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Illegal Alien Apologists Find Faulty Spokesmen

By Greg L | 28 April 2008 | Illegal Aliens, Prince William County | 13 Comments

To try to combat the personal experiences of so many county residents who see that the Rule of Law Resolution has made a dramatic positive difference in their communities, the illegal alien lobby has managed to round up some folks willing to trout out another round of dire predictions of inevitable economic collapse, should we stick with what is clearly working.  Hoping that local elected officials might somehow trust liberal academics who don’t even live in the county, or long-time political opponents of Chairman Corey Stewart instead of county residents, the illegal alien lobby didn’t think to check beforehand whether these folks would be credible or not.  To liberal illegal alien apologists, just having a title is apparently enough to be credible, even if the person has a somewhat dubious history that isn’t all that hard to dig up.

The first “big gun” the illegal alien tried to trot out was Mark Granville-Smith, who leads the Northern Virginia Building Industry Association, who told attendees at a Chamber of Commerce meeting that Corey Stewart and the immigration resolution was harming the effort to get business to locate in Prince William County, as reported in the DC Examiner.

Image task force member Mark Granville-Smith, a home builder and leader of the county’s chapter of the Northern Virginia Building Industry Association, blamed Prince William County Chairman Corey Stewart for the county’s image hurdles, saying his often brusque political style has been to harp on one negative issue after another.

The problem with having Mark Granville-Smith be the point man for the business community here is that the NVBIA and other developer interests gave heavily to Sharon Pandak when she was running against Stewart in the last election because of Stewart’s strong stand on controlling the insane amount of residential construction that was threatening the county.  Stewart was an advocate for halting rezonings, increasing proffers, and introducing zoning reforms that would reduce housing density and increase the contribution by developers to offset the burdens that development places on the transportation infrastructure, public safety resources and other public amenities.  These folks absolutely hate Corey Stewart for derailing the developer gravy train, and the Rule of Law Resolution not only gives them an opportunity to try to throw rocks at Corey Stewart, but try to defend their efforts to maintain a steady supply of cheap illegal alien labor to bolster their profit margins.

Business leaders who are not tied to developers have a different take, that the key issues to improve the county’s attractiveness for business are to streamline the licensing and permitting process, keep taxes low, and market the county as a place to do business.

The other major propagandist for the illegal alien lobby lately is Dr. Steven Fuller, an economist at George Mason University.  He’s come out with some unusual arguments claiming that diversity is important for business, and that amnesty for illegal aliens would help the local economy, although he doesn’t provide any academic or statistical basis for these claims.  Never mind the workplace accidents that happen as a result of communication problems on a jobsite, the impact of wage distortions in building and service industry trades on minorities and citizens without college degrees, or even the economic impact of flooding residential communities with overcrowded homes, criminal gang activity and rampant identity fraud and theft.  Dr. Fuller seems to think there’s no way to build a healthy economy without illegal aliens, so the best way to promote economic growth is to simply encourage them.

One problem with all of this is that Dr. Fuller has somewhat of a spotty track record.  Just a little less than one year ago, and long after the residential real estate bubble had burst, Fuller was telling the press that residential property values were going to continue to rise and Northern Virginia was rapidly becoming unaffordable:

If current trends continue, by 2057, the average home in the D.C. area is likely to cost more than $14 million, says Stephen Fuller, director of the Center for Regional Analysis at George Mason University’s School of Public Policy.

Even more frightening is the fact that the numbers are based on the current market, taking into account the trend of home prices generally doubling every 10 years and growing by about 7.2 percent annually.

“It will take more than 11 times the average annual income to afford a home,” Fuller says. “This will be a totally unaffordable region.”

This was two full years after the inventory of unsold houses began to dramatically rise, and between May 2006 and 2007 the median price of a single family residence in Northern Virginia had actually fallen by 4%. But here is Fuller saying the exact opposite of the truth, and contending that if people don’t buy a house now, they’re never going to be able to afford one in Northern Virginia.  Now Fuller is saying we need to encourage ten million more illegal aliens to enter the country and fill low-wage jobs, otherwise our economy is going to collapse.  I’m not going to wait a year before declaring bullshit, I think we can do that right now, especially in that Fuller, after being paid by the American Electronics Association, gave a glowing report about Northern Virginia’s technology industry just two weeks ago.  I’m sorry Dr. Fuller, you can’t be credible with these predictions when you can’t even keep your story consistent from week-to-week, and have a history of making such absurd statements about the local economy in the past.

If the illegal alien lobby is going to try to assemble arguments favoring amnesty for illegal aliens and saying that we need more, not less of these lawbreakers, they’re going to have to do a better job of finding credible spokesmen.



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13 Comments

  1. MP Resident said on 28 Apr 2008 at 1:53 pm:
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    Nothing worse than an “economist” who doesn’t understand the law of supply and demand.

  2. AWCheney said on 28 Apr 2008 at 1:59 pm:
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    Both of these experts can easily be refuted…so where are the real experts? It is obvious that both have a vested interest in continuing on the same path with illegal aliens as we have been. For Granville-Smith it is, as you pointed out, obviously the desire of the developers to the flow of illegals into our area which feeds that cash cow to which they have grown so accustomed, as well as providing cheap labor with low overhead (sans Workman’s Compensation, Unemployment Insurance, benefits, and, all to often, sans payroll taxes).

    In the case of Dr. Fuller, the very fact that his expertise stands in question because of his utterly outrageous predictions gives him a strong motive to wish for our area to continue on the path of destruction with artificially inflated home prices perpetuated by the demand of hordes of illegal aliens pouring into our area and turning it into a region of boarding houses, necessary to house that illegal labor which those developers require to keep their pockets lined with ill-gotten gains. It’s a symbiotic relationship.

    There must be some respected experts out there willing to refute this obvious self-interest before our BOS.

  3. Laurie M said on 28 Apr 2008 at 2:03 pm:
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    Oklahoma also famously enacted anti-illegal/workplace verification laws, and it is also reaping dividends in a short period of time. The state unemployment rate has gone DOWN since with the illegals gone, these jobs are being filled by formerly unemployed/underemployed Americans.

    Of course, the illegal alien apologists will have a litany of excuses why this can not be.

    It will be interesting to watch OK and see what the effect is on their public school system and emergency medical services as demand goes down.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2008/04/22/oklahoma-unemployment-way-down-will-media-look-why

    The Resolution is working; and similar legislation in other jurisdictions that have the courage to tough it out are finding that the net effects are positive. It is important to hang tough.

  4. El Lobo said on 28 Apr 2008 at 2:27 pm:
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    I just perused “anti-bvbl” blog. It is amazing, mind numbing how illegal alien apologists circumvent the key issues and problems with illegal immigration. Its an affliction of the mind that does not allow them to go beyond the “poor me syndrome”; all they see is racism and bigotry when in reality that describes who they are. THANK YOU, BVBL for being the sanity check that you are. The information as presented in this blog is very useful and important in combating the illegal alien problem in PWC as well as in other counties/jurisdictions. THANK YOU GREGG!!!!!!

  5. k. o'toole said on 28 Apr 2008 at 2:41 pm:
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    Mexican press attache swipes white house blackberries at meeting in New Orleans. I wonder if he’ll be at the bocs with his “credentials”? http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352378,00.html

  6. BattleCat said on 28 Apr 2008 at 2:51 pm:
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    A building industry vampire arguing to amnesty. That’s FUNNY. Home builders would only too happily build crappy houses in PWC until they’d sell for $5/piece (it couldn’t POSSIBLY cost more than $5 to build a house the way Brookfield builds a house), leaving all of us citizens with worthless houses and severe overcrowding. The only thing I like less than illegal immigrants sucking up my tax dollars is a home builder. Nice spokesman!!!

  7. americangal4ever said on 28 Apr 2008 at 2:55 pm:
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    This is a different subject but important none the less.
    This is from the Canada Free press. Sad we have to get our information from Canada to get the truth.
    North American Standards and Regulatory Area, NASRA
    SPP “Busted” - Now Called NASRA. It’s Time to Call a Halt to the SPP!!
    By Tom Deweese Saturday, April 26, 2008

    The “Three Amigos” are attempting an old-fashioned switcheroo, much like the 1930’s grifters portrayed by Newman and Redford in “The Sting.”

    Frustrated that alert and clear-thinking Americans and Canadians see the nefarious purposes behind the “Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP),” President Bush has apparently concluded “that dog won’t hunt” - at least not under the moniker of “SPP.” In a surprisingly simple-minded approach, the President has apparently decided changing a skunk’s name changes the fact that it still stinks. Shame on President Bush! If he weren’t up to his neck in treachery, he would not need to hide his activities from the nation.

    Last year’s secret SPP summit meeting in Montebello focused on finding ways to get the people to swallow the idea of the collaboration leading to the North American Union, and to quiet its critics. Presumably, these were the topics of discussion when members of the North American Competitiveness Council (NACC) met with the leaders behind closed doors. The NACC is a largely secretive advisory council to the SPP consisting of representatives of such companies as Wal Mart, Chevron Oil, and Lockheed-Martin.

    An internal memo from Canada’s Foreign Affairs and Internal Trade ministry documents that the NACC was urged to launch a public relations campaign to counter growing criticism of the trilateral cooperative that is a cornerstone of the building North American Union. According to the memo, “Leaders discussed some of the difficulties of the SPP, including the lack of popular support and the failure of the public to understand the competitive challenges confronting North America.” The memo emphasized the “NACC members should (play) a role in communicating the merits of North American collaboration.” Am I the only one who remembers the definition of “collaboration,” at least as it applies to nations and their citizens?

    Further, in point of fact, these “competitive challenges” do not face North America…they face global corporations doing business in North America. The SPP has nothing to do with ensuring the security and prosperity of the United State’s citizens, or U.S. corporations would first and foremost conduct business as Americans. The “Partnership” is between government and business; it values the nation’s citizens only as human resources.

    Many corporate CEOS now seem to favor former CEO of GE Jack Welsh’s advice (as far as they practically can) that, “the ideal factory would be built on a barge” so it could be hauled around the world to low-wage areas, where it could operate without labor rules, environmental protections or other standards.

    Following the advice in March of the Frazier Institute, a Canadian think tank, the “SPP” will forthwith and hereafter (until another name is required) be known as the “North American Standards and Regulatory Area.” I say, “until another name is required” in full faith that as growing numbers of Americans learn of this treachery at the highest levels of our government, they will resoundingly oppose it.

    Of greater significance than the name change is the Institute’s call to expand and speed up the process of integration. One Canadian reporter said of last year’s SPP Summit that the SPP was “dead” and “defunct.” Another recently stated the SPP has “collapsed under a heap of conspiratorial rubbish.” This is pure garbage.

    The “conspiratorial” label is pretty amusing, though, considering the Frazier Institute report suggested the name “North American Union,” or NAU, be dropped in favor of the new name. Unfortunately, the SPP is far from dead. But the growing public attention, and profound disapproval, obviously worries those sneaking around to secret meetings in dimly lit corners with secret files.

    Results of a brand new American Policy Center survey on the SPP clearly show when Americans understand the truth, they say “No!” in phenomenal numbers. People are overwhelmingly opposed to the “harmonization” and “integration,” both economically and politically, of Canada, Mexico, and the U.S.

    Even the name of the “Fourth SPP Annual Summit” was changed to the “North American Leaders’ Summit.” There’s an oxymoron for you; “Leaders” indeed!

    Enough, already! President Bush, it’s time to tell the American people:

    What’s on the table; what’s the “big picture?”

    What have the 20 SPP Working Groups been working on these past three years, specifically?

    What promises have been made to the leaders of Canada and Mexico; to members of the NACC?

    Will the 51 NACC proposals made to SPP negotiators last year, these “regulatory changes that don’t require legislative approval,” favor narrow corporate interests over American’s welfare, freedom, and liberty?

    What regulatory changes have already been made?

    Why, President Bush, are you involved in secret meetings and negotiations involving the very sovereignty of the United States without the advice and consent of Congress, the American people, or even under scrutiny of the Fourth Estate, even as largely worthless as it is?

    ACTION TO TAKE
    It’s time to FLOOD your Senators and Representatives with emails and faxes.

    Contact Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi at (202) 225-4965, or fax at (202) 225-8259. Tell Speaker Pelosi you are outraged at these continuing secret SPP/NAU meetings and activities. Tell her:

    1. Congress has TOO LONG shirked its oversight duty to the American People!
    2. You want the SPP stopped!
    3. You want an immediate halt to funding for any SPP activities involving employees of the Departments of State, Commerce, and Homeland Security; and,
    4. You want immediate hearings on, SPP activities participated in by the Departments of State, Commerce, and Homeland Security.

    Contact House Majority Whip, Steny Hoyer.

    Contact House Minority Leader, John Boehner.

    Contact House Minority Whip, Roy Blunt.

    Contact your member of Congress.

    Call the Congressional switchboard at (202) 224-3121. A switchboard operator will connect you directly with the House office you request. Tell these Congressmen you are outraged at these continuing secret SPP/NAU meetings and activities. Tell them:

    1. Congress has TOO LONG shirked its oversight duty to the American People!
    2. You want the SPP stopped!
    3. You want an immediate halt to funding for any SPP activities involving employees of the Departments of State, Commerce, and Homeland Security; and,
    4. You want immediate hearings on, SPP activities participated in by the Departments of State, Commerce, and Homeland Security.

    Contact Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid at (202) 224-3542, or fax at (202) 224-7327. Tell Leader Reid you are outraged at these continuing secret SPP/NAU meetings and activities. Tell him:

    1. Congress has TOO LONG shirked its oversight duty to the American People!
    2. You want the SPP stopped!
    3. You want an immediate halt to funding for any SPP activities involving employees of the Departments of State, Commerce, and Homeland Security; and,
    4. You want immediate hearings on, SPP activities participated in by the Departments of State, Commerce, and Homeland Security.

    Contact Senate Assistant Majority Leader, Richard Durbin.

    Contact Senate Minority Leader, Mitch McConnell.

    Contact Senate Assistant Minority Leader, Jon Kyl. Tell these Senators you are outraged at these continuing secret SPP/NAU meetings and activities. Tell them:

    1. Congress has TOO LONG shirked its oversight duty to the American People!
    2. You want the SPP stopped!
    3. You want an immediate halt to funding for any SPP activities involving employees of the Departments of State, Commerce, and Homeland Security; and,
    4. You want immediate hearings on, SPP activities participated in by the Departments of State, Commerce, and Homeland Security.

    You will find a complete list of fax numbers and email addresses for House and Senate members here (http://www.conservativeusa.org/mega-cong.htm).

    Visit the American Policy Center website

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  8. OhNo! said on 28 Apr 2008 at 3:51 pm:
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    El Lobo said on 28 Apr 2008 at 2:27 pm:
    I just perused “anti-bvbl” blog. It is amazing, mind numbing how illegal alien apologists circumvent the key issues and problems with illegal immigration. Its an affliction of the mind that does not allow them to go beyond the “poor me syndrome”; all they see is racism and bigotry when in reality that describes who they are.

    How does racism and bigotry describe them?

    Your statement kinda made me chuckle cause it reminds me of the good ole schoold days on the playground when the big bad bully had nothing better to say…except ” I know you are but what am I”….Please explain..I’m just an occasional reader of both blogs and when I see a random statement out there, I gotta ask….

  9. El Lobo said on 28 Apr 2008 at 5:10 pm:
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    Please, OhNo!……you DO remember the good ole’ on the playground….”what you see in others……you MUST know the rest of the story! Random statement…..huh?

  10. El Lobo said on 28 Apr 2008 at 5:38 pm:
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    I contacted all of the PWC Supervisors’ offices….each staff person replied that the e-mail, telephone, and fax response is OVERWHELMINGLY in support of keeping the Resolution intact. However, it is very important to attend the meeting at 2:00 tomorrow to voice our support. Frank Principi….where are you? Mr. Principi has not responded to inquries from angry supporters who question his wanting to “alter” the Resolution.

  11. es_la_ley said on 28 Apr 2008 at 7:47 pm:
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    El Lobo said on 28 Apr 2008 at 2:27 pm:

    I just perused “anti-bvbl” blog. It is amazing, mind numbing how illegal alien apologists circumvent the key issues and problems with illegal immigration.

    It’s a fascinating read, if you can keep from retching. It’s more anti-Greg or anti-Corey than anything. Check out the comments there under the Holy Smoke title posted. It’s a hoot.

  12. Mike said on 29 Apr 2008 at 7:31 am:
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    Dr. Fuller’s publications are listed at http://policy.gmu.edu/faculty/fuller/pubs.html

    This would be an interesting analysis:

    1. How many of these publications appear in peer-reviewed journals? This is the gold standard for evaluating scientific research.

    2. How many of these publications are relevant to the issue of employment of illegal immigrants?

    3. How does Dr. Fuller define and operationalize the construct of “diversity?”

    4. How does Dr. Fuller demonstrate empirically any relationships between “diversity” and economic outcomes?

    5. Have these empirical investigations been repeated by others?

    Scientists contribute to the public good by providing science. Dr. Fuller is entitled to his own opinions but not his own facts. Unless grounded in scientific basis, Dr. Fuller’s arguments are opinions — the same thing that any of us can offer.

  13. OhNo! said on 29 Apr 2008 at 10:38 am:
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    Hey El Lobo-

    Is this the ole trick a roo..avoid a question but asking one?? LOL!
    so please:

    How does racism and bigotry describe them?

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