30-45 calls for service on a daily basis (routinely having patrol members at times answer priority status responses only).

    Meanwhile C.I.D. property crimes detectives were handling 50 cases at any given time, while violent crimes detectives were assigned as many as 25-30 cases involving rape, robbery, murder, stabbings, shootings, and any other incident that made the front page of the Potomac News. The vice-narcotics unit has always been a hit and run operation working very few historical cases (which has ony led to numerous drug related homicides).

    I read in a recent thread that I was labeled a disgrunted employee. It’s hard not to be when you routinely take your work home just to stay caught up on the administrative requirements of the job because during working hours you’re spending your time with all 10 fingers in the damn.

    I’ve openly heard senior staff members complaining that police officers no longer have loyalty, and that’s the reason they leave the department. Charlie Deane never served in the military. He doesn’t understand that leadership is about taking care of your people. Show loyalty to your people, and they will return it. It’s a concept he has never understood because keeping the ranks straight with an iron fist has always been his philosophy.

    I’m just telling you a story of a department that slowly declined in morale & effectiveness under Deane’s tenure.

  60. choctaws said on 24 Apr 2008 at 9:13 pm:
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    something for nothing
    and your chicks for free

    May a tornado lay waste to PWC

  61. Michael said on 24 Apr 2008 at 9:33 pm:
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    Frank Principi, you are an idiot, for telling the police not to enfoce the law. How much more arrogant can you get?

  62. Gainesville Resident said on 24 Apr 2008 at 9:33 pm:
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    I’m not worried about the resolution being overturned. The rats are fleeing the once safe ship of PWC and it is becoming more and more obvious. No way the supervisors overturn it despite the rumblings. They’d all be voted out and they know it. This county is already 10 times better than it was and its only been a few weeks.

    The media heat will be off PWC once other local jurisdictions start copycat policies, and believe me they will. The Post and other wacky left groups will focus on the next battlegrounds. PWC is a clear defeat for the illegals and no spinmeisters can change that fact.

    Better defend the other local jurisdictions, illegal apologists, and save your powder or you’ll find yourself completely run out of the entire DC Metro area.

    Adios Amigos.

  63. UnMasMexican said on 24 Apr 2008 at 9:34 pm:
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    Me a member of HSM?? HA. Never would I join such a group of racists.
    Your recent comments about mariachi bands, etc., just prove what racists this group are and help make HSM a laughing stock.
    We just want to be accepted as the valuable contributons to American society we are. Why is that so dificil for you to comprehend?

    Viva la raza y god bless los estados unidos!

  64. Michael said on 24 Apr 2008 at 9:38 pm:
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    Frank, you are ignorant community leader wannabe, and you don’t even understand that diversity is an illegal concept based on rewarding “one of each race” while hurting any group with more numbers than the minority you picked the one of each from, and preventing them from having an equal opportunity based on skill, talent, performance, ability and intelligence.

    THAT is a supreme court ruling, equal opportunity is guaranteed, but not equal outcomes (racial numbers balancing, or choosing one of each based on race and ethnic group)

  65. Michael said on 24 Apr 2008 at 9:40 pm:
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    I too have an ethnically different wife, but I don’t even think anywhere close to your ethnic group bias and racially deterministic thought process.

  66. Anonymous said on 24 Apr 2008 at 9:43 pm:
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    Some foreign-born inmates avoid residency checks in Pr. William jail
    Dan Genz, The Examiner
    2008-04-18 07:00:00.0
    Current rank: # 65 of 14,386

    WASHINGTON -
    Jail officials are not checking the legal status of all foreign-born inmates, including felons, in Prince William County’s highly publicized crackdown on illegal immigrants.

    Officials say they are months away from the county’s goal of screening all immigrants because of space and personnel constraints.

    Twenty-eight percent of the foreign-born suspects booked at the jail in March, or 88 inmates, did not receive checks that could lead to possible deportation by federal officials under the county’s much-publicized crackdown on illegal immigrants.

    Of those, eight were charged with felonies.

    Although screening of inmates increased considerably over February, officials say the nearly 10-month-old operation is not able to screen each of the more than 3,500 foreign-born inmates processed each year. About one-quarter of the overcrowded jail’s 1,200 inmates booked monthly are born outside the U.S.

    Jail officials say the facility will not be able to monitor all incoming inmates until they can double the number of corrections officers trained to use a federal system for identifying illegal immigrants.

    They credit a small crew of five officers who have worked overtime to run the program.

    “They got to 89 percent of the felons,” said Col. Peter Meletis, the jail superintendent. “They can’t get to all of them because we don’t have 24-7 capacity. We don’t have the trained staff.”

    “Obviously, we would like it to be greater,” Jail Board Chairman Patrick Hurd told The Examiner. “We’re trying to get as much of them on the front end as we can, but we can’t always get to that 100 percent level.”

    Scrutiny was at its lowest on Saturdays in March, the jail’s busiest day of the week. While 186 of 210 foreign-born inmates, or 89 percent, were reviewed Monday through Friday, only 21 of 62 were reviewed on Saturdays, or about one-third.

    The jail recently rearranged the schedule to provide better coverage on weekend bookings, Meletis said.

    The jail is training four more officers for the program, and its $33 million budget for the coming fiscal year will include more positions for screeners and more than $1.5 million for extra jail space to accommodate the inmates.

    “We’re not 100 percent, but that’s clearly the direction we are going,” said Prince William County Chairman Corey Stewart, who has called the program a “stunning success.”

    “They are working 50-60 hour weeks to get through the backlog and accomplish everything we’ve asked them to do, and that’s going to be rectified in next year’s budget.”

    dgenz@dcexaminer.com

  67. AWCheney said on 24 Apr 2008 at 9:43 pm:
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    “We just want to be accepted as the valuable contributons to American society we are.”

    Is that why, in one of your first appearances on this site on a long ago thread, you threatened to come to my home and show my daughter your mascho charms UnMasMexican? I felt then, as I do now, that you should take your “charms” back to Mexico…and don’t forget to take your friends with you!

  68. Michael said on 24 Apr 2008 at 9:43 pm:
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    Frank, If you exercise diversity in practice and it affects my equal opportunity, I will sue you and I will win.

  69. starryflights said on 24 Apr 2008 at 9:48 pm:
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    Numbersusa has a fax to send to the PWC Supervisors. I was just there and I sent mine.

  70. Anonymous said on 24 Apr 2008 at 9:49 pm:
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    UnMasMexican,

    Gee, I guess “Viva la raza” isn’t racist……hmmmmmm? If you want to live where you are accepted with your views, then move to MEXICO! No racists down there, because they all moved from there to here! They just don’t speak English.

  71. Michael said on 24 Apr 2008 at 9:50 pm:
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    Whoever criticized mariachi should not have done so, someone should have spoken up. People need to understand this issue is not about any ethnic group, race, gender or religion, but only about legal and illegal behavior. The difficulty enforcing this point however in every single idiotic post done in anger and ignorance is that most of the offenders are factually coming from one or related ethnic group populations and it is easy to confuse people who are uncertain what the real target is and should be. Keep your eyes focused only on the “illegal” behavior, there are enough offenders in every cultural group to warrant your focus on that and that only.

  72. Dave in PWC said on 24 Apr 2008 at 9:53 pm:
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    That’s so nice choctaws. May the fleas of a thousand buffalos infest your armpits.

  73. Anonymous said on 24 Apr 2008 at 9:54 pm:
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    starryflights said on 24 Apr 2008 at 9:48 pm:
    Numbersusa has a fax to send to the PWC Supervisors. I was just there and I sent mine.

    As did I, with a “personal” email to Frank. Everyone should go to numbersusa and send faxes! It is SO easy - takes 2 minutes.

  74. manassascityresident said on 24 Apr 2008 at 9:56 pm:
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    Sorry, anon 9:54 comment was manassascityresident.

  75. Anonymous said on 24 Apr 2008 at 9:57 pm:
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    choctaws,

    If a tornado lays waste to PWC they’ll just rename it Mexico, since the two will look the same!

  76. starryflights said on 24 Apr 2008 at 11:10 pm:
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    Amen!

  77. manassascityresident said on 24 Apr 2008 at 11:17 pm:
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    Robert T. Molleur said on 24 Apr 2008 at 10:39 pm:

    AMEN is right!
    Very well stated, and VERY true!

  78. A Reader said on 25 Apr 2008 at 12:08 am:
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    I left a phone message for Principi We should all make repeated calls to his office. We citizens demand that the laws be enforced. Ask EVERYONE stopped by the police about their citizenship. Enforce the law! It’s really very simple.

  79. choctaws said on 25 Apr 2008 at 6:01 am:
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    a reader 1208am

    Thats a good answer.
    Treat everyone the same, no problemo.
    Also, it will force all you idiots to drive sensably.

  80. freedom said on 25 Apr 2008 at 7:03 am:
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    Ya know what? I think Frank Principi, in his infinite wisdom, did more to cement support for the Rule of Law Resolution than he did to hurt it. :) :)

  81. Purple said on 25 Apr 2008 at 7:26 am:
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    The Illegal Immigration Resolution and whether or not we should keep or rescind it isn’t about Illegal Immigration, it’s about money. Make no mistake, I’m against illegal immigration (and, frankly, any other violations of the law). The County shouldn’t spend money that it doesn’t have.

    The budget climate has changed… so should the things that the County opts to pay for. In this climate, it should do (and pay for) less. The costs associated with implementing the Illegal Immigration Resolution is an obvious target.

    This is particularly true since the Feds appear to be stepping up as a result of the pressure created by the Illegal Immigration resolution. We should leverage the Feds action and use it as an opportunity to reduce costs financing a program that is a Federal responsibility to begin with.

  82. Keep Fighting Until They're All GONE said on 25 Apr 2008 at 7:45 am:
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    http://www.crisis-partners.com/bio.html

    Is this why Principi loves the Latinos? Did he marry one? His wife certainly looks like one…now I’m getting it…

  83. NoVA Scout said on 25 Apr 2008 at 8:04 am:
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    I sense a reverse-polarity phenomenon in PW. Guys who call themselves conservatives are now fiscal leftists and edging toward good old communist police state views on civil liberties, and Dems like Principi seem suddenly to have grasped conservative fiscal principles and traditional civil liberties and federalist values. Things like this killed the dinosaurs eons ago. I suppose it may all be just cheap, shallow local political opportunism on both sides. Too bad. It would be more interesting if any of it were heartfelt.

  84. me-n-u said on 25 Apr 2008 at 8:25 am:
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    Please shut down his phone line

    Woodbridge District
    Frank J. Principi
    Phone: 703-792-4646
    Aide: 703-792-4647

  85. me-n-u said on 25 Apr 2008 at 8:28 am:
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    And here’s the others. Call them since we don’t know how they will vote to rescind the resolution. Nohe and Caddigan need to be called the most.

    Coles District
    Martin E. Nohe
    Phone: 703-792-4620
    Aide: 703-792-4621

    Brentsville District
    Wally Covington
    Phone: 703-792-6190
    Aide: 703-792-6191

    Occoquan District
    Michael C. May
    Phone: 703-792-4643
    Aide: 703-792-4644

    Dumfries District
    Maureen S. Caddigan
    Phone: 703-792-4645
    Aide: 703-792-4648

    Neabsco District
    John D. Jenkins
    Phone: 703-792-4668
    Aide: 703-792-4667

  86. Mando said on 25 Apr 2008 at 8:49 am:
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    Emails sent. Hopefully this is just the dying gasps from the pro-illegal alien crowd and businesses that can’t stay in business without illegal labor. The waves of rhetoric are crashing harder, but hopefully the water will calm down once this bunch either drowns or hops into another pond.

    Burn the phone lines up and send your emails!!!

  87. legal2 said on 25 Apr 2008 at 8:58 am:
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    from me n u @ 8:30 pm 4/24. “The link is Principi stating that the resolution needs to be funded.

    frank principi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_tsFdA5phY

    By Kristen Mack
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Thursday, November 1, 2007; Page PW04
    “We need to celebrate our diversity, not crackdown on illegal immigrants,” said Principi, whose wife is from Peru. “It is very personal for me and my family. The Republican-led debate has spread fear and dissension in this community. It has destroyed relationships, embarrassed us as a county and ruined our reputation in the business community.”

    I wonder if Principi’s wife is a member of UnityInCommun./WoodbridgeWorkers/MWB? Perhaps he should introduce her to YouDon’tSpeakforMe. http://dontspeakforme.org/

  88. 999 said on 25 Apr 2008 at 9:05 am:
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    UnMasMexican said on 24 Apr 2008 at 9:34 pm:
    We just want to be accepted as the valuable contributons to American society we are. Why is that so dificil for you to comprehend?

    An example of your “valuable contributions to American society”

    By Elisa Glushefski

    Published: April 25, 2008

    By ELISA A. GLUSHEFSKI

    eglushefski@manassasjm.com

    Police took down a brothel this week, arresting a woman accused of prostitution and five men allegedly there for her

    services, authorities said

    Thursday.

    A search was conducted at 7629-A Chestnut St. near Manassas Park around 8:03 p.m. Tuesday, said Officer Erika Hernandez, Prince William police spokeswoman.

    Detectives from the police department’s street crimes unit seized approximately $859 and charged Yudelka S. Escolbores, 25, of no fixed address, with

    prostitution, Hernandez said.

    An ICE detainer was placed on Escolbores, who is from the Dominican Republic, Hernandez said. She is being held without bond at Prince William-Manassas regional jail pending a June 6 court hearing.

    The following were charged with frequenting a bawdy house and were released on

    summonses:

    Jose E. Cubias-Reyes, 26, 9379 Taney Road in Manassas; Eric M. Aguilera, 33, 123 Manassas Drive in Manassas Park; Ariel S. Moya, 22, 116 Holden Drive in Manassas Park; Israel Diaz-Diaz, 44, 7401 Willoughby Lane, Apt. 101, near Manassas; and Edson N. Lino-Cardenas, 33, 8318 Leighlex Court outside Manassas Park, Hernandez said.

    Each is scheduled to appear in court June 6.

    Also arrested during the raid was a 17-year-old, Hernandez said. He was charged with

    pandering.

    The teen, whose name was not released because he is a minor, is being held without bond at the Juvenile Detention Center and will have a hearing in Juvenile and

    Domestic Relations court.

    Police began the investigation after receiving a tip that the house was being used for prostitution, Hernandez said.

    Staff writer Elisa Glushefski can be reached at 703-878-8062 or eglushefski@potomacnews.com.

  89. anon said on 25 Apr 2008 at 9:34 am:
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    In addition to the prostitute, at least one man was an illegal immigrant:

    From Channel 8 News:

    Police: Teenage Pimp and Brothel Busted in Manassas

    Several people were arrested, including a teenage pimp, after Prince William County (web|news) Police raided an alleged brothel at a Manassas home.

    Tuesday night, detectives raided the bordello and arrested five “johns” along with a minor who reportedly acted as the prostitute’s pimp. Twenty-five-year-old Yudelka Escolbores, a native of the Dominican Republic, was busted for prostitution.

    “Its very sad and it’s very frightening to me.” Neighbor Bess Corbin said she always suspected something illegal was going on next door. “I see so much traffic that goes down there, just terminates right there at the driveway.”

    A Salvadoran man, who has been in the county illegally for almost a year, was one of the six men arrested. “I had the desire to be with a woman that night. So I went over there and had relations with one of the woman.”

    Police said the following suspects were charged with frequenting a bawdy house.

    Jose E. Cubias-Reyes, 26, Manassas

    Eric M. Aguilera, 33, Manassas Park

    Ariel S. Moya, 22, Manassas Park

    Israel Diaz-Diaz, 44

    Edson N. Lino-Cardenas, 33, Manassas

    Junior Jenkins rents the basement of the home and said he always noticed, what he calls, “trashy women” coming in and out, especially late at night. He was home when the detectives came in. “I was downstairs. They come down there and ask me what was going on and I told them, you know, I don’t know what’s going on.”

    Inside, police also found more than $800 in case. During the short time an ABC 7 News crew was outside the house, several cars, with men inside, pulled up. One even looked at the crew and quickly scattered.

    The man who was summoned said he regrets what he did. “I know it’s wrong what I did, but sometimes the temptation is too great.”

    Each person faces 12 months in jail, $2500 in fines and possible deportation. Police said at least one of the men and the prostitute are in the country illegally.

  90. june_reston said on 25 Apr 2008 at 9:45 am:
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    Could it be Prinicipi owes a few favors to friends in Fairfax County?

    Last night on the news, a Fairfax County money handlers was trying to explain the need for a real estate tax rate increase. It seems, among the costs that were “overlooked” in the previous budget meetings, is the recent influx of some 400 “immigrants” who signed up for ESOL classes.

    Fairfax County is known as a safe haven for illegal aliens. It’s understood (by just about everyone except the BOS) that these 400 “immigrants” aren’t going to stop at ESOL lessons - they will go for the gold and latch on to any and all “perceived entitlements” they can swindle from the tax payers.

    My guess is Sully District will be hit the hardest and Frey will give us his usual hands in the air look of bewilderment asking, “where did all these people come from, and what do you expect me to do about it?”

    Keep in mind, Frey’s last “solution” to the growing number of illegal aliens congregating in front of the library, trashing the area and destroying the grass was to replace the sod at regular intervals. The library staff took a more proactive step and introduced the illegals to indoor plumbing.

  91. freedom said on 25 Apr 2008 at 9:45 am:
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    Unmasmexican said:

    “We just want to be accepted as the valuable contributons to American society we are. Why is that so dificil for you to comprehend?”

    Unmas, we really appreciate your generosity, but to be honest, we simply don’t need any more of your “valuable contributions,” whether they be the prostitutes OR the “johns.”

    Oh, and on your way out of town, don’t forget to take all your “valuable contributions” with you.

  92. Advocator said on 25 Apr 2008 at 9:48 am:
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    And it starts:

    Hundreds of illegal immigrants awaiting deportation rioted at a county-run detention center and had to be subdued with tear gas, authorities said Wednesday.

    The riot Tuesday started as a fight between detainees from rival gangs and spread to the detention center’s outdoor yard, said Virginia Kice, a spokeswoman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

    Nearby sheriff’s stations sent additional deputies to separate the detainees. The brawl was diffused “within minutes” after tear gas was used, said sheriff’s spokesman Steve Whitmore.

    Fights among incarcerated gang members periodically break out at state jails, prisons and immigrant detention facilities, sometimes sparking riots.

    The federal Department of Homeland Security contracts with the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department to staff and manage the Mira Loma Detention Center in Lancaster, which holds about 900 detainees who are in the process of being deported or awaiting resolution of their cases in immigration courts.

    Ten detainees were treated for injuries, including two who suffered serious head injuries.

    Sheriff’s officials will evaluate how Mira Loma guards separate detainees based on gang affiliation, Whitmore said. About 45 detainees involved in the riot have been identified as suspected gang members and moved to other federal facilities.

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  93. Dolph said on 25 Apr 2008 at 9:50 am:
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    I am glad to see the johns being arrested also.

    Interesting that those making the arrest were with the department’s street crimes unit.

    ‘Detectives from the police department’s street crimes unit seized approximately $859 and charged Yudelka S. Escolbores, 25, of no fixed address, with prostitution, Hernandez said.

    An ICE detainer was placed on Escolbores, who is from the Dominican Republic, Hernandez said. She is being held without bond at Prince William-Manassas regional jail pending a June 6 court hearing.’

    It sounds like everything federal happened at the jail. Jail 287(g) saves money. Criminal Alien Unit with the Police Department costs major bucks.

  94. Advocator said on 25 Apr 2008 at 10:29 am:
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    Dolph: You state, “Criminal Alien Unit with the Police Department costs major bucks.” How so? Looks to me like it’s paying for itself and will eventually work itself out of a job.

  95. Mando said on 25 Apr 2008 at 10:32 am:
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    I saw this on the news last night. The guy they interviewed that stated he was an illegal alien was free as a bird. Wonder if he’ll make it to his court date?

    They showed one of the SUV’s coming down the road. It stopped and turned around quickly after spotting the activity.

  96. Dave in PWC said on 25 Apr 2008 at 10:37 am:
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    Yudelka was just doing the jobs Americans won’t do…

  97. Herndon Bob said on 25 Apr 2008 at 10:37 am:
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    Mr. Principi

    As an elected official you took an oath of office to uphold the Law and represent the citizens of your district.

    I hope you are taking the time to answer all of the phone calls your are receiving. You personally (not your staff) should also be reading all of the email you are receiving. I hope you have plenty of paper in your fax machine this morning. The position you have taken does not sit well with the public and they are paying attention.

    I would like to thank you however. Your political nonsense has managed to yet again focus the public to the consequences of not enforcing immigration law.

  98. madmom said on 25 Apr 2008 at 11:32 am:
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    Couple of things…..

    First, can Principi actually get the Resolution overturned by himself? My emails have been sent.

    Second, UMM, I take great offense to you and yours that insult our intelligence by insinuating that citizens of the US are incapable of mowing grass and cleaning a house. How dare you infer that you are the only ones with the expertise in these jobs. The fact is, these jobs are ALL you can do, because of your lack of education. And when you do them, you steal the job and income of an American Citizen that could damn well use that job and money to support HIS OWN family, HERE in the United States.

    Third, I totally blame the illegal aliens that have invaded our great country on the housing downturn and the mess our economy is in right now. By being the invisible work force that has slowly but surely taken jobs from American citizens, you are the people that have made citizens not able to afford their mortgages, pay their bills and support their families because YOU have stolen their jobs from them.

    I am one of these people that you have constantly stolen work from my business. I can no longer ignore that my business has suffered terribly because of your friends bidding jobs at 1/2 the cost that they should be. That’s because they have NO overhead to pay for.
    So, yes, I blame each one of you hanging out at the 7/11’s who can’t wait to steal more money from those of us entitled to it.

    And just recently, an article in the MJM reported that Latinos are ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR SEVENTY TO EIGHTY PERCENT OF THE FORCLOSURES IN PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY. Must be nice to just walk away from a mortgage and your (non-existent) credit report not be affected.

    Another house down the street vacated on Tuesday…..with their 10 mattresses strapped to their trucks. ADIOS.

  99. Advocator said on 25 Apr 2008 at 11:39 am:
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    Madmom: You state, “I totally blame the illegal aliens that have invaded our great country on the housing downturn and the mess our economy is in right now.” You should blame them a little, for violating our sovereign Nation’s borders by hiding in a car trunk, trekking across the desert, wading across a river, or by overstaying their visas. However, the real culprits in this whole affair are the felonious employers who hire the illegals and the do-nothing politicians at the federal level (Frank Wolf and Tom Davis in this area), who are either too scared or too indebted to the felonious employers to do anything. You are correct that the housing/economic debacle is directly related to the Illegal Invasion, but the blame for the Invasion lies at the feet of our own traitorous countrymen.

  100. AWCheney said on 25 Apr 2008 at 11:50 am:
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    “We should leverage the Feds action and use it as an opportunity to reduce costs financing a program that is a Federal responsibility to begin with.”

    You don’t know much about the Fed, do you Purple. Allow me to enlighten you. Why do you think that it took Frank Wolf stamping his feet to get ICE to do its job? What do you think will happen if the County pulls back on the Resolution? Why is it always necessary to keep the pressure on the Fed to do their job if they don’t want to do it?

    1. Federal employees are sensitive to Congressional attention of any kind, particularly that of a Congressman with the kind of seniority that Frank Wolf has. It’s the money, you see…Congress holds the purse strings. Everybody owes Frank a great big thank you.
    2. If the County pulls back on the Resolution, there is no longer any political value, particularly in an election year, to keep the pressure on. ICE didn’t want to do it in the first place…it would give them the excuse.
    3. The answer to this goes back to #2. The White House has sent obvious signals that they WANT the illegal aliens here. ICE is part of the Executive Branch. Add to that the underfunding of the agency; the fact that it’s virtually impossible for citizens to sue, or in any way, compel the Fed for any reason; and the Peter Principle. There’s a reason that “bureaucrat” is almost a dirty word…and the ADMINISTRATORS of ICE, if not the enforcers, are just that.

    Pressure MUST continue, particularly on the Congress.

  101. legal2 said on 25 Apr 2008 at 12:23 pm:
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    Look to California (Mexifornia) to see where we are headed if we rescind or eviscerate the Resolution. Hospitals closing because of non-payers, cities going bankrupt, police using their resources to break up gang fights at day laborer centers. If that’s what you want Prince William County or Virginia to become, Mr. Principi, et al., then be the spineless, politically-correct, aiding & abetting illegal alien supporter you appear to be. Once you turn us into Virgexico, expect more gang violence and kidnapping on a regular basis - that’s routine in Mexico. Watch “Man on Fire”, with Denzel Washington.

  102. Gainesville Resident said on 25 Apr 2008 at 12:29 pm:
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    Hey, be a good neighbor and don’t forget to sing to your illegal alien neighbors fleeing in the night with their 10 mattresses strapped to their beaten up white vans. You need to return the favor of all the loud music they played for you at 3:00 AM every night. Your song can go something like this:

    “Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey hey, good bye.”

    Keep the emails/voicemails to the county supervisors going. Word is they are getting innundated with support of the resolution. They wouldn’t dare overturn it thankfully.

  103. AWCheney said on 25 Apr 2008 at 12:46 pm:
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    “Guys who call themselves conservatives are now fiscal leftists and edging toward good old communist police state views on civil liberties, and Dems like Principi seem suddenly to have grasped conservative fiscal principles and traditional civil liberties and federalist values.”

    NoVA, I’d be really interested to hear how you define conservatism. My concept of the term is that it involves careful, prudent politics, taking into consideration long term goals…not instant gratification. For myself, I consider small business and entrepreneurism to be a major component of conservatism. I also believe that fiscal conservatism can best be related to the balanced checkbook and family budget. I also believe, however, that often an immediate investment is necessary to save considerably more in the future (Example: At my insistence, we bought our Prius at a time when they were scarce and expensive. I’d been doing some research and determined that the gas prices were steadily going to go up; there was a tax credit on them; they also had a HOV dispensation which would survive sun setting. The car paid for itself on a monthly basis…and my husband laughs at the SUVs as he fills up his tank, maybe, once a week…although he was rather upset when it cost him $26.00 to fill up last time.).

    That is the situation here. For a reasonable investment, sans Chief Deane’s attempts to turn it into an omnibus budget, the potential long-term savings and, just as importantly, improvement of quality of life here in the county portend an excellent return. There is also the matter of law and order…very definitely a conservative issue. There is no question that PWC was headed into a lawless state, with the citizens cowering in their homes or leaving them. Now that it has reversed, and the illegal aliens are leaving, this county is turning around. How’s your neighborhood looking these days, NoVA?

  104. Principi Loves Illegals said on 25 Apr 2008 at 12:58 pm:
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    It’s no wonder that Principi wants to rescind the Rule of Law Resolution when the parents of his Peruvian wife are illegal aliens living in Fairfax County. Too bad voters in Woodbridge weren’t told about this before they elected this disaster onto the board of supervisors…

  105. MP Resident said on 25 Apr 2008 at 1:07 pm:
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    “NoVA, I’d be really interested to hear how you define conservatism.”

    It’s probably substantially similar to how McCain supporters define it.

  106. Advocator said on 25 Apr 2008 at 1:08 pm:
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    We really should leave the in-laws of the Supervisors out of this discussion. Everyone of us has some “black sheep” in our extended families.

  107. Herndon Bob said on 25 Apr 2008 at 1:13 pm:
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    Here is another unintended consequence of enforcing immigration law.

    Unemployment rates are rising across the United States, except Oklahoma. That state is experiencing the most dramatic reduction in unemployment since 2007.

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=62537

  108. starryflights said on 25 Apr 2008 at 1:32 pm:
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    How do you know that Principi’s in-laws are illegal aliens? I think it does matter. He was elected to look out for the interests of PWC citizens and legal residents, NOT illegal aliens. I hope he will remember that.

  109. Question said on 25 Apr 2008 at 1:35 pm:
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    I’m amazed on how none of you have been concerned with my rights, a natural born U.S. citizen who has served his country for so long. I have fought to protect YOUR Freedom, Rights, and Liberties and on numerous occasions been exposed to tremendous danger. Even being in locations deep in the Middle East with a handful of weapons all alone in the interest of U.S. national interest/security.

    And yet I find myself now being treated like an outsider and second class citizen. Why, Because I am of Mexican descent. And somehow none of you consider this discrimination solely based on my ethnic background. The definition of Racism is “racial prejudice or discrimination”, and that is all I’m seeing expressed here since none of you have been concerned with my civil rights as a natural born U.S. Citizen.

    I ask again, now that I have served to protect the Freedom, Rights, and Liberties of ALL U.S. Citizens, who will fight to protect mine?

  110. starryflights said on 25 Apr 2008 at 1:40 pm:
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    If you are in this country legally, you have no problem. PWC has a huge population of military personal. My DS was also in Iraq and my DH is retired military.

  111. Bryanna said on 25 Apr 2008 at 1:57 pm:
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    The implementation of the Rule of Law is a success, and has saved the county money in numerous ways, as it was intended to do.

    The Resolution of Law should not be rescinded, and the BOCS is not obligated to fulfill Chief Deanes Wish List. Since the PWPD didn’t profile before the Resolution why would they now?

    If we’re going to amend the Resolution, lets follow FREDERICK, MD who declared ENGLISH THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE, so local government, and schools, wcould save tax payers money by reducing inflated print costs!

    I’m a tax payer, a citizen, I receive 0 county services, not even public schools, we can afford to fund rhe resolution and reduce tax bills.

    Let’s do it BOCS!

  112. Question said on 25 Apr 2008 at 2:04 pm:
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    My concern is still the same; I have to prove my citizenship for no other reason than the fact that I have a Hispanic name. I have already been detained by customs while carrying an Official Passport and have had customs tell me they could not confirm my citizenship since their system is designed to track Legal and Illegal Aliens and/or Naturalized Citizens, not Natural Born Citizen.

    My concern still stands; why do I have to live with the fear and discomfort of having to prove my citizenship or suffer the consequences. Somehow this Citizen Verification system has to be improved so that no U.S. citizens’ rights freedom from harassment and unlawful search and seizer and/or loss of liberties is violated.

    If they will violate my rights now because the so called cause justifies it, what make you think that one day someone won’t be able to justify violating your rights for a new so called Justified Cause?

    Whenever the government of the people begins to pass laws that infringes on the rights and liberties of ANY U.S. Citizens, we should be VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.

  113. Advocator said on 25 Apr 2008 at 2:04 pm:
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    Question:

    If you’ve experienced discrimination due to either your ethnic background or military service, contact me at DukesPlace@aol.com and describe the incident(s) and I’ll try and determine if there is anything that I can do for you in the legal arena.

    Thank you for your service.

  114. Anonymous said on 25 Apr 2008 at 2:13 pm:
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    Question said on 25 Apr 2008 at 2:04 pm:
    My concern is still the same; I have to prove my citizenship for no other reason than the fact that I have a Hispanic name.

    I have to prove I am not a terrorist whenever I fly. My name appears on a “list” and takes upwards of an hour at check-in the straighten it out. This is after serving the U.S. Government for over 30 years and holding some of the highest clearances issued.

  115. Anonymous said on 25 Apr 2008 at 2:15 pm:
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    Principi Loves Illegals said on 25 Apr 2008 at 12:58 pm:
    It’s no wonder that Principi wants to rescind the Rule of Law Resolution when the parents of his Peruvian wife are illegal aliens living in Fairfax County. Too bad voters in Woodbridge weren’t told about this before they elected this disaster onto the board of supervisors…

    Is he aiding and abbeting the in-laws when they visit his home?

  116. legal2 said on 25 Apr 2008 at 2:16 pm:
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    Question, if you are a US citizen, then your ID should be valid. Sorry for the problems caused by the illegal alien influx, of which most are hispanic, and which we must now try to fix at the local level. The abusers of our system do cause many problems which cost all of us time, energy, quality of life, safety, money, and more.
    Thank you for serving your country.

  117. 999 said on 25 Apr 2008 at 2:17 pm:
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    Advocator said on 25 Apr 2008 at 1:08 pm:
    We really should leave the in-laws of the Supervisors out of this discussion. Everyone of us has some “black sheep” in our extended families.

    Not if they are illegals!

  118. MP Resident said on 25 Apr 2008 at 2:22 pm:
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    “I have already been detained by customs while carrying an Official Passport and have had customs tell me they could not confirm my citizenship since their system is designed to track Legal and Illegal Aliens and/or Naturalized Citizens, not Natural Born Citizen.”

    Something smells in this story. Was it a US passport you were carrying?

  119. legal2 said on 25 Apr 2008 at 2:32 pm:
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    Perhaps an anchor baby?

  120. AWCheney said on 25 Apr 2008 at 2:38 pm:
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    “And yet I find myself now being treated like an outsider and second class citizen. Why, Because I am of Mexican descent.”

    Unfortunately Question, you have become a victim of the extremists who have tried to turn this into a racial issue. From the beginning, we have been saying that this has NOTHING to do with race, only illegal vs. legal! Thanks to groups such as La Raza, Mexicans Without Borders, and others like them who have managed to shift the debate to Hispanic vs. non-Hispanic (in other words, racial) in order to cloud the real issue with racism at a time when it did not exist as part of the debate, innocents such as yourself have been caught in the middle. This is why we have been begging for legal residents and American citizens of Hispanic background to come forward and make their views known. We have heard from at least one that I can recall, right here on this blog, who, posting pseudonymously, said that he would gladly come forward but he has been threatened and fears for his life (the majority of the gang members in this area are illegal aliens). My own daughter was threatened on this very blog because I oppose ILLEGAL immigration and post under my own name (see previous comment on this thread).

    I am, myself, a naturalized citizen, Question, so I can understand the situation that you must find yourself in now, and you were actually born here. Place the blame for that where it belongs…with those who care nothing for our (in my case, adopted) country, only those vested interests which bring them to the debate. Read between the lines…you’ll find it all there.

  121. MP Resident said on 25 Apr 2008 at 2:43 pm:
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    The reason I ask is that it’s not unheard of for someone to have two passports if they have dual citizenship(for example, US and German). If such a person attempts to use their German passport to enter/exit the USA it will definitely raise some eyebrows at the airport.

  122. 999 said on 25 Apr 2008 at 3:16 pm:
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    MP Resident said on 25 Apr 2008 at 2:22 pm:
    “I have already been detained by customs while carrying an Official Passport and have had customs tell me they could not confirm my citizenship since their system is designed to track Legal and Illegal Aliens and/or Naturalized Citizens, not Natural Born Citizen.”

    Something smells in this story. Was it a US passport you were carrying?

    If MP Resident was using an OFFICIAL (RED) PASSPORT, I find it hard to believe he was detained by customs. There has to be a story behind the story to be detained. I held and Official as well as a Diplomatic passport for many years and was never once detained or questioned upon entering the country. In fact, most customs agents would always say “welcome back to the U.S.

    Something flagged MP Resident if his story is indeed true.

  123. MP Resident said on 25 Apr 2008 at 3:27 pm:
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    Twasn’t me…I’ve never been flagged for entering the USA with a USA passport.

    The person stated that he had a passport yet customs couldn’t verify his (US) citizenship. If that’s true then he didn’t have a US passport. A US passport *IS* proof of your US citizenship.

  124. Purple said on 25 Apr 2008 at 3:36 pm:
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    What Question said on 25 Apr 2008 at 1:35 pm, “I have already been detained by customs while carrying an Official Passport and have had customs tell me they could not confirm my citizenship since their system is designed to track Legal and Illegal Aliens and/or Naturalized Citizens, not Natural Born Citizen.”

    Your passport is the ultimate proof of citizenship. A red (official) passport is simply a free passport issued by the Government for business travel. Your story “does not compute.” Perhaps it’s a red herring (pun intended).

  125. Michael said on 25 Apr 2008 at 3:41 pm:
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    Question,

    We do honor your service. You are an example of the legal immigrants we want to protect and offer US wealth, prosperity and national opportunity too.

    I too was a serviceman so I know the sacrifice you made and I want to tell you we all appreciate it.

    What you do not know since you are new is that the majority of people behind this rule of law resolution are not against immigration, and are certainly not against legal people of all nations coming into our country at a rate we can sustain, at a rate allowed by law and at a rate that is not unreasonable in growth. We believe that all people have individual civil rights, but do not have the right to break our laws, and do not have a right to demand special privilige just because they associate themselves with a specific group demainding special privilige and law becausse they belong to a specific gender, religion, race or ethnic group. Our constitution does not authorize people to demand anyting based on their gender, race, religion or ethnic group self-identification, but to only be guaranteed the same rights as everyone independent of race, religion, gender or ethnic group.

    If you are legally in this country you have the full protection of our “individual” civil rights laws, but you do not have any “group” rights based on any ethnic group you identify with. You can only think of yourself as a legal American, and others can only treat you as a legal American.

    Everyone else is breaking the law as an “individual” and will be punished as an individual. We are having great dificulty with people who arive from different countries and claim they are a “special race”, who is being harassed and targeted by the law just because of their race. This is a lie, that they create to gain sympathy. The rule of law resolution as passed by the BOCS is enforced and written without any prejudice of race, religion, gender or ethnic group and is therefore legal. It is a fact however that a great number of “individuals” this law is applied to are self-identifying themselves as mambers of very specific racial, religious, and ethnic groups demanding they deserve special treatment because of who they are as you self-identified yourself in your post. That thinking creates racial and ethnic tensions.
    If you want better treatment as a legal American, identify yourself as a legal American and nothing more, nothing less.

    Again, thank you so much for serving our country as a legal American.

  126. Advocator said on 25 Apr 2008 at 4:12 pm:
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    Purple: I think the official passports are brown. Diplomatic ones are red.

  127. Purple said on 25 Apr 2008 at 4:14 pm:
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    What Michael said on 25 Apr 2008 at 3:41 pm

    “Legal” American? Does that mean there are people who are “illegal” Americans? Perhaps the term is a bit redundant?

    I dwell on the subject because while you wax eloquently about this particular status, I’m not so sure such a status exists. From where do you derive this particular term to define a person’s status?

  128. Purple said on 25 Apr 2008 at 5:20 pm:
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    Advocator,

    Black is diplomatic. These are issued to civilian and military personnel and their families on diplomatic assignments overseas for the government. Red (or Maroon) is official. These are issued to civilian and military personnel for official government business overseas which is not classified as diplomatic. Green is the standard issue. I’ve had one of each (often at the same time) at one time or another.

  129. monticup said on 25 Apr 2008 at 7:59 pm:
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    Question: As long as the US is being invaded by illegal aliens primarily from Mexico and Central America you may be asked to provide identification from time to time. Keep in mind that non-Hispanic US citizens also have to provide ID in various situations.

    My suggestion to you is that you denounce illegal immigration because it hurts you along with all Americans. Denounce illegal immigration and do not aid and abet illegal aliens. Everyone will be much happier when illegal aliens return to their home countries.

  130. Michael said on 25 Apr 2008 at 10:12 pm:
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    For those who do not know, red passports are issued for military members of the US Service (and other official government business travel). When servicemen/women go overseas, they present a red passport to that country they are entering. You only need a blue one as a US citizen on personal travel.

  131. Michael said on 25 Apr 2008 at 10:17 pm:
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    Easy purple, I am an American, that is all you can call me. (I am not White-American, Hispanic American, Asian American, Black American or Native American.) Just plain ole US American so you cannot target my gender, race, religion, or ethnic group as anything different or special. I am also legal. Therefore a legal American.

    You implied there are illegal Americans, I did not. There are only “illegal aliens”

  132. Michael said on 25 Apr 2008 at 10:18 pm:
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    Not that you would target me.

  133. Anonymous said on 25 Apr 2008 at 10:21 pm:
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    Michael said on 25 Apr 2008 at 10:12 pm:
    For those who do not know, red passports are issued for military members of the US Service (and other official government business travel). When servicemen/women go overseas, they present a red passport to that country they are entering. You only need a blue one as a US citizen on personal travel.

    Official (red) passports are also issued to Department of State personnel not on the Diplomatic list overseas.

  134. Anonymous said on 25 Apr 2008 at 10:25 pm:
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    Purple said on 25 Apr 2008 at 5:20 pm:
    Advocator,

    Black is diplomatic. These are issued to civilian and military personnel and their families on diplomatic assignments overseas for the government. Red (or Maroon) is official. These are issued to civilian and military personnel for official government business overseas which is not classified as diplomatic. Green is the standard issue. I’ve had one of each (often at the same time) at one time or another.

    GREEN? That must have been way before the 60’s when I started travelling overseas for Uncle. The only colors were blue (tourist), red (official travel) and black (diplomatic.) Never heard of or seen a green U.S. passport.

  135. NoVA Scout said on 25 Apr 2008 at 11:06 pm:
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    AWC: As usual, we’re closely aligned. Glad you came back to our common roots as conservatives. And, to MP, you got it right - I am a strong McCain supporter. He’s the real deal and he has put his life on the line for the country. More quality in one bag of protoplasm than we’ve seen in a long time among politicians.

    Is everyone happy now?

  136. AWCheney said on 25 Apr 2008 at 11:23 pm:
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    NoVA Scout said on 25 Apr 2008 at 11:06 pm:
    “AWC: As usual, we’re closely aligned. Glad you came back to our common roots as conservatives.”

    That being the case NoVA, then you would most certainly understand why I so passionately support the “Rule of Law” Resolution here in Prince William County. And, by the way, I never left those conservative roots.

  137. Purple said on 25 Apr 2008 at 11:27 pm:
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    What Anonymous said on 25 Apr 2008 at 10:25 pm

    You’re right (about blue passports). Passports had green covers from 1941 until 1976, when the cover was changed to blue, as part of the U.S. bicentennial celebration (I checked the wikipedia). I guess I’ve carried four different colors.

  138. NoVA Scout said on 26 Apr 2008 at 9:16 am:
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    AWC: As a conservative, I view the anti-illegal immigration measure in PW as a fiscally irresponsible, constitutionally suspect, wasteful, redundant plan undergirded by lousy cost-benefit analysis. Those are the kinds of things that conservatives in my day deplored. It looks a lot to me like the kinds of liberal Democrat programs of the early 60s, the programs that got me fired up for the Goldwater campaign and that anchored my political philosophy firmly in the conservative camp for life.

  139. Anonymous said on 26 Apr 2008 at 11:40 am:
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    Purple said on 25 Apr 2008 at 11:27 pm:
    What Anonymous said on 25 Apr 2008 at 10:25 pm

    You’re right (about blue passports). Passports had green covers from 1941 until 1976, when the cover was changed to blue, as part of the U.S. bicentennial celebration (I checked the wikipedia). I guess I’ve carried four different colors

    Thanks for the clarification.

  140. freedom said on 26 Apr 2008 at 12:07 pm:
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    Nope NovaScout, you’re no conservative. Conservatives believe in laws and believe in following those laws….and if laws are bad or evolve to being bad, change those laws but enforce the laws on the books.

    Further, conservatives do not support funding a class of people who want things just because they are a class and want.

  141. NoVA Scout said on 27 Apr 2008 at 11:07 pm:
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    My conservative credentials are pretty solid, freedom.

    Conservatives respect the constitution and favor fiscal responsibility at all levels of government. Not a whole lot of that going ’round down in PW these days.

    I’ve been a strong advocate of federal immigration law changes to get the laws on the books to match the reality of current economics. So I guess I fall within even your definition of conservative there.

    BTW, what’s the reference to “funding a class of people who want things etc,”? Sounds pretty left wing to me and not like anything I’ve ever advocated.

  142. freedom said on 28 Apr 2008 at 7:38 am:
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    Sheeeeeesh Nova, you’re doing it right here on the blog….aliens here illegally want all they can get, but haven’t earned the constitutional right, much less having paid their way.

    As far as fiscal responsibility is concerned, relieving the taxpayer of the burden of financially supporting those here illegally is probably the most fiscally responsible thing the BOCS could ever do…not to mention the virtue of supporting the law as it exists.

    Advocate changes to federal immigration law all you want….that’s commendable, however, until that goal is accomplished, existing laws are to be both followed AND enforced.

  143. NoVA Scout said on 28 Apr 2008 at 8:19 am:
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    freedom - Most of the people who vocally advocate local interference in federal immigration policy opposed federal immigration reform and have not proposed or given energy comprehensive alternatives at the federal level.

    I have no idea of what you’re talking about in terms of funding illegals. I don’t notice a lot of clamor from illegal aliens for funding or other public support for their activities. If for no other reason than that they’re here illegally, they lie pretty low and just try to work. How much do illegals cost the public? I’ve always conceded that there are probably pockets where there are measurable negative financial impacts from large illegal presence, but, try as I might, I find it hard to find people who have competently established what the magnitude of those costs are on a net basis. In most instances, what one sees is a lot of sound and fury, often in verbiage laced with sweeping cultural and ethnic vituperation, and very little in the way of instructive, reliable numbers.

    I know it’s a hard thing to count, but most who’ve done it find that 2Is are net economic contributors. They pay a lot in taxes and claim little in benefits. I don’t think that’s necessarily good thing just because we natives are net gainers - they ought to be visible in the system and incentives for off-book activities (or, more preciesly, disincentives for on-book activities) ought to be eliminated. But I think it’s incumbent on people like you who throw these phrases around to put some substance behind them.

    Your BOCS acted impetuously, motivated in large part by political oppotunism in an election year, in smaller part by lousy fiscal stewardship coupled with incompetence, temerity and bad financial analysis. I wouldn’t trust your board with a nickel of my tax money. They didn’t understand the comparative costs of the measures they adopted as weighed against the costs of the real world problem they faced. They didn’t prioritize this issue with all the other issues they face in a time of falling real estate values and other external economic pressures. They didn’t understand (or care to understand) the overall negative impacts of their measures on the economic vitality of the County, the negative effects on public safety by diverting the local police into unconstitutional immigration enforcement or the comparative merits (programmtic and fiscal) of simply enforcing existing housing, criminal and public order ordinances. I think people like you got played by pols and your Board is essentially a leftist tax-and-spend-for-votes (or, worse yet, “don’t-tax-and-spend”), fiscally irresponsible, incompetent governance outfit. Perhpas worst of all, they didn’t understand (or care to understand) that to suck votes out of this issue, one has to exaggerate the impact and talk down about conditions in the County. You can’t mobilize people to go to the polls on this by a nuanced, modulated discussion of the very real impacts of failed federal immigration policy. PW was doing much better when it had leadership that talked the County and its citizens up, not down. It may be something with a considerable cosmetic or atmospheric component, but it brings in business, investment, productive residents.

    It ain’t easy being a conservative Republican in Fairfax, but at least (so far) our supervisors have taken the position that if unrelated people (citizens or not) are living 14 to a two bedroom house, enforce the housing codes. If people (citizens or not) are peeing in the streets, arrest them for disorderly conduct, if people (citizens or not) are slitting each others’ throats, arrest them for murder. They haven’t proposed to take over federal responsibilities that they have no constitutional authority to assume or competence to enforce. They haven’t proposed to degrade our police force by turning it into ICE or compromising its ability to get information from within the immigrant (legal and illegal) communities. In this one area, at least, I consider Gerry Connolly to be a more competent provider of fiscal stewardship and rational government than phony conservatives in neighboring jurisdictions (not that I’ll vote for him for Congress, but I’ll give the man his due).

  144. documented2 said on 28 Apr 2008 at 3:32 pm:
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    Principi is a disaster for Woodbridge and PWC on immigration and the spending fo tax payers money. Spending $100,000 (BVBL, Princip and Nohe Backsliding, 4/12/08) on the Woodbridge District Office? Where is the outrage? He wouldn’t even donate $10,000 from his office money to provide another officer to enforce the Rule of Law Resolution or to fund another fire fighter!!

  145. EIDNAS said on 28 Apr 2008 at 3:48 pm:
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    The Rule of Law is not on Principi’s Radar Screen. Sadly, his inflated self worth, along with the newly gotten political DNA for entitlements and personal spoils of office has exceeded Sherman’s March through Atlanta.

  146. freedom said on 28 Apr 2008 at 9:49 pm:
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    We hope you enjoy your new neighbors, oh…and by all means, don’t forget to arrest them after they commit murder, “conservative nova”…:)

  147. Battlecat said on 28 Apr 2008 at 10:12 pm:
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    NoVA Scout,

    Dude, as long as you’re paying for them, you’re all right with me. We’ll do our best to send more your way.

  148. NoVA Scout said on 28 Apr 2008 at 10:25 pm:
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    freedom: Murder has been a crime in Fairfax for at least as long as I’ve lived here - maybe longer. Doesn’t matter who does it.

    Battlecat: who’s “them”?

  149. freedom said on 29 Apr 2008 at 8:52 am:
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    Nova, I think that when Battlecat referred to “them,” he/she was most likely referring to your new neighbors…the ones we’re sending your way as the result of Prince William’s “Rule of Law” enforcement. Wouldn’t you imagine?

    Oh, and Nova…you’re certainly correct; murder is and has been a crime for a long time, and in the case of murder, the end-result is the same — death — regardless of who commits the crime. However, should the murder victim be one of your loved ones (and we would wish that upon no one) and should the perpertrator be someone who shouldn’t have even been in this country to begin with, your tune with respect to illegal aliens would likely change a bit.

    Remember more than 50% of the murders in PWC last year were committed by illegal aliens. We are certainly hoping that the influx of your new neighbors won’t cause the numbers in your area to increase, but based upon our experience, extra caution may be prudent.

  150. NoVA Scout said on 29 Apr 2008 at 9:58 pm:
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    Freedom: if someone close to me were murdered (or even someone I don’t know very well or at all) the immigration status of the perp will be pretty far down my list of concerns.

    In any event, the chances of my family or acquaintances being murdered are greater for USofA murderers than illegal immigrant murderers.

    In any event, I’m a conservative gun rights kind of guy with a devoted 110 pound guard dog. The dog and I will fastidiously extend equal treatment to aspiring murderers regardless of immigration status.

  151. freedom said on 30 Apr 2008 at 8:09 am:
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    Nova said, “In any event, the chances of my family or acquaintances being murdered are greater for USofA murderers than illegal immigrant murderers.”

    What a profound and comforting assertion, Nova….and the relative percentages of the population, Nova? Ever think of that? :) :)

    I’m glad you’re happy. After yesterday’s vote, we’ll keep sending ‘em your way…

  152. NoVA Scout said on 1 May 2008 at 8:47 am:
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    Freedom: when you make the proportional adjustments for the relative sizes of the citizen and the illegal immigrant populations, the crime rate is lower among illegal immigrants than for the citizens. As I’ve said many times here, I don’t attribute that to the illegals being of higher moral fiber necessarily, but it stands to reason that if you and I had snuck into Honduras to get jobs to support our families, we’d lie pretty low vis-a-vis the local authorities.

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