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BVBL and 9500Liberty Debate On Television

By Greg L | 28 April 2008 | Fairfax County, Blogs, Prince William County | 35 Comments

I was invited last week to join George Burke (who is also the Chairman of the 11th District Democratic Committee) on Fairfax Public Access television for a program on “Inside Scoop Virginia” this Sunday.  To my surprise, “documentarian” Annabel Park of 9500Liberty showed up to argue the other side in what was billed as a program on new media and the immigration debate, but ended up focusing mostly on the Rule of Law Resolution.  I think I held my own fairly well against two others that certainly wanted to argue that the Rule of Law Resolution is a bad idea, and the way it turned out the vast majority of callers to this local Fairfax County program ended up agreeing with me.

The first caller was from “Mona” who called in from California, apparently viewing the program on the internet.  Her comment that we need to be more respectful in this debate was curious when at the same time she referred to me as “a Republican jerk”.  So much for civility from the left.  “Richard” called in and took the media to task for selective reporting on the issue, referring to a book called “Black Swan“, but somehow some audio problems developed that made it somewhat difficult to hear all of what he was saying.  “Lupe” called in next, an immigrant who was born in Mexico City, and took Annabel Park to task and said “Greg is right” before more audio problems developed.  “Leonard” was the last caller, who kind of meandered around and didn’t make a clear point, but wasn’t at all arguing for illegal aliens.  For a Fairfax County television station to have this many callers support the Rule of Law Resolution really must have George Burke concerned when both his candidates for Congress are rabid supporters of amnesty for illegal aliens.

I’m pretty surprised that Annabel Park agreed to this.  Her actions pretty much throw away any remaining credibility that 9500Liberty is somehow an unbiased documentary, and demonstrates that there is a clear political agenda behind that effort.  At the end of this show George left the last forty seconds of airtime for Annabel to try to get in her last word and tell me that the Rule of Law Resolution, despite being discussed for months and subject to an unprecedented level of public debate was rushed and the product of an electorate that was uninformed at best.  I suppose that representative democracy isn’t all that important to the left anymore, which seems to believe that when the electorate tells their elected officials what they want, and the elected officials actually do that they’re asked, it’s somehow a failure.

Make no mistake here — this has utterly nothing to do with the process used to consider and enact the Rule of Law Resolution, and everything to do with liberals trying to obtain a different outcome in a battle they decisively lost.  There was utterly zero debate about Gerry Connolly establishing a policy in Fairfax that prohibits law enforcement from asking suspected illegal aliens about their immigration status, a policy that violates federal law.  Walter Tejada’s effective declaration of Arlington as a sanctuary jurisdiction was debated at one single session of the Arlington Board of County Supervisors after no evaluation whatsoever.  When liberals want a policy established, if there’s any debate allowed it is consise to the point of nonexistence, and the amount of evaluation before those policies are enacted is minimal at best.  Even Prince William County’s General Order that had prohibited officers from asking about immigration status that was overturned by the Rule of Law Resolution was discussed in closed-door non-public discussions between the police department and Mexicans Without Borders, never even disclosed to the Board of Supervisors, and held in secret by the Prince William County Police Department.  Compared to the policies that existed prior to the Rule of Law Resolution, the public discussion and evaluation process for the resolution has been infinitely more comprehensive.

Just for once it would be nice if liberals could be consistent in their arguments.  At least there are some opportunities, like this one, to take them to task.



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35 Comments

  1. legal2 said on 28 Apr 2008 at 4:06 pm:
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    anabel’s idea of democracy is the same old marxist ways of propaganda, editing videos that only fit 9500Libel’s agenda, and repeating the “message” until people accept it. they are present at every pwc bocs meeting now, filming and awaiting another “macaca moment.” you can practically see them salivate.

  2. A Reader said on 28 Apr 2008 at 5:28 pm:
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    Greg
    Thank you so much for speaking for so many of us. We appreciate it.

  3. Patty said on 28 Apr 2008 at 6:02 pm:
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    Well, Annabel Park just called the citizens of Prince William County stupid.

    Greg, you did a great job. It was obvious those two were ganging up on you.

  4. Gainesville Resident said on 28 Apr 2008 at 6:18 pm:
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    Good job again Greg. The host seemed pretty smug but a couple times seemed impressed (more likely surprised how rational they were) with your arguments. Annabel came across as a poor debater, barely focussing on the issues and more worried about superficial things like ther term “anchor baby.”

    Keep up the good work! You are a tremendous asset to this community.

  5. josh said on 28 Apr 2008 at 6:37 pm:
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    I dont think she did herself any favors, it looked pretty obvious that she didnt support any type of law from the way she “debated” I guess she just wants to open up them borders and let them flow on in….

  6. Anita Break said on 28 Apr 2008 at 8:04 pm:
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    Annabel never called the citizens of PWC stupid. Please watch the video again. I believe what she said is that there needed to be more planning and more process. She indicated more thought and time needed to go into the crafting of the resolution.

    I did especially like the way George Burke spanked Greg’s arrogant butt.

  7. PWConservative said on 28 Apr 2008 at 8:19 pm:
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    “To the far right is Greg Lectiecq”
    Can’t disagree with that…

  8. Emma said on 28 Apr 2008 at 8:24 pm:
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    Annabel’s blink rate is quite amusing whenever Greg is speaking.

    Best exchange in the video:

    “I do have compassion for those residents.” (Annabel)
    “That must be why you cover them so extensively.” (Greg L.)

    Annabel’s twitchy body language and silly-girl giggling spoke volumes.

    Nice job, Greg.

    Anita B, you seem to have lost your way. Allow me to take you home. Just click your little ruby slippers together and point your mouse here: http://www.antibvbl.net/

  9. Gainesville Resident said on 28 Apr 2008 at 8:26 pm:
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    Annabel and host did a poor job debating this topic. I guarantee anybody that watched this (doubt there were many though unfortunately) came out fully agreeing with Greg. A smug host and a lightweight artist were together not even a close match for Greg.

    The host was like a caracature of a smug snotty lib who likes to point out how rich and diverse his county is and how evolved and superior his views are compared to the poor unwashed masses that live in PWC.

    Annabel just came across as barely understanding the real issues and concerned over things like terminology and length of time for debate. If she could debate better she probably would have come across as the artist who sees beauty in the plight of the illegals in this repressive society.

  10. Anonymous said on 28 Apr 2008 at 8:34 pm:
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    I dont always agree with you Greg, but I do respect you and I appreciate all the time you take away from your family to speak the voice of reason.

  11. Anonymous said on 28 Apr 2008 at 8:35 pm:
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    Good job Greg!
    A&E are a joke.

  12. Maureen Wood said on 28 Apr 2008 at 9:06 pm:
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    This issue has been debated for years. The American citizens are weary of the debate and have demanded action. Thank you BOCS for that action. Especially John Stirrup and Corey Stewart. PWC tried to get figures on illegals in the county. There just weren’t any. With the 287g at the jail and the “Rule of Law” resolution those figures are finally coming to light. Great job Greg!

  13. me said on 28 Apr 2008 at 9:18 pm:
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    Once again great job Greg! And as always THANK YOU!

  14. monticup said on 28 Apr 2008 at 9:32 pm:
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    Greg: Superb job. You’re getting better and better. You presented a lot of facts clearly and concisely. Anabelle complained about the use of the term “anchor baby” and that’s about the only point she managed to get across.

  15. USMCWife said on 28 Apr 2008 at 9:47 pm:
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    Annabelle’s faux concern always makes me want to throw up.
    I am so tired of them and the continued pushing of their ideology and agenda. If the pro-illegals were in the majority, the Resolution would not have passed, and Corey and John would not have been re-elected. Lord knows they worked hard enough and lied enough to try and prevent that from happening.

    Thanks for standing tall and firm Greg and refusing to back down. They are all in a tizzy now because of your “raising an army” speech, but what you said is true. We need to stay organized and disciplined and not be distracted by ad hominem attacks from those who want to maintain the status quo.

  16. Patty said on 28 Apr 2008 at 9:52 pm:
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    Anita Break,

    You watch the video again. Pay attention to the time, 56:49. Annabel did refer to PWC citizens in her own terms as being misinformed etc. Greg said to her that she was calling PWC citizens stupid. She then got flustered and realized what she was saying and tried to retract. She is also trying to discount what the citizens have been seeing with their own eyes for several years now. There was no rush in this. It wasn’t an election ploy. The citizens finally got fed up with all the lawlessness and petitioned their county government and the PWC government listened.

    Annabel Park’s and Eric Byler’s sole purpose in life is to destroy conservatives and all Republicans. Their videos are one sided. They bait those who they interview. They interject their own opinions with edited video. They were responsible for taking down George Allen with their baiting tactics. One day they’ll get back what they have dished out. It will come back on them.

  17. Anonymous said on 28 Apr 2008 at 10:22 pm:
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    Annabel mentioned something about peoples profile indicated something or other. I fell over with her use of profiling to prove a point. She is sooooo against, and concerned about ‘profiling’ and yet used it to support her comment.

  18. Red, White and Blue said on 28 Apr 2008 at 10:29 pm:
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    Great job Greg. The “competition” clearly lost the battle. We need to continue to win the war.

  19. Gnarly said on 29 Apr 2008 at 12:20 am:
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    Maureen touched on a great point…we have debated this issue enough. Now the citizens want action.

    The only point that Annabel Park was able to make that wasn’t completely jumbled is that we need to have more debate and discussion before something is done. We had it…it was called the ELECTION!!

  20. park'd said on 29 Apr 2008 at 7:19 am:
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    HAHA George Burke opining about how he is lucky to live in such a diverse county. Riiiiight George. 50 bucks says this clown lives in McLean, Clifton or Fairfax Station somewhere in one of those McMansions where the only time he sees an illegal is when they are cleaning his house or mowing his lawn. What a laugh riot. Prove me wrong Georgie and I’ll pay you your 50 bucks. This guy reminds me of the character Lionel Hutz from the Simpsons who was played to a tee by the late Phil Hartman. He is the quintessential white man supporting the ‘plight’ of the minority from the comforts of his gated community. I am so sick and tired of hypocrite liberals who have no idea of what we have been going through. Trash in our neighborhoods, 50% drops in home values, culture conversion, gangs, exorbitant taxes, overcrowding, et al. Hey George: until you have to deal with issues like this then keep your piehole shut!

  21. Ron said on 29 Apr 2008 at 8:00 am:
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    George Burke is the same loudmouth who took it upon himself to argue Janet Oleszek’s points in her televised debate with Ken Cuccinelli. George did a better job than Janet did (which wasn’t hard), but Ken still wiped the floor with both of them.

    The only things the left advocates are open borders and vote fraud. Oppose either of these and you are labeled a racist. Now I am actually fairly “liberal” on immigration” (given that my mother is an immigrant); however, we have LAWS for a reason, and no one on the left can give a good reason why the laws should be broken, especially on behalf of one group at the expense of others.

    Crying racism is just a way of avoiding the intellectual argument which the leftists surely lose every time.

  22. Dave in PWC said on 29 Apr 2008 at 8:26 am:
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    Great job Bruce, I mean Greg. Way to keep cool calm and collected. You made a lot of valid points. Annibel used the same tired old stuff about lets talk about it we need to talk some more about it. You were right, we were tired of talk and wanted action. Lets give this resolution a couple more years and see where we are then in terms of our counties financial health.

  23. JM said on 29 Apr 2008 at 8:42 am:
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    Isn’t it interesting how audio problems developed only when the pro resolution/Greg supporters called?

  24. El Lobo said on 29 Apr 2008 at 10:11 am:
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    Greg, NO doubt about it…..you cleaned Annabel’s clock. I love it when you also debate the likes of John Steinbach and Nancy Lyall and they leave the debate with their heads in their hands……

  25. Loudoun said on 29 Apr 2008 at 10:40 am:
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    I couldn’t agree more, Greg. The victory in this debate goes to the people who want the law enforced. The Rule of Law resolution is working, and Annabel and her ilk are running scared. It isn’t racist to expect our government to protect us from the detrimental effects of illegal aliens.

    Job well done!!!!

    Keep up the good work!

  26. MP Resident said on 29 Apr 2008 at 11:31 am:
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    George Burk lives on Sleepy Hollow Lane in Falls Church.

    Source:

    http://www.11thdistrictdemocrats.org/files/2008-11th-cd-convention-call.pdf

  27. MP Resident said on 29 Apr 2008 at 11:31 am:
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    Sorry, make that Sleepy Hollow Rd.

  28. MP Resident said on 29 Apr 2008 at 11:32 am:
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    He’s renting it from some guy who lives in Italy, too.

  29. josh said on 29 Apr 2008 at 12:38 pm:
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    havent seen old nancy and john around lately…seems as though they are laying low and annabel and her crowd are taking up the fight.

  30. anon said on 29 Apr 2008 at 4:01 pm:
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    Is his landlord legally or illegally in Italy?

  31. legal2 said on 29 Apr 2008 at 5:39 pm:
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    anabel doesn’t do herself any favors - she’s got nuttin.
    Well done, Greg.

  32. gstone said on 29 Apr 2008 at 6:26 pm:
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    Greg
    Well done. Your success in PWC dealing with illegals is very important to those of us fighting the entrenched powers of do nothingness in adjacent jurisdictions.

    Good Stuff !
    G.Stone
    Help Save Loudoun

  33. ateacher said on 29 Apr 2008 at 6:39 pm:
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    Well I am glad I got to see the post and responses. I would have preferred to see the real thing…but wait…on May 10th Annabel will be coming to GMU (PW campus) to discuss all she knows about immigration, and how PWC is handling it. She will be sharing with the teachers of PWC and Man City et al the experiences she documented in her film. Gee whiz I just can’t wait. Too bad Greg won’t be there…

  34. josh said on 30 Apr 2008 at 1:48 am:
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    why is annabel such an “expert” in the field of immigration that she preaches to schools and such. what are her qualifications and I sure hope she isnt getting paid after her performance on this debate of hers, she’s horrible.

  35. Citizen 12 said on 1 May 2008 at 5:58 pm:
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    I think Greg made a good point in telling Annabel that the time for debate was before the resolution. Now it is time to enforce the law. If additional debate is requested fine, start a new debate. In the meantime enforce the law as it stands. These people continue to whine like little kids at bedtime, trying to negotiate a new bedtime. It is time our elected officials acted like the “good parent”, got off their duff and put the “kids” to bed and cease to engage the whining. Like Nancy used to say, just say no.

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